[15:14] <ochosi> micahg: there'll be a new release of gmusicbrowser tomorrow, it'll fix a few issues that are also xubuntu-critical. maybe we could get it through debian before FF?
[15:30] <hobgoblin> anyone in here want some feedback on Pasi's terminalrc blog post?
[15:30]  * knome wants
[15:31]  * hobgoblin loves it - almost
[15:31] <knome> ok, so what's the problem?
[15:31] <hobgoblin> all I would say is the scroll bar looks like an addon - if that could be the same scheme hobgoblin would love it completely
[15:31] <knome> i know there might be problematic color combinations
[15:31] <knome> right, that's being fixed in greybird
[15:32] <knome> or, that's actually fixed already
[15:32] <knome> i just seem to have an old version of greybird
[15:32] <hobgoblin> for me it looks ok - I suspect people with visual issues mightn't like it - but they are likely to set it up for themselves anyway - perhaps
[15:32] <knome> mm-hmm
[15:33] <knome> we are thinking of having an "accessibility" installation choice, that could use the normal color scheme
[15:33] <knome> and a bigger font...
[15:33] <hobgoblin> knome: excellent then - though I didn't actually have this terminalrc at all here - had to do from scratch 
[15:33] <knome> ah, right :)
[15:33] <knome> then i suppose you had the default setting :)
[15:33] <knome> +s
[15:33] <hobgoblin> yea - that would make sense to do 
[15:33] <knome> but we still have to investigate if that is possible
[15:34] <hobgoblin> I guess so - some fiddling with fonts is all I normally do to be honest 
[15:34] <knome> mmh.
[15:34] <knome> the font has been gigantic so far, now we've dropped it to 10 for terminal
[15:34] <hobgoblin> but all in all I think it looks good and fits well with other stuff here 
[15:34] <knome> yup, that's the idea. and thanks! :)
[15:35] <hobgoblin> in fact the only issue I have had at all with 12.04 at all is hibernate not working which I assume to be to do with the polkit and a qt app I use looking rubbish - had to install a libgnome package 
[15:35] <knome> micahg, mr_pouit ^
[15:36] <hobgoblin> but all in all it's been great - I have it running on 3 machines 
[15:36] <knome> i know nothing about that stuff :)
[15:36] <hobgoblin> I only know what I manage to find out :)
[15:42] <mr_pouit> Bug #812394
[15:44] <hobgoblin> mr_pouit: yea - thought it was that one - saw it yesterday I think, sudo pm-hibernate makes it work, but tbh I don't ever hibernate or suspend - just been trying things to at least help if possible 
[15:59] <astraljava> micahg: mr_pouit: How is the lp:ubuntu/edubuntu-live branch created? Is it one of the branches that are comprised of something else, like ubuntustudio-meta?
[15:59] <astraljava> err... sorry.
[15:59]  * astraljava is messed up
[16:00] <hobgoblin> wouldn't worry - hobgoblin is too
[16:01]  * hobgoblin thought this was the #windows channel and ended up with xubuntu on 3 machines 
[16:01] <astraljava> Thanks. It's no news to me, either. I've been clinically insane for 13 years now. :D But in this case, I confused ed with X.
[16:01] <knome> NICHT! nobody is allowed to be messed up!
[16:02] <knome> micahg, the ubiquity-slideshow is actually also blocked by the TB bug, so if you could rush it just a tiny bit more ;))
[16:02] <knome> like we didn't ask about it too often already
[16:10] <hobgoblin> knome: so how do I get the scrollbar to look as nice as the rest - wait or is there something I can do that is not too much like voodoo ... 
[16:10] <knome> hobgoblin, https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird
[16:11] <knome> hobgoblin, download the latest Greybird from Github
[16:11] <knome> hobgoblin, direct download link: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/tarball/master
[16:11] <knome> hobgoblin, then unpack that to ~/.themes/
[16:11] <hobgoblin> mmm - never done that - wouldn't know where to start - almost 5 years using ubuntu and never got anywhere near to using git lol 
[16:12] <knome> you can just download a package, no need to download via git
[16:12] <hobgoblin> but thansk for the direct link :)
[16:12]  * hobgoblin types slowly and doesn't look up often :D
[16:12]  * knome types fast and doesn't look down often
[16:13] <hobgoblin> :)
[16:17] <hobgoblin> knome: done that - looks the same to me :(
[16:17] <knome> right. ochosi ! ^
[16:17] <hobgoblin> shouldn't need to logout or anything should I?
[16:18] <knome> no, but you should of course change the theme
[16:18] <knome> in appearance
[16:18] <hobgoblin> yea :)
[16:18] <knome> apart from that, i'm not sure what you should do.
