[00:01] <tomk_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gstBozWfhQ&feature=fvst
[01:06] <seawing> I an running kubuntu 11.10 on my lenovo laptop. there is a problem : when I am using the keyboard in any program the cursor will frequently loose focus at random times. it does not do this in my windows partition nor does it do it with a live disk of the same distro. Any suggestions to relieve this frustrating bug would be greatly appriciated.
[01:12] <Daskreech> seawing: the cursor loses focus?
[01:13] <seawing> meaning I have to click with the mouse to continue typing.
[01:14] <seawing> like that window is no longer in focus.
[01:14] <Daskreech> and you aren't touching the touchpad while you are typing
[01:14] <Daskreech> ?
[01:15] <seawing> no. and like I said it doesn't do in when using a live disk.
[01:15] <Daskreech> I think you can use ksynaptics to turn off the touchpad when you are typing
[01:15] <seawing> let me try that again....
[01:18] <seawing> nope. I checked the box that turns off the touchpad while typing and attempted to type a sentence in a browser and got cut off part way through.
[01:19] <seawing>  it is really anoying when attempting to type in a hidden password field.
[01:23] <Daskreech> Well if it works in the same distro with a live Cd it's a setting since it's the same version that is installed
[01:24] <seawing> I dont think that it has to do with the touch pad.  I suspect plasma but don't have any reason to back that up.
[01:25] <seawing> what other settings might effect this behavior?
[01:26] <Daskreech> it can't be plasma
[01:27] <seawing> ok.
[01:27] <Daskreech> Plasma doesn't do anythign with focus. It would be kwin but unless you have your keyboard remapped I don't see any reason why kwin would be switching windows while you were typing
[01:27] <Daskreech> does it happen everytime you are doing a particular password?
[01:29] <seawing> no.  it hapens when I am typing an email in gmail, typing a document in libra office, typing a password for synaptic, typing a url in kunquror, etc.
[01:30] <Daskreech> Does it always happen when you type a password in synaptic?
[01:31] <seawing> no, sometimes I can make it through the entire phrase before it loses focus.  sometimes I can type a couple sentenses before it happens, sometimes only a couple letters.
[01:32] <Daskreech> so it isn't jumping when you do something like press 'e' ?
[01:32] <Daskreech> or perhaps pressing two keys at the same time
[01:33] <seawing> I'll try that.
[01:36] <Daskreech> I'm looking to see if there may be some setting I've overlooked
[01:37] <seawing> no. I just tried going through the keyboard and it did it on y so I started over and the next time ie did it on - and the next time I made it all the way to n,
[01:37] <Daskreech> wait the installer will run updates as it installs won't it >_<
[01:37] <seawing> ?
[01:37] <Daskreech> can you pastebin  ps aux ?
[01:38] <seawing> not sure where that is.
[01:38] <Daskreech> !pastebin
[01:39] <Daskreech> open a konsole and type sudo apt-get install pastebinit && ps aux | pastebinit
[01:39] <Daskreech> It will give you a url just paste that URL back here
[01:40] <seawing> I am typing from my desktop.  I will open this in the laptop.
[01:41] <Daskreech> ok
[01:45] <seawing_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/824660/
[01:48] <seawing> anything interesting there?
[01:49] <Daskreech> Not seeing anything that strikes me as stealing focus
[01:49] <Daskreech>  Granted Kwin is very good at not handing over focus
[01:49] <Daskreech> Do you ever lose focus without typing on the keyboard?
[01:50] <seawing> you know it even does it whin I click on the k menu and am browsing for something.
[01:50] <Daskreech> Do you know where it loses focus to?
[01:50] <seawing> because the k menu closes when you lose focus it is obvious.
[01:51] <Daskreech> and the mouse is over the kmenu at that point?
[01:51] <seawing> yes. I can't figure out where it goes. it will do it when there is only one window open.
[01:57] <Daskreech> Which suggests the desktop. Do you have the desktop in your alt+tab listing?
[01:57] <seawing> I don't understand.
[01:58] <Daskreech> If you press alt+tab is your desktop one of the options in the list?
[01:58] <seawing> no
[01:58] <seawing> if all windows are closed alt tab does nothing
[01:59] <Daskreech> ah that might be useful if it loses focus you could hold alt+tab to see what grabbed the focus. if it's consistently the desktop then perhaps you have a rogue plasmoid abusing dbus?
[01:59] <Daskreech> you can add it in with alt+F2 -> switcher
[01:59] <seawing> ok, so I will open several windows and see what happens.
[02:05] <Daskreech> or you can add in the desktop :)
[02:07] <seawing> I don't follow what you mean about the alt+f2 switcher, but suddenly I cannot recreate the problem.  I dont think I changed anything.
[02:07] <Daskreech> seawing: alt=tab switcher
[02:07] <Daskreech>  alt+f2 is the krunner
[02:07] <Daskreech> Alt+tab
[02:10] <ScottyK> greetings! On the netbook version, how do you change/edit an icon?
[02:10] <seawing> I am going to restart it and see if the problem comes back.
[02:11] <seawing> THank you for your help by the way.  will come back to it later.
[02:13] <Daskreech> ScottyK: right click? :-)
[02:13] <Daskreech> Probably long click
[02:16] <ScottyK>  Daskreech - no effect. If I could find something simular to the kickoff launcher, I could get it. But can't find anything like that in the netbook
[02:17] <Daskreech> You just want to edit an icon?
[02:17] <Daskreech> actually #plasma might be a good place to ask
[02:18] <ScottyK> Daskreech - yes. One of the programs I use in WINE has a "?" for the icon. I'd rather it just have the wine goblet icon
[02:19] <Daskreech> Check in #plasma I think
[02:20] <ScottyK> Daskreech - Roger that, thanks!
[02:21] <dabbill> is there something i can install so that when i plug in headphones it kills my normal speakers (hp notebook) right now i have to use alsamixer in a terminal to turn down the volume to my speakers
[02:24] <Daskreech> pulseaudio should be able to do that
[02:27] <ironfroggy> did the 11.10 update default to gnomes login screen, instead of KDM, for anyone else?
[02:30] <James1479> ironfroggy: try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm"
[02:30] <ironfroggy> thank you
[02:30] <dabbill> Deskreech is that whats installed by default with 11.10?
[02:31] <ironfroggy> i was really sad to see i'm still getting plasma freezes when i open the kmenu some times, after my 11.10 update :-/
[02:33] <dabbill> Daskreech: there is no slider in the kde mixer for speakers indpendent of the headphones output
[02:43] <zorobabel> so Amarok launches on start-up, but it's not in System Settings > Autostart; does anyone know how I can remove it?
[02:43] <Daskreech> dabbill: Yes
[02:43] <Daskreech> ironfroggy: Desktop effects on?
[02:44] <Daskreech> zorobabel: Session autostart perhaps?
[02:45] <ironfroggy> Daskreech: no
[02:46] <Daskreech> Hmm :-/
[02:46] <Daskreech> ironfroggy: only kickoff freezes the desktop?
[02:48] <zorobabel> possibly
[02:48] <zorobabel> let me check that
[02:51] <ironfroggy> Daskreech: thats been whast i've seen for a while now. on multiple machines, too.
[02:51] <ironfroggy> tho both of them were intel gpu thinkpads..
[02:54] <Daskreech> ironfroggy: tried switching to classic menu or lancelot?
[02:54] <ironfroggy> i have not. i dont really notice it much, so i never took the initiative
[02:55] <ironfroggy> probably because i use the menu so incredibly rarely
[03:04] <Daskreech> ironfroggy: alright
[03:10] <rufsketch1> hey all
[03:10] <rufsketch1> how can I upgrade to mysql 5.5?
