[04:21] <harris> hello
[04:21] <harris> i am trying to make bootable linux  usb
[04:21] <ubudog> Hi harris, a better place to ask would be the #ubuntu channel, as this is a meeting channel.
[04:22] <harris> nobody is on number ubuntu
[04:23] <ubudog> There are a few people there helping, including myself.  Just ask.  :)
[04:24] <elky> harris, you need to join the channel first.
[04:25] <elky> typing "/join #ubuntu" (but with no quote marks) should do it for most irc clients.
[05:48] <Artificial_Intel> 12 min. left
[05:49] <Artificial_Intel> lets see how many shows up.
[05:49] <cariboo907> I'm here
[05:51]  * coffeecat is here
[05:56] <bodhizazen> Anyone here for the Ubuntu Forums Council Meeting ?
[05:56] <Artificial_Intel> o/
[05:56]  * coffeecat is here
[05:56] <bodhizazen> 'lo AI =)
[05:56]  * cariboo907 is here
[05:56] <bodhizazen> coffeecat,
[05:56]  * Iowan is un-absent for a change
[05:57] <bodhizazen> 3 min or so, I thought s-fox could make the meeting
[05:58] <bodhizazen> Agenda : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda
[06:03] <bodhizazen> OK, sorry was distracted here for a minute
[06:03] <bodhizazen> #startmeeting
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[06:04] <bodhizazen> Again, who is here for the meeting =)
[06:04] <bodhizazen> o/
[06:04] <Artificial_Intel> o/
[06:04] <coffeecat> o/
[06:04] <Iowan> o/
[06:04] <cariboo907> o/
[06:04] <moergaes> Mörgæs o/
[06:04] <nothingspecial> o/
[06:05] <bodhizazen> I would like to go a bit out of order w/ the agenda
[06:05] <bodhizazen> First, thank you all around
[06:05] <bodhizazen> Thanks to the FC members who servered in the past, and thank you to the New FC members
[06:06] <bodhizazen> And thank you to the mod staff =)
[06:06] <bodhizazen> Is ripfox here ?
[06:06] <bodhizazen> [topic]Reverse Ripfox Ban
[06:07] <bodhizazen> Anyone here want to discuss Ripfox ?
[06:07] <Artificial_Intel> is he aware of this meeting today?
[06:07] <bodhizazen> Probably not
[06:08] <bodhizazen> I would say we can give Ripfox the benefit of the doubt here, and reverse the ban
[06:08] <bodhizazen> But it is probably a little too late
[06:08] <Iowan> What caused it?
[06:08] <Artificial_Intel> next time in such situation we need to send an e-mail to the person(s).
[06:08]  * bodhizazen looks
[06:09] <cariboo907> I just checked Ripfox's history in the RC, he seems to have had problems with moderation since 2008
[06:09] <bodhizazen> Ripfox  - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?threadid=1881936
[06:11] <bodhizazen> Here is the thread in the RC - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1877662
[06:11] <coffeecat> There were a number of strange RC threads in 2008 and then nothing until the Unity trolling business in 2011
[06:12] <Artificial_Intel> We can give him a second chance.
[06:12] <Iowan> I'd opt for "converting" the 15 pointer to 5
[06:12] <cariboo907> +1 for a second chance
[06:12] <bodhizazen> Well, the unity issue came up at sort of a bad time - I think most of the staff was sort of sick of it already
[06:13] <bodhizazen> [VOTE] Ripfox a second chance
[06:13] <meetingology> Please vote on: Ripfox a second chance
[06:13] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[06:13] <bodhizazen> +1
[06:13] <meetingology> +1 received from bodhizazen
[06:13] <coffeecat> +1
[06:13] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[06:13] <Artificial_Intel> +1
[06:13] <meetingology> +1 received from Artificial_Intel
[06:13] <cariboo907> +1
[06:13] <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907
[06:13] <Iowan> +1
[06:13] <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan
[06:13] <moergaes> 0
[06:13] <meetingology> 0 received from moergaes
[06:13] <bodhizazen> [ENDVOTE] Ripfox a second chance
[06:13] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Ripfox a second chance
[06:13] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1
[06:13] <meetingology> Motion carried
[06:13] <bodhizazen> OK aynone willing to PM / email Ripfox ?
[06:14] <Iowan> I will...
[06:14] <bodhizazen> Thanks, I reversed the infraction
[06:15] <bodhizazen> [ACTION] Ban revered on Ripfox, Iowan to send PM / E-mail
[06:15] <meetingology> ACTION: Ban revered on Ripfox, Iowan to send PM / E-mail
[06:15] <bodhizazen> [TOPIC]Buffalo Soldier Sub-forum request
[06:16] <bodhizazen> [LINK]http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1891534
[06:16] <bodhizazen> Buffalo Soldier or s-fox ?
[06:17] <bodhizazen> I would say +1 if Buffalo makes contact with Canonical first, but I am not sure how far along the process is
[06:17] <moergaes> How was it about having a general sub-forum for preinstalled Buntu?
[06:18] <moergaes> I mean, there could be many requests from small companies for a similar forum.
[06:19]  * cariboo907 +1, but I'd like to see him go through Canonical
[06:19] <bodhizazen> Exactly
[06:19] <Artificial_Intel> or forums with with subs for each companies, like we have loco forums. Then we avoid mess
[06:19] <bodhizazen> I like the idea of promoting pre-installed Ubuntu / Linux, but I am uncomfortable with promoting this vs that product
[06:20] <bodhizazen> If we promote a product, IMO, it should be in conjunction with Canonical
[06:20] <Artificial_Intel> aye
[06:20] <coffeecat> agreed
[06:20] <cariboo907> As far as I'm concerned we (the forum) shouldn't play favourites
[06:20] <Iowan> I presume it was Canonical who established the current manufacturer sub forums
[06:21] <bodhizazen> [VOTE]Ask Buffalo soldier to contact Canonical and get back to us
[06:21] <meetingology> Please vote on: Ask Buffalo soldier to contact Canonical and get back to us
[06:21] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[06:21]  * cariboo907 agrees
[06:21] <bodhizazen> Yes Iowan
[06:21] <bodhizazen> +1
[06:21] <meetingology> +1 received from bodhizazen
[06:21] <cariboo907> +1
[06:21] <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907
[06:21] <coffeecat> +1
[06:21] <moergaes> 1
[06:21] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[06:21] <Artificial_Intel> +1
[06:21] <meetingology> +1 received from Artificial_Intel
[06:21] <Iowan> +1
[06:21] <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan
[06:21] <moergaes> +1
[06:21] <meetingology> +1 received from moergaes
[06:21] <bodhizazen> [ENDVOTE]
[06:21] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Ask Buffalo soldier to contact Canonical and get back to us
[06:21] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[06:21] <meetingology> Motion carried
[06:21] <bodhizazen> Anyone willing to contact Buffalo soldier ?
[06:22] <moergaes> I can do it.
[06:22]  * cariboo907 will
[06:22] <bodhizazen> [ACTION]Ask buffalo soldier to contact canonical and get back to us
[06:22] <meetingology> ACTION: Ask buffalo soldier to contact canonical and get back to us
[06:22] <bodhizazen> I think cariboo907 would be best =)
[06:22] <bodhizazen> [TOPIC] CC meeting
[06:23] <bodhizazen> It would be ideal if at least one FC could attend CC meetings =)
[06:23] <bodhizazen> They are at odd times (last I looked) an it will be difficult for me to attend
[06:24] <bodhizazen> We could rotate (see last item on agenda)
[06:24] <cariboo907> I haven't looked to see what time the meetings are at, so I can't say
[06:25]  * cariboo907 checked, I can probably make it
[06:25] <bodhizazen> Along those lines, would be nice to see FC and staff promote ubuntu within other community venues - LP, wiki, IRC, ask ubuntu, and there is a community channel ??
[06:25] <Iowan> I'd be happy to attend, if time/date/memory all cooperate.
[06:25] <Artificial_Intel> last time I checked, their meetings are around 2-3 o'clock  in the morning for me, so I'll have difficulties to attend.
[06:25] <bodhizazen> Any more comments on CC meetings ?
[06:26] <cariboo907> the meetings are on the 1st and 3rd thursday at 17:00 UTC
[06:26] <bodhizazen> Exactly AI , the CC meets at inconvenient to all sorts of times
[06:26] <bodhizazen> I am going to skip to ZaReason sub forums
[06:27] <bodhizazen> [TOPIC]	
[06:27] <bodhizazen> ZaReason Sub-Forum Idea
[06:27] <bodhizazen> Probably same as with Buffalo soldiger
[06:27] <Artificial_Intel> aye
[06:27] <bodhizazen> Have we had any "official" contact from Zareason or Canonical ?