[16:18] <hobgoblin> k - then no apparent change here :)
[16:19] <knome> anyway, ochosi told me that's fixed, so i'll get back to this with him
[16:19] <hobgoblin> ok 
[16:22]  * hobgoblin will watch with interest off and on over the next few days :) unfortuantely there's not much I can do other than try things and make sure they work - and help others when I can 
[16:31] <micahg> knome: it's not an instant fix
[16:31] <micahg> we can probably have  a patch for beta 1
[16:31] <knome> okay...
[16:32] <micahg> ochosi: re gmusicbrowser> sure, we can get that in next week
[16:33] <micahg> hibernate has been a disaster for most users, so I guess it makes sense they're disabling it
[16:34] <micahg> ok, do we care about amd64 live being oversized?
[16:34] <charlie-tca> micahg: wait
[16:34] <micahg> It's right on the edge, 704
[16:34] <micahg> it might still fit, idk
[16:34] <charlie-tca> At least until the beta1 image, to see what happens to it
[16:34] <knome> hey charlie-tca 
[16:34] <charlie-tca> It is not unusual for us to have oversized alpha images
[16:35] <charlie-tca> It is normally release noted that an image is oversize and will fit and work from either USB or DVD
[16:37] <knome> charlie-tca, madnick needs some input on accessibility on the lightdm theme from you later :)
[16:39] <charlie-tca> Why wouldn't it be the same as Ubuntu's lightdm?
[16:39] <knome> we want to theme it, and madnick has built a greeter engine
[16:39] <knome> i think it has something to do with accessibility features being accessible...
[16:40] <knome> more than text being readable and so
[16:40] <charlie-tca> So, what will change on accessibility? Still want to be able to run Onboard, Start ORca, and read the screen, right?
[16:40] <knome> yes, i suppose that's the idea :)
[16:40] <knome> but we need to wait for madnick to push the code so it's testable
[16:40] <charlie-tca> Then it should match unity-greeter accessibility
[16:42] <knome> right. would you be available for a follow-up with madnick about this later in the cycle?
[16:42] <charlie-tca> yes
[16:43] <knome> thanks :)
[16:43] <charlie-tca> yw
[16:43] <knome> are you okay, btw? haven't seen you much around lately
[16:44] <charlie-tca> Yup, just busy with other things that I put off before.
[16:44] <knome> okay :)
[16:44] <knome> how's testing been?
[16:44] <charlie-tca> Should be able to be around on Wednesdays, I'm hoping
[16:44] <knome> maybe-ubiquity acts nicely?
[16:44] <charlie-tca> Haven't touched the images for a week
[16:44] <knome> mmh, right
[16:45] <charlie-tca> The tests are all tracked on the QA tracker now, including daily testing
[16:45] <knome> mm-hmm :) is that working well for us?
[16:46] <charlie-tca> As well as any new procedure
[16:47] <knome> good to hear it's not a nightmare at least...
[16:55] <charlie-tca> micahg: xfburn says 704 won't fit on the cd-r, will burn it to dvd instead
[16:59] <davmor2> charlie-tca: it's right too ;)
[17:01] <charlie-tca> Yeah, but I really did not want it to be, this time.
[17:03] <micahg> charlie-tca: well, 703.5X is the limit for a CDR
[17:03] <charlie-tca> That doesn't make me not want 704 to fit :(
[17:04] <micahg> well, I wasn't sure how close our 704 was
[17:04] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I figured I would try it and let you know
[17:04] <charlie-tca> apparently, too close
[17:10] <micahg> ISTR that xfburn won't let you go over 700 anyways
[17:12] <charlie-tca> I thought it let me burn 702 before
[17:12] <charlie-tca> But that could be wishful thinking too
[17:12] <davmor2> charlie-tca: out of interest how is libburnia nowadays?
[17:13] <charlie-tca> Seems to be working
[17:18] <micahg> charlie-tca: well, the alternate amd64 is a good test, it's at 702 or 702
[17:18] <micahg> *701
[19:14] <GridCube> i cant do alpha2 tests today, will do them tomorrow, its that ok?
[19:15] <charlie-tca> sure
[19:16] <charlie-tca> GridCube: just got to update the iso tracker for alpha2 when you do them
[19:16] <GridCube> :) ok
[19:19] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[19:26] <GridCube> i haven't been able to do much tests lately, my isp isnt being nice and my work download speed tops 1kbs usually :(
[19:27] <charlie-tca> I understand that one. I get a consistent 160Kps here, or lower
[19:33] <pleia2> hehe, nice, Canonical hired a sysadmin friend of mine ("oh hey, I'm working on your ticket!" "Neat!"!)
[19:34] <baizon> xD
[19:34] <pleia2> anyway, link redirects in the works :)
[19:35] <knome> pleia2, arrr
[19:35] <pleia2> they will make them work for wp.xubuntu.org (so we can test them now) and then just update them when we go live
[19:36] <baizon> nice
[19:36] <baizon> will test it tomorrow right away :D
[20:12] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_wall/brainstorm-20120131-improv.png
[20:19] <astraljava> ooohhhh I love that!
