[00:00] <brousch> cord is freakish, isn't it
[00:01] <brousch> ew, yeah, george pooped in utero too
[00:01] <brousch> nasty mess
[00:02] <greg-g> check out the bottom image, the 7 cm example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umbilical_cord#Early_versus_delayed_clamping
[00:02] <greg-g> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Detached_Umbilical_Cord.jpg  <-- That's Rowan
[00:02] <greg-g> :)
[00:21] <brousch> fml
[00:21] <brousch> my dad is on unity and i need to walk him through something
[00:21] <brousch> over the phone
[00:25] <greg-g> hah
[00:26] <Blazeix> "ok, first install vnc"
[00:26] <jrwren> doesn't ubuntu one have built in desktop sharing?
[00:27] <Blazeix> I imagine the blocker is setting up the router to allow it
[00:27] <jrwren> ubuntuone should solve the nat traversal problem.
[00:27] <jrwren> if it doesn't, then fail!
[00:28] <jrwren> hell, even chrome has a desktop sharing extension
[00:33] <brousch> ah well, fixed one problem
[00:33] <brousch> now i need to figure out how to do desktop sharing or have him set the monitor resolution
[02:00] <snap-l> Tool on Delicious Agony
[03:19] <_stink_> hey, discovered today that the old 'wait 30 minute after a meal before doing something physical' is true
[03:19] <_stink_> in the form of my son
[03:19] <snap-l> cramps?
[03:19] <_stink_> who ran around like a lunatic after dinner then barfed on my wife.
[03:19] <snap-l> I think it's true for some people
[03:19] <_stink_> then it is for him and me.  i didn't barf today, though.
[03:19] <snap-l> I don't have a problem with it, outside of being sleepy for a bit afterward
[03:20] <_stink_> i mostly remember hearing that i shouldn't swim
[03:20] <_stink_> but i can barely swim anyway :P
[03:20] <snap-l> I think that's a wives tale
[03:21] <_stink_> damn my parents for fibbing to me.
[03:21] <brousch> snap-l++
[03:22] <brousch> _stink_.son.barf++
[03:22] <_stink_> hehehe
[03:22] <_stink_> she's gotten it 4 times now
[03:22] <_stink_> to my one
[03:22] <_stink_> i was winding him up too
[03:22] <_stink_> so i think i'm mostly to blame
[03:23] <brousch> very nice
[03:23] <brousch> before my son's birth i made a deal with my wife. she cleans all poops and i clean all pukes
[03:23] <brousch> he has never puked
[03:23] <_stink_> wowsers
[03:24] <_stink_> never?
[03:24] <_stink_> man
[03:24] <snap-l> brousch: Remind me to take you guys to Cedar Point
[03:24] <brousch> so, the deal fell through
[03:24] <_stink_> aw man
[03:24] <_stink_> and while i used to be queasy about barf, i scrub that stuff like a champ now
[03:24] <snap-l> One hour on the Tilt-A-Whirl after eating a bucket of carny-fries should do the trick
[03:24] <_stink_> snap-l: i will not go on any rides ever.
[03:25] <brousch> ever?
[03:25] <snap-l> _stink_: Wow, that's harsh
[03:25] <_stink_> last time i went to cedar point i bailed after one of the lightweight rides
[03:25] <_stink_> because i was all barfy
[03:25] <snap-l> motion sickness?
[03:25] <_stink_> yeah
[03:25] <brousch> snap-l: last time i came close to barfing was one of the simulators at Disney World
[03:25] <brousch> the fake movement hits me harder than real movement
[03:30] <snap-l> The only ones I don't like are the ones where I'm falling
[03:31] <snap-l> You can spin me right 'round (baby right 'round, like a record) and I'm fine.
[03:31] <_stink_> man i'm exact opposite
[03:31] <_stink_> i sometimes wonder about motion sickness.  it's kind of an interesting thing evolutionarily.
[03:31] <snap-l> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJv5qLsLYoo for the reference)
[03:32] <_stink_> like for the last 200000 years, there weren't Air Force pilot spin-o-rama machines.