[06:27] <Artificial_Intel> no news on that front?
[06:27] <cariboo907> +1 to that
[06:27] <coffeecat> Didn't ZaReason already contact Canonical?
[06:28] <bodhizazen> [ACTION]s-fox to follow up on Zareason =)
[06:28] <meetingology> ACTION: s-fox to follow up on Zareason =)
[06:28] <bodhizazen> [TOPIC]Community building ideas
[06:29] <bodhizazen> I would like to see more positive / support / social interactions with staff and community , and not all fighting with trolls and spam-ban
[06:29] <cariboo907> I was approched by effenberg0x0 about creating a bit of a community around the ubuntu +1 sub-forum
[06:29] <bodhizazen> Any ideas on how to promote community spirit of forums ?
[06:30] <bodhizazen> That would be great cariboo907
[06:30] <bodhizazen> I have been working on the ask ubuntu community
[06:30] <Artificial_Intel> interact in lighthearted topics in café, not only in the one that can explode any time soon.
[06:30] <cariboo907> effenberg0x0 and I are conducting a classroom session at UDW so i'll discuss it with him further
[06:31] <bodhizazen> ask ubuntu often refers conversations from ask ubuntu -> ubuntu fourms , I have make them aware we do not appreciate some of the topics though =)
[06:32] <bodhizazen> Also, staff in general should be aware of #ubuntu-community-team
[06:32] <cariboo907> unfortunately I have to leave for work, so I'll say good day to all
[06:32] <bodhizazen> It is sort of a gathering IRC channel for various people in various leadership positions across the community
[06:33] <Artificial_Intel> any exampel of this?
[06:33] <bodhizazen> example of what Artificial_Intel ?
[06:33] <Artificial_Intel> "ask ubuntu often refers conversations from ask ubuntu -> ubuntu fourms , I have make them aware we do not appreciate some of the topics though"
[06:34] <bodhizazen> I would have to dig some up ..
[06:34]  * bodhizazen looks
[06:35] <bodhizazen> http://askubuntu.com/questions/100407/how-to-improve-the-launcher-and-the-menus-usability
[06:35] <bodhizazen> See comments
[06:36] <coffeecat> "I don't know where the right place for Unity feedback is, but this isn't it." Sounds familiar!
[06:37] <Artificial_Intel> An Unity sub forum?
[06:37] <bodhizazen> http://askubuntu.com/questions/100288/things-to-do-on-ubuntu-to-get-experienced
[06:37] <bodhizazen> "This sort of discussion is a better fit for the Ubuntu Forums. – Jorge Castro 10 hours ago "
[06:38] <bodhizazen> That sort of thing Artificial_Intel and coffeecat
[06:38] <bodhizazen> just FYI
[06:38] <Artificial_Intel> yea, there's no need to send the garbage to UF
[06:38] <bodhizazen> If I see a referral of a conversation that is more obviously trolling I object =)
[06:39] <bodhizazen> Yea, for now monitor it, there is some cross posting between ask ubuntu and the forums, support as well as conversation
[06:39] <coffeecat> Community spirit. How about involving the Ubuntu members (through forum contributions)?
[06:39] <bodhizazen> It is not as if we notice the referrals from ask ubuntu , the cafe is busy enough that IMO it is not a problem
[06:40] <bodhizazen> +1 coffeecat
[06:40] <bodhizazen> I would like to suggest adding 1-2 staff 1 month prior to a release
[06:41] <bodhizazen> and ask less active ones to step down, sort of keeps the staff and community working together and lessens burn out
[06:41] <Iowan> Criteria?
[06:41] <bodhizazen> Any other community building suggestions ?
[06:41] <bodhizazen> Criteria - Ubuntu fourms members + positive contributions
[06:42] <bkerensa> :)
[06:42] <bodhizazen> do not have criteria for stepping down ...
[06:42] <bodhizazen> Any other comments on community building ?
[06:43] <bodhizazen> I just wanted you all to keep in mind , we are community leaders, and we should make an effort to grow the community, recognize the positive contributions of othes , and work with the other community leaders
[06:43] <bodhizazen> A common comment on many teams in the community is isolation =)
[06:44] <Artificial_Intel> Can't we put this topic up in Staff chit chat.
[06:44] <bodhizazen> I did not necessarily think we would have a "solution" to this "problem" and I wish s-fox were here ;P
[06:44] <coffeecat> I'm still mulling over Ubuntu members.
[06:44] <bodhizazen> go for it Artificial_Intel
[06:44] <coffeecat> Don't have a conc rete suggestion.
[06:44] <bodhizazen> [TOPIC]Division of Labor
[06:45] <bodhizazen> It is sad to say, the FC has grown inactive in the last few months for a variety of reasons.
[06:45] <bodhizazen> I was wondering if it might be helpful to divide the tasks and "assign" certain tasks to certain members
[06:46] <bodhizazen> We could rotate tasks or not
[06:46] <Artificial_Intel> seems like a goode idea to try it out
[06:47] <bodhizazen> I posted an initial "to do" list here : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1912368
[06:47] <Iowan> A to-do list would be helpful
[06:47] <bodhizazen> was hoping for any other suggestions I might have missed
[06:47] <Iowan> <out-typed!
[06:47] <bodhizazen> We can then assign FC - these two, Ubuntu membership - those two, etc
[06:48] <bodhizazen> I did not want to start assigning the tasks just yet, but suggest we start this month ?
[06:48] <bodhizazen> One person can approve mailings to the FC mailing list, etc
[06:49] <bodhizazen> We can touch base on assigning tasks in chit chat ?
[06:49] <Iowan> Which tasks are in deepest need - or are most?
[06:49] <s-fox> Hello
[06:49] <bodhizazen> How about if everyone selects something to do this month =)
[06:49] <coffeecat> Yes
[06:50] <bodhizazen> Deepest need - we need to , IMO
[06:50] <bodhizazen> 1. assess staff needs
[06:50] <Artificial_Intel> I don't mind having RC. I interact with people on professional level daily.
[06:50] <bodhizazen> 2. start up on the monthly team report
[06:50] <bodhizazen> do you all know what that is ?
[06:51] <s-fox> I can do #2
[06:51] <bodhizazen> OK
[06:51] <Iowan> i just reviewed it...
[06:52] <bodhizazen> [LINK]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports
[06:52] <bodhizazen> [LINK]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports/December2011
[06:52] <bodhizazen> We also need to get ubuntu forms members going pronto
[06:52] <bodhizazen> Encourage applications
[06:52] <bodhizazen> approve applications
[06:53] <coffeecat> I would like to volunteer for UBuntu members processes
[06:53] <bodhizazen> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=404
[06:53] <bodhizazen> OK coffeecat
[06:53] <bodhizazen> How about if you review the pending applications
[06:53] <Iowan> I'd like to help with FC mailing list.
[06:53] <bodhizazen> post in chit chat,
[06:53] <bodhizazen> Ones to approve
[06:53] <bodhizazen> Ones to decline
[06:53] <coffeecat> Yes - I;ve been thinking about related matters too.
[06:53] <bodhizazen> and ones you need help with
[06:54] <s-fox> We have a backlog to process. +1 on getting on top of it
[06:54] <bodhizazen> The only one I think we need to discuss is wolfen69
[06:54] <bodhizazen> Keep in mind, eventually , if not now, all future staff have to be members
[06:55] <Iowan> Have we added a participation (calendar) reuiement?
[06:55] <bodhizazen> Encourage all your friends and people with helpful posts you see to apply
[06:55] <bodhizazen> We should ask the entire staff to invite
[06:56] <bodhizazen> How about if FC members post what tasks they will take this month here : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1912368
[06:56] <bodhizazen> Then start a discussion thread on your topic / issue in scc
[06:56] <bodhizazen> [TOPIC]wolfen69 for membership
[06:57] <bodhizazen> Any suggestions re: wolfen69 ?
[06:57] <bodhizazen> Anyone want to vote on wolfen69 ?
[06:57] <s-fox> I have no problem with it. People make mistakes, people can change.
[06:58] <moergaes> I have already posted my reservations, so I'll not repeat them here...
[06:58] <bodhizazen> I will acknowledge his posting style can be edgy, but it does not bother me
[06:58] <bodhizazen> moergaes, please summarize them =)
[06:58] <moergaes> One second, let me search...
[06:58] <bodhizazen> I would not ask if I did not want input
[06:58] <s-fox> It is no worse than HTL bodhizazen
[06:59] <bodhizazen> HTL ?