[03:10] <rufsketch1> withou losing kde
[03:10] <Daskreech> !info mysql
[03:10] <Daskreech> !info mysql-server
[03:10] <rufsketch1> Daskreech 5.5
[03:11] <rufsketch1> Daskreech I already have 5.1
[03:13] <Daskreech> https://launchpad.net/~clint-fewbar/+archive/mysql
[03:19] <rufsketch1> Daskreech so how do I install that such that it replaces the current mysql-5.1?
[03:19] <rufsketch1> I tried installing 5.5 from a .deb, but it still retained 5.1
[03:19] <rufsketch1> and i can't remove all of 5.1 first, because kubuntu needs it
[03:20] <Daskreech> !ppa
[03:20] <Daskreech> !addppa
[03:20] <Daskreech> That should help
[03:20] <rufsketch1> Daskreech right, I know. I'm asking ahead of time if it will replace the old version instead of just installing the new version on top of it
[03:21] <Daskreech> Well the person doing that PPA is doing it in preparation of having MySQL 5.5 on Ubuntu so I would think that it's a inplace upgrade
[03:21] <Daskreech> but of course I'm speculating
[03:22] <rufsketch1> Daskreech alright, I'll try it.
[03:22] <rufsketch1> thanks
[03:23] <Daskreech> !Info mysql-server precise
[03:28] <rufsketch1> Daskreech possibly stupid question, but
[03:28] <rufsketch1>  The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 74A941BA219EC810
[03:28] <rufsketch1> I'm not sure what keyserver to specify for gpg
[03:29] <Daskreech> It should be on the same website
[03:29] <rufsketch1> ah, found it
[03:29] <rufsketch1> thanks
[03:30] <Daskreech> great :)
[03:31] <rufsketch1> Daskreech urgh. I still get the no pubkey error though
[03:32] <Daskreech> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 3823246F
[03:32] <Daskreech> possibly
[03:34] <rufsketch1> Daskreech I already did that
[03:34] <rufsketch1> copied and pasted your thing anyway though
[03:34] <rufsketch1> same result
[03:34] <Daskreech> Oh then it really doesn't have a public key
[03:34] <rufsketch1> so what do I do?
[03:34] <Daskreech> Never mind just suffer through the yes yes I really do want to install this yes I do yes yes  ido
[03:35] <rufsketch1> Daskreech what?
[03:35] <Daskreech> You should be able ot install anyway but it will complain endlessly about it not being signed
[03:35] <Daskreech> At least as near as I remember
[03:36] <rufsketch1> Daskreech but doesn't it need to update my repos before I can even tell it what I want to install?
[03:37] <Daskreech> rufsketch1: sudo apt-get update is failing?
[03:39] <rufsketch1> Daskreech yes, that's the one returning the pgp error
[03:39] <Daskreech> ok
[03:40] <Daskreech> http://www.stefanoforenza.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/launchpad-updatetar.gz
[03:40] <Daskreech> There is a script in there. Extract it and check if it's executable
[03:42] <rufsketch1> Daskreech the script returns
[03:42] <rufsketch1> cat: keyss: No such file or directory
[03:42] <rufsketch1> rm: cannot remove `keyss': No such file or directory
[03:42] <Daskreech> rufsketch1: run it with sudo
[03:43] <rufsketch1> I did
[03:43] <Daskreech> oh? give me a moment
[03:46] <rufsketch1> Daskreech sure.
[03:53] <Daskreech> rufsketch1: try putting set -e as the line above if [.. "root" ];
[03:53] <Daskreech> Run it again and tell me if you end up with a file named fullsourceslist ?
[03:54] <rufsketch1> alright
[03:55] <rufsketch1> Daskreech I do end up with fullsourcelist
[03:56] <Daskreech> can you pastebin that please?
[03:56] <rufsketch1> http://pastebin.com/vw8bSRYe
[03:57] <rufsketch1> Daskreech ^
[03:57] <Daskreech> thanks
[03:57] <rufsketch1> no, thank you.
[03:57] <Daskreech> !maverick
[03:58] <rufsketch1> Daskreech what do I do with that?
[03:59] <Daskreech> rufsketch1: :-/
[03:59] <Daskreech> can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[04:00] <rufsketch1> Daskreech http://pastebin.com/9C08N9jN
[04:01] <Daskreech> The PPA isn't in there is it?
[04:07] <rufsketch1> Daskreech in the sources.list?
[04:07] <Daskreech> Correct
[04:07] <Daskreech> I don't see the PPA at all
[04:07] <rufsketch1> Daskreech neither do I
[04:07] <rufsketch1> is that where ppa's generally get stored?
[04:09] <Daskreech> or in sources.list.d
[04:11] <rufsketch1> Daskreech sources.list.d has the ppa
[04:12] <Daskreech> rufsketch1: Woohoo :) pastebin that
[04:12] <rufsketch1> Daskreech sources.list.d is a director
[04:12] <rufsketch1> y
[04:12] <rufsketch1> directory
[04:13] <rufsketch1> Daskreech the two relevant files contained therein are
[04:13] <rufsketch1> clint-fewbar-mysql-maverick.list
[04:13] <rufsketch1> clint-fewbar-mysql-maverick.list.save
[04:13] <rufsketch1> do you want me to paste their contents?
[04:13] <Daskreech> rufsketch1: pastebin the .list
[04:13] <rufsketch1> Daskreech it contains
[04:13] <rufsketch1> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/clint-fewbar/mysql/ubuntu maverick main
[04:13] <rufsketch1> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/clint-fewbar/mysql/ubuntu maverick main
[04:14] <Daskreech> Oh hmm
[04:14] <Daskreech> Do those exist?
[04:17] <Daskreech> ok
[04:20] <rufsketch1> Daskreech so?
[04:20] <Daskreech> Why are you on Maverick?
[04:21] <rufsketch1> Daskreech because it's my girlfriend's computer, and using a different system would lose a lot of programs she has set up
[04:23] <Daskreech> oh?
[04:23] <Daskreech> really?
[04:23] <Daskreech>  like?
[04:24] <rufsketch1> things we've had to compile from source
[04:24] <rufsketch1> an upgrade is out of the question right now either way.
[04:24] <rufsketch1> I need to get this set up sooner than later
[04:25] <Daskreech> alright
[04:25] <Daskreech> Pull the lucid packages I would guess
[04:28] <Daskreech> change the word maverick in that PPA to say lucid
[04:30] <rufsketch1> Daskreech alright
[04:31] <Daskreech> try the keyserver again and run sudo apt-get update
[04:32] <rufsketch1> update seems to complete
[04:33] <Daskreech> alright try your server no
[04:33] <Daskreech> now
[04:33] <benbloom> is there a way to preprocess webcam video before it goes out via skype?
[04:34] <Daskreech> Call Skype support?
[04:34] <rufsketch1> Daskreech well, I still have to go and install it
[04:34] <rufsketch1> Daskreech it doesn't seem to be showing up on apt-cache search
[04:35] <benbloom> in windows it's a different app altogether bundled with the webcam. allows you to zoom, and tweak picture
[04:35] <Daskreech> rufsketch1: apt-cache policy mysql-server
[04:36] <rufsketch1> Daskreech latest available is suppodly 5.1.49
[04:37] <benbloom> is tehre a way to route my webcam through vlc, in such a way that skype will recognize vlc's output as a webcam?
[04:37] <rufsketch1>  5.1.49-1ubuntu8.1 0
[04:37] <rufsketch1>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick-updates/universe i386 Packages
[04:37] <rufsketch1>         500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick-security/universe i386 Packages
[04:37] <rufsketch1>      5.1.49-1ubuntu8 0
[04:37] <rufsketch1>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/universe i386 Packages
[04:37] <rufsketch1> benbloom yes, but I don't know of any out of the box solutions
[04:38] <benbloom> meaning what rufsketch1?
[04:39] <rufsketch1> meaning you might have to hack about a bit.
