[00:01] That gives me yet another error. http://pastebin.com/ycT5hjng [00:01] Seemingly /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process [00:03] Are there any commands that let me see which process is using that? [00:03] Or should I just restart === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [00:03] lsof | grep config.dat should let you know [00:12] Hurrah. sudo dpkg --configure -a, worked. [00:16] [Stuart Langridge] A year goes past - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2012/01/30/a-year-goes-past [00:22] sudo apt-get remove sun-java6-jre is now giving this error: http://pastebin.com/pjxp0vTE === gord is now known as Guest42604 [03:16] [Jono Bacon] Severed Fifth Release Party this Friday in San Francisco - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/01/31/severed-fifth-release-party-this-friday-in-san-francisco/ === alex__ is now known as NotoriousADD [07:24] this is just fantastic. I've been handed a spreadsheet where excel has 'solved' phone numbers. eg, if the numbered was originally +1234-567-8910, it's now "-8243" [08:03] morning all [08:12] Morning [08:16] morning all [08:21] Morning - chilli isn't it? [08:22] Morning all [08:23] Shock, Gasp, Horror! popey reveals he hasn't listened to a podcast for some months! [08:24] well, i listen to linux outlaws live [08:24] usually [08:24] and often listen to bbc comedy, but most others I haven't [08:24] i have no commute now [08:24] I haven't listened to one for more months than that... [08:25] R4 or Screaming wives/children seems to be about my lot [08:31] lol: http://www.quora.com/Engineering-Management/Why-are-software-development-task-estimations-regularly-off-by-a-factor-of-2-3 Flippant and a bit silly but some good stuff in the comments mind. [08:33] Morning [08:35] http://www.shopono.com/products/Zenithink-ZT280-C71-7-Inch-Android-2.3-512MB-DDR2-4GB-G%252dsensor-WIFI-Camera-Capacitive-Touch-Screen-Tablet-PC.html [08:35] ^^ the tablet that will also be available with KDE plasma [08:36] http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2012/01/reveal.html [08:37] 83 quid for a tablet, not bad [08:37] Seems to have gone up in price somewhat when kde is installed though. [08:37] €200 [08:38] yeah [08:39] I hope everyone who has to has submitted their tax return? Although apparently you have +2 days extra this year due to a possible strike by some hmrc dudes/ [08:40] yay, new toy arrived [08:40] http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/models/ [08:40] intensity pro [08:41] Morning all o/ [08:42] Morning selinuxium. popey I am still none the wiser really. What's it for exactly? [08:42] video capture card [08:45] Hi popey, how do you do the install whilst leaving your /home intact again? [08:46] popey: black magic stuff is nice. Got lots of that around the office :) [08:48] yeah, we have one in the office which was bought so we could record that Ubuntu TV demo video you see kicking around [08:48] that was a painful day! [08:49] heh :) Lots of professional edit houses uses black magic [08:52] although capture is going out of fashion really quickly [08:53] irksome bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zeitgeist/+bug/896445 [08:53] Ubuntu bug 896445 in zeitgeist (Ubuntu Precise) "fts.py crashed with DatabaseLockError in __init__(): Unable to get write lock on /home/ron/.local/share/zeitgeist/bb.fts.index: already locked" [High,Triaged] [08:53] * daubers ponders wether he should buy a voice recorder thing, or a video camera [08:55] czajkowski: they're all doing it wrong [08:55] czajkowski: they're all using sudo to start graphical apps and they should not be [08:55] they should be using gksudo [08:56] I'm not even doing sudo I just turn on my machine and its crashing:/ [08:58] its not that you're doing sudo now, but that you may have in the past [08:58] it's one of those things that people say "well it works for me!" and carry on doing, and then it bites them 6 months later.. like this [08:58] * popey leaves a comment on the bug [08:58] nods [08:58] ok [08:58] thanks [09:03] hmm something is running not using cpu much but making my fans spin like crazy === Guest42604 is now known as gord [09:12] woohoo/21 [09:12] bah! [09:18] got my good