[06:59] <bodhizazen> I honestly think wolfen69 has "community support"
[06:59] <moergaes> Here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11556560&postcount=29
[07:00] <Iowan> No infractions/warnings since april '09
[07:00] <bodhizazen> I would say approve him, but let him know we expect that he be mindful of his posting style as he now represents the community
[07:00] <s-fox> Sorry, i was thinking of the old username. Now flies by Bachstelze
[07:00] <coffeecat> bodhizazen, I think we ought to have a formal vote/discussion on each applicant in http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=406 As quickly as possible, obviously.
[07:00] <s-fox>  /s/flies/goes
[07:01] <bodhizazen> OIC, +1 to that s-fox, the problem with HTL was that he as also staff
[07:01] <bodhizazen> Want to run through it now ?
[07:01] <s-fox> "Problem" - haha
[07:01] <bodhizazen> Or post in chit-chat coffeecat
[07:02] <coffeecat> OK - that would be easier for everyone.
[07:02] <bodhizazen> well s-fox there was more then once it spilled into staff =(
[07:02] <bodhizazen> which coffeecat ?
[07:02] <coffeecat> POst in chit chat. :)
[07:02] <bodhizazen> you tell us and we will go with it
[07:02] <s-fox> Yes, that is true
[07:03] <coffeecat> I'll start a thread in SCC.
[07:03] <bodhizazen> [ACTION] coffeecat will review UF applicants and post in chit chat
[07:03] <meetingology> ACTION: coffeecat will review UF applicants and post in chit chat
[07:03] <bodhizazen> I would like to see a decision on a few tonight
[07:03] <bodhizazen> [VOTE] haqking for membership
[07:03] <meetingology> Please vote on: haqking for membership
[07:03] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[07:04] <Iowan> +1
[07:04] <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan
[07:04] <bodhizazen> +1
[07:04] <meetingology> +1 received from bodhizazen
[07:04] <Artificial_Intel> +1
[07:04] <meetingology> +1 received from Artificial_Intel
[07:04] <moergaes> +1
[07:04] <meetingology> +1 received from moergaes
[07:04] <s-fox> +1
[07:04] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[07:04] <coffeecat> +1
[07:04] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[07:04] <bodhizazen> [ENDVOTE]
[07:04] <meetingology> Voting ended on: haqking for membership
[07:04] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[07:04] <meetingology> Motion carried
[07:04] <bodhizazen> [VOTE] Old_Gray_Wolf for membership
[07:04] <meetingology> Please vote on: Old_Gray_Wolf for membership
[07:04] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[07:04] <bodhizazen> +1
[07:04] <meetingology> +1 received from bodhizazen
[07:05] <coffeecat> +1
[07:05] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[07:05] <nothingspecial> +1
[07:05] <meetingology> +1 received from nothingspecial
[07:05] <moergaes> +1
[07:05] <meetingology> +1 received from moergaes
[07:05] <Artificial_Intel> +1
[07:05] <meetingology> +1 received from Artificial_Intel
[07:05] <s-fox> +1
[07:05] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[07:05] <Iowan> 0
[07:05] <meetingology> 0 received from Iowan
[07:05] <bodhizazen> [ENDVOTE]
[07:05] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Old_Gray_Wolf for membership
[07:05] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1
[07:05] <meetingology> Motion carried
[07:05] <moergaes> (Sorry, do I have the right to vote here?)
[07:05] <bodhizazen> [VOTE] rafa.genupula for membership
[07:05] <meetingology> Please vote on: rafa.genupula for membership
[07:05] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[07:05] <bodhizazen> moergaes, we normally ask FC members only to vote
[07:06] <s-fox> +0
[07:06] <meetingology> +0 received from s-fox
[07:06] <coffeecat> +0
[07:06] <meetingology> +0 received from coffeecat
[07:06] <Artificial_Intel> +1
[07:06] <meetingology> +1 received from Artificial_Intel
[07:07] <bodhizazen> +1
[07:07] <meetingology> +1 received from bodhizazen
[07:07] <bodhizazen> Any other votes ?
[07:07]  * Iowan looking
[07:07] <bodhizazen> I only have one more candidate
[07:07] <Iowan> 0
[07:07] <meetingology> 0 received from Iowan
[07:07] <bodhizazen> [ENDVOTE]
[07:07] <meetingology> Voting ended on: rafa.genupula for membership
[07:07] <meetingology> Votes for:2 Votes against:0 Abstentions:3
[07:07] <meetingology> Motion carried
[07:07] <s-fox> Really?
[07:07] <bodhizazen> [VOTE] wolfen69 for membership
[07:07] <meetingology> Please vote on: wolfen69 for membership
[07:07] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[07:08] <Artificial_Intel> +1
[07:08] <meetingology> +1 received from Artificial_Intel
[07:08] <bodhizazen> +1
[07:08] <meetingology> +1 received from bodhizazen
[07:08] <coffeecat> +1
[07:08] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[07:08] <Iowan> +1
[07:08] <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan
[07:08] <s-fox> +1
[07:08] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[07:08] <bodhizazen> [ENDVOTE]
[07:08] <meetingology> Voting ended on: wolfen69 for membership
[07:08] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[07:08] <meetingology> Motion carried
[07:09] <bodhizazen> [VOTE] Dangertux for membership
[07:09] <meetingology> Please vote on: Dangertux for membership
[07:09] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[07:09] <bodhizazen> +1
[07:09] <meetingology> +1 received from bodhizazen
[07:09] <Iowan> +1
[07:09] <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan
[07:09] <s-fox> +1
[07:09] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[07:09] <coffeecat> +1
[07:09] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[07:09] <Artificial_Intel> +0
[07:09] <meetingology> +0 received from Artificial_Intel
[07:09] <bodhizazen> [ENDVOTE]
[07:09] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Dangertux for membership
[07:09] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1
[07:09] <meetingology> Motion carried
[07:09] <bodhizazen> Anyone want to vote on the other 2 ?
[07:09] <bodhizazen> I do not know them well enough
[07:10] <coffeecat> Suggest we have a discussion/vote for them in the staff area.
[07:10] <s-fox> Who are they? I am on a 3G connection... Slow haha
[07:10] <bodhizazen> Joseph Mills and lechien73
[07:10] <bodhizazen> +1 coffeecat
[07:11] <s-fox> I don't know either of them
[07:11] <coffeecat> I'll kick that off.
[07:11] <bodhizazen> [TOPIC]Open discussion
[07:11] <bodhizazen> We are at an hour or so now, any input from the staff or other community members ?
[07:11] <bodhizazen> What can the FC do for you ? do better ?
[07:11] <moergaes> Regarding membership:
[07:11] <Artificial_Intel> Got something.....Who unsubscribed me from FC mailing list?
[07:11] <bodhizazen> s-fox, we reversed the ban on ripfox
[07:12] <Iowan> PM sent...
[07:12] <s-fox> Thank you bodhizazen .
[07:12] <bodhizazen> Artificial_Intel, Must have been me ? Although I do not recall doing so
[07:12] <bodhizazen> Post to the ML
[07:12] <s-fox> It felt "wrong" :)
[07:12] <bodhizazen> s-fox can you manage the ML this month ?
[07:13] <bodhizazen> moergaes, sure, go for it, speak up
[07:13] <Artificial_Intel> I got an e-mail some days ago that I was unsub.
[07:13] <s-fox> I recall seeing something about It Artificial_Intel
[07:13] <moergaes> We discussed earlier if there should be an official one year limit for membership applicants.
[07:13] <s-fox> I can look after the ml, sure
[07:13] <moergaes> Is there any decision on that?
[07:13] <bodhizazen> I think the community standard is 1 year, and people then can auto-renew themselves ?
[07:14] <Iowan> Was that a 1-year participation requirement???
[07:14] <s-fox> Artificial_Intel I will see about adding you back :-)
[07:14] <bodhizazen> I do not have to do much of anything to maintain my Ubuntu Membership
[07:14] <coffeecat> moergaes: that was something I would like to look at. If everyone is happy I'll start a debate in SCC with other membership matters,
[07:14] <bodhizazen> +1 coffeecat
[07:14] <s-fox> +1 bodhizazen
[07:14] <bodhizazen> I think the key working is "significant contributions"
[07:15] <bodhizazen> rather then a strict time of participation
[07:15] <bodhizazen> I would say 6 month minimum
[07:15] <bodhizazen> in terms of forums account activation
[07:15] <coffeecat> +1 perhaps longer
[07:16] <Iowan> Documented somewhere?
[07:16] <s-fox> Are we in danger of not recognising contribution outside of the forum?
[07:16] <Iowan> There are other membership teams for that as well.
[07:17] <s-fox> Not enough outside to warrant membership by normal means, but activities of note regardless
[07:17] <bodhizazen> s-fox, well that is why we ask them to make a wiki page
[07:17] <s-fox> Okay
[07:17] <bodhizazen> we should review their contributions, but applicants should be responsible for bringing it to our attention via wiki
[07:18] <bodhizazen> Oh, I almost forgot ...