[04:39] <rufsketch1> benbloom I know skype has a screen capture option
[04:39] <rufsketch1> you could probably screen cap what vlc is showing
[04:39] <rufsketch1> that would be the easiest way
[04:40] <benbloom> but that wouldn't work for streaming would it? I'm hoping to capture my webcam with vlc, process it an dthen use the output from vlc as streaming video
[04:41] <benbloom> isn't screen capture for stills only?
[04:42] <rufsketch1> benbloom no
[04:42] <rufsketch1> screen capture transmits video of what's happening on your screen
[04:43] <benbloom> haven't used that feature rufsketch1. interesting idea
[04:43] <rufsketch1> Oh yes, I have many of them.
[05:30] <seawing> I am still working on the loosing focus issue in 11.10 on my laptop. are there any other suggestions on what settings might be causing the problem?
[05:36] <george> helo
[05:41] <stephan> Have to say that I'm really looking forward to Precise.
[06:14] <ashes> hello
[06:16] <ashes> apt-get and apper seem to be out of sync... i can do an 'apt-get update', and then install a new package, and then apper _always_ complains after about security updates. am i doing things wrong?
[06:17] <ashes> i could have eliminated some variables, like do an apper update first, but i don't think that will have an influence
[06:17] <ashes> i assume apper and apt-get both use the same database, yes?
[06:19] <ashes> is there something else i should use, than apt-get, to install new packages with? i prefer command-line
[06:26] <hateball> well apper only checks so often, but if you do a manual check with it after you've installed using apt-get it should report correct
[06:27] <ashes> does 'apt-get install' perform any update to my local database?
[06:29] <ashes> originally i would do an 'apt-get install', and a minute later i would have a ton of updates from apper. thinking that i was installing old packages, i started doing 'apt-get update' before 'apt-get install', but this problem with apper hasn't gone away
[06:30] <ashes> it's more than a coincidence that apper reports that i need updates every time i use 'apt-get install'
[06:30] <ashes> it's always unrelated packages
[06:31] <ashes> i just installed lm-sensors, and apper wants to update xorg related packages
[06:31] <ashes> i might simply be doing things wrong
[06:32] <ashes> is what i'm doing an acceptable/efficient way to install new packages and maintain my system?
[06:34] <ashes> i have a good understanding of linux, but not kubuntu specifically. i just learned apper is a kde app a few minutes ago
[06:34] <ashes> i'm new to ubuntu aswell
[06:50] <dahlia> anyone know offhand how to get it so alt-left click gets passed to the application instead of moving the window? blender uses alt-clicks and I cant get it to recognize them
[06:50] <dahlia> I looked in system settings but nothing I tried there worked
[06:52] <almoxarife> dahlia: i just tried alt left click, got nothing, you added it as a short cut?
[06:52] <dahlia> no I just have default kubuntu
[06:52] <dahlia> but alt-left moves the whole application window
[06:53] <almoxarife> dahlia:  you right, i didnt do it correctly the first time
[06:55] <dahlia> Ill ask in #kde also
[07:44] <zorobabel> hey guys, whenever I try to remove unity and its associated packages either via apt-get or Muon, it insists on installing gnome and associated packages-- how can I, uh, make it not do this?
[07:51] <Tm_T> zorobabel: what happens if you ask it (via apt-get) to remove both unity and the gnome stuff it tries to install?
[07:52] <zorobabel> I could try but it is somewhat annoying since the gnome stuff is about 30 packages
[07:56] <zorobabel> 1here we go
[08:06] <almoxarife> zorobabel: there is a easy way to wipe gnome from your system, assuming that you want to go pure kubuntu?
[08:08] <zorobabel> yes, I do
[08:09] <xcorat> Hi, how can I apply this patch?
[08:09] <xcorat> https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee-old/issues/149#issuecomment-3285349
[08:09] <almoxarife> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[08:10] <Tm_T> xcorat: that's patch for nouveau graphics drivers?
[08:10] <zorobabel> looks good
[08:10] <xcorat> yeah
[08:10] <almoxarife> zorobabel: assuming kubuntu is already installed you would leave the last install portion out
[08:11] <zorobabel> yep
[08:11] <Tm_T> xcorat: you need to get nouveau sources, apply the patch to the sources, and then build the drivers
[08:11] <almoxarife> zorobabel: one thing, if you need any apps from gnome after the fact they will need to be re-installed, most likely
[08:11] <Tm_T> xcorat: ...you have previous experience on compiling applications from sources?
[08:12] <xcorat> Tm_T:you mean like ./config->make stuff? or somthin diff?
[08:12] <Tm_T> that, yes
[08:12] <xcorat> Tm_T:whats the deal with diff file? how can I apply the patch, idk much
[08:14] <Tm_T> xcorat: maybe this explains? http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/appy-patch-file-using-patch-command/
[08:18] <xcorat> @Tm_T: so you just get download the files and the patch, and run patch < the input file path?
[08:19] <Tm_T> xcorat: yeah, but compiling nouveau drivers isn't that simple job I'm afraid
[08:19] <xcorat> hm.. :)
[08:19] <xcorat> i figured
[08:19] <xcorat> i might try.
[08:19] <Tm_T> xcorat: if you're up for the challenge, go for it, only way to learn is to do (:
[08:20] <xcorat> thats true.. but im wondering if its worth it. It seems there's no support yet for lenovo y470.
[08:20] <xcorat> thanks a lot
[10:51] <viKtor_> hi guys, after upgrading to 4.8 network manager shows weird buttons
[10:53] <viKtor_> hi guys, after upgrading to 4.8 network manager shows weird buttons
[12:28] <Back5nux71> bonjour
[12:29] <Back5nux71> you ou
[12:48] <FlashDeluxe> hi! does anybody know a good tool for generating and encoding barcodes?
[12:51] <James147> FlashDeluxe: never used it, but kbarcode might work
[12:51] <James147> o wait, thats old :S
[12:52] <FlashDeluxe> yes^^ i would like to have one thats still supported :)
[12:54] <Guest47536> 1,1...
[13:03] <James147> FlashDeluxe: cant really find any decent user end tools that are still updated, but there are a few libraries out there
[13:23] <robertzaccour> If I use Banshee will the Gnome libs use a lot of my RAM?
[13:26] <James147> robertzaccour: depends on what you define as allot ^^ Though they should use that much
[13:27] <robertzaccour> oh ok thanks
[13:28] <robertzaccour> I figured out how to make playlists in Amarok nevermind I'm good :) thanks anyways
[13:29] <robertzaccour> and wasn't sure about chromium web browser, but I wasn't about to stick with rekonq haha
[13:37] <zlozlz> hello, is there a tool that allows to send screenshots directly to imgur?
[13:49] <jussi> zlozlz: yes, use the pastebin plasmoid, take a screenshot and drag and drop it there
[13:52] <zlozlz> jussi: cool thanks
[14:20] <BluesKaj> hi all
[14:23] <Grotz> hello there
[14:25] <Grotz> can anyone help me with some noobie questions? maybe in german? cus my english is realy bad =P
[14:26] <bazhang> Grotz, #ubuntu-de for German
[14:26] <Lynoure> Grotz: there might even be #kubuntu-de
[14:26] <bazhang> Grotz, you can certainly ask in english here though
[14:26] <Grotz> ah, ok. thank u guys
[14:26] <bazhang> !de
[14:26] <bazhang> yep
[14:28] <dnovikov> @seek
[14:28] <dnovikov> @seek opera
[14:28] <bazhang> dnovikov, need some help?
[14:29] <dnovikov> Thanks,
[14:29] <dnovikov> trying to remember how IRC works
[14:29] <dnovikov> THere is any FAQ?
[14:30] <bazhang> dnovikov, for your irc client? for freenode generally?
[14:31] <babalu> how can i get a good security for my computer? is there to know whether or not my computer is keylogged?