battery life back, put i915.i915_enable_rc6=1 in /etc/default/grub and turned off bluetooth :) [09:18] sweet [09:18] my thinkpad has shipped [09:18] can't wait [09:19] yay NEW TOY! [09:19] :D === weldon_gary is now known as iPish_Bhoy [09:22] averaging a little under ten watts idle :) makes gord happy [09:22] Morning all [09:28] Good morning all! :D [09:29] Morning! [09:30] Good morning peeps :) [09:43] /join #canonical [09:43] hmm [09:45] danhg_: hiya [09:46] Anyone familiar with wsgi at all? [09:49] Hi czajkowski - are you getting my PVT? Not sure what's working today, having issues with X-Chat... [09:49] danhg_: aye just saw [09:56] daubers: they make nice big videos ☺ [09:56] I now have a 5 minute video clip which is 20.9GB in size :D [09:57] popey: :) probably mpeg2? [09:59] Untitled 01.avi: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 1920 x 1080, ~24 fps, video:, audio: uncompressed PCM (stereo, 48000 Hz) [10:02] Hmm... ok [10:02] popey, uncompressed 1080p? [10:03] actually it seems you have no FourCC identifying the codec [10:03] or file can't handle whatever it is [10:04] yeah, will see what ffmpeg thinks it is [10:05] Stream #0.0: Video: rawvideo, uyvy422, 1920x1080, 24 tbr, 24 tbn, 24 tbc [10:05] Stream #0.1: Audio: pcm_s16le, 48000 Hz, 2 channels, s16, 1536 kb/s [10:06] golly they have properly gone and changed the ffmpeg command line now [10:06] it's avconv, not ffmpeg [10:06] sadface [10:11] 48khz stereo? that's not hd. i demand 192khz 7.1! [10:12] also, sadface. i got my mother an internet-capable blu-ray player for xmas, for iplayer 'n' stuff. but their dsl is too slow to use it [10:15] so. i have a javascript face detector that puts moustaches on faces. - i also have uds group photos. had to be done. http://www.easymustache.com/#http%3A%2F%2Fphotos.pixoulphotography.com%2FEvents%2FUDS-Precise%2Fi-TvBwpKk%2F1%2FXL%2F20111102-145457-UDSPrecise-XL.jpg [10:18] gord: genius [10:19] haha [10:20] i personally enjoy how mark just looks like that one time he didn't shave for a month [10:22] pitti looks cool [10:23] kenvandine looks cool, i think he should grow a moustache - suits him [10:23] czajkowski didn't get one [10:24] neither did the guy to the left of colin watson [10:24] pringles moustaches [10:24] or chalesK [10:24] or mr pontipine for those parents [10:28] http://paste.ubuntu.com/823664/ to reboot or not to reboot, that is the question [10:29] oh, actually I spot the problem, it was gord's fault [10:30] eh? [10:31] * popey wonders why AlanBell is upgrading and not dist-upgrading [10:31] oh I did dist-upgrade [10:31] just did that again to get the error message to paste [10:31] gord: I added /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: 35: /etc/default/grub: i915.i915_enable_rc6=1: not foun [10:31] AlanBell, oh no, you have to add it to the kernel cmdline [10:32] not just to the file [10:32] gord: got a magic fix for texture corruption on sandybridge? ☹ [10:32] you also have to have a sandybridge device iirc ;) [10:32] popey, turn that ^^^ off [10:32] graphics corruption + power savings or no power savings and no graphics corruption [10:32] gord: I have a core i3 with integrated graphics, never figured out if it was sandybridge [10:33] i dont have it on [10:33] yay, works now [10:34] ah, that is what works for me =\ [10:34] oh, you get reduced corruption from that line? [10:34] from switching that line off [10:34] with it on i get corruption [10:37] good morning everyone. [10:41] hello brobostigon [10:41] hello oimon [10:59] morning all [10:59] czajkowski: prod [11:05] UK list is a bit quiet these days [11:08] wasn't there just a big troll-fest last week on there? [11:08] that wasn't trolling [11:08] just a spirited debate over a pointless issue [11:09] somebody should draw a graph of the bottom/top posting cycle. would be interesting to see [11:09] 40 [11:09] fail [11:09] and also to predict the next phase [11:09] popey: I've seen quite a few lists turn a bit quiet recently [11:10] popey: I've also seen one get quite a bit more active [11:11] i don't subscribe to uk list, but occasionally browse the archives when i remember to [11:19] i've stopped liking mailing lists all together - too much anonymizing and opinion spouting. like