[03:32] <_stink_> or vans to sit in the back of for a 6 hour car ride
[03:32] <_stink_> but now that we do that stuff...
[03:32] <_stink_> i barf.
[03:36] <snap-l> I think you mighthave some trouble with equilibrium
[03:37] <snap-l> "The most common hypothesis for the cause of motion sickness is that it functions as a defense mechanism against neurotoxins.[7] The area postrema in the brain is responsible for inducing vomiting when poisons are detected, and for resolving conflicts between vision and balance. When feeling motion but not seeing it (for example, in a ship with no windows), the inner ear transmits to the brain that
[03:37] <snap-l> it senses motion, but the eyes tell the brain that everything is still. As a result of the discordance, the brain will come to the conclusion that one of them is hallucinating and further conclude that the hallucination is due to poison ingestion. The brain responds by inducing vomiting, to clear the supposed toxin."
[03:37] <_stink_> haha, yeah, was just reading wikipedia too
[03:37] <snap-l> ;)
[03:41] <brousch> I started moving things off of Dreamhost today. It's not because of recent problems they've had, it's due to reading comments from users on the Dreamhost Status blog that I realized what kind of morons I am sharing a server with and it scares me
[03:41] <_stink_> hehe
[03:44] <snap-l> brousch: You're just realizing this?
[03:45] <brousch> i had naively assumed they were people like me
[03:47] <snap-l> Dreamhost has had that feeling of "I have this custom PHP script that has 15 ways to do a SQL Injection, and will take out a MySQL server because of the 20 cartesian products just to get a user record"
[03:50] <brousch> it actually has a really nice set of one click to 9install, they do maintenance php apps
[04:03] <brousch> what the ... snap-l do you make this comic? http://hijinksensue.com/2012/01/29/truemetalfacts/
[04:06] <brousch> now to bed, with that in my head
[04:06] <tjagoda> HOLY DIVER
[04:11] <snap-l> brousch: I wish
[04:30] <snap-l> I think I have created the most vile Club Metal yet.
[12:20] <snap-l> http://openmetalcast.com/2012/01/31/open-metalcast-special-interview-episode-on-wings-of-wax/
[12:31] <rick_h> awesome snap-l !
[12:44] <Wolfger> morning
[12:45] <snap-l> rick_h: Thanks. :)
[12:46] <snap-l> Hopefully will have an interview with Jono by the end of the week
[12:48] <brousch> for omc?
[12:48] <snap-l> Yep
[12:48] <brousch> or for a job at canonical?
[12:48] <snap-l> Pfft, Canonical. ;)
[12:48] <snap-l> Nobody gets hired in at Canonical. :)
[12:49] <snap-l> You'd have to be some sort of rockstar to even get in at canonical
[12:49] <brousch> greg-g is in SF. he could scrape some jono dna and mail it to you
[12:49] <snap-l> Um, yay?
[12:50] <brousch> then you can splice it with yours, become a rock star, and join canonical
[12:50] <brousch> duh
[12:50] <snap-l> silly me
[12:52] <snap-l> Yay, case is Out For Delivery
[13:43] <tjagoda> AVAST!
[13:43] <Wolfger> Yoho!
[13:43] <rick_h> is it friday yet?
[13:44] <Wolfger> yo-no!
[13:46] <rick_h> @$#@$#@
[13:46] <rick_h> crap, did I do perl again? sry
[13:48] <tjagoda> http://www.zdnet.com/photos/a-first-look-at-ubuntu-linuxs-head-up-display-gallery/6341176?tag=search-results-rivers;item9
[13:49] <tjagoda> Anybody see that?
[13:50] <tjagoda> Hm.
[13:50] <tjagoda> I might actually like that.
[13:51] <rick_h> yea, we'll see how it goes
[13:53] <tjagoda> I just wonder if I'll get tired of all the confused typing to figure out what I want
[13:54] <tjagoda> Like
[13:54] <tjagoda> wtf do I type when I want to go to double spacing?