[07:18] <bodhizazen> How do you all want to manage / elect / appoint the FC chairperson ?
[07:18] <bodhizazen> [TOPIC] Identify FC chairperson
[07:18] <bodhizazen> have FC members vote ? staff vote ?
[07:19] <s-fox> I thought the idea was the FC elect chair ;)
[07:19] <bodhizazen> That was what was discussed previously, but I do not think we have had an official FC chairperson for quiet some time
[07:20] <bodhizazen> so I though it best to put it up for discussion
[07:20] <s-fox> Well, you know what I think bodhizazen
[07:21] <Iowan> I know who has been doing the job...
[07:23] <bodhizazen> We should set up some sort of election , suggestions on how to do so ?
[07:23] <s-fox> In terms of seniority, only 1 choice exists. bodhizazen
[07:23] <bodhizazen> vote somewhere ?
[07:24] <s-fox> We number 7 on the fc. Do we strictly need a chair?
[07:24] <bodhizazen> I do not think the position should be based on seniority, it should be an elected position
[07:24] <bodhizazen> s-fox, I have not looked in a while, but my understanding was that the CC wanted a chair
[07:25] <bodhizazen> We could post to the CC asking if we need a chairperson
[07:25] <bodhizazen> I would be fine without appointing one
[07:25] <bodhizazen> s/appointing/electing, lol
[07:25] <s-fox> Okay, only difference is chair gets  casting vote uncase of ties
[07:25] <s-fox> Incase
[07:26] <bodhizazen> Aye, might happen on say IRC meetings I suppose
[07:26] <s-fox> s-fox for chair +1 :D
[07:27] <bodhizazen> Do you all want to discuss this on the mailing list ?
[07:27] <Artificial_Intel> aye
[07:27] <Iowan> +1 discuss
[07:27] <bodhizazen> We are close to 90 minutes for this meeting
[07:27] <s-fox> Don't object
[07:27] <coffeecat> +1 discuss
[07:27] <bodhizazen> OK , who will post to the mailing list ?
[07:28] <bodhizazen> I suppose that is s-fox as you agreed to manage ML this month =)
[07:28] <bodhizazen> Anything else before we end the meeting ?
[07:28] <s-fox> Is their anyone who doesnt want to be chair?
[07:29] <s-fox> I said i'd do the ml this month
[07:29] <bodhizazen> Does this time work for FC meetings ?
[07:29] <bodhizazen> Or rotate ?
[07:29] <bodhizazen> #endmeeting
[07:29] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Feb  1 07:29:31 2012 UTC.
[07:29] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-01-06.03.moin.txt
[07:29] <Iowan> Prefer rotate
[07:30] <Iowan> My alarm clock goes off in 3.5 hours
[07:30] <bodhizazen> OK, thanks everyone
[07:30] <bodhizazen> Get some sleep Iowan
[07:30] <s-fox> I could do this time, but prefer to rotate. My health was the reason I was late. Apologies
[07:30] <Iowan> g'nite!
[07:31] <bodhizazen> s-fox was there an alternate time from the poll you posted ?
[07:31] <s-fox> I can't recall. I will find out and put on ml
[07:33] <s-fox> Are we done?
[07:35] <bodhizazen> yes s-fox
[07:35] <bodhizazen> hope you are feeling better
[07:35] <s-fox> I got 3 hours sleep today :)
[07:36] <s-fox> Anyway. Speak to you later no doubt.
[07:36] <s-fox> Ttfn
[07:36] <bodhizazen> yea
[07:36] <moergaes> I'll be off. Thanks for letting us join.
[07:36] <bodhizazen> moergaes, thank you for attending, it is appreciated
[07:37] <s-fox> +1
[07:37] <s-fox> Nice to see people
[07:37] <bodhizazen> In the future I would like to announce meetings to the community
[07:37] <moergaes> Some day I might even get to learn the rules and traditions here :-)
[07:37] <bodhizazen> Just getting started this time
[07:37] <s-fox> Rules are made for. Breaking. And then bodhizazen can just ban ;-)
[07:38] <moergaes> :-)
[07:38] <Artificial_Intel> good idea to make it more public these meetings
[07:39] <s-fox> +1
[07:39] <bodhizazen> +100
[07:39] <s-fox> Right... Either caffeine or bed... Choices :-)
[07:40] <bodhizazen> I thought it was important to get the process started, now we bring the community into the discussion
[07:40] <Artificial_Intel> both....
[07:51] <benonsoftware> bodhizazen: You may already know this but, just to let you know you can also use #voters name1 name2 etc.
[07:51] <bodhizazen> thanks benonsoftware
[07:52] <benonsoftware> No probs :p
[16:01]  * barry waves
[16:02]  * slangasek waves
[16:02] <jodh> o/
[16:02] <cjwatson> hola
[16:03]  * stgraber waves
[16:03] <bdmurray> hi
[16:03] <ev> hiya
[16:04] <slangasek> #startmeeting
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[16:04] <slangasek> [TOPIC] lightning round
[16:04] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e cjwatson barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek)
[16:04] <slangasek> cjwatson ev doko jodh slangasek stgraber barry bdmurray
[16:05] <cjwatson> Mostly this week I have been working on upgrade bugs of one kind or another (bug 917173 and bug 922485 in the apt resolver, which I blogged about; bug 924079, which I posted to ubuntu-devel about today).  More of this probably to come; we are not short of upgrade bugs.
[16:05] <cjwatson> Fixed mirror handling for ports installs (bug 919356).
[16:05] <cjwatson> Patch piloting on Friday morning.  Dealt with parted/dmraid/multipath-tools fallout from some of the branches I landed (bug 922646).
[16:05] <cjwatson> Fixed netcfg and ubiquity fallout from resolvconf.
[16:05] <cjwatson> Scaled down the ubiquity webcam page (bug 869239); took some fiddling to make the test suite handle this properly.
[16:05] <cjwatson> Fixed ubiquity fallout from dbus-python 1.0.0 (bug 922988).
[16:05] <cjwatson> Fixed casper to set up ubuntustudio groups properly, then fixed fallout from that for everything else when preseeded (oops).
[16:05] <cjwatson> Fixed germinate Provides mishandling that broke lucid point release candidate DVDs.  Some other point release preparation.
[16:05] <cjwatson> Preliminary patch for bug 861048 in grub2, but having some build problems.  Shelved until after Alpha 2.
[16:05] <cjwatson> ..
[16:06] <ev> - Released a new version of whoopsie-daisy (the crash reporting daemon) into
[16:06] <ev>   the archive. Still waiting on approval for MIR bug 913694.
[16:06] <ev> - Added retracing support to whoopsie-dasiy. It's currently partially broken
[16:06] <ev>   as the stack traces change slightly with each new retrace, so a new
[16:06] <ev>   stacktrace and stacktrace hash gets written to the columnfamily every time.
[16:06] <barry> ouch, sorry about 922988
[16:06] <ev> - Added a small purge tool for flushing the message queue.
[16:06] <ev>  - Created the control center preferences page after spending an indordinate
[16:06] <ev>    amount of time digesting the gnome-control-center API that they helpfully
[16:06] <ev>    made private, forcing us to patch it back in (without documentation).
[16:06] <ev>  - Short week; vacation on Monday.
[16:06] <ev>  - Added initial policy kit permission support in the preferences dialog.
[16:06] <ev>  - Work on the DBus daemon (using GDBus' code generation) for the preferences
[16:06] <ev>    dialog backend.
[16:06] <ev> - More work on the DBus daemon. Investigating how to best enable/disable the
[16:06] <ev>   upstart job.
[16:06] <ev> (done)
[16:06] <cjwatson> barry: couldn't quite decide if that was a dbus-python bug or not ... feel free to think about it :)
[16:06] <barry> will do!
[16:06] <cjwatson> the fix was str() -> chr(int())
[16:07]  * doko_ moves to the end of the list
[16:07] <doko_> stgraber, please go on
[16:07] <jodh> ?
[16:07] <jodh> Working on bug 922754. I've identified the cause and currently busy
[16:07] <jodh> beating the tests with a flaming mallet.
[16:09] <jodh> ♮
[16:09] <jodh> :)
[16:09] <stgraber> :)
[16:10] <stgraber> - Testing tracker
[16:10] <stgraber>  - Updated some scripts in ubuntu-archive-tools
[16:10] <stgraber>  - Help with Alpha 2 preparation
[16:10] <stgraber> - Networking
[16:10] <stgraber>  - Got resolvconf installed by default (ubuntu-minimal)
[16:10] <stgraber>  - Fixed issues found after switching to resolvconf (LTSP, LXC, live-build, arkose ...)