[14:31] <babalu> *
[14:31] <dnovikov> probably for the client. I'll google it
[14:31] <babalu> a way
[14:31] <bazhang> !crosspost | babalu
[14:32] <babalu> bazhang: sorry
[14:32] <bazhang> dnovikov, #quassel is here on freenode
[14:32] <Grotz> hmmm, maybe all afk in kubuntu-de. =D i will try my luck on english. and i'm sorry, im realy noob with computersystems. my first question is, how to install software on kubuntu 11.10? i found some informations about software-center and synaptic but i think this isnt the right one for kubuntu oO
[14:33] <bazhang> Grotz, from the package manager? from the command  line (ie konsole)?
[14:33] <bazhang> !info muon
[14:33] <Grotz> i think i'm looking for an manager
[14:34] <Grotz> !info muon
[14:34] <Grotz> argh xD
[14:34] <Grotz> ok, this thing is crashing all times
[14:34] <bazhang> Grotz, muon is?
[14:34] <Grotz> segmentation fault (11)
[14:35] <jovin> try dpkg --configure -a
[14:37] <BluesKaj> Grotz,  don't use muon , it's broken
[14:37] <kbroulik> BluesKaj: lol
[14:37] <Grotz> jovin where?^^
[14:37] <jovin> in terminal
[14:37] <bazhang> BluesKaj, what would be a good alternative
[14:37] <Grotz> ah ok
[14:37] <BluesKaj> lol? it's not funny , it's a fact :)
[14:37] <jovin> fixed it for me
[14:37] <BluesKaj> synaptic adept or even apt-get in the terminal
[14:38] <jovin> muon works fine
[14:38] <kbroulik> BluesKaj: the UI, definitly. but at least the auto updater works in contrast to apper/kpackagekit^^
[14:38] <BluesKaj> despends on your updates and upgrades
[14:38] <Grotz> jovin, its told me that i need super user rights
[14:38] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit
[14:38] <jovin> type sudo
[14:39] <jovin> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[14:39] <Grotz> ok, asked for pw. typed it in... thats all... new bashline. nothing more
[14:40] <BluesKaj> I use synaptic as an installer for meta stuff , butr mostly as a reference for info about available packages., all my upsates/upgrades are with apt-get
[14:40] <BluesKaj> jovin,  that's good , no errors
[14:40] <BluesKaj> phat phingers
[14:41] <jovin> Grotz do this:
[14:41] <jovin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/915235/comments/4
[14:41] <Grotz> ok, how to find/install new software now?^^ im realy noobie windows user. i only know how to dbl click an exe =P
[14:42] <davide> n
[14:43] <davide> italians?
[14:43] <belfist> Hi guyz
[14:43] <BluesKaj> !it
[14:43] <belfist> I've got a silyl problem
[14:43] <davide> thanks
[14:44] <belfist> I added a facebook widget and i cant remove it
[14:45] <belfist> I accidently addet it to a panel, not on the desktop
[14:45] <belfist> How can I remove it?
[14:45] <BluesKaj> right click on it remove this widget
[14:46] <belfist> when i do that, there is only one option - reload
[14:46] <belfist> ooohhh i got it
[14:46] <belfist> it messed up my panel
[14:47] <belfist> i just had to right-click a few pixels away to do that
[14:47] <belfist> ;)
[14:47] <belfist> thanks!
[14:48] <belfist> Oh, and by the way, I found the way to install World Of Warcraft on kubuntu (installation on download) and i made it work perfectly!  Someone wants to know how? :D
[14:48] <Grotz> uncomment means del "# " ?
[14:49] <belfist> @Grotz - Yes
[14:49] <Torch> belfist: double clicked the installer? ;-)
[14:49] <BluesKaj> belfist,  Vbox ?
[14:49] <bazhang> Grotz, correct
[14:49] <belfist> No, installing wow is not that simple ;D
[14:49] <belfist> I used wine, and wine tricks.
[14:49] <Torch> belfist: weird. it has been for me.
[14:50] <belfist> YOu didn't have problems with p2p downloading?
[14:50] <belfist> Launcher.exe was working fine?
[14:50] <Torch> belfist: yeah, i turned off p2p some time after 4.2 or so.
[14:50] <Torch> belfist: that problem hasn't always existed.
[14:50] <Grotz> argh, need some write rights =/
[14:50] <Torch> belfist: see the wine app db page about it.
[14:51] <belfist> I had to install directx dlls as well -
[14:51] <Torch> belfist: i don't remember doing that. also, make it use opengl.
[14:51] <belfist> That's the point!
[14:52] <Grotz> how to get the rights to edit sources.list?^^
[14:52] <belfist> when I used  "wine wow,exe -opengl" It crashed after few minutes - with segmentation fault.
[14:52] <belfist> @grotz use sude gedit <filepath>
[14:52] <belfist> i mean
[14:52] <belfist> sudo gedit <filepath>
[14:53] <bazhang> kdesu kate for kubuntu
[14:53] <belfist> And when I just used wine without opengl, It worked perefctly! On fullhd with all effects.
[14:53] <Torch> no kdesu in kubuntu ;-)
[14:53] <Torch> kdesudo it is.
[14:53] <bazhang> thanks there Torch
[14:54] <belfist> aah, youre right. I forgot sometimes, that i use kde ;D
[14:54] <belfist> I was using gnome, but installed kde. SOme programs are pissing me off.
[14:55] <belfist> For instance - when I finish downloading something by firefox, and want to open pathfile, nautilius opens ;/
[14:56] <Grotz> belfist, command gedit not found
[14:56] <Grotz> argh my fault
[14:57] <Grotz> ok not ^^
[14:57] <Grotz> cant find the command
[14:57] <BluesKaj> kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list , Grotz
[14:58] <Grotz> ah ok
[14:59] <BluesKaj> Guys don't give parial commands like kdesudo , give athe whole caommand and address the person you're directing the help by his nick please , thanks
[14:59] <BluesKaj> partial
[14:59] <belfist> Cya later guys!
[14:59]  * belfist going away
[15:08] <Grotz> muon ist starting now. thank you all for your help
[15:11] <ironfroggy> after my update to 11.10 i no longer get notifications from gtk applications properly, they come up as plain X dialogs instead, and i can't find a way to even turn them off. what might have broken in the update that i could look into?
[15:13] <BluesKaj> ironfroggy,  reset your package manager repository , and be sure to enable canonical partners
[15:13] <BluesKaj> then update and upgrade , ironfroggy
[15:14] <txomon> hi, which is the minimal package to install all the kubuntu desktop without installing kdm?
[15:16] <ironfroggy> BluesKaj: thanks, but i'm not sure where to do that exactly. i thought you were referring to some things the update might have disabled in sources.list but i dont see anything mentioning canonical
[15:16] <ironfroggy> that is, nothing that isnt already enabled.
[15:17] <BluesKaj> ironfroggy,  which kubuntu version ?
[15:18] <ironfroggy> BluesKaj: 11.10, just upgraded from 11.04
[15:20] <BluesKaj> best to open your package manager to do the changes, ironfroggy , the manager will add the deb to sources.list
[15:21] <BluesKaj> ironfroggy,  I recommend synaptic , it's the easiest to use for editing IMO
[15:21] <ironfroggy> BluesKaj: i dont use any package manager, i have always used apt-get directly
[15:22] <ironfroggy> BluesKaj: i'm still not sure what i'm actually trying to accomplish, via a package manager or directly.
[15:22] <ironfroggy> all my packages are up to date, i've got the canonical repositories included.
[15:23] <BluesKaj> ironfroggy,  well lately when upgrading , the sources.list is no longer updated with the canonical partners and 3rd part software sources , as previously...the devs want ppl to use the package manager since trying to appeal to GUI type users
[15:24] <BluesKaj> ok ironfroggy run sudo dpkg --configure -a , no output means no errors
[15:24] <ironfroggy> no errors then
[15:25] <BluesKaj> ok , ironfroggy , try an update
[15:25] <ironfroggy> have already done so, and just did it again
[15:26] <BluesKaj> ironfroggy,  pastebin your upgrade errors
[15:27] <txomon> So anyone knows here about kubuntu-desktop without the kdm?