writing on a bathroom wall [11:54] MartijnVdS: just a quick note to thank you, I managed to find two of the products from the shop yesterday, one new and one used, I took them both, thank you [11:54] MartijnVdS: made a big difference [12:08] what useful stuff does google earth add that isn't on the maps.google site? [12:11] hi folks [12:24] http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=A-vBbqamNBU#! cute Qt on rPi [12:28] Alreet all [12:29] nice [12:37] it's too cold to go out and get lunch :( [12:37] who's off to fosdem this weekend? [12:41] Oh, Belgium [12:49] awilkins: take that as a no? :) [12:49] Alas, no. As much as I like mayonnaise on french fries. [12:52] * awilkins is on leave for the week and needs to be occupied. [12:52] were you quoting zaphod b? [12:53] oimon, It was definitely something from Adams [12:53] * DJones directs the St Pauls protesters to occupy awilkins [12:54] there are protesters at st pauls? [12:54] The ones in Leeds have all gone [12:54] well it got cold again didn't it? [12:54] or they ran out of fags [12:55] haven't the police cleared the protestors out of St. Pauls yet? [12:55] Splitters [12:55] * popey puts evil nonfree ffmpeg^H libav in his ppa [12:56] nice [12:57] OK. Looking for recommendations (for a friend of mine) for a machine which looks pretty and runs Ubuntu well, with 15" screen and backlit keyboard, that isn't a macbook. [12:57] by police, i meant the emergency services, NOT sting and co. [12:58] aquarius: did you see HP are doing a macbook air clone? http://gizmodo.com/5874613/hps-ultrabook-is-made-out-of-glass [12:58] 14 inch though [12:58] I can just imagine them fleeing in droves "Noooo! Don't play 'Roxanne' again!" [12:58] aquarius: System76 laptop are supposed to be good, http://www.system76.com/laptops/ But I've never had one - yet ;) [12:58] oimon, I did; heard a couple of dudes talking about HP ultrabooks at ces. [12:58] ultrabooks have too-small screens for this guy, though [12:58] aquarius, Work just provided a humungous 17" Dell with a backlit keyboard [12:59] It's pretty - but also pretty heavy [12:59] I have my doubts about system76, especially since he wants to dual-boot with Windows [12:59] awilkins, ah, yeah, not too heavy, either. [12:59] awilkins: they could send a message in a bottle to the protestor's camp asking them to leave ;) [12:59] aquarius: thinkpad [13:00] popey, fails the "looks pretty" test, in his opinion. [13:00] (and mine, but you know that) [13:00] First machine I recommended was the x220 (you see how non-partisan I am!) [13:00] his opinion is that it "looks like an Amstrad" ;-) [13:00] lol [13:01] and my u300s, which is of course the nicest laptop that's ever existed ever, doesn't have a 15" screen. [13:01] he's not bothered about it being ultrabook-light, just not super-heavy [13:01] ok, other lenovos then [13:01] My biggest difficulty was finding a laptop with more than 768 vertical pixels that doesn't cost stupid money [13:01] G series [13:01] which are not thinkpad-ugly [13:02] what's your reason for recommending lenovo particularly? [13:03] http://www.ebuyer.com/288823-lenovo-ideapad-z570-laptop-m556uuk [13:03] i) They have historically cared about Linux compatibility ii) They have a reputation for being built like tanks [13:03] because I have had sony, toshiba, dell, compaq, hp, fujitsu.. [13:03] they all suck [13:04] what a festival of plastic death that laptop is ;) [13:05] OK. Sony are bad for Ubuntu and eye-bleedingly expensive (pretty, mark you). Tosh are just pony. Dells are OK, though? Compaq/HP... seem to be dying in the market. Fujitsu I have the impression are not good with Ubuntu. Do Samsung do full-size laptops? [13:05] Current machines ; HP G72 - slightly odd ACPI compatibility, not all the keys work, otherwise very nice [13:05] dell is least-worst of that list [13:05] aquarius: oi tosh are not ponies! [13:05] they are poorly constructed plastic crap [13:05] with a bios from 1982 [13:05] Compaq (aka HP) 6910p ; compatible, not unattractive [13:05] my mate is a Mac guy exploring the idea of moving to Ubuntu, so that gives you a sense of his preferred aesthetic. [13:05] sony then aquarius [13:06] czajkowski, counterpoint: yes they are [13:06] popey, sony have