[00:05] <len_> Todays iso is a bust. Networking still broken, Install broken.
[00:06] <len_> Ubiquity says the install is finished and when I reboot i get no os list. just binkin' cursor.
[00:08] <len_> None of the install logs seem to have been written to the drive either, so I can't find out what happened. I guess I will have to try again and copy the logs from memory to a disk.
[00:09] <len_> Something is failing with the install/updating of grub.
[01:08] <ScottL> len_, cjwatson says that tomorrow's image should be better, but there is still an issue of the pre-seed happening after the install which is a ubiquity bug
[01:10] <len_> Do I still file the bug report? The networking bug is a big one. No wireless connect.
[01:10] <len_> Sorry, ScottL ^^
[02:07] <len_> ScottL: filed Bug #924064 on install fail.
[02:38] <ScottL> len_, sorry, i was getting daughter to clean room and cleaning dishes, i think astraljava already filed a bug for the ubiquity crash
[02:49] <micahg> ScottL: sorry, I accidentally uploaded ubuntustudio-default-settings as me instead of you
[02:49] <len_> Scottl: I think his is slightly different...
[02:50] <len_> When I filed mine it didn't pull up any list of close bugs
[02:50] <ScottL> micahg, i'm not worried about it, i'm just worried about getting the packages upload :)
[02:51] <len_> It seems to be saying the packages are not there, but when I look at the iso  find them
[02:52] <ScottL> this is astraljava's bug:  bug 923830
[02:52] <ScottL> len_, can you check if they are duplicates, if so mark one of them as duplicate?
[02:53] <len_> it seems to me his is only if he clicked on the upgrade ubiquity link.
[02:53] <ScottL> oh, okay :)
[02:53] <ScottL> thank you, though :)
[03:42] <len_> ScottL: Looked at both bug reports side by and they are two different versions of ubiquity and the contents of the installer debug file are different too.
[15:31] <scott-work> TheMuso: any progress on checking the kernel?
[15:31]  * scott-work is starting to get nervous about this :/
[15:37] <astraljava> Hmm... yeah, A-2 on Thursday already.
[15:38] <falktx> astraljava: hey
[15:40] <astraljava> falktx: Howdy!
[15:41] <knome> hmm. anyone willing to work on the ubuntu studio installer slideshow?? :)
[15:41] <knome> holstein?
[15:42] <holstein> knome: yup
[15:42]  * astraljava whistles innocently while walking away
[15:42] <holstein> knome: what do you need from me?
[15:42] <holstein> im preparing for a rehersal right now, but im going to be done in 30 minuts or so, and i'll have some time :)
[15:43] <knome> holstein, can you list things that you want in the slideshow?
[15:43] <falktx> astraljava: do you know what to do for the ubiquity plugin? I'm completely in the dark...
[15:44] <holstein> knome: tbh, id be fine with one static image
[15:44] <holstein> or the slides from your WP thing
[15:45] <holstein> was that your WP thing?
[15:45] <astraljava> falktx: Not really, I never did find the time when I was supposed to, and then set it aside when Scott told you started working on it. But I can have a look.
[15:45] <knome> holstein, yyp.
[15:45] <knome> holstein, okay, i'll copy those.
[15:45] <knome> holstein, can you at some stage check the content?
[15:45] <holstein> knome: i like those, and i think that would give us a consistent look
[15:45] <holstein> otherwise, i could try and fake what our theme will be, and get some appropriate screenies
[15:46] <falktx> astraljava: I feel kinda stupid... it probably is easy, I just don't see it
[15:46] <knome> holstein, i'll have to see how to incorporate the background images to the slideshow. the space is more limited there
[15:46] <astraljava> falktx: Heh, yeah. I get that at work a lot. :) No worries, we can figure it out. :)
[15:46] <knome> holstein, so actually, shots might be better
[15:47] <holstein> knome: i could try and chew on that over the next few weeks
[15:47] <holstein> ask scott-work what our theme will be like
[15:47] <knome> right...
[15:47] <holstein> and go from there
[15:47] <falktx> astraljava: thanks! Currently I feel like if I keep trying I'll only get more frustated
[15:47] <holstein> knome: whats our timeframe?