[15:27] <ironfroggy> BluesKaj: i dont have any upgrade errors
[15:27] <ironfroggy> there is nothing to upgrade, i just did a dist-upgrade so everything is up to date.
[15:27] <Torch> txomon: probably need to try something like kdelibs and the base and workspace packages for kde
[15:28] <BluesKaj> ironfroggy,  err I mean update of course
[15:28] <Torch> txomon: also, you could install kdm and just carry on using a different login manager, but i'm sure you're aware of that
[15:29] <ironfroggy> BluesKaj: also no errors
[15:29] <txomon> Torch: I thought about installing kubuntu-desktop, but that is now what I was looking for
[15:29] <BluesKaj> ironfroggy,  if you don't have any gtk apps that need updating/upgrading then the notifier won't notify
[15:30] <txomon> Torch: also thought about kde-plasma-desktop
[15:30] <ironfroggy> BluesKaj: do you mean the triggers that setup notifications from gtk apps to the KDE notifications happen on install or update of those gtk app packages?
[15:31] <Torch> txomon: i'm afraid i can't tell you off the top of my head how these packages are laid out and you can just look that up yourself as well, don't need me to do it ;-)
[15:31] <BluesKaj> ironfroggy,  yes if you have the package manager notfier turned on
[15:32] <Torch> txomon: my advice would be install kubuntu-desktop and set whatever login manager suits you. or try kdm, it's actually very good.
[15:32] <txomon> Torch: I already tried kubuntu-desktop package, but having installed kdm, is much more weighty than lightdm
[15:34] <ironfroggy> BluesKaj: how can i make sure i have that enabled?
[15:34] <BluesKaj> txomon, a login manager isn't a big deal , just use one or the other
[15:34] <BluesKaj> ironfroggy,  check muon or apper whichever  default package mangers you have installed
[15:35] <Torch> txomon: iirc kdm is a few hundred _kilobytes_ big, is it not?
[15:35] <eeanm> is there a kubuntu repo somewhere with PublicTransport packaged?
[15:36] <txomon> Torch: yes, but interacts with my system some way, I have had quite real problems with it. Each time I boot the computer, it starts with one of them
[15:37] <Torch> txomon: like, for instance?
[15:37] <txomon> Torch: lightdm lxdm kdm
[15:37] <txomon> goes around those three
[15:37] <Torch> txomon: no, i was referring to the problems you had with kdm... which were those?
[15:38] <txomon> Torch: I don't like it ;)
[15:38] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit
[15:38] <txomon> the idea is that the *dm interact between them
[15:39] <Torch> txomon: they do?
[15:39] <BluesKaj> txomon,  if you're going to run kubuntu desktop , run kdm ...it's only there for the time you login
[15:40] <ironfroggy> BluesKaj: i'm slightly confused now, actually, but also very sorry to keep being dense about this. what does this problem have to do with the package managers, exactly?
[15:40] <txomon> BluesKaj: but I want _just_ to use lightdm
[15:40] <txomon> but ok
[15:41] <txomon> I will install kubuntu-desktop
[15:41] <txomon> hope the problem was with lxdm
[15:41] <BluesKaj> txomon,  well if lightdm doesn't work then you have to make a choice
[15:41] <txomon> BluesKaj: it does work perfectly
[15:41] <txomon> kubuntu crashes
[15:42] <Torch> txomon: i would appreciate if you just could tell us what the _problem_ really is you're trying to solve.
[15:42] <Torch> txomon: is it weight? bugs? or just weird preferences?
[15:42] <txomon> Torch: let the user choose between gnome and kde
[15:42] <BluesKaj> ironfroggy,  the package manager now also edits the sources.list , but doesn't update the repos listed there when you upgrade for some reason it's being neglected.
[15:43] <txomon> without installing superfluous packages
[15:43] <Torch> txomon: don't use kubuntu if that is top of your list.
[15:43] <txomon> it is like installing lubuntu-core
[15:44] <txomon> there is not a kubuntu-core
[15:44] <txomon> just kubuntu-desktop
[15:44] <BluesKaj> ironfroggy,  however when you update the repos in the package manager , it's actually the app that apt and dpkg look at for the sources
[15:44] <ironfroggy> also, wth
[15:45] <ironfroggy> suddenly i'm getting notifications from pidgin
[15:45] <ironfroggy> i dont know what i did that made a difference.
[15:45] <ironfroggy> but its not KDE notifications still... halfway there maybe
[15:46] <BluesKaj> ironfroggy,  after that dpkg looks at the sources.list for any ppas etc that you may have added  manually
[15:47] <txomon> so, my question, is : "Is there any minimal package containing the desktop, and not kdm etc" ?
[15:49] <Tm_T> txomon: just the desktop, no apps, tools etc?
[15:50] <Tm_T> there's package "plasma-desktop" that provides you that desktop and the panels and (basic) widgets
[15:51] <txomon> tm_T, no kdm, just no kdm
[15:53] <Tm_T> txomon: then no
[16:08] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit
[17:10] <FloodBotK2> !netsplit
[17:15] <sky100> hi
[17:15] <sky100> im new in kubuntu
[17:17] <sky100> how to refresh in kubuntu
[17:17] <Daskreech> sky100: refresh what?
[17:18] <Daskreech>  Welcome to Kubuntu :)
[17:21] <sky100> refresh the page itself
[17:21] <sky100>  im on xchat , suddenly it hanged
[17:21] <sky100> so i had to close the programme itself
[17:22] <sky100> & start it all over
[17:22] <EvilResistance> sky100, refresh the "page" itself?
[17:22] <EvilResistance> that'd imply you're on a web site
[17:22] <EvilResistance> if you mean restart a program, you just did it right
[17:22] <Daskreech> EvilResistance: no it doesn't
[17:23] <EvilResistance> Daskreech, given they stated "xchat" the term "page" does not apply
[17:23] <Daskreech> Applications can have pages without being in the interwebs :)
[17:23] <Daskreech> Channel might be a better term :)
[17:23] <sky100> like in WINDOWS  we used to press F or right click the mouse to get refresh option
[17:23] <EvilResistance> not in xchat.
[17:23] <sky100> f5
[17:23] <sky100> F5 *
[17:24] <EvilResistance> sky100, i'm a tiny bit confuzled with what you're having the problem in.  In what program is this error occurring?
[17:24] <Daskreech> Xchat :)
[17:24] <EvilResistance> there is no refresh option in xchat
[17:24] <EvilResistance> never has been
[17:24] <sky100> no not in xchat
[17:24] <EvilResistance> sky100, firefox?
[17:24] <ktmiradio> irc://irc.freenode.net/#rivendell
[17:24] <Daskreech> sky100: Though if Xchat is hung (i.e. doesn't respond to anything) then trying ot refresh it won't make a difference. Since it's not responding
[17:24] <sky100> im speaking on the KUBUNTU os
[17:25] <Daskreech> sky100: depends on the application in question. Konversation doesn't have a refresh pers e
[17:25] <Daskreech> though if you flip to a different channel and flip back then it will redraw the view
[17:26] <sky100> Daskreech, : i was just searching for a refresh option in KUBUNTU
[17:26] <Daskreech> sky100: Ah for the whole screen?
[17:26] <sky100> yup
[17:26] <Daskreech> alt+shift+F12 would work
[17:26] <sky100> cool
[17:26] <Daskreech> Tecnically that turns desktop effects on and off
[17:26] <sky100> ok ty Daskreech
[17:26] <Daskreech> but it also redraws the whole screen
[17:27] <sky100> i see
[17:27] <sky100> as the Xchat suddenly hanged , so i wanted to close the programme but it was not even getting closed..
[17:28] <sky100> so I had restart the computer
[17:28] <sky100> i had to *
[17:29] <EvilResistance> hmm... i wonder if that's anything similar to what happens on my systems when sectors start dying en masse...
