=== kalosaurusrex is now known as albrigha [04:21] hello [04:21] i am trying to make bootable linux usb [04:21] Hi harris, a better place to ask would be the #ubuntu channel, as this is a meeting channel. [04:22] nobody is on number ubuntu [04:23] There are a few people there helping, including myself. Just ask. :) [04:24] harris, you need to join the channel first. [04:25] typing "/join #ubuntu" (but with no quote marks) should do it for most irc clients. [05:48] 12 min. left [05:49] lets see how many shows up. [05:49] I'm here [05:51] * coffeecat is here [05:56] Anyone here for the Ubuntu Forums Council Meeting ? [05:56] o/ [05:56] * coffeecat is here [05:56] 'lo AI =) [05:56] * cariboo907 is here [05:56] coffeecat, [05:56] * Iowan is un-absent for a change [05:57] 3 min or so, I thought s-fox could make the meeting [05:58] Agenda : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda [06:03] OK, sorry was distracted here for a minute [06:03] #startmeeting [06:03] Meeting started Wed Feb 1 06:03:53 2012 UTC. The chair is bodhizazen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [06:03] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [06:04] Again, who is here for the meeting =) [06:04] o/ [06:04] o/ [06:04] o/ [06:04] o/ [06:04] o/ [06:04] Mörgæs o/ [06:04] o/ [06:05] I would like to go a bit out of order w/ the agenda [06:05] First, thank you all around [06:05] Thanks to the FC members who servered in the past, and thank you to the New FC members [06:06] And thank you to the mod staff =) [06:06] Is ripfox here ? [06:06] [topic]Reverse Ripfox Ban === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Reverse Ripfox Ban [06:07] Anyone here want to discuss Ripfox ? [06:07] is he aware of this meeting today? [06:07] Probably not [06:08] I would say we can give Ripfox the benefit of the doubt here, and reverse the ban [06:08] But it is probably a little too late [06:08] What caused it? [06:08] next time in such situation we need to send an e-mail to the person(s). [06:08] * bodhizazen looks [06:09] I just checked Ripfox's history in the RC, he seems to have had problems with moderation since 2008 [06:09] Ripfox - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?threadid=1881936 [06:11] Here is the thread in the RC - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1877662 [06:11] There were a number of strange RC threads in 2008 and then nothing until the Unity trolling business in 2011 [06:12] We can give him a second chance. [06:12] I'd opt for "converting" the 15 pointer to 5 [06:12] +1 for a second chance [06:12] Well, the unity issue came up at sort of a bad time - I think most of the staff was sort of sick of it already [06:13] [VOTE] Ripfox a second chance [06:13] Please vote on: Ripfox a second chance [06:13] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [06:13] +1 [06:13] +1 received from bodhizazen [06:13] +1 [06:13] +1 received from coffeecat [06:13] +1 [06:13] +1 received from Artificial_Intel [06:13] +1 [06:13] +1 received from cariboo907 [06:13] +1 [06:13] +1 received from Iowan [06:13] 0 [06:13] 0 received from moergaes [06:13] [ENDVOTE] Ripfox a second chance [06:13] Voting ended on: Ripfox a second chance [06:13] Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 [06:13] Motion carried [06:13] OK aynone willing to PM / email Ripfox ? [06:14] I will... [06:14] Thanks, I reversed the infraction [06:15] [ACTION] Ban revered on Ripfox, Iowan to send PM / E-mail [06:15] ACTION: Ban revered on Ripfox, Iowan to send PM / E-mail [06:15] [TOPIC]Buffalo Soldier Sub-forum request === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Buffalo Soldier Sub-forum request [06:16] [LINK]http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1891534 [06:16] Buffalo Soldier or s-fox ? [06:17] I would say +1 if Buffalo makes contact with Canonical first, but I am not sure how far along the process is [06:17] How was it about having a general sub-forum for preinstalled Buntu? [06:18] I mean, there could be many requests from small companies for a similar forum. [06:19] * cariboo907 +1, but I'd like to see him go