[15:47] <astraljava> falktx: I know the feeling. :)
[15:47] <knome> holstein, deadline is UIfreeze @ Feb 23
[15:48] <holstein> knome: thats doable
[15:48] <holstein> knome: let me get back with you maybe early next week
[15:48] <holstein> see how far ive come
[15:48] <knome> ok, thanks
[15:49] <astraljava> falktx: I got a feeling that we should first concentrate on the ubiquity/plugins/ stuff. We can use examples from edubuntu on that one, and I'm looking at them right now.
[15:50] <knome> astraljava, can you keep xubuntu in your mind too? :)
[15:51] <falktx> astraljava: many thanks man, you deserve a medal!
[15:51] <astraljava> knome: Let me practice with ours, first, and then I can do it for Xubuntu. Can you make some sort of a task of it for me? Do you have any trackers for such?
[15:51] <knome> astraljava, sure, just a sec. what's your lp username?
[15:51] <falktx> better, an ubuntu trophy!
[15:51] <astraljava> falktx: Nah... I'm only just getting into this stuff. I have been away from the dev stuff for way too long. Taking the final steps now. :)
[15:51] <astraljava> knome: same as nick.
[15:52] <knome> astraljava, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-xubuntu-ubiquity-application-sets
[15:55] <astraljava> knome: Excellent, thanks!
[16:24] <holstein> knome: question... size? format?... can i give them to you ready to drop in with text on them?
[16:25] <holstein> if i wanted to get one of the current slides... where would that be?
[16:25] <holstein> i could just copy that
[16:25] <holstein> as far as style, etc...
[16:25] <knome> 440x370 if we use the same as in xubuntu slides
[16:25] <knome> just provide me with the shots + text
[16:25] <knome> i'll handle the rest
[16:26] <knome> if you want to "cut" windows from the right+bottom edges, then use 450x410
[16:26] <knome> let me post you some examples
[16:27] <holstein> so, just give you an image, and what text i want, and you'll do the overlay? or you want me to go ahead and add the text?
[16:28] <knome> just a sec
[16:31] <knome> holstein, see: http://temp.knome.fi/ubuntustudio/slideshow/
[16:32] <knome> holstein, look at abiword_slide.png first
[16:32] <knome> holstein, i need the title + text + shot
[16:32] <knome> holstein, (menu "paths" are included in "text", if you want those)
[16:33] <holstein> hmmmm
[16:33] <knome> holstein, if you want a shot like abiword, which is cut from right+left, it should be 450x410
[16:33] <holstein> just when you think something is going to be easy ;)
[16:33] <knome> holstein, if like "desktop_slide.png", gimme 440x370
[16:34] <knome> holstein, do you want me to clarify something?
[16:35] <holstein> knome: so, im going to give you want i want for a title, and what text i want, and a screenie
[16:35] <holstein> and you put it all together?
[16:35] <knome> yes
[16:35] <holstein> OK
[16:35] <holstein> now its back to something i can do... 
[16:35] <knome> ;)
[16:36] <knome> i'll naturally tweak the background image and stuff to fit ubuntu studio a bit better
[16:36] <knome> don't worry about that
[16:36] <holstein> when i saw those buttons i said "dammit"
[16:36] <knome> heh ;)
[16:36] <knome> well, the slideshow jquery handles most of that
[16:40] <holstein> scott-work: ping
[16:44] <scott-work> holstein: pong
[16:44] <scott-work> holstein: the theme should look exceptionally like xubuntu's now
[16:44] <scott-work> perhaps tomorrow's image, maybe today's image
[16:45] <scott-work> holstein: you can read the guidelines linked in the roadmap wiki page (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Roadmap) for specs on the ubiquity images/text
[16:47] <holstein> scott-work: so.. our theme
[16:47] <holstein> whats the plan?
[16:47] <holstein> i want to kind of fake that for some screenshots
[16:48] <holstein> i dont think its as big of a deal just getting windows images
[16:48] <scott-work> holstein: the -default-settings, -icon-theme, and -look packages that micahg helped me upload set the theme
[16:49] <scott-work> holstein: they should be in today's image possibly, but most certainly in tomorrow's image
[16:49] <knome> scott-work, right, i didn't catch you had a draft for the slideshow too ;) we can use any other layout too, but i think 1 shot per slide is quite maximum, taking into account that the slideshow window should fit in the resolution...