horrible, horrible Ubuntu support :( [13:06] I have one that fell apart in 8 months [13:06] aquarius: not all [13:06] o rly? [13:06] Dell high end workstation laptop (don't know model number) ; 17" Core i7 Quad, 8GB of RAM ; pretty ; but very heavy - compatible [13:06] some are all-intel inside [13:06] we stuck a USB stick in one at UDS in MTV [13:06] in SFO in the computer place remember? [13:06] Sony ; hate hate hate hate hate [13:06] can you name a pretty great-Ubuntu-support Sony machine? [13:07] Awful hardware, concentrate mostly on prettiness it seems [13:07] I could never get the sony keys to work under Ubuntu [13:07] VGN-Z540 [13:07] this machine bar a few tweeks at instal has worked superb on Precise [13:07] vaios are built terribly [13:07] oh, thats an old one [13:08] yeah, my vaio fell apart too ☹ [13:08] there's no such thing as a happy vaio owner, just sad vaio owners and soon-to-be-sad vaio owners [13:08] Out of all of the lines I've actually tried, I think HP have been the best, but I suspect that's because I never get my hands on Lenovos [13:08] I would avoid Fujitsu and Sony like the plague [13:08] * aquarius cackles. OK, no sonys then :) [13:08] so dell [13:08] So, we're looking at Dell or Lenovo, then? [13:08] the one that victorp has is cute [13:09] quite robust looking too, bit industrial like a thinkpad tho [13:09] czajkowski, toshibas are horrible plastic nightmares :) [13:09] Dell also own Alienware, which are not Mac pretty but can be Ricer Pretty [13:09] haha my mate is not gonna groove to the Alienware neon vibe, trust me :) [13:09] i liked my last dell [13:09] aquarius: lenovo, hp, samsung, asus, acer and dell [13:09] honestly, i did [13:09] I liked my last Dell, too [13:09] http://www.ebuyer.com/search?page=1&sort=relevancy&limit=10&filtercat=10&filterca140=15 [13:09] the dell i had before that as built like a tank too [13:09] what.. me .. cute? [13:09] only on weekends [13:10] aquarius: we can agree to disagree shall we [13:10] hm, asus and acer. Didn't think of them. Do they do full-size laptops with good Ubuntu support? [13:10] czajkowski, sounds a fair plan :) [13:10] usually i'd pick a high-end latitude above a thinkpad, given the option [13:10] victorp, what's your laptop, my man? [13:10] but with an office flooded with thinkpad docks and chargers... [13:10] latitude 2120 [13:10] http://www.ebuyer.com/339443-exdisplay-dell-15r-laptop-intel-core-i5-2410m-2-3ghz-4gb-ram-640gb-hdd-ebr1-5110-3663 [13:10] dell [13:10] bargain [13:10] aquarius: ignore czajkowski she disagrees with everyone [13:10] not a bad spec [13:10] but... not so sure on robustness, I step on it at last UDS and the screen shattered [13:10] well, she disagrees with *me* a lot, but that's half the fun :) [13:10] I like Asus desktop-PC hardware but have never tried their laptops [13:11] although I cant blame it [13:11] victorp, you *trod* on it?? [13:11] not sure anyone's laptop is robust against that test ;) [13:11] aquarius: samsung, acer and asus all do full laptops, I thought you had a lenovo U300 or am I dreaming? [13:11] aquarius, probably not [13:11] davmor2, I do [13:11] :) [13:12] aquarius, I must say replacing the screen was easy enough.. [13:12] popey, but dell also does a fully rugged version [13:13] dell website throwing error pags when I try and look at laptops. Useful, Dell. [13:13] aquarius: that ebuyer link above... [13:13] looked it up on the hardware db, looks good [13:14] all intel (bar wifi) inside [13:14] eww, 10/100 ethernet [13:14] eww wires [13:14] aquarius: Wifey had the ubuntu dell machine and has had no issues with it, I have a HP G62 and have had no issues with it after the kernel team enabled the wifi, and I just got an asus mobo in this box if it's build and speed is anything to go by asus lappy should be good [13:14] “People liked NASCAR because the constant crashes made it exciting, and this gave me an idea...” ~ Bill Gates on Microsoft Windows [13:14] wires are essential :) [13:14] dell website is completely spedged. Excellent, not. [13:15] aquarius: you might want to look at the what hardware works with Ubuntu webpage to help you decide though [13:15] ahayzen: from uncyclopedia .. not known for factual accuracy [13:15] aquarius, sorry I am