through Canonical [06:19] Exactly [06:19] or forums with with subs for each companies, like we have loco forums. Then we avoid mess [06:19] I like the idea of promoting pre-installed Ubuntu / Linux, but I am uncomfortable with promoting this vs that product [06:20] If we promote a product, IMO, it should be in conjunction with Canonical [06:20] aye [06:20] agreed [06:20] As far as I'm concerned we (the forum) shouldn't play favourites [06:20] I presume it was Canonical who established the current manufacturer sub forums [06:21] [VOTE]Ask Buffalo soldier to contact Canonical and get back to us [06:21] Please vote on: Ask Buffalo soldier to contact Canonical and get back to us [06:21] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [06:21] * cariboo907 agrees [06:21] Yes Iowan [06:21] +1 [06:21] +1 received from bodhizazen [06:21] +1 [06:21] +1 received from cariboo907 [06:21] +1 [06:21] 1 [06:21] +1 received from coffeecat [06:21] +1 [06:21] +1 received from Artificial_Intel [06:21] +1 [06:21] +1 received from Iowan [06:21] +1 [06:21] +1 received from moergaes [06:21] [ENDVOTE] [06:21] Voting ended on: Ask Buffalo soldier to contact Canonical and get back to us [06:21] Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [06:21] Motion carried [06:21] Anyone willing to contact Buffalo soldier ? [06:22] I can do it. [06:22] * cariboo907 will [06:22] [ACTION]Ask buffalo soldier to contact canonical and get back to us [06:22] ACTION: Ask buffalo soldier to contact canonical and get back to us [06:22] I think cariboo907 would be best =) [06:22] [TOPIC] CC meeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: CC meeting [06:23] It would be ideal if at least one FC could attend CC meetings =) [06:23] They are at odd times (last I looked) an it will be difficult for me to attend [06:24] We could rotate (see last item on agenda) [06:24] I haven't looked to see what time the meetings are at, so I can't say [06:25] * cariboo907 checked, I can probably make it [06:25] Along those lines, would be nice to see FC and staff promote ubuntu within other community venues - LP, wiki, IRC, ask ubuntu, and there is a community channel ?? [06:25] I'd be happy to attend, if time/date/memory all cooperate. [06:25] last time I checked, their meetings are around 2-3 o'clock in the morning for me, so I'll have difficulties to attend. [06:25] Any more comments on CC meetings ? [06:26] the meetings are on the 1st and 3rd thursday at 17:00 UTC [06:26] Exactly AI , the CC meets at inconvenient to all sorts of times [06:26] I am going to skip to ZaReason sub forums [06:27] [TOPIC] [06:27] ZaReason Sub-Forum Idea === Topic unset by meetingology on #ubuntu-meeting [06:27] Probably same as with Buffalo soldiger [06:27] aye [06:27] Have we had any "official" contact from Zareason or Canonical ? [06:27] no news on that front? [06:27] +1 to that [06:27] Didn't ZaReason already contact Canonical? [06:28] [ACTION]s-fox to follow up on Zareason =) [06:28] ACTION: s-fox to follow up on Zareason =) [06:28] [TOPIC]Community building ideas === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Community building ideas [06:29] I would like to see more positive / support / social interactions with staff and community , and not all fighting with trolls and spam-ban [06:29] I was approched by effenberg0x0 about creating a bit of a community around the ubuntu +1 sub-forum [06:29] Any ideas on how to promote community spirit of forums ? [06:30] That would be great cariboo907 [06:30] I have been working on the ask ubuntu community [06:30] interact in lighthearted topics in café, not only in the one that can explode any time soon. [06:30] effenberg0x0 and I are conducting a classroom session at UDW so i'll discuss it with him further [06:31] ask ubuntu often refers conversations from ask ubuntu -> ubuntu fourms , I have make them aware we do not appreciate some of the topics though =) [06:32] Also, staff in general should be aware of #ubuntu-community-team [06:32] unfortunately I have to leave for work, so I'll say good day to all [06:32] It is sort of a gathering IRC channel for