[13:54] <tjagoda> =P
[13:57] <tjagoda> http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2012/01/testing-hud-heads-up-display.html
[13:57] <tjagoda> If anybody's feeling Hudventurous
[14:22] <Wolfger> rick_h: never apologize for doing perl. Perl is awesome.
[14:23] <rick_h> Wolfger: ummm...yea...riiight
[14:25] <tjagoda> Perl is awesome like chainsaws are awesome
[14:26] <rick_h> "you only ever need to fire it up that one time a year"?
[14:26] <tjagoda> And it feels really badass until it cuts off your leg
[14:27] <Wolfger> Perl is awesome like a Swiss Army Chainsaw is awesome.
[14:28] <Wolfger> when you need something done fast, and don't care how it looks, let'er rip
[14:29] <tjagoda> And hope that you have great insurance benefits
[14:29] <tjagoda> For when you need to have all your fingers reattached
[14:29] <tjagoda> Hm
[14:29] <tjagoda> Does Canonical provide insurance benefits, rick_h?
[14:30] <tjagoda> It just occurred to me how frighteningly complex that must be when your employees are everywhere
[14:31] <rick_h> tjagoda: yea
[14:32] <tjagoda> I am intimidated by the HR person who figured out what benefits package of purchase in Tasmania.
[14:32] <tjagoda> to purchase*
[14:33] <rick_h> heh, well not sure how it works there
[14:33] <Raggs> tjagoda, the question is what about people who have nationalized health plans, how does Canonical handle that?
[14:33] <rick_h> the US has a business office/company in out of Mass.
[14:34] <tjagoda> Apparently its spelled Tasmania
[14:34] <tjagoda> I apologize to all the Tasmanians who read our IRC logs and became offended.
[14:34] <rick_h> heh, we've got a Tasmanian on LP
[14:35] <rick_h> several from Australia actually
[14:36] <tjagoda> Matt had mentioned that yesterday, Tasmania specifically
[14:37] <rick_h> ah, gotcha
[14:52] <PainBank> tjagoda: what were you applying for at cananoical?
[14:52] <tjagoda> Support on the Launchpad team
[15:00] <PainBank> ah, cool.
[16:04] <snap-l> Just went through orientation
[16:06] <brousch> are you more less orriented now?
[16:06] <brousch> oriental?
[16:06] <rick_h> snap-l: completed?
[16:06] <rick_h> snap-l: or just finally getting to the formal class bits?
[16:19] <snap-l> rick_h: The formalities
[16:19] <snap-l> Reading through the new staff manual
[16:19] <rick_h> snap-l: gotcha, fun stuff
[16:19] <snap-l> Oh yeah
[16:20] <snap-l> I guess tomorrow is the dog-and-pony show
[16:20] <brousch> which will you ride?
[16:20] <rick_h> dog and pony show?
[16:23] <snap-l> rick_h: Each of the managers showing what they do
[16:23] <rick_h> snap-l: ah, gotcha
[16:24] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_and_pony_show
[16:27] <tjagoda> snap-l starting a new job?
[16:28] <snap-l> tjagoda: Same one I've been starting, yes. :)
[16:29] <tjagoda> tjagoda is clearly not up to speed on current channel events
[16:35] <tjagoda> http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/421951_10150638859566214_127828101213_11214458_880237923_n.jpg
[16:35] <tjagoda> That awkward moment when you realize there is a valid reason for the Middle East hating us
[16:37] <snap-l> tjagoda: Yeah, we're not exactly the most friendly people
[16:38] <jason_> rick_h, you're not supposed to continue to participate in the community once you are hired
[16:38] <jason_> sorry
[16:38] <jason_> company policy
[16:38] <snap-l> jason_: Shouldn't you be fixing something? :)
[16:38] <jason_> snap-l, I am
[16:38] <jason_> right now
[16:38] <_stink_> i wonder if that number includes all violent civilian deaths in Iraq since we invaded.
[16:38] <snap-l> focus follows mouse. #1 priority
[16:38] <_stink_> e.g., sectarian violence.