[16:10] <stgraber>  - Most of the SRUs are now in -proposed or -updates (ifupdown, ifenslave-2.6, vlan, bridge-utils)
[16:10] <stgraber> - LTSP
[16:10] <stgraber>  - Merged ldm for the first time in a long long time, expecting to do a complete sync from Debian next week
[16:10] <stgraber>  - Fixed installability from alternate i386 media (where linux-image-generic doesn't exist)
[16:10] <stgraber>  - Pushed set of fixes to current LTSP trunk in the hope of making it work properly and be able to upload it this week
[16:10] <stgraber> - ARB
[16:10] <stgraber>  - Spent some time monitoring the queue and nagging the MyApps developers about bugs
[16:10] <stgraber> - Friendly Recovery
[16:10] <stgraber>  - Uploaded new upstart job starting udev, setvtrgb, dealing better with missing jobs, ...
[16:10] <stgraber>  - Started working on some rework of the menu
[16:10] <barry> jodh: emacs irc ftw
[16:10] <stgraber> - Containers
[16:10] <stgraber>  - Submitted merge proposal for container detection and support in our upstrart jobs
[16:10] <stgraber>  - Did some more test to have an armhf container running on x86. Just two uploads (sysvinit, mountall) away to having it work (post-alpha2)
[16:10] <stgraber> - Other
[16:10] <stgraber>  - Merged bcfg2 (spare time) and started fighting with gamin failing in interesting ways on Precise (because of new glib)
[16:10] <stgraber>  - Did some cleanup of duplicate upload ACLs and trying to make ~ubuntu-dev consistent (having people with PPU be direct members and everyone else indirect members)
[16:10] <stgraber> - TODO
[16:10] <stgraber>  - Feature Freeze is pretty close, so try to push most of the new stuff before it :)
[16:10] <stgraber> (done)
[16:11] <barry> interviews. pyqt4-dbus review and upload.  dbus-python 1.0.0 sync.  looked at bug 922721 (not an outcome of the python 3 work).  looked at aptdaemon for py3.  wadllib for python 3.  testing storm package for oneiric.  django/oops consulting.  DM application work.  updated udd docs in the upg.  giving a class on udd later today.  done.
[16:11] <cjwatson> oh, sorry, I haven't progressed on oauth for py3 :(
[16:11] <barry> cjwatson: me neither :(
[16:11] <bdmurray> oliday
[16:11] <bdmurray> triage of http://launchpad.net/bugs/922884 - not bugpatternable
[16:11] <bdmurray> triage of http://launchpad.net/bugs/922042 - wrote a bug pattern
[16:11] <bdmurray> triage of iso-testing bug reports
[16:12] <bdmurray> merge bug patterns from Vadim Rutkovsky
[16:12] <bdmurray> modifications to prebuild.sh for update-manager
[16:12] <bdmurray> upload of update-manager with new apport hook
[16:12] <bdmurray> investigation into wubi bug 922330 (wubi from 11.10 installing 12.04)
[16:12] <bdmurray> push of recent package bug tasks to qa.ubuntu.com (http://bit.ly/wC8FJI)
[16:12] <bdmurray> patch pilot
[16:12] <bdmurray> ␗
[16:13] <jodh> barry: erc?
[16:13] <barry> jodh: yep
[16:13] <bdmurray> end of transmission block - I think
[16:13] <jodh> barry: thanks. I'll give it a try.
[16:14] <slangasek> jodh: so... what *is* the cause for bug #922754? :)
[16:14] <barry> jodh: try it with bip.  ping me if you want some config stuff
[16:14] <slangasek> hmph, I got skipped
[16:14] <slangasek>  * isolated a reproducer for upstart bug #922754
[16:14] <slangasek>  * uploaded mvo's apt merge from experimental, fixing various upgrade+multiarch bugs
[16:14] <slangasek>  * worked on getting resolvconf into shape (bug #922491)
[16:14] <slangasek>  * looking into whether we can support cross-grades from i386 to amd64 for 12.04
[16:14] <slangasek>  * in charge of crank-turning for alpha-2 this week
[16:14] <slangasek>  * interviews
[16:14] <slangasek> ..
[16:15] <cjwatson> re bug 922330, it's time-machine territory now, but I wonder if we should make wubi put its version in HTTP headers so that we at least theoretically might have some way to fix this kind of thing in future ...
[16:15] <doko_> - more gcc-4.7 fixes and packaging updates
[16:15] <doko_> - eglibc updates, the dlopen crash in gdk-pixbug-loaders on amd64 is fixed
[16:15] <doko_> - really export the sunrpc symbols in libc6
[16:15] <doko_> - prepared and started the test precise test rebuild
[16:15] <doko_> - catch up on MIR's
[16:16] <jodh> slangasek: weeeeell. took a lot of work to find it. we were closing the fds correctly, *but* the fd number persisted in an nih watch such that when nih looked for fd activity, it saw the (now invalid) fd and returned EBADF. repeatedly :)
[16:16] <bdmurray> cjwatson: I dont' know how people find wubi but putting a new wubi.exe at http://people.canonical.com/~evand/wubi/oneiric/ might help
[16:16] <cjwatson> bdmurray: the bug reports that it came off the CD image
[16:17] <slangasek> jodh: doh... :)
[16:17] <bdmurray> cjwatson: okay, yes but I tested it by just downloading 245.exe
[16:17] <cjwatson> although I agree that a build of r247 there wouldn't go amiss - ev?  I'm surprised we didn't have one there actually
[16:18] <ev> I think we didn't put a newer build on the CD because it was determined that they wouldn't be using the download a compressed disk image path when running off the CD
[16:18] <ev> as this was an 11th hour release thing
[16:18] <ev> if memory serves
[16:18] <ev> so the bug, as I've just commented in the report, is that it's going down the download path at all
[16:18] <cjwatson> ev: ok, but I wonder how we were expecting them to get it off the website if you didn't publish a build
[16:19] <cjwatson> it was all a rush that morning
[16:20] <ev> I'm confused. Why would we be expecting them to get it off the website?
[16:21] <bdmurray> Isn't that where http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/windows-installer takes you?
[16:21] <cjwatson> well, it sends you to a wubi.exe from a mirror of releases.ubuntu.com I think, but the executable does need to come from somewhere
[16:22] <cjwatson> and the source for that is ev's people.c.c directory
[16:23] <cjwatson> so, yes, I think anyone going through the website path is broken right now
[16:24] <ev> for 12.04
[16:24] <ev> not for 11.10, unless I'm missing some part of this conversation
[16:24] <bdmurray> no, for 11.10
[16:24] <cjwatson> what he said
[16:24] <slangasek> I've lost the thread here; that bug is about a wubi copied off of a CD, I thought?
[16:25] <cjwatson> the problem is that 11.10's wubi.exe uses a URL for the disk image which now refers to a daily build of precise
[16:25] <bdmurray> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/wubi/trunk/view/245/data/isolist.ini
[16:25] <cjwatson> we cannot fix this for wubi copied off CDs, but the same problem currently goes for people downloading it from the redirect on www.ubuntu.com (which I think is for 11.10)
[16:25] <ev> in that version
[16:25] <bdmurray> and the wubi.exe on the cd is the same as the one you download at ubuntu.com...windows-installer
[16:26] <ev> but I could've sworn that we published a later version on the website...
[16:26] <cjwatson> ev: so could I, but I can't see how we would have done without there being a build in your people.c.c directory
[16:26] <bdmurray> I checked the md5sum of wubi.exe at http://releases.ubuntu.com/oneiric/ and it was rev 245
[16:27] <cjwatson> yes, I just did as well
[16:27] <cjwatson> matches wubi-r245-signed.exe
[16:27] <cjwatson> so I think we need a new build, get it signed, get it tested, push to releases.u.c/oneiric/
[16:27] <ev> yeah
[16:28] <slangasek> ev: can you take care of that?
[16:28] <ev> yup, on it
[16:28] <slangasek> thanks
[16:29] <slangasek> there's another wubi bug that turned up in milestone testing which I suspect comes down to the same thing
[16:29] <slangasek> bug #924752
[16:29] <cjwatson> no, not quite, I asked ev about that
[16:29] <ev> yup, I'm committing a fix for that in about 25 seconds
[16:29] <cjwatson> heh
[16:29] <slangasek> ah, ok :)
[16:30] <cjwatson> actually does that mean r247 wouldn't work for oneiric either?
[16:30] <slangasek> segging into the next topic...