late into the conversation but what are you trying to decide? [13:16] popey: It is funny though especially the one on Steve Ballmer [13:16] victorp, looking for recommendations (for a friend of mine, currently a Mac user) for a machine which looks pretty and runs Ubuntu well (and can dual-boot with Windows), with 15" screen and backlit keyboard, that isn't a macbook. [13:16] aquarius, for a friend of mine... yeah right :) [13:16] hah [13:17] victorp, I have the Lenovo U300s, which is the best laptop in the world. I'm not looking for another one :) [13:18] have you checked out the lenovo x1 [13:19] aquarius: http://www.asus.com/Notebooks/ [13:19] I love the sailor motif [13:20] arggh it is *so* cold outside! [13:21] got my laptop up to 9 hours battery :D [13:21] i need to go outside and do some DIY [13:21] http://www.asus.com/Notebooks/Special_Edition/ASUSAutomobili_Lamborghini_VX7/ [13:21] honestly.. ^^ [13:21] victorp, he thinks that Thinkpads look like an Amstrad :) [13:21] gord, Precise, one presumes? [13:21] well 9 hours if i don't touch it and have it running nothing [13:21] awilkins, yup [13:21] aquarius, well.. it is retro-cool :) [13:21] wow [13:21] Hah, that Lambo notebook ;smirk [13:22] thats properly the definition of fugly right there [13:22] aquarius, fader got this but I am not sure how well it runs http://www.amazon.com/Zenbook-UX21E-DH71-11-6-Inch-Ultrabook-Aluminum/dp/B005SY30I2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1323104089&sr=8-1 [13:22] I prefer the UX31 ; it has a 1600x900 display [13:22] But it looks very Mac-Pretty [13:22] victorp, yeah, they're nice, but he wants 15" screen which rules out al the ultrabooks. And my u300s is nicer than fader's ux31; we had a fight about that at ces ;) [13:23] hmm, why did I buy an x220 and not an x1? [13:23] i like thinkpad's but i wouldn't describe them as pretty. some people do :-\ [13:23] I hate chiclet keys [13:23] pretty in a way only a mummy could love [13:23] the x220 is fairly pretty until you open it [13:24] the bento box design is deliberate [13:24] aquarius, I hope he kicked your ass then [13:24] :) [13:24] My requirements for laptop : 1) Ubuntu compatible ('natch) ii) Not chiclet keys iii) Vertical resolution of 900 pixels or higher [13:24] "My wife is gorgeous until you look at her" [13:24] did someone really say that? [13:24] victorp, he tried. I had to eventually concede the marvellousness of his purple jacket :) [13:24] I just did [13:25] Did you get slapped for it, popey? ;) [13:25] aquarius, and why not a mac? I think support for them is getting better in Ubuntu [13:25] apw ^^ [13:25] victorp, two reasons, (1) popey, (2) he's currently a mac user, and wants to try Ubuntu, and "support is getting better" isn't there yet. [13:25] That T520 is probably very nice but doesn't meet the "pretty" requirement... [13:25] http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:item.detail?GroupID=37&Code=T520_DISCRETE¤t-category-id=96EBC6A8C8EC47A59E95B3D5E300F333&tab=2 [13:26] * oimon gets great deals on dell kit, shame i can't share them with you [13:26] aquarius, ah [13:26] why do all laptop manufacturers have such lame URLs? [13:27] * daubers wonders what happened to all the independant video games shops [13:27] victorp: i just got rid of my mac [13:27] except asus, it seems. nice one asus. [13:27] daubers: steam? [13:27] popey - well done! did it hurt? [13:27] they evaporated ho ho ho [13:27] desura [13:27] daubers, inability to compete with Game [13:27] :) [13:27] oimon: Steam is useless for my type of gaming :) [13:27] hah [13:27] directhex: I've been into 4 different Game/Gamestation stores yesterday, nont one had the game I was after [13:27] near me there's a CEX computer exchange [13:27] video game shops are basically pawn shops these days [13:28] don't bother with them [13:28] also, stone me, Asus make a lot of laptops [13:28] daubers, you don't matter, since you're not buying battlefield 3 used [13:28] kids play their games and sell them back to shop after 4 weeks [13:28] daubers, GAME only want to sell you used battlefield 3 and modern warfare 3 for £3 off new price [13:28] anyone else is an outlier and not worth accommodating with shelf space [13:28] directhex: It also annoys