[16:38] <jason_> heeeellllll no
[16:39] <jason_> snap-l, I would rather kill myself than try to fight that battle again
[16:39] <snap-l> jason_: I'll help if it doesn't get fixed. ;)
[16:40] <tjagoda> And then Unity exploded
[16:41] <rick_h> jason_: I'm only here to distract and cause confusion
[16:41] <rick_h> and make sure they all know that all problems are from jason_
[16:42] <tjagoda> I dont know who jason_ is, but I assume he's the reason Unity hardlocks my PC.
[16:42] <rick_h> tjagoda: exactly!
[16:42] <jason_> tjagoda, hardware?
[16:42] <rick_h> me job here is done
[16:42] <tjagoda> System76
[16:42] <tjagoda> Laptop
[16:42] <tjagoda> The 13.3 inch model which literally has the Ubuntu logo branded on its lid
[16:43] <jason_> hardware?
[16:43] <tjagoda> lulz
[16:43] <tjagoda> I would have to try and find it on the s76 wiki
[16:43] <jason_> tjagoda, I learned one thing from that infographic of yours
[16:43] <jason_> we killed the shit out of Iraq
[16:43] <tjagoda> Oh god
[16:43] <tjagoda> Thats now logged forever =P
[16:43] <snap-l> It's not like it isn't a matter of public record
[16:44] <tjagoda> And we probably just moved up like six rankings on the terrorist hit list
[16:44] <snap-l> Oh, so we're 6 levels up from #1?
[16:44] <snap-l> Goodto know. ;)
[16:44] <jason_> nor is it like thats anything new in the history of western people... we tend to kill all sorts of people
[16:44] <tjagoda> Especially Indians.
[16:44] <jason_> we love killing indians
[16:45] <snap-l> Go with what you know.
[16:45] <jason_> never in the history of the world have a people been so effectively killed
[16:45]  * snap-l lines up for his CoC slap and handbasket to hell
[16:45] <tjagoda> Nazi's? =(
[16:45] <jason_> nope
[16:45] <snap-l> Goodwin, here we come
[16:45] <jason_> not even close
[16:45] <tjagoda> rofl.
[16:45] <jason_> think about it this way
[16:45] <tjagoda> Surly the Nazi's must be winning in numbers though
[16:45] <jason_> hell no
[16:45] <tjagoda> TO GOOGLE!
[16:46] <jason_> when we found the mayans
[16:46] <jason_> they had the largest city
[16:46] <jason_> in the world
[16:46] <jason_> how many are left?
[16:46] <jason_> 0
[16:46] <jason_> none
[16:46] <jason_> we killed the SHIT out of them
[16:46] <snap-l> But at least we have their calendar.
[16:46] <tjagoda> Oh, I was only counting USA-killed indians
[16:46] <jason_> but thats not fair
[16:46] <jason_> most of them were in central america
[16:47] <brousch> there are many mayans left
[16:47] <brousch> they just don't live in the ruins
[16:47] <tjagoda> THEN WHY DON'T THEY EXPLAIN THEIR CALENDAR?!
[16:47] <snap-l> brousch:  IF you make a joke about Maya renderfarms, I'll hurt you. :)
[16:47] <snap-l> tjagoda: They did
[16:47] <tjagoda> Oh.
[16:47] <tjagoda> Well
[16:47] <snap-l> tjagoda: They say that it repeats
[16:47] <tjagoda> Kudos to them
[16:48] <snap-l> but of course that doesn't get communicated
[16:48] <brousch> too boring
[16:48] <jason_> brousch, sorry I meant to imply that their entire civilization and way of life was completely destroyed
[16:48] <snap-l> Funnily enough, you can't believe everything you see on Ancient Aliens.
[16:48] <jjesse> snap-l,  really?  i'm so disappointed now
[16:48] <tjagoda> Canonical's never gonna hire me now that jason_ has associated me with mass native genocide =P
[16:49] <snap-l> jjesse: Hope you have some stiff drinks handy, because I'll disabuse a few notions for you. :)
[16:49] <jjesse> hahaha i'm not current on the show, i keep on forgetting to watch
[16:50] <tjagoda> Ugh
[16:50] <snap-l> jjesse: We watched it on Netflix
[16:50] <tjagoda> an iPhone just crossed my desk
[16:50] <snap-l> it's a textbook case of logical fallacy.