[16:30] <cjwatson> maybe we do need the same fix there, since it was a failure to fall back to diskimage2
[16:31] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Alpha-2
[16:32] <slangasek> since I'm minding the crank for this one, if you have any bugs that you think are milestone critical, please let me know :)
[16:32] <slangasek> there was a casper upload for a preseed issue (thanks, cjwatson)
[16:33] <slangasek> and it would be good to have a fixed wubi in - sounds like that's on track
[16:33] <slangasek> any other landmines in the alpha prep?
[16:33] <ev> new wubi is up
[16:34] <slangasek> yay
[16:34] <cjwatson> slangasek: wonder if we should release-note something about amd64 upgrades (cf. -devel)
[16:34] <slangasek> cjwatson, ev: did Israel get sorted?
[16:34] <cjwatson> no
[16:34] <cjwatson> I -> beta-1'ed that
[16:35] <slangasek> ok
[16:35] <slangasek> do you think that warrants a release note too?
[16:35] <cjwatson> probably, to stave off pitchforkage
[16:35] <cjwatson> ev: (wubi branch doesn't seem up to date though)
[16:36] <ev> fixed
[16:36] <ev> apols
[16:36] <slangasek> cjwatson: sorry, was that -devel or #-devel for the context?
[16:36] <slangasek> on amd64 upgrades
[16:37] <cjwatson> ev: aha, yes
[16:37] <cjwatson> slangasek: both :-)  the list has more exposition though
[16:38] <cjwatson> but briefly any oneiric amd64 system with ia32-libs needs some work to be upgradeable cleanly to precise
[16:38] <cjwatson> at least afaics
[16:38] <slangasek> cjwatson: oh right, the date changed so I'm looking in the wrong archive yay
[16:38] <cjwatson> I think it is fixable but not before tomorrow
[16:38] <slangasek> yes, I agree that sounds like it should be release noted
[16:39] <slangasek> what's our recommendation there?
[16:39] <slangasek> for users trying to upgrade, I mean
[16:39] <cjwatson> install apt first, if possible
[16:40] <cjwatson> (from precise)
[16:40] <cjwatson> that strategy worked for RAOF's system
[16:40] <slangasek> which is stepping pretty far outside of the update-manager workflow.  Do we want to give them a pointer in the release notes to the launchpad page for a direct download from the librarian?
[16:40] <slangasek> or do we assume "if you're running 64-bit and upgrading to an alpha, you can figure it out" :)
[16:41] <cjwatson> well, the list thread was about fixing the update-manager workflow :)  I don't know that it has to be polished for a milestone
[16:41] <cjwatson> it wouldn't just be a single download since you need new libapt-pkg as well
[16:41] <slangasek> yep
[16:41] <cjwatson> we could publish a python-apt program that did it ... but well, not sure it's worth it
[16:41] <slangasek> cjwatson: can you take the action to get this release-noted in some fashion?
[16:42] <cjwatson> yes
[16:42] <slangasek> thanks
[16:42] <slangasek> [ACTION] cjwatson to release-note the ia32-libs o->p upgrade issue
[16:42] <meetingology> ACTION: cjwatson to release-note the ia32-libs o->p upgrade issue
[16:42] <slangasek> anything else we're worried about for a2?
[16:42] <slangasek> if not, we can look a little farther ahead...
[16:43] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Bugs
[16:43] <bdmurray> well we talked about bug 922330 already
[16:43]  * slangasek nods
[16:43] <ev> could someone lean on the security team to look at bug 913694 for me?
[16:44] <jdstrand> ev: it is on my list for this week
[16:44] <ev> jdstrand: yay!
[16:44] <ev> cheers
[16:44] <bdmurray> I ran acrss bug 550717 recently
[16:45] <slangasek> doko_: btw, where are we with java-access-bridge switching off of at-spi?  the task is assigned to TheMuso and targeted to a2, but it looks like desktop team thinks the remaining changes needed are in openjdk-6?
[16:45]  * cjwatson giggles manically at "accessibility" and "easy" in the same sentence
[16:46] <slangasek> as easy as 1, 2, shift+ctrl+meta+backtick
[16:46] <doko_> slangasek, not yet there, have committed it, but it crashes, need to look at it
[16:46] <slangasek> doko_: alrighty
[16:47] <cjwatson> I think half of that bug is probably fixed and the other half of the suggested change isn't something we'd be prepared to do
[16:47] <cjwatson> I'll look into it and leave a comment
[16:47] <bdmurray> okay thanks
[16:48] <bdmurray> Then bug 852181 isn't about one of our packages, I think, but is easily confused for one
[16:48] <bdmurray> Its about apt watcher in indicator session
[16:50] <slangasek> somewhere between update-notifier and indicator-session, I guess
[16:52] <slangasek> bdmurray: given that I don't think any of us have the spare bandwidth to dive into indicator-session to fix it, not sure what else we can do there?
[16:53] <bdmurray> I'll see if there are more duplicates about that bug hiding in update-notifier or update-manager to see if there are lots
[16:53] <slangasek> makes sense
[16:53] <bdmurray> Okay, that's that then
[16:53]  * slangasek adds a tag to the bug too ;)
[16:53] <slangasek> bdmurray: ok, thanks!
[16:53] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:53] <slangasek> anything else?
[16:54] <doko_> http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20120201-precise.html
[16:54] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[16:54] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Feb  1 16:54:28 2012 UTC.
[16:54] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-01-16.04.moin.txt
[16:54] <doko_> is now running
[16:54] <barry> thanks!
[16:54] <slangasek> aha, there was something else :P
[16:54] <doko_> and ...
[16:54] <slangasek> doko_: cool - how do the results look so far?
[16:54] <doko_> please give the eglibc 2.15 packages a try
[16:54] <slangasek> and thanks all :)
[16:55] <stgraber> thanks!
[16:55] <doko_> slangasek, good, just needed to extend the rpclib reversal
[16:55] <slangasek> heh
[16:55] <slangasek> I guess we need to tackle that for 12.10, don't we
[16:56] <doko_> I'm planning the upload for next Tuesday
[16:56] <slangasek> ... which means I should get my pam package repo regrafted onto the new upstream git one of these days so I can package new upstream releases without crying
[16:56] <slangasek> doko_: is there a threshold of feedback you're looking for before uploading?
[16:57] <slangasek> maybe you can ask the qa team to help exercise it?
[16:58] <doko_> I'll ask on distro and ubuntu-devel
[16:59] <doko_> but for now pitti and smoser are running it without issues
[16:59] <smoser> hm...
[17:00] <smoser> i had to remove it. but likely unrelated issues.
[17:00] <doko_> you don"t?
[17:00] <smoser> i'm sorry for being so unhelpful, doku_
[17:00] <smoser> doko_
[17:07] <balloons> hello everyone
[17:07] <retoaded> Hello
[17:07] <balloons> let's get started.. sorry for being a bit late :-)
[17:07] <balloons> #start-meeting
[17:08] <balloons> #startmeeting
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[17:09] <balloons> me and my dashes in commands.. whew
[17:09] <charlie-tca> :)
[17:09] <balloons> ok, it's been quite a week for everyone and I know your busy so I will try and keep this short.
[17:09] <balloons> [TOPIC] Previous Actions
[17:09] <balloons> we have 3 outstanding actions.. gema, myself and alourie
[17:10] <balloons> Let's start with "gema and balloons to provide feedback from mozilla caseconductor meeting"
[17:11] <balloons> gema, feel free to chome in after myself.. Gema and I met with the case conductor folks on friday.
[17:11] <gema> will do
[17:12] <balloons> We talked about the list of requirements we need for case conductor to support our testing. In particular, we noted we are testing groups of applications, not a single application, and in addition we needed to define tests at an application level, but define test runs and cycles at a higher level
[17:12] <albrigha> I'm present btw.
[17:13] <balloons> gema, I believe that list of requirements was decided on by the list in dec, correct?
[17:13] <gema> yes
[17:14] <balloons> great, so if you haven't seen, go look at the list archives. I'll try and find a link in a min as well
[17:14] <balloons> The case conductor folks seemed excitied we would be using the product and wanted to make the changes so the tool would be generic enough for others like ourselves to use
[17:15] <balloons> our other concern was reporting, which they also mentioned they would be beefing up
[17:16] <balloons> overall I think it went well, and we committed to following up with them to help eliminate the confusion surrounding our requests. It wasn't easy for them to get the concept of so many apps and different flavors of ubuntu :-)
[17:17] <balloons> In addition, a charm has been created for case conductor, and sometime soon I trust we will have the new version running as a test for everyone to try out
[17:17] <balloons> Should happen sometime this month
[17:17]  * balloons crosses fingers
[17:18] <balloons> that's it for me on that.. gema?
[17:18] <gema> nothing to add, you did a good summary
[17:18] <balloons> questions?