[20:19]  * astraljava is a big nature fan
[20:20] <knome> mm-hmm.
[20:20] <knome> i think we have a winner.
[20:20] <knome> now just finalize that.
[20:21] <astraljava> Yes PLEASE!!!
[20:23] <pleia2> nice :)
[20:23] <knome> thanks
[20:28] <madnick> knome: that is nice
[21:17] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_wall/wall-draft2.png
[21:20] <astraljava> Can you tone down the green shimmering a little bit?
[21:20] <knome> why? :P
[21:21] <astraljava> It's a bit too much. :)
[21:22]  * astraljava whispers... "dumb-*ss"
[21:22] <knome> lol
[21:22] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_wall/wall-draft3.png
[21:24] <astraljava> Now it's just darker, overall.
[21:27] <knome> no, the green is also more subtle.
[21:27] <astraljava> Well, a tad. But too little.
[21:27] <knome> MAYBE.
[21:27] <knome> but i kind of like that effect
[21:28] <knome> don't worry, i'll make it less subtle eventually
[21:28] <astraljava> Oh alright. :)
[21:28] <knome> i'm sure i will
[21:28] <knome> i always get bored to the greens
[21:28] <astraljava> But I'm liking it when it's lighter, as in the draft2.
[21:29] <knome> overall, i think the vignetting effect is somewhat an improvement
[21:30] <astraljava> wiktionary.org knows not of such a word
[21:31] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_wall/wall-draft4.png
[21:31] <knome> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vignetting
[21:33] <astraljava> draft4 is better, but I still liked it better when it was lighter. The green amount is good now, IMHO. And thanks, wonder why wiktionary.org didn't know about it.
[21:34] <knome> mmh. hard to make the green lighter when there is the vignetting
[21:34] <astraljava> Oh, it's there. I must have made a typo.
[21:34] <knome> yeah, i know, you suck
[21:35] <astraljava> No, don't make the green lighter. Just the overall lightness.
[21:35] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_wall/wall-draft5.png
[21:35] <knome> slightly lighter.
[21:37] <knome> i think it still needs some texture
[21:37] <knome> and maybe a bird.
[21:39] <astraljava> Yeah. But now I like the colors, and the lightness. Nice, mate! :)
[21:39] <ochosi> looks like a mix between hardy(?) and maverick :)
[21:39] <ochosi> i mean hardy landscape with a tint of maverick-colors
[21:40] <knome> yeah
[21:40] <ochosi> well, i guess it's not bad because it gives some style-consistency across releases
[21:40] <ochosi> and it'll work well with greybird color-wise
[21:40] <ochosi> (and with albatross fwiw)
[21:40] <ochosi> maybe not as good with bluebird though
[21:40] <knome> yeah, i thought: time to have some nostalgia too
[21:41] <knome> yeah
[21:41] <ochosi> hehe
[21:41] <ochosi> and now add a pangolin
[21:41] <knome> lol
[21:44] <astraljava> He's over @ #beanpc
[21:44]  * knome lols
[21:44] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_wall/wall-draft6.png
[21:45] <ochosi> again, ripping off your own design? :)
[21:45] <knome> haha, yeah
[21:45] <knome> except that's not the same bird
[21:45] <ochosi> it just looks like it is
[21:46] <knome> haha
[21:46] <knome> the wings bend to different way, for example
[21:46] <knome> well, how do you make a silhouette of a flying bird looking much different from another?
[21:46] <ochosi> use a different type of bird
[21:46] <knome> lol
[21:47] <knome> i don't want a clumsy bird ;]
[21:47] <ochosi> hmm, maybe a pangolin?
[21:47] <knome> meh
[21:47] <knome> how well that suits to a finnish lake?
[21:48] <ochosi> precisely perfect!
[21:48] <knome> lol
[22:03] <astraljava> The falcon/hawk/seagull/whathaveyou is a tad too "strong".
[22:34] <knome> astraljava, yeah.
[22:54] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_wall/wall-draft7.png
[22:59] <astraljava> Now _that's_ gorgeous!
[22:59] <knome> yeah, i know.
[22:59] <knome> and it's still all-vector
[23:02] <astraljava> Man, you _do_ know your sh*t after all. :)
[23:03] <knome> heh, sometimes ;)
[23:45] <pleia2> bah, how did wp get set to do /articles/ rather than /news/ for blog posts
[23:45]  * pleia2 fixes
[23:45] <knome> hehe
[23:46] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_wall/wall-draft9.png
[23:48] <pleia2> I don't like birds
[23:48] <knome> lol
[23:48] <pleia2> :)
[23:50] <Unit193> They are a major pain in the morning...
[23:50] <knome> our neighbours are. they've woken me up many times by arguing under our window.
[23:50] <astraljava> Just what do you do with them in the nights, then?
[23:51] <knome> har har