[16:50] <tjagoda> Considering taking it out of the box, throwing it out, and inserting a blackberry torch in its place.
[16:51] <snap-l> tjagoda: Actually, you have some reason to do that for corporate usage
[16:51] <snap-l> since it doesn't have the security.
[16:51] <jason_> tjagoda, we hire all sorts of weird people
[16:51] <jason_> Im sure you're not too weird
[16:51] <jason_> want my job?
[16:52] <tjagoda> I'm applying for Launchpad Support
[16:52] <jason_> tjagoda, sure you dont want my job instead?
[16:52] <rick_h> jason_: you're chained where you are
[16:52] <rick_h> don't you have some tv bugs to fix? :P
[16:52] <jason_> TV?
[16:52] <tjagoda> snap-l: My building is full of blackberries, the sales office is full of iPhone4S's because blackberries conspicuously started falling in toilets after the first iPhone got in the door
[16:52] <rick_h> jason_: yea, unity everywhere
[16:53] <tjagoda> "HOW DID IT FALL IN THE TOILET.  YOU DONT EVEN HAVE SHIRT POCKETS!"
[16:55] <tjagoda> If I get the Launchpad support job I imagine I will be lost and confused for the first month, drifting off balance in  a job which does not require me to constantly carry a leatherman
[17:00] <snap-l> tjagoda: You can still carry one
[17:00] <snap-l> tjagoda: Pretty sure they don't have a "no leatherman" policy (though I do believe there's a no-assless-chaps policy)
[17:00] <snap-l> That's pretty much standard corporate fare.
[17:02] <snap-l> (and for those of you who just pictured tjagoda in chaps, you're welcome)
[17:03] <brousch> luckily i have not met him, so i was able to mentally substitute beyonce in leather chaps
[17:06] <tjagoda> I am neither female nor black, your mental substitution is flawed!
[17:06] <tjagoda> Excited after yesterday's interview though
[17:07] <tjagoda> Felt that my responses matched what he was looking for, which is good because I didn't intentionally set out to deliver a what-you-want-to-hear spiel
[17:08] <tjagoda> Also, Brousch, a whole new set of lego characters for you to $$$ on
[17:08] <tjagoda> http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/429477_10150528790653403_6665038402_9091598_989518281_n.jpg
[17:08] <brousch> oh great. now i can't let my son watch the movies
[17:09] <tjagoda> Also
[17:09] <tjagoda> CCP World Headquarters is an epic building
[17:09] <tjagoda> http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/419861_10150559051499394_17614129393_8560906_614269394_n.jpg
[17:09] <tjagoda> CCP = Makers of EVE Online
[17:10] <snap-l> Also holders of the White Wolf IP
[17:10] <tjagoda> Or perhaps thats just their conference center
[17:10] <tjagoda> I am unsure now
[17:11] <tjagoda> snap-l: The who?
[17:11] <tjagoda> Nevermind
[17:11] <tjagoda> Google told me
[17:13] <tjagoda> "Mitt Romney is expected to win the Florida primary, despite Newt Gingrich literally promising Florida voters the Moon. Romney has been campaigning in Florida with Sen. John McCain, who beat him for the 2008 Republican nomination. Ron Paul, who didn't campaign in Florida at all, is coming in behind the two frontrunners, followed by Rick Santorum."
[17:14] <snap-l> tjagoda: Did you Google Santorum? :)
[17:15] <tjagoda> I heard about that
[17:18] <snap-l> http://us.asmodee.com/ressources/articles/making-a-game-from-prototype-to-project.php
[17:20] <tjagoda> Man, the internet has a serious bromance with Ron Paul
[17:20] <PainBank> not MY internet!
