[00:33] <Atamira> where in nz?
[00:50] <codepal> Northland, Dargaville
[00:50] <codepal> small town with a big SeniorNet group
[00:51] <codepal> my mum is treasurer
[00:51] <codepal> & hi Atamira o/ - hope you and yours are well?
[00:53] <Atamira> afternoon codepal . all good this end thanks
[00:53] <Atamira> i know where dargaville is.
[00:53] <Atamira> im in auckland
[00:54] <Atamira> how you and yours are well too
[00:55] <codepal> excell, well - I'm wanting to do this fairly professionally - so I'll probably be taking some LIVE CD's  along....
[00:55] <codepal> I haven't really thought out the basics of it yet, but I'm keen to help people realise that the world isn't just Microsoft's.
[00:55] <codepal> or Google's for that matter...
[00:56] <Atamira> theres other other than google?
[00:56] <Atamira> oops
[00:56] <Atamira> theres something other than google*
[00:58] <ojwb> don't let them hear you ask that
[00:59] <Atamira> heh
[01:19] <codepal> are most of the people here members of NZ loco ?
[01:20] <lifeless> loco membership can be a bit vague :)
[01:20] <lifeless> I'm on the list, for instance.
[01:20] <ojwb> it's not the liveliest list
[01:20] <ojwb> or else I've fallen off
[01:21] <codepal> so, polling for response around the room - what do you think of the idea of trying to get SeniorNet's members interested in FOSS?
[01:21] <codepal> or Ubuntu in particular.
[01:21] <lifeless> whats a SeniorNet ?
[01:21] <ojwb> i don't know what seniornet is, but getting people interested is good
[01:22] <codepal> http://www.seniornet.co.nz/
[01:22] <codepal> it's a group where training on Microsoft's money sucking apps happens, mostly
[01:23] <codepal> for people aged 50+
[01:23]  * ojwb wonders how they'll find the ubuntu ui churn
[01:23] <Atamira> so long as it does what they want it to do
[01:23] <ojwb> microsoft's ui churn seems to baffle my and my partner's parents
[01:24] <codepal> What I'd love to see is for each SeniorNet area, a representative of Ubuntu offer training...
[01:24] <codepal> for a charge maybe / idk how that would work.
[01:24] <codepal> SeniorNet is pretty established in NZ - imo
[01:24] <codepal> so it's a good user base to hit with FOSS
[01:25] <ojwb> yeah, it seems a good idea
[01:25] <codepal> do I need to write up a blueprint?
[01:25] <ajmitch> though there'a not really any representative, except people who might be interested & know a bit about ubuntu
[01:25] <codepal> or what's the best next step?
[01:26] <ojwb> probably to find people local enough who are happy to do it
[01:26] <ojwb> the loco list is probably worth a try
[01:26] <ojwb> and/or local LUG is there is one
[01:26] <codepal> no, I expect that people would step up to the plate for ubuntu and ask to get a meeting with SeniorNet's local person in charge.
[01:27] <codepal> ojwb, you mean SeniorNet people / Ubuntu fans?
[01:27] <ojwb> the latter
[01:28] <codepal> well, mum's helping me in my area, so I've got a step in the door already
[01:28] <codepal> but it may be harder for other Ubuntu fans to approach the right SeniorNet people in their area
[01:28] <codepal> I might be able to help with that too though...
[01:28] <codepal> I'll talk to mum
[01:29] <ojwb> hmm, I see what you mean - might help if it's already happening somewhere
[01:29] <codepal> I guess I'll be developing the template of what to present to a SeniorNet meeting....
[01:30] <codepal> that's where I'd really like help with ideas
[01:31] <ojwb> Iafraid
[01:31] <ojwb> gah
[01:31] <ojwb> I'm afraid I really need to get on with something right now, but happy to talk later
[01:31] <mwhudson> a pox on courier companies whose 0800 number does not accept calls from mobiles
[19:29] <ajmitch> happy mailman day
[19:30] <ojwb> morning
[20:04] <mwhudson> morning
[20:23] <hads_> morning
[20:27] <hads> Huh. Just got a duplicate key on a DB column which is sha1(time() * random())
[20:27] <ojwb> step 2, profit!
[20:29] <kcj> No. Step 2, ???? Step 3, profit!
[20:29] <kcj> Also, morning.
[20:29] <ojwb> it's my new accelerated process
[20:30] <kcj> Only Warren Buffett knows step 2.
[20:40] <mwhudson> can random() return 0?
[20:44] <hads> I don't think so
[20:45] <hads> It appears it can.
[20:46] <hads> Good point.
[21:12]  * ojwb hands hads an xor
[21:13] <ojwb> or perhaps shift and or if you've got the width
[22:32] <lifeless> hads: time() * random() isn't terribly unique - str(time()) + '-' + str(random()) - that should fare better
[22:38] <hads> lifeless: Yes I've come to realise this. That's a much better idea.
[22:40] <hads> Thanks.
[22:41] <hads> Not sure how that one slipped through back in the day.
[22:46] <lifeless> 'brainfart' :P
[23:28] <mwhudson> makes me think of http://bugs.python.org/msg91073
[23:29] <mwhudson> i had more fun writing that bug report than any other i can think of :-)
[23:57] <lifeless> aieee
[23:57] <lifeless> and not landed yet
[23:57] <lifeless> wtf