[17:18] <balloons> here is the link to the archive thread btw: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-qa/2011-December/001805.html
[17:19] <balloons> ok, doesn't look like alourie is present, so we will move his action out again
[17:19] <balloons> ACTION:alourie to feature AutomatedTesting wiki page prominently in wiki, based upon list discussion
[17:19] <balloons> [ACTION]:alourie to feature AutomatedTesting wiki page prominently in wiki, based upon list discussion
[17:19] <meetingology> ACTION: :alourie to feature AutomatedTesting wiki page prominently in wiki, based upon list discussion
[17:19] <gema> balloons: maybe we should talk to alourie and if he cannot progress this action, have someone else modify the wiki
[17:19] <gema> in the meantime
[17:20] <balloons> yes, I agree.
[17:20] <balloons> last action ACTION: balloons to continue test case review and provide updates on progress
[17:21] <balloons> I can update and say that we got all of the nautilus test cases reviewed and in the wiki.. In addition, more have been written and are awaiting entrance to the wiki. We made some good progress
[17:22] <balloons> I will note that case conductor will allow us to export our test cases and import them into case conductor when the time comes, so we will not be having to do rework
[17:23] <balloons> That also came out of speaking with the cc folks
[17:24] <balloons> ok, let's move on
[17:24] <balloons> does anyone have anything to add to the agenda? I'll call on you at the end if so
[17:25] <balloons> ok.. nice and short then :-)
[17:25] <balloons> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Flavor Updates
[17:25] <balloons> let's start with kubuntu.. anything to update us on?
[17:26] <balloons> ScottK?
[17:26] <ScottK> Nothing I'm aware of.
[17:26] <balloons> ok, thank you
[17:26] <ScottK> Darkwing: You got anything?
[17:27] <ScottK> I guess not.
[17:27] <balloons> :-).. I know charlie-tca is here.. let's move on to xubuntu.. any updates?
[17:28] <charlie-tca> hi
[17:28] <charlie-tca> I am running out of time to get alpha2 images tested
[17:28] <balloons> yes.. time is flying by this week!
[17:29] <charlie-tca> I don' t see any real showstoppers, but I don't know if we can get them done in time. Respins are just starting now
[17:29] <charlie-tca> We are looking good other than that.
[17:29] <charlie-tca> ..
[17:29] <balloons> :-) hang tough..
[17:30] <balloons> astraljava, ubuntu-studio updates? how are you doing on alpha2 images?
[17:30] <astraljava> We are doing them, but at least for me, they're not looking too hot.
[17:30] <astraljava> I'm in the process of filing bugs ATM.
[17:30] <astraljava> We're debating on whether we need a respin or not.
[17:31] <astraljava> ...cause we're missing lightdm-greeter session handling in -default-settings.
[17:31] <astraljava> But at least we're getting there. :)
[17:31] <astraljava> ..
[17:31] <balloons> :-) good luck and thanks! better to have found the bugs now before beta :-)
[17:31] <astraljava> Exactly. :)
[17:31] <charlie-tca> +1
[17:32] <balloons> philw, i believe your around here as wel.. lubuntu updates?
[17:32] <balloons> I saw the mailing list post.. did you get any feedback on it/
[17:32] <phillw> we still have an issue with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/918401
[17:33] <phillw> no reply for a Mac tester, I'm going to ask on the main forum.
[17:33] <balloons> phillw, sadly (well happily for me but :-) ) I no longer have a macbook
[17:34] <phillw> nothing else to report.
[17:34] <balloons> thanks phillw -- if anyone has access to a mac and a dvd reader on said machine, get in contact with philw.. he needs help testing a lubuntu iso
[17:35] <balloons> stgraber, highvoltage : how about edubuntu?
[17:36] <balloons> ok.. moving on to last topic
[17:36] <highvoltage> balloons: I've been doing ISO tests for edubuntu today, new spins coming up soon
[17:36] <highvoltage> balloons: last night we had a good UDW session, otherwise all our other stuff is in the ubuntu-release updates
[17:37] <balloons> highvoltage, great to hear1
[17:37] <balloons> no breaking issues then?
[17:37] <highvoltage> nope
[17:38] <balloons> awesome..
[17:38] <balloons> ok, now we'll move on ;-)
[17:38] <balloons> [TOPIC] Other topics
[17:38] <balloons> gema, or jibel could you give a quick update on iso testing?
[17:38] <balloons> from ubuntu side of the fence
[17:39] <jibel> hi
[17:39] <jibel> we are currently testing Precise Alpha2 for those who missed the  post to the ML
[17:40] <jibel> Bugs already found http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/defects/opened
[17:40] <jibel> all the Ubuntu images are being respun and should be available in the next hours
[17:40] <jibel> so stay tuned on #ubuntu-testing
[17:41] <balloons> thank you jibel :-)
[17:41] <jibel> amd+mac to completely uncovered
[17:41] <jibel> s/to/is
[17:41] <jibel> if you have a mac and can test Precise on it that'd be greatly appreciated
[17:42] <balloons> ohh I see.. http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/206/builds
[17:42] <jibel> if you don't have a mac you can help with other images as they appear on the tracker.
[17:42] <jibel> and if you run Windows
[17:42] <jibel> you can help testing Wubi!
[17:43] <jibel> ..
[17:43] <balloons> great, one last call for additional topics?
[17:43] <balloons> last chance.. :-)
[17:44] <balloons> ok, sounds good. Happy testing to everyone and good luck on alpha 2!
[17:44] <balloons> #endmeeting
[17:44] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Feb  1 17:44:22 2012 UTC.
[17:44] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-01-17.08.moin.txt
[17:44] <njin> good luck
[17:44] <charlie-tca> Thanks for chairing, balloons
[17:44] <jibel> thanks balloons
[17:44] <njin> thanks ballons
[17:44] <balloons> yvw.. you guys are great to chair for
[18:01] <bdmurray> Its time for the bugsquad meeting
[18:01] <bdmurray> #startmeeting
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[18:02] <bdmurray> #topic Previous Actions
[18:02] <bdmurray> We have one action from the last meeting
[18:02] <bdmurray> ACTION: create a list of apport-crash bugs with "DBus.Error.NoReply" in the title with bug information regarding status, importance, number of dupes and users affected: bdmurray
[18:02] <bdmurray> I haven't had a chance to finish this but I've started a search now
[18:03] <bdmurray> #topic Engineering Team Bug Status
[18:04] <bdmurray> The foundations team is working on a fix for bug 922330
[18:05] <bdmurray> While it won't be available on the CD it'll fix the issue for people just using wubi.exe
[18:06] <bdmurray> I've uploaded a new version of update-manager for precise that'll fix an issue with attachments that I may have mentioned last week
[18:06] <bdmurray> Otherwise we are busy with alpha 2 bugs ;-)
[18:07] <bdmurray> jsalisbury: do you have anything?
[18:09] <bdmurray> Ursinha: do you have anything for the meeting?
[18:10] <jsalisbury> bdmurray, no new updates from me.
[18:11] <bdmurray> jsalisbury: kerneloops is working out okay?
[18:11] <jsalisbury> bdmurray, yes indeed.  Adding plenty more work to ;-)
[18:11] <jsalisbury> bdmurray, its help identify a few bugs so far.
[18:12] <bdmurray> great
[18:12] <bkerensa> hmm
[18:13] <bdmurray> jsalisbury: you might think about when you want to turn it off too
[18:13] <jsalisbury> bdmurray, yes, good to keep in mind.  I'll check with the kernel team.
[18:13] <bdmurray> okay moving on
[18:13] <bdmurray> #topic Bug Escalations (any High or Critical bugs that community members have seen that need attention)
[18:14] <bdmurray> Are there any bugs taht need looking at / review?
[18:14] <bdmurray> High or critical type ones that is
[18:17] <bdmurray> #topic Other Topics
[18:17] <bdmurray> bkerensa: do you have anything?
[18:18] <bkerensa> bdmurray: I was hoping someone might have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/902479 hopefully before we reach release
[18:18] <bkerensa> This bug has been present as far as I can recall since perhaps 11.04
[18:19] <bdmurray> bkerensa: I've been meaning to test that, thanks for bringing it up
[18:19] <bkerensa> It isn't a terribly bad bug but if a install stalls it could help for troubleshooting purposes to see where its stalling
[18:21] <bdmurray> bkerensa: okay, I'll have a look at it this week
[18:21] <bkerensa> excellent
[18:23] <bdmurray> Oh there are quite a few merge proposals for the bug patterns bzr branch if anyone wants to help review them
[18:23] <bkerensa> bdmurray: I plan on re-applying for control in the coming weeks so I can do a little more then triage
[18:24] <bdmurray> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/apport/ubuntu-bugpatterns/+activereviews
[18:24] <bdmurray> ^ there is a link
[18:24] <bdmurray> bkerensa: great!