[17:21] <tjagoda> But he's so fun an quirky
[17:21] <tjagoda> Its like electing your funny Uncle to be President
[17:21] <snap-l> That's because we're all a bunch of hippies
[17:21] <tjagoda> I cannot imagine a world in which all American military units are actually within the borders of America
[17:21] <tjagoda> What kind of crazy logic is that?
[17:22] <snap-l> found it humorous that the "hydroponics gardening" shop near MH Caribou has a BIG picture of Ron Paul on their door.
[17:22] <PainBank> pre-WW2
[17:22] <PainBank> and something I agree with to some degree.
[17:22] <tjagoda> I would love to see us remove deployments from the WW2 holdovers
[17:22] <snap-l> PainBank: I think that's the problem with Ron Paul
[17:22] <snap-l> On the surface, he makes sense
[17:22] <tjagoda> Like the bazillions of troops in germany
[17:23] <PainBank> that is why I said some degree.
[17:23] <PainBank> germany... japan... keeping some local like that make sense...
[17:23] <snap-l> unfortunately, #1: He's not Congress, and #2: He's a bit draconian in his policies.
[17:23] <PainBank> but just cause we have troops everywhere doesn't mean we have to use them...
[17:23] <PainBank> yup
[17:23] <PainBank> snap-l: agree
[17:24] <tjagoda> I like the total withdrawal.
[17:24] <tjagoda> And I mean
[17:24] <tjagoda> We can get anywhere in the globe in a matter of minutes with our superfast missiles
[17:24] <snap-l> What's humrous too is how much authority the president really has
[17:24] <tjagoda> Is it really necessary to have a bunch of marines staring at China from Asia?
[17:24] <snap-l> i.e.: not much
[17:24] <snap-l> tjagoda: Frankly, China scares me
[17:25] <snap-l> They're the folks who have the where-with-all to actually make good on threats.
[17:25] <tjagoda> China's foreign policy is very much one of "ignore the rest of the world because we're already mega huge"
[17:25] <snap-l> if China did trade sanctions, we'd have to re-learn how to make the lube to screw ourselves
[17:26] <PainBank> snap-l: china doesn't scare me!  haven't you seen Red Dawn 2 yet?
[17:26] <tjagoda> I am not entirely opposed to the results of China trade sanctions. =(
[17:26] <PainBank> snap-l: lol
[17:26] <PainBank> nice
[17:26] <PainBank> so true
[17:26] <snap-l> PainBank: Dude, this is the place that screws with their own currency on a regular basis
[17:26] <PainBank> I know, I know... just messing with you.
[17:27] <PainBank> I have a lot of concerns about them as well, but their communism isn't the same as the soviets... actually, it may be worse if that is possible.
[17:27] <tjagoda> Commcapitalism
[17:27] <tjagoda> Commucapitalism*
[17:27] <snap-l> Yeah, at least Soviet-era communism wasn't sustainable
[17:28] <snap-l> (at least we know that now)
[17:28] <tjagoda> Does China even really get to be called Communist anymoer?
[17:28] <tjagoda> more*
[17:28] <snap-l> yes
[17:28] <PainBank> ah, yup
[17:28] <tjagoda> Are they not just really totalitarian Capitalists in the making? =(
[17:29] <PainBank> they are, but their path to get there is through capitalism... unfortunately...
[17:29] <PainBank> but we like our goods cheap here.
[17:30] <PainBank> china is like the robot ship on Wall-E.... slowly taking us over... while we sit fat and happy....
[17:32] <tjagoda> PainBank obviously wants us to invade China
[17:34] <snap-l> Wolfger: http://www.maxhire.net/cp/?E4596C721443515B7E571B217756186B026277405601
[17:40] <PainBank> ROCK ON!!!!
[17:40] <PainBank> or... perhaps...
[17:40] <PainBank> just impose IRAN style trade sanctions and start making everything here again... at least until it can be made by some other BIG country a bit more friendly, like, oh say India...
[17:42] <PainBank> snap-l: nice.
[17:42] <PainBank> so if I apply for a postion for HTML5 app dev and tell them I have done HTML5 since 1997, would that be a lie?