me that they unseal all the games before selling them and their refund policy states you can only return them sealed [13:29] really? [13:29] have you requested that they don't do that? [13:29] Yup. They're supposed to put these stickers on them to show they've been resealed, but largley they don't in a few shops [13:29] oimon: They do it to take the CD's out of the boxes that go on the shelves [13:29] they only do it with the fringe games [13:30] for the major games, they have dummy cases and a stack of sealed pristine games [13:30] they do it to annoy me :) [13:30] admittedly i haven't been in game for yonks, and only then to look at wii games [13:30] it's only the games they have 2 or 3 of where they empty the boxes out & use the real cases as dummies [13:31] hey, Asus, let me say "I want a 15" laptop" without going through every laptop and looking at the sizes, eh? [13:31] * ikonia is a dummy [13:31] agreed [13:32] * daubers gives up and orders some xbee's from an independant electronics stockist instead [13:32] i bought my laptop from http://www.dell.co.uk/outlet excellent deal [13:33] yeah, Dell's outlet is superb, I got a really cheap desktop from there a few years ago [13:34] i also managed to get mine fixed 1 day before the 3yr support ran out [13:34] I don't really patronise game shops anymore [13:34] I'll buy big titles at ASDA because they usually set a good price [13:34] But only if I want them while they are new [13:34] I need a new laptop but nothing excites me at all [13:34] i just use amazon or an online store in canada [13:35] for imports [13:35] I like GOG [13:35] I have a nasty feeling that I could basically eat all my time if I spent enough money there [13:35] gog ? [13:35] They have Baldur's Gate II [13:35] GOG is my favourite retailer of games i keep buying but never playing - because i am just buying games i already beat 10 years ago [13:35] I never completed it because my laptop got nicked with disk 2 in it [13:36] gog.com - they adjust games to work on recent operating systems, like Windows 7 [13:36] oh you should, it only gets better :) [13:36] But I think I must have spent over 80 hours just to get to disk 2 [13:36] dwatkins, they just run everything in dosbox ;) [13:36] So I shudder to think how much time it would consume if I bought it again [13:36] I suppose the loading delays would be much smaller :-) [13:36] I never played Planescape : Torment either [13:37] So there's another huge chunk of time waiting to be eaten [13:37] my laptop suffered a weird exploding pixel issue where i think the lcd leaked onto other surrounding http://ubuntuone.com/0bNET47RVWFkHBmPPoNsgE [13:38] ikonia, http://gog.com # Good Old Games [13:38] Oops, already answered [13:38] http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:BillGatesUbuntuLinuxPrpleeeee.png [13:38] too true^ [13:42] https://market.android.com/details?id=com.valvesoftware.android.steam.community << what does this do? seems like a chat client and advertising portal for steam games for now [13:43] oimon, correct. [13:43] oimon, steam chat, and store access [13:43] yep, or you can browse screenshots and buy games [13:45] "buy games"..pay money but download later on your pc [13:45] it seems like passwords and security got thrown out of the window with mobile devices. [13:46] it doesn't even seem possible to have user profiles on android tablets [13:46] so my missis and 2yr old have to use my setup? [13:46] I thought there was a guest mode for Android [13:46] oh, never seen that [13:47] tablets aren't multi-user, true [13:47] one per family member is the model! [13:48] and yet we keep on complying [13:49] everyone wants a tablet. general-use computers are for chumps [13:49] So : Phantom Menace in 3D .... MEEEEEH [13:49] jar jar binks in 3d \o/ [13:49] devices with replaceable batteries are for mugs too :D [13:49] Jar Jar Binks lifesize animatronic doll that pleads for it's life when you beat it up \o/ [13:50] awilkins, i'm not a fan of converted-to-3d-in-post films at the best of times [13:50] I am amazed it works at all [13:50] i guess they just draw outlines around the characters [13:50] paralax up in this bitch [13:51] did anyone watch the fan-sourced scene-for-scene copy of EP IV ? [13:51]