[16:49] <micahg> scott-work: I hope everything is working right ;)
[16:49] <knome> if not, you can just try the xubuntu image ;)
[16:49] <holstein> scott-work: cool :)
[16:50] <astraljava> knome: Are you suggesting us joining forces and projects? :D
[16:50] <knome> lol, no.
[16:50] <knome> i'm just trying to steal all the possible workforce from US.
[16:50] <astraljava> That's fine. We're leeching at full speed from you guys, too.
[16:51] <knome> yeah ;)
[16:51] <charlie-tca> milestone testing for alpha2 today and tomorrow. Is anyone able to run the US images?
[16:51] <astraljava> knome: Well, actually, if I do this ubiquity thing for Xubuntu, then I'm practically one of 'you', right? :D
[16:52] <astraljava> charlie-tca: I will, for sure.
[16:52] <knome> astraljava, sure! ;)
[16:52] <charlie-tca> great! I will run what I can, but it is going to be a time battle here
[16:53] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Absolutely. Don't worry about us/US, you got your hands full with Xubuntu.
[16:53] <astraljava> charlie-tca: But thanks for all support, anyway!
[16:53] <astraljava> Are the images up, btw.?
[16:54] <astraljava> Seem to be.
[16:54] <astraljava> zsyncing now.
[16:54] <charlie-tca> yes, I show the images dated 2012-01-30 in the iso tracker
[16:55] <scott-work> charlie-tca: i'll be testing as well
[16:56] <scott-work> charlie-tca: i guess i need to resubscribe the to the test since they moved to the new tracker
[16:56] <charlie-tca> That helps. Usually want up to 5 tests on each one
[16:56] <scott-work> anyone have the link handy for the new tracker?  is it more than an ip yet?
[16:56] <charlie-tca> My email still works telling me the images are up. But I might have resubscribed last time
[16:57] <charlie-tca> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/206/builds
[16:57] <charlie-tca> but it took me three times to get the thing up
[16:57]  * scott-work has a series of meetings to go to and probably will only be online spotty until mid-afternoon....i greatly dislike bloody meetings
[16:57] <astraljava> scott-work: We don't have any test cases up, yet.
[16:57] <astraljava> I will head on to -testing to find out why.
[16:57] <charlie-tca> after I logged in, it won't show me any tests first
[16:58] <astraljava> Oh?
[16:58] <scott-work> crap, that might be a left over from us not wanting to test A1
[16:58] <scott-work> astraljava: please talk to someone about it
[16:58] <charlie-tca> No, it wouldn't show anything
[16:58] <astraljava> scott-work: Yep, I will.
[16:58] <charlie-tca> astraljava: you do
[16:58] <charlie-tca> try going to the home page and picking alpha2 again
[16:59] <charlie-tca> ah, crap
[16:59] <astraljava> charlie-tca: I just did, went all the way up to the starting page.
[16:59] <charlie-tca> sorry. I see it now. 
[16:59] <astraljava> That's fine, I'll be talking about it now.
[16:59] <charlie-tca> They put the image on but no tests required, huh?
[16:59] <charlie-tca> it them in #ubuntu-release for that. 
[17:00] <astraljava> Oh ok, I'll ask there as well.
[17:02] <charlie-tca> If you don't get an answer in a couple of minutes, try stgraber directly in -release. 
[17:02] <astraljava> They're busy, I'm sure they'll react soon enough. :)
[17:03] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:03] <charlie-tca> jibel got you covered
[17:05] <astraljava> Yep, thanks.
[17:51] <astraljava> micahg: If you have time at some point to explain (and try to make me understand) the ~ubuntu-branches/* stuff, I'd be thrilled! :) Currently I'm under the assumption that they are created from other branches, but if so, then I don't understand where the edubuntu ubiquity/plugins/ stuff reside.