[17:43] <PainBank> haha
[17:44] <snap-l> ;)
[17:44] <snap-l> I've been wanting HTML5 since 1997
[17:45] <PainBank> hehe
[17:50] <tjagoda> PainBank: Or Brazil?
[17:51] <PainBank> I would prefer Brazil....
[17:52] <PainBank> have ya seen the hotties from there!  whoooohooooo
[17:55] <PainBank> anyone ever try out a 3G repeater or amplifier for a cell phone?  I miss my high data rates when up north.
[18:00] <PainBank> . If you don't read the internet you are uninformed, if you do read the internet you are misinformed.
[18:00] <PainBank> adaption of a quote.
[18:29] <Wolfger> snap-l: Yes, we have their (Mayan) calendar, but it's clearly worthless. They said the world would end in 2012, but it ended much, much sooner than that (for them)
[18:30] <PainBank> Wolfger: noooo, they just left eaarth
[18:31] <Wolfger> tjagoda: I worship CCP
[18:32] <Wolfger> PainBank: Red Dawn 2 came out? I've been waiting for it ever since I saw the set in Mount Clemens
[18:32] <PainBank> no... haha
[18:32] <jrwren> zomg, I didn't know it was THIS bad. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.dwg
[18:32] <PainBank> but I am waiting for it too... of course it won't live up to the 1st... but I will take what I can get for suvival stories
[18:33] <PainBank> "DWG" redirects here. For the cereal byproduct of the distillation process, see Distillers wet grains.
[18:38] <brousch> jrwren: what do you mean?
[18:39] <PainBank> haha, that was at the top of the link
[18:55] <jrwren> dealing with cad files... I didn't know DWG was a TM IP disaster.
[18:55] <snap-l> If it involves Autodesk in any way, consider it a disaster.
[18:55] <brousch> oh yeah, it is one of my pet peeves
[18:56] <brousch> you have to pay into some shady org to use libs to read the files
[18:56] <snap-l> Autodesk is one of the companies that I truly despise, next to Oracle
[18:56] <brousch> autodesk changes the dwg standard every 3 years to shake out anyone who has reverse-engineered it
[18:56] <jrwren> and they sue over plain text in the file!!!
[18:57] <jrwren> because that plain text is their TM!
[18:57] <jrwren> my jaw dropped.
[18:57] <jrwren> IP in this world needs great revisions.
[18:57] <snap-l> jrwren: Yep, they're Grade A, FDA approved assholes
[18:57] <brousch> they give you a free viewer to download, but it is the most monstrously bloated piece of software ever
[18:57] <jrwren> if the FDA approved it, ya know it ain't good :p
[18:57] <snap-l> Other companies are ground chuck to their Kobe Beef of asshollery.
[18:58] <brousch> i have to run a windows VM just to run their win3.1-looking license manager
[18:59] <snap-l> http://magnatune.com/artists/ion <- Sounds a lot like Red Shift
[19:00] <jrwren> music, or Red Shift the physics description of light behaving like doppler effect in sound?'
[19:00] <snap-l> Red Shift the ambient band
[19:01] <jrwren> ever listen to Delien? the song Red Pod :)
[19:01] <snap-l> http://www.redshift.biz/
[19:02] <snap-l> Not ringing a bell
[19:02] <snap-l> http://www.downloadplatform.com/directory.php?artist=81&title=Redshift
[19:03] <snap-l> Love the album Down time
[19:25] <rick_h> I declare it beer time
[19:25] <rick_h> that is all...
[19:26] <brousch> good. bring me 2
[19:26] <rick_h> http://davenicolette.wordpress.com/2012/01/31/well-actually/
[19:29] <brousch> ug, tedious article
[20:50] <snap-l> Yay, case arrived.
[20:50] <snap-l> Left At:
[20:50] <snap-l> Met Customer Woman
[20:55] <tjagoda> Whoot
[20:55] <tjagoda> New monitor shipped
[20:56] <brousch> ooooh, customer woman
[23:26] <Blazeix> android humble bundle: http://www.humblebundle.com/?android
[23:36] <snap-l> Yeah, that's awesome.