[17:29] <EvilResistance> since i have random hangs when my hard drive isheaded to its death...
[17:29] <Daskreech> sky100: could you open a new program?
[17:29] <sky100> Daskreech, : yeah i can
[17:30] <sky100> as I started the pc
[17:30] <sky100> re*
[17:30] <Daskreech> sky100: if you click the X button and wait 30 or so seconds then the program will give you the option to close it
[17:30] <sky100> ok
[17:30] <Daskreech> If that still doesn't work you can press alt+ctrl+Esc to get the Kill Cursor
[17:30] <Daskreech> Click on anything and it will kill it
[17:31] <sithlord48> hello #kubuntu!
[17:31] <Daskreech> EvilResistance: Possibly. if it's the same sector dying then the same program will always hang. If it's your RAM dying well then you get disco balls of lights and fury
[17:31] <Daskreech> Hi sithlord48
[17:32] <sithlord48> whats going on today out there in kubuntu land?
[17:32] <sky100> Daskreech,  i tried that Kill cursor
[17:32] <EvilResistance> Daskreech, and if your hardware is burning itself, you have the potential to have a mysterious ball of blue smoke coming out of the computer :P
[17:32] <sithlord48> its called xkill (so you know in the future)
[17:32] <sky100> & by mistake i applied on desktop..
[17:32] <sky100> now i cant see any icon on desktop
[17:32] <sky100> :|
[17:33] <sky100> how to get it back
[17:33] <sithlord48> sky100: you want to press alt+f2 (for run box) then run "plasma-desktop"
[17:33] <Daskreech> sky100: press alt+F2 and type plasma-desktop
[17:33] <Daskreech> Press esc to cancel the Kill Cursor
[17:33] <sky100> yup
[17:33] <Daskreech> don't click on the desktop :)
[17:34] <sky100> got back
[17:34] <Daskreech> sithlord48: KDE 4.8!
[17:34] <sithlord48> 12.04 alpha over here
[17:34] <Daskreech> EvilResistance: I had blue electricity shoot out the back of the powersupply. No Smoke yet
[17:34] <sithlord48> on my netbook , running so very nice (11.10 on desktop w/ kde 4.8 too)
[17:34] <Daskreech> sithlord48: Well then install KDE 4.9 :-p
[17:35] <EvilResistance> Daskreech, i was working on a client's computer, and was going to power-test the power supply so I had it open (I am trained to work on them), and one of the big capacitors explodified right in my face
[17:35] <sithlord48> thats bad.
[17:35] <Daskreech> Ha! take that degree!! I laugh in the face of paper!
[17:36] <Daskreech> Hopefully you were not close to it when it did that
[17:36] <Daskreech> clay type capacitors can be really sharp
[17:36] <sky100>  ty so much Daskreech
[17:36] <EvilResistance> i was... close... but not injured
[17:37] <EvilResistance> well that's not true... i had an injury to my hand
[17:37] <EvilResistance> a decent sized burn
[17:37] <sithlord48> i got one of those once from getting battery goop on my hand , not fun ..
[17:39] <EvilResistance> yours was an acid burn.  mine was an explosion burn
[17:39] <EvilResistance> *shrugs*
[17:39] <sithlord48> oh was thinking you got chem burn from cap goop
[17:39] <EvilResistance> nope, the thing literally exploded
[17:39] <EvilResistance> while hooked up to 120v power
[17:39] <EvilResistance> so...
[17:39] <EvilResistance> that explains the explosion, but i should have been able to just tell...
[17:40] <EvilResistance> by looking at the caps on the capacitors...
[17:40] <EvilResistance> they were puffy xD
[17:40] <sithlord48> yes we replace lots of parts @ my job cause of failed caps. but no one ever wants to listen to me when i say its a cap solder a new one on and save the <insane board price>
[17:41] <Daskreech> sky100: Sure :) anything else you would like to know?
[17:42] <sky100> will try to know a lot , Daskreech , but as for now its all ok
[17:42] <sky100> ty for your co-operation
[17:42] <sky100> im all new to whole LINUX stuff
[17:43] <sithlord48> its ok we were all new at some point
[17:43] <sky100> so will be having issues on a regular basis ....
[17:43] <sky100> oh , yea sithlord48
[17:43] <sithlord48> don't treat it like a windows machine , and learn anew :D
[17:43] <sky100> ty for kind words
[17:44] <Daskreech> sky100: welcome to Linux and KDE as well :)
[17:44] <sky100> yeah.. thats what is the first thing to learn...
[17:44] <EvilResistance> sithlord48, you do have to be careful with some of those things... soldering a new cap onto an already-failed capacitor can be bad sometimes
[17:44] <EvilResistance> namely due to the capacitor needing replacing
[17:44] <sky100>  TY Daskreech
[17:45] <sithlord48> oh yes i ment whole capacitor
[17:47] <Daskreech> sky100: Are you used to XChat?
[17:47] <sithlord48> im no electronics expert when it comes to soldering or making circets but i have the basics down , more a computer science type
[17:47] <EvilResistance> sithlord48, yeah, but with power supplies you sometimes have to replace the whole board
[17:47] <EvilResistance> or the entire PSU
[17:47] <sky100> yep Daskreech
[17:47] <sky100> im using xchat
[17:47] <Daskreech> sky100: Ah figured :)
[17:47] <EvilResistance> mainly because exploding capacitors usually short themselves out after the explosion
[17:47] <sithlord48> mine are usually on motor pwb and stuff like that. i fix office equpment like copiers, printers, etc..
[17:49] <sithlord48> sky100:  how long u been using kubuntu for ? and this is your first linux distro?
[17:49] <Daskreech> sky100: as a friendly tip use alt+F2 it will make your life much happier
[17:49] <sithlord48> yes krunner (what alt+f2 opens) is very usefull
[17:50] <sithlord48> i found out that i can control amarok from it the other day by typing in a song i want to hear . from my collection, it doesn't even have to be in the playlist.
[17:50] <sky100> BRB
[17:50] <sky100> ON PHONE
[17:51] <sithlord48> does anyone here use SPDIF (optical) for sound output?
[17:51] <sithlord48> j/w what possible issues im gonna have when i try to use my new headphones w/ my computer.
[17:58] <sky100> sithlord48, : im using kubuntu for last one month or so...
[17:58] <sky100> & this is my 1st distro
[17:59] <sky100> though i tried with PCLINUXOS
[17:59] <sky100> but could not configure my wireless broadband on it
[17:59] <sky100> so had to desert it ..
[17:59] <Daskreech> So second but first one you could stick with
[17:59] <sky100> yup
[18:00] <Daskreech> One month is a good time. Gets you used to a lot of things
[18:02] <sky100> gradually im getting used to...
[18:02] <sky100> Daskreech, im enjoying it...
[18:02] <sky100> brb
[18:02] <Daskreech> ok
[18:04] <sky100> so will be hopping in here frequently, Daskreech
[18:04] <sky100> :d
[18:04] <Daskreech> Great :) if you see me on you can just ping me
[18:05] <sky100> SURE Daskreech
[18:24] <bo> hey
[18:24] <Daskreech> hay
[18:25] <markus> moin
[18:25] <Daskreech> hi
[18:58] <sky100> ok Daskreech , ty again ..
[18:58] <Daskreech> Sure
[18:58] <sky100> cya soon
[18:58] <Daskreech> Bye :)
[18:58] <sky100> Bye...
[18:59] <sky100> will be interested to know to work on a VM
[18:59] <sky100> can ya helo me on that on my next visit ?
[18:59] <sky100> help*
[19:01] <Daskreech> sky100: sure. install virtualbox
[19:01] <Daskreech> !info virtualbox
[19:02] <sky100> ok im all noober abt VM
[19:02]  * picogalli has quit
[19:02] <sky100> so pls help me out on this on tomorrow..