various people in various leadership positions across the community [06:33] any exampel of this? [06:33] example of what Artificial_Intel ? [06:33] "ask ubuntu often refers conversations from ask ubuntu -> ubuntu fourms , I have make them aware we do not appreciate some of the topics though" [06:34] I would have to dig some up .. [06:34] * bodhizazen looks [06:35] http://askubuntu.com/questions/100407/how-to-improve-the-launcher-and-the-menus-usability [06:35] See comments [06:36] "I don't know where the right place for Unity feedback is, but this isn't it." Sounds familiar! [06:37] An Unity sub forum? [06:37] http://askubuntu.com/questions/100288/things-to-do-on-ubuntu-to-get-experienced [06:37] "This sort of discussion is a better fit for the Ubuntu Forums. – Jorge Castro 10 hours ago " [06:38] That sort of thing Artificial_Intel and coffeecat [06:38] just FYI [06:38] yea, there's no need to send the garbage to UF [06:38] If I see a referral of a conversation that is more obviously trolling I object =) [06:39] Yea, for now monitor it, there is some cross posting between ask ubuntu and the forums, support as well as conversation [06:39] Community spirit. How about involving the Ubuntu members (through forum contributions)? [06:39] It is not as if we notice the referrals from ask ubuntu , the cafe is busy enough that IMO it is not a problem [06:40] +1 coffeecat [06:40] I would like to suggest adding 1-2 staff 1 month prior to a release [06:41] and ask less active ones to step down, sort of keeps the staff and community working together and lessens burn out [06:41] Criteria? [06:41] Any other community building suggestions ? [06:41] Criteria - Ubuntu fourms members + positive contributions [06:42] :) [06:42] do not have criteria for stepping down ... [06:42] Any other comments on community building ? [06:43] I just wanted you all to keep in mind , we are community leaders, and we should make an effort to grow the community, recognize the positive contributions of othes , and work with the other community leaders [06:43] A common comment on many teams in the community is isolation =) [06:44] Can't we put this topic up in Staff chit chat. [06:44] I did not necessarily think we would have a "solution" to this "problem" and I wish s-fox were here ;P [06:44] I'm still mulling over Ubuntu members. [06:44] go for it Artificial_Intel [06:44] Don't have a conc rete suggestion. [06:44] [TOPIC]Division of Labor === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Division of Labor [06:45] It is sad to say, the FC has grown inactive in the last few months for a variety of reasons. [06:45] I was wondering if it might be helpful to divide the tasks and "assign" certain tasks to certain members [06:46] We could rotate tasks or not [06:46] seems like a goode idea to try it out [06:47] I posted an initial "to do" list here : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1912368 [06:47] A to-do list would be helpful [06:47] was hoping for any other suggestions I might have missed [06:47]

We can then assign FC - these two, Ubuntu membership - those two, etc [06:48] I did not want to start assigning the tasks just yet, but suggest we start this month ? [06:48] One person can approve mailings to the FC mailing list, etc [06:49] We can touch base on assigning tasks in chit chat ? [06:49] Which tasks are in deepest need - or are most? [06:49] Hello [06:49] How about if everyone selects something to do this month =) [06:49] Yes [06:50] Deepest need - we need to , IMO [06:50] 1. assess staff needs [06:50] I don't mind having RC. I interact with people on professional level daily. [06:50] 2. start up on the monthly team report [06:50] do you all know what that is ? [06:51] I can do #2 [06:51] OK [06:51] i just reviewed it... [06:52] [LINK]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports [06:52] [LINK]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports/December2011 [06:52] We also need to get ubuntu forms members going pronto [06:52] Encourage applications [06:52] approve applications [06:53] I would like to volunteer for UBuntu members