[17:52] <micahg> astraljava: that's a team placeholder for the lp:ubuntu/foo stuff
[17:52] <micahg> since branches are team owned, not project owned
[17:53] <scott-work> astraljava: the blueprint (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-ubuntustudio-livedvd) has the link to the plugin directory i believe
[17:54] <scott-work> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/edubuntu-live/precise/files/head:/livecd/ubiquity/
[17:54] <astraljava> scott-work: Can you tell me the branch that I would then re-branch for US?
[17:54] <astraljava> Cause I sure don't.
[17:55] <astraljava> can't*
[18:04] <astraljava> micahg: So, some team relating to edubuntu owns the branch lp:ubuntu/edubuntu-live, and I need to create lp:ubuntu/ubuntustudio-live somewhere, is that so?
[18:05] <micahg> astraljava: no, the lp:ubuntu/foo branches are created on upload
[18:05] <astraljava> Right. I'm really stumped as to where I could find the original source branch that holds the ubiquity/plugins/ stuff, then.
[18:06] <micahg> astraljava: ask stgraber?
[18:06] <astraljava> micahg: Ok, I will. Thanks for your help!
[18:33] <astraljava> scott-work: AFAIUI, I'm now creating the ubuntustudio-live package, basing it from lp:ubuntu/edubuntu-live branch. Let's see how it works out.
[18:33] <astraljava> scott-work: There's not that much work, but I need to go through all of the files, to make sure none of the edubuntu stuff is left.
[18:49] <scott-work> astraljava: cool, thanks!
[20:32] <astraljava> scott-work: ailo: len: holstein: ISO tracker has test cases now, so LET'S GO! :)
[20:34] <astraljava> I'm personally just waiting to sync my .ogg's, so that my listening is uninterrupted while testing. :D
[20:51] <len> astraljava: just got in the door and went through the above. I'll start DL.
[20:52] <astraljava> len: Excellent! Thanks! :)
[20:53] <len> astraljava: maybe not... it is still the jan30 iso which is broken. Xubuntu has a new one but we don't
[20:55] <astraljava> len: Damnit, you're right. One second. Err... well a couple.
[20:58] <astraljava> Yeah, sorry folks. No ETA at the moment. Carry on with your previously scheduled programme.
[20:59] <astraljava> At least 4 hours, still.
[21:02] <scott-work> astraljava: 4 hours until the next iso is ready?  is that because someone is respinning it?  if so, is the respin for a particular reason?
[21:03] <astraljava> scott-work: _At least_ 4 hours. And yes, there's a new kernel upload on the way,
[21:04] <len> astraljava: So Xubuntu will get a new one too? Or is that our kernel?
[21:05] <astraljava> len: We don't have our own, yet.
[21:06] <len> Ok, I'm DL Xubuntu Jan31 so I will know if any problems I find are unique to US.
[21:06] <astraljava> len: Perfect. Thanks!
[22:09] <len> astraljava: I had most of the xubuntu alt iso so I DL that first. So far it seems to have the same wireless auth bug as the US has since jan29 (and jan 30)
[22:10] <len> We need someone else to test the wireless stuff so that the bug can be confirmed.
[22:10] <holstein> :?
[22:10] <holstein> :/
[22:10] <holstein> i cant til maybe tomorrow
[22:11] <holstein> ill check in then though
[22:11] <len> Anyway, I am installing Xubuntu jan31 alt while xubuntu live DL while waiting for US to be published.
[22:11] <len> holstein: thnks
[22:12] <len> wlan connect is a big deal for me.
[22:13] <holstein> len: well, some might disable it, and i do on my studio rigs, but if it ships, it should work, or at least be able to work
[22:13] <astraljava> len: Alright. But in all fairness, the comparisons should be made against their desktop image, as that's the equivalent of ours, really.
[22:14] <len> Its downloading
[22:14] <astraljava> holstein: Tomorrow's fine. The release of A-2 is on Thursday.
[22:15] <len> I had the alt from when I was comparing to our alt so zsync was quick, live is still an hour away.
[22:15] <astraljava> Ahh... ok, sorry. :)
[23:21] <len> Weird, It looks like a dhcp problem... same dhcp server for wired or wireless, wired works wireless doesn't. Wireless seems to use a different dhcp client.