[19:02] <Daskreech> sky100: try it out. It's pretty simple to follow once you know what a VM is
[19:02] <sky100> ok
[19:03] <Daskreech> But of course if you need s-more help that's what we are all here for
[19:03] <sky100> its an OS in OS
[19:03] <Daskreech> It's an OS in a computer in an OS :)
[19:03] <Daskreech> The M part of VM is important
[19:03] <sky100> ok
[19:04] <sky100> iit cnsumes a lot of mem
[19:04] <sky100> consumes*
[19:04] <sky100> im running with 1.25GB of RAM
[19:07] <Daskreech> Well that's part of having a machine in a machine. You need enough resources for it
[19:07] <Daskreech> You can try qemu but that's much more difficult to understand
[19:08] <sohussain> hey! need a recommendations on creating a backup of my locally installed OS
[19:08] <sohussain> need rec..*
[19:08] <sky100> like i said i have 1.25GB of RAM
[19:09] <Daskreech> well make a VM with 300 Megs of RAM then. Not sure what you can do to playwith that but you can do a headless LInux for example
[19:09] <Daskreech> sohussain: What are you backing up?
[19:11] <sohussain> basically i would like to create a backup of my local Os i.e. Kubuntu 11.10, i have seperated my "Home" to another partition, so the backup should be small enough
[19:12] <Daskreech> !backup
[19:12] <sky100> ok Daskreech
[19:12] <sky100> GNIGHT
[19:12] <sky100> tc , cya
[19:12] <Daskreech> Good nigh
[19:14] <sohussain> could you recommend one which would be appropriate to create a one time backup, which could be restored if ever my OS blows up?
[19:15] <sohussain> i.e. backup to maybe a new parition or external USB drive
[19:15] <Daskreech> !cloning
[19:16] <Daskreech> might be easier and then just backup your /etc
[19:16] <Daskreech> but bacula is pretty good
[19:16] <Daskreech> !info bacula
[19:17] <sohussain> Thank you, would that also back up my drivers and system setting?
[19:18] <BluesKaj> bacula has a lot of options according to it's description in synaptic
[19:20] <sohussain> Thnak you, i'll di right in :)
[19:20] <sohussain> dig*
[19:30] <excognac> hi all
[19:32] <sohussain> hi
[19:33] <Daskreech> hai
[20:34] <heinkel_111> hey, just a question: in kubuntu, what is the recommended file location for files to be shared between many users?
[20:34] <heinkel_111> i am configuring a media server daemon
[20:34] <heinkel_111> need to share media files such as music, video, pictures on the local network
[20:35] <heinkel_111> the media server runs on its own user name (as a daemon usually does afaik(
[20:37] <Daskreech> in /usr ?
[20:38] <Daskreech> Unless you are updating it often then /var
[20:39] <heinkel_111> Daskreech: would you stuff the music files into a /usr/media/music, for example?
[20:39] <heinkel_111> or /usr/share/media/music?
[20:39] <em> What is the difference between kubuntu-restricted-extras and kubuntu-restricted-addons ?
[20:39] <Daskreech> I'd do it under share
[20:40] <Daskreech> !info kubuntu-restricted-addons
[20:40] <Daskreech> em: I think they are the same
[20:40] <Kimlaroux> if the media server runs on it's own username, why not place the stuff into it's home directory?
[20:41] <em> !info kubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:41] <em> they seem different.
[20:41] <em> one is version 8 and one is version 56
[20:42] <Kimlaroux> em, http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/kubuntu-restricted-addons
[20:42] <Kimlaroux> "You should not install this package directly, but instead install the kubuntu-restricted-extras package."
[20:42] <heinkel_111> Daskreech: alternative options, keep the files in home directory of each individual user and make them accessible to a group which can be read by the mediaserver daemon. Is that more tidy?
[20:43] <em> Kimlaroux: oh wow. I wonder why
[20:43] <Kimlaroux> bah, this is Ubuntu, it's often better not to ask about those things
[20:44] <Daskreech> em: I think they just changed the name of the package and kept the old one around in case anyone is doing updates
[20:44] <Daskreech> heinkel_111: If it's an aggregate solution I suppose you could do that
[20:45] <Daskreech> em: so compatibilty for people upgrading from old LTS releases
[20:45] <em> Why is kubuntu-restricted-extras installing all this lib32 stuff when my machine is a 64 bit machine?
[20:46] <Kimlaroux> are you running 64 bits ubuntu?
[20:47] <em> Kimlaroux: I sure hope so. How can I be sure?
[20:47] <em> Linux leibniz 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:24 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:47] <Kimlaroux> uname -a
[20:47] <em> that's what Ive got there ^
[20:48] <Kimlaroux> meh, then it's installing the 32 bits libs because there arent's 64 bits libs available
[20:48] <em> Kimlaroux: but will those conflict with my 64 bit libs?
[20:48] <Kimlaroux> I don't know, I try to avoid installing 32 bit stuff
[20:48] <em> Kimlaroux: I dont want to install kubuntu-restricted-extras and have it break my ability to install drivers and such later on.
[20:50] <Daskreech> em: it won't conflict
[20:50] <Daskreech> Some things like Skype are "64bit" but use all 32 Bit libs so it installs them in parallel
[20:50] <Kimlaroux> bah it's probably installing media-related libs, so it shouldn't give you system-related problems
[20:50] <Daskreech> In any case having both isn't really an issue other than space and memory if they are being used
[20:56] <em> is there a way to get most of kubuntu-restricted-extras but not ms-corefonts ?
[20:56] <em> why do i need ms-corefonts?
[20:57] <maco> so if you open a Word doc in LibreOffice the fonts are the same size and it doesn't reflow the text, breaking formatting
[20:57] <maco> but nowadays with teh Liberation fonts you can avoid that anyway
[20:58] <em> maco: well that's a very good answer thanks.
[21:01] <em> maco: Do you think there is any particular worry about installing Kubuntu restricted extras even though it will install many lib32* on my 64 bit machine?
[21:02] <maco> no
[21:02] <maco> having 32bit libs in addition to 64bit ones is how you run non-64-native applications, like flash
[21:03] <Daskreech> and "64 bit" Skype
[21:03] <Daskreech> and .. well anything that's closed and be extension stupid
[21:03] <Daskreech> s/be/by/
[21:06] <excognac> hello
[21:07] <excognac> Is this serious> OpenGL compositing (the default) has crashed KWin in the past.?
[21:10] <Daskreech> excognac: Maybe. What version of KDE are you using?
[21:11] <excognac> Daskreech: 4.8
[21:13] <Daskreech> Hmm might be a little worrying but let it run and see
[21:16] <excognac> no no no
[21:17] <excognac> sorry, i don't understand why but kde4-config -v says 4.7.4
[21:19] <K350> when I upgraded to 11.10 there was a cool thing that could change workspace  in a compiz sort of style way.  Now I lost it. Anyone what that might have been?
[21:22] <Torch> K350: systemsettings -> desktop effects -> all effects ?
[21:23] <K350> Torch: HHm, yea, but wich one of them?? any idea?
[21:24] <Daskreech> excognac: umm wasn't updated?
[21:25] <asfyxia> excognac, if you have the standard 11.10, you'll have 4.7.4. For 4.8 you'll have to install it with a PPA
[21:25] <excognac> Daskreech: Well, as far as I remember it was!!!! i don't know why. How to update it?
[21:25] <Daskreech> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ? :)
[21:26] <excognac> just did]
[21:26] <excognac> not updated
[21:26] <excognac> so, I'll go for it now but only through ppa then?
[21:27] <Daskreech> well if you go to an application and go help -> about KDE it shoudl tell you what version of KDELibs you are using
[21:27] <Daskreech> which shuld be what kde4config reports as well
[21:27] <asfyxia> excognac: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:28] <excognac> asfyxia: thanks
[21:29] <asfyxia> from this site: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/01/kde-48-released-install-it-in-kubuntu.html
[21:29] <bfig> hello, i'm having trouble booting the amd64 image. the boot menu looks fine, then the cd starts convulsing with a black screen
[21:29] <Torch> K350: depends on what you want. desktop cube, maybe.