processes [06:53] http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=404 [06:53] OK coffeecat [06:53] How about if you review the pending applications [06:53] I'd like to help with FC mailing list. [06:53] post in chit chat, [06:53] Ones to approve [06:53] Ones to decline [06:53] Yes - I;ve been thinking about related matters too. [06:53] and ones you need help with [06:54] We have a backlog to process. +1 on getting on top of it [06:54] The only one I think we need to discuss is wolfen69 [06:54] Keep in mind, eventually , if not now, all future staff have to be members [06:55] Have we added a participation (calendar) reuiement? [06:55] Encourage all your friends and people with helpful posts you see to apply [06:55] We should ask the entire staff to invite [06:56] How about if FC members post what tasks they will take this month here : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1912368 [06:56] Then start a discussion thread on your topic / issue in scc [06:56] [TOPIC]wolfen69 for membership === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: wolfen69 for membership [06:57] Any suggestions re: wolfen69 ? [06:57] Anyone want to vote on wolfen69 ? [06:57] I have no problem with it. People make mistakes, people can change. [06:58] I have already posted my reservations, so I'll not repeat them here... [06:58] I will acknowledge his posting style can be edgy, but it does not bother me [06:58] moergaes, please summarize them =) [06:58] One second, let me search... [06:58] I would not ask if I did not want input [06:58] It is no worse than HTL bodhizazen [06:59] HTL ? [06:59] I honestly think wolfen69 has "community support" [06:59] Here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11556560&postcount=29 [07:00] No infractions/warnings since april '09 [07:00] I would say approve him, but let him know we expect that he be mindful of his posting style as he now represents the community [07:00] Sorry, i was thinking of the old username. Now flies by Bachstelze [07:00] bodhizazen, I think we ought to have a formal vote/discussion on each applicant in http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=406 As quickly as possible, obviously. [07:00] /s/flies/goes [07:01] OIC, +1 to that s-fox, the problem with HTL was that he as also staff [07:01] Want to run through it now ? [07:01] "Problem" - haha [07:01] Or post in chit-chat coffeecat [07:02] OK - that would be easier for everyone. [07:02] well s-fox there was more then once it spilled into staff =( [07:02] which coffeecat ? [07:02] POst in chit chat. :) [07:02] you tell us and we will go with it [07:02] Yes, that is true [07:03] I'll start a thread in SCC. [07:03] [ACTION] coffeecat will review UF applicants and post in chit chat [07:03] ACTION: coffeecat will review UF applicants and post in chit chat [07:03] I would like to see a decision on a few tonight [07:03] [VOTE] haqking for membership [07:03] Please vote on: haqking for membership [07:03] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [07:04] +1 [07:04] +1 received from Iowan [07:04] +1 [07:04] +1 received from bodhizazen [07:04] +1 [07:04] +1 received from Artificial_Intel [07:04] +1 [07:04] +1 received from moergaes [07:04] +1 [07:04] +1 received from s-fox [07:04] +1 [07:04] +1 received from coffeecat [07:04] [ENDVOTE] [07:04] Voting ended on: haqking for membership [07:04] Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [07:04] Motion carried [07:04] [VOTE] Old_Gray_Wolf for membership [07:04] Please vote on: Old_Gray_Wolf for membership [07:04] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [07:04] +1 [07:04] +1 received from bodhizazen [07:05] +1 [07:05] +1 received from coffeecat [07:05] +1 [07:05] +1 received from nothingspecial [07:05] +1 [07:05] +1 received from moergaes [07:05] +1 [07:05] +1 received from Artificial_Intel [07:05] +1 [07:05] +1 received from s-fox [07:05] 0 [07:05] 0 received from Iowan [07:05] [ENDVOTE] [07:05] Voting ended on: Old_Gray_Wolf for membership [07:05] Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 [07:05] Motion carried [07:05] (Sorry, do I have