[21:29] <Torch> K350: "like compiz" doesn't mean anything to me (or any kwin user)
[21:31] <Daskreech> bfig: I'm guessing it's a AMD64 machine ?
[21:32] <K350> Torch: looks like they're enabld. But kwin is not my windowmanager now. How do I make it my defautl mannager, it's not in the list in systemsettings.
[21:33] <Torch> K350: can't you just check "use the default kde window manager"?
[21:34] <bfig> Daskreech, yes. i figured it had something to do with kms
[21:34] <bfig> ie, it didn't work with debian either, but i don't know with which parameters i should boot. any suggestion?
[21:34] <Daskreech> bfig: if it helps -generic will do 64 bit if your hardware supports it
[21:35] <bfig> Daskreech, is there a way to avoid kms?
[21:35] <Torch> bfig: nosplash, i think
[21:35] <bfig> just add that to the boot line
[21:35] <bfig> ??
[21:35] <Torch> bfig: as a kernel parameter, yes.
[21:36] <bfig> gonna try, thanks
[21:36] <bfig> be back in a second if it didn't work >_>
[21:45] <bfig> Torch, didn't work
[21:47] <Torch> bfig: what happened? you should have at least seen some messages now.
[21:48] <bfig> nope :|
[21:49] <bfig> screen goes black, convulsing just as before
[21:51] <Torch> http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting
[21:51] <Daskreech> Perhaps noacpi ?
[21:51] <Torch> this suggest "nomodeset" might help....
[21:51] <Torch> Daskreech: what would acpi have to do with it at that point in the boot procedure, though?
[21:53] <MaxHR> How can I get Plasma Active installed on kubuntu?
[21:53]  * Daskreech shrugs. Only thing I could think of that would make the screen go crazy
[21:53] <Daskreech> other than driver issues which shouldn't be that prevalent that early in the boot (I mean you had video before)
[21:56] <Torch> Daskreech: i would assume the kernel initializes the video card first of all... and this is what goes wrong for bfig... no?
[21:57] <bfig> Torch, i would guess. a friend told me it had to do with kms (since for example, in 2.4 i don't need to touch anything related to this)
[21:58] <excognac_> phew. 4.8 rocks. Special thanks to Daskreech and asfyxia
[21:58] <Torch> bfig: well, try the nomodeset parameter then
[21:58] <bfig> what about splash? should i erase that?
[21:59] <Torch> bfig: the nosplash parameter? no, keep it. it might come in handy to diagnose errors later on.
[21:59] <Torch> bfig: you can still remvove it once everything is working smoothly
[22:00] <bfig> ok, but what does the 'splash' do (ie, i need to have at least one of them right?)
[22:00] <Torch> bfig: splash means you don't see the diagnostic messages during boot.
[22:00] <bfig> ohh awesome
[22:00] <bfig> so nomodeset nosplash
[22:00] <Torch> bfig: but just some graphical animation of some progress bar thingy
[22:00] <bfig> no '-' ?
[22:00] <Torch> bfig: i'd go with that
[22:00] <Torch> bfig: nope
[22:01] <bfig> great. gonna try again :). thanks!
[22:01]  * bfig takes the dive
[22:02] <excognac_> just one consistent problem: I have my home folder on separate partition, and a another distro sharing this home folder on a third partition. Before the splash screen appears there is an error message on the top: couldn't mount the mentioned partitions
[22:05] <Daskreech> I probably wouldn't try sharing a home partition like that
[22:06] <Daskreech> upgrades on some packages could change configurations in the ~ that would make it impossible to be read by the older packages on the other distro
[22:23] <bfig> Torch, nomodeset nosplash works but no graphical mode
[22:25] <Torch> bfig: yes, not surpsringly. but that can be fixed.
[22:25] <Torch> bfig: what's your graphics card?
[22:25] <bfig> one sec
[22:27] <bfig> 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Device 9641
[22:27] <bfig>  <- Torch
[22:30] <Torch> bfig: happen to have this notebook or something similar: http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Samsung/Series%203%20305V5A%20S01/wheezy
[22:41]  * Daskreech kicks chucknorris
[22:41] <chucknorris> lol
[22:41] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit
[22:41] <chucknorris> not wise at all!
[22:42]  * chucknorris roundhouse kicks Daskreech
[22:46]  * Daskreech lands back here after circumnavigating the planet
[22:47] <bfig> Torch, i am speaking from wheezy with the non free driver installed
[22:47] <bfig> Torch, to be honest, i just want to repartition the hard drive and i needed a livecd :D
[22:49] <Daskreech> bfig: hmm?
[22:49] <bfig> Daskreech, ?
[22:50] <Daskreech> You need to burn a live CD?
[22:50] <bfig> Daskreech, what do you mean?
[22:51] <Daskreech> You said you want to repartition the drive and you need a live CD
[22:51] <bfig> yes... i just need to resize the OS partition
[22:52] <Kimlaroux> Anyone knows of an alternative to soundKonverter amarok script that works with amarok 2?
[22:54] <Daskreech> bfig: And you ahve no live CD?
[22:54] <bfig> i have... but up to now i couldn't boot it... now i can boot it but can't access gparted, so i'll have to find a way to resize the partitions from command line
[22:54] <bfig> Daskreech, ^
[22:54] <Daskreech> ?
[22:54] <Daskreech> ah
[22:55] <Daskreech> try partitionmanager ?
[22:55] <Daskreech>  !Info partitionmanager
[22:55] <bfig> !Info partitionmanager
[22:55] <bfig> !info partitionmanager
[22:57] <bfig> Daskreech, anything in the kubuntu livecD?
[22:57] <Daskreech> parted ?
[22:58] <bfig> does it come default?
[22:58] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[22:59] <Daskreech> Better :-)
[22:59] <Daskreech> That's what does the resize when you install Kubuntu
[23:01] <bfig> so what do you recommend? should i use the installer to resize the partitions or just 'try' with nomodeset nosplash and commando it up?
[23:03] <KC-45> hmm
[23:03] <Torch> bfig: if the installer works, why not use it?
[23:03] <Torch> bfig: i wasn't even aware it could do that.
[23:04] <KC-45> Daskreech....katapult ninja?..lol
[23:05]  * Daskreech silences KC-45 with a rubber band launched Ninja star
[23:06] <Daskreech> bfig: the issue is on the Live CD you have no GUI?
[23:06] <Daskreech>  Did you start up in safe video mode?
[23:08] <jschall> any issues with the backports ppa?
[23:10] <jschall> any issues with the backports ppa, on a scale of "nothing ever crashes now, even the program i specifically designed to segfault" to "oh god, there's smoke coming out of my computer?"
[23:15] <alith> hello!
[23:15] <alith> anyone here?
[23:16] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit
[23:18] <alith> I need a little help: I can't manage to get the notification behaving exactly like I want... I found my way in customizing the notification, but didn't find a way to do exactly what I need for kopete.
[23:18] <alith> I'd like to have a popup notification whenever a contact change his/her status
[23:19] <alith> but I don't want it to be stored in the notification widget from the taskbar
[23:20] <alith> (if I go away for say 2 hours, and since I've got 230 contacts in facebook, I will have 300 unuseful notifications... including a lot of: this guy has become available, this same guy is now offline)
[23:21] <alith> I don't know if it is a problem that I can resolve with the way the notification are sent, but I don't think so.
[23:22] <alith> What I was thinking about is to make a little script deleting the notification (or marking it as read) after a while, and calling it every time this type of notification is send.
[23:23] <alith> But I have no idea of how to delete/mark as read a notification
[23:23] <alith> or how to retrieve the specific notification
[23:23] <alith> Anyone Any idea?