the right to vote here?) [07:05] [VOTE] rafa.genupula for membership [07:05] Please vote on: rafa.genupula for membership [07:05] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [07:05] moergaes, we normally ask FC members only to vote [07:06] +0 [07:06] +0 received from s-fox [07:06] +0 [07:06] +0 received from coffeecat [07:06] +1 [07:06] +1 received from Artificial_Intel [07:07] +1 [07:07] +1 received from bodhizazen [07:07] Any other votes ? [07:07] * Iowan looking [07:07] I only have one more candidate [07:07] 0 [07:07] 0 received from Iowan [07:07] [ENDVOTE] [07:07] Voting ended on: rafa.genupula for membership [07:07] Votes for:2 Votes against:0 Abstentions:3 [07:07] Motion carried [07:07] Really? [07:07] [VOTE] wolfen69 for membership [07:07] Please vote on: wolfen69 for membership [07:07] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [07:08] +1 [07:08] +1 received from Artificial_Intel [07:08] +1 [07:08] +1 received from bodhizazen [07:08] +1 [07:08] +1 received from coffeecat [07:08] +1 [07:08] +1 received from Iowan [07:08] +1 [07:08] +1 received from s-fox [07:08] [ENDVOTE] [07:08] Voting ended on: wolfen69 for membership [07:08] Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [07:08] Motion carried [07:09] [VOTE] Dangertux for membership [07:09] Please vote on: Dangertux for membership [07:09] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [07:09] +1 [07:09] +1 received from bodhizazen [07:09] +1 [07:09] +1 received from Iowan [07:09] +1 [07:09] +1 received from s-fox [07:09] +1 [07:09] +1 received from coffeecat [07:09] +0 [07:09] +0 received from Artificial_Intel [07:09] [ENDVOTE] [07:09] Voting ended on: Dangertux for membership [07:09] Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 [07:09] Motion carried [07:09] Anyone want to vote on the other 2 ? [07:09] I do not know them well enough [07:10] Suggest we have a discussion/vote for them in the staff area. [07:10] Who are they? I am on a 3G connection... Slow haha [07:10] Joseph Mills and lechien73 [07:10] +1 coffeecat [07:11] I don't know either of them [07:11] I'll kick that off. [07:11] [TOPIC]Open discussion === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Open discussion [07:11] We are at an hour or so now, any input from the staff or other community members ? [07:11] What can the FC do for you ? do better ? [07:11] Regarding membership: [07:11] Got something.....Who unsubscribed me from FC mailing list? [07:11] s-fox, we reversed the ban on ripfox [07:12] PM sent... [07:12] Thank you bodhizazen . [07:12] Artificial_Intel, Must have been me ? Although I do not recall doing so [07:12] Post to the ML [07:12] It felt "wrong" :) [07:12] s-fox can you manage the ML this month ? [07:13] moergaes, sure, go for it, speak up [07:13] I got an e-mail some days ago that I was unsub. [07:13] I recall seeing something about It Artificial_Intel [07:13] We discussed earlier if there should be an official one year limit for membership applicants. [07:13] I can look after the ml, sure [07:13] Is there any decision on that? [07:13] I think the community standard is 1 year, and people then can auto-renew themselves ? [07:14] Was that a 1-year participation requirement??? [07:14] Artificial_Intel I will see about adding you back :-) [07:14] I do not have to do much of anything to maintain my Ubuntu Membership [07:14] moergaes: that was something I would like to look at. If everyone is happy I'll start a debate in SCC with other membership matters, [07:14] +1 coffeecat [07:14] +1 bodhizazen [07:14] I think the key working is "significant contributions" [07:15] rather then a strict time of participation [07:15] I would say 6 month minimum [07:15] in terms of forums account activation [07:15] +1 perhaps longer [07:16] Documented somewhere? [07:16] Are we in danger of not recognising contribution outside of the forum? [07:16] There are other membership teams for that as well. [07:17] Not enough outside to warrant membership by normal means, but activities of note regardless [07:17] s-fox, well that is why we ask them to make a wiki page [07:17] Okay [07:17]