[18:25] <bdmurray> okay thanks everyone
[18:25] <bdmurray> #endmeeting
[18:25] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Feb  1 18:25:22 2012 UTC.
[18:25] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-01-18.01.moin.txt
[18:26] <Ursinha> argh
[18:26] <Ursinha> ARGH
[18:26] <Ursinha> unity, y u no showing notifications!?
[20:02] <phillw> @startmeeting Lubuntu Team Meeting
[20:02] <meetingology> phillw: Error: "startmeeting" is not a valid command.
[20:02] <benonsoftware> phillw: Its # :P
[20:02] <rafaellaguna> LOL
[20:02] <amjjawad> :)
[20:02] <phillw> #startmeeting Lubuntu Team Meeting
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[20:02] <amjjawad> easy on him guys
[20:02] <michaelrawson> poor phill.
[20:02] <benonsoftware> :P
[20:02] <wxl> \o/
[20:03] <jmarsden|work> o/
[20:03] <michaelrawson> o/
[20:03] <phillw> hi folks!
[20:03] <StephenSmally> hi!
[20:03] <Yorvyk> \o
[20:03] <moergaes> Mörgæs o/
[20:03] <amjjawad> Hi :)
[20:03] <iceroot> o/
[20:03] <rafaellaguna> hi :)
[20:03] <wxl> hi not-gilir
[20:03] <phillw> #topic previous actions
[20:04] <phillw> As Julien is niot here, I'll carry his action over to the next meeting
[20:04] <phillw> #topic update from QA
[20:04] <wxl> was that the unity/lightdm bug?
[20:05] <phillw> The bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/918401 is still there and I have just seen the mailing list suggest things may have gotten worse.
[20:05] <amjjawad> phillw: r u talking about my email?
[20:06] <phillw> the one suggesting 100MB of unity updates have appeared.
[20:06] <wxl> yeah, ok, bummer that we can't deal with that asap as this new unity issue in alpha 2 is probably going to end up revealing that bug is still there
[20:06] <wxl> i.e. i don't think they're related bugs-- but two really nasty ones
[20:06] <rafaellaguna> so it's a dependency bug
[20:06] <wxl> but i guess that's neither here nor there
[20:06] <michaelrawson> Are dep bugs hard to fix?
[20:07] <amjjawad> are we talking about this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1918534
[20:07] <michaelrawson> Because the only way I see is tracing the train of deps until we find one that references unity.
[20:07] <wxl> amjjawad: yes
[20:07] <jmarsden|work> Guys, the topci is "Update from QA" -- let Phill provide the update :)
[20:07] <amjjawad> wxl: thanks :)
[20:07] <rafaellaguna> remember that we're going gtk-greeter
[20:08] <iceroot> michaelrawson: aptitude why unity
[20:08] <phillw> There were two builds today, I've got the newer one & will trying it later.
[20:08] <michaelrawson> aah
[20:08] <michaelrawson> thanks iceroot!
[20:08] <wxl> i looked for alpha 2 last night and couldn't find it. where is the iso?
[20:09] <phillw> the a2 has not been released yet. We're still on daily build.
[20:09] <amjjawad> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[20:09] <wxl> phillw: thx
[20:09] <amjjawad> this is what I told the guys on that thread but looks like they insited :/
[20:09] <amjjawad> anyway, so updates from QA?
[20:10] <amjjawad> insisted*
[20:11] <phillw> We still got a bug, and possibly another one has landed. I'll update the bug report, the testing system for QA of isos is progressing. Not much else from the QA team.
[20:11] <phillw> #topic Update from IRC OPs
[20:12] <phillw> Unit193: is there an update about IRC OPs?
[20:13] <Unit193> Seems not everyone is in the two new channels, but that coudl be because they haven't been online
[20:13] <Unit193> Not two new Lubu, just for OPs
[20:14] <wxl> new channels just for ops you mean?
[20:14] <Myrtti> _o/
[20:14] <Unit193> Well there's one
[20:14] <Unit193> Myrtti: Anything I'm missing?
[20:14] <wxl> Unit193: you said two? and one? um?
[20:15] <Unit193> wxl: Two new channels for the OPs, but there's one other OP that spoke
[20:15] <Myrtti> well the transition seems to be going well atleast from my viewpoint, we might want to discuss the duplicity of the launchpad groups
[20:16] <Unit193> Right, one was setup before, and had an easy way to contact other than IRC
[20:16] <Unit193> From this side it's hit a few bumbs
[20:16] <Myrtti> I'm new to Lubuntu but old to the IRC ops operations so I can help in some regards - don't plan to push my agenda or viewpoints to anyone, I'm here just for fun and giggles
[20:18] <phillw> Unit193: do you want to remove the listing we had before we were adopted?
[20:18] <Unit193> We'll see if it's of any use
[20:19] <Myrtti> I'd suggest no decisions on that is made yet, the issue hasn't been prepared enough to decide either way
[20:19] <phillw> okies, anything else to report?
[20:20] <phillw> #topic Update from comms team
[20:20] <phillw> It has been decided to not go ahead with the interviews with muktah owing to negative comments about their level of professionalism.
[20:21] <phillw> We'll get something re-scheduled and put onto ubuntu.net
[20:21] <amjjawad> phillw: so it's final?
[20:21] <amjjawad> nothing with them whatsoever?
[20:21] <phillw> yeah.
[20:22] <amjjawad> ok :)
[20:22] <phillw> #topic Update from Support
[20:22] <phillw> amjjawad: ?
[20:22] <amjjawad> Ok, I already reported that bug about Unity on the mailing list
[20:22] <amjjawad> everyone is informed now :)
[20:23] <amjjawad> another thing is, I have started to recruit new members to my team (support team). Those members are known to be very active on the forum with many years of experience
[20:23] <amjjawad> one of them has already joined today and I'm still looking for more
[20:23] <rafaellaguna> that sounds great!
[20:23] <phillw> excellent :)
[20:24] <amjjawad> One thing I don't understand ... why we keep waiting for some action from UBT?
[20:24] <amjjawad> I mean, can't we make our own beginner team but yet part of them somehow? I see no progress from them for months now??!!
[20:25] <phillw> amjjawad: I understand their draft structure will be out before the end of this month.
[20:25] <amjjawad> but we've been heard that many times now?
[20:25] <phillw> I had not.
[20:25] <amjjawad> point is, I can be a mentor for Lubuntu beginners users
[20:25] <phillw> But I'm chatting to the guy writing it :)
[20:25] <amjjawad> only Lubuntu
[20:26] <amjjawad> I care about Lubuntu the most as all of u know
[20:26] <michaelrawson> ;)
[20:26] <phillw> amjjawad: which will possibly be a Focus Group.
[20:26] <amjjawad> yes
[20:26] <amjjawad> why not :)
[20:27] <amjjawad> I've been very sick lately and my recovery is really slow. Once I'm fully recovered, I'll start to write a full guide for beginner
[20:27] <amjjawad> then I'll help StephenSmally to write some Docs about LSC :)
[20:27] <phillw> amjjawad: take your time & get better. Poorly people are not as efficient as well people!
[20:27] <amjjawad> oh, and wxl has created a group for Lubuntu and both of us are taking care of it https://www.facebook.com/groups/lubuntu.official/
[20:28] <StephenSmally> Ok, i figured out i had to help you, not the reverse XD
[20:28] <amjjawad> phillw: I can't stay clam, u know me  :P
[20:28] <michaelrawson> StephenSmally: it's the only way with AJ. :P
[20:28] <amjjawad> calm*
[20:29] <phillw> okay, Chris is running late this week, so we'll move onto StephenSmally
[20:29] <amjjawad> StephenSmally: yes yes sure :D
[20:29] <wxl> everyone should join the group
[20:29] <StephenSmally> Here i go
[20:29] <phillw> #topic LXLauncher
[20:29] <wxl> it's called "LUBUNTU OFFICIAL"
[20:29] <wxl> so it is THE ONE
[20:29] <StephenSmally> wxl: i'm joining now
[20:29] <StephenSmally> Well LxLauncher
[20:29] <rafaellaguna> o_O
[20:30] <StephenSmally> as you probably have seen on the Mailing List, i'm working on a rewrite of LxLauncher
[20:30] <StephenSmally> to give you an idea, here a screenshot (two min ago) of lxlauncher (the rewrite) themed with css
[20:30] <StephenSmally> http://i40.tinypic.com/bip24y.jpg
[20:30] <michaelrawson> now that's cool.
[20:30] <michaelrawson> but why the gaps?
[20:31] <StephenSmally> Because are category-sorted
[20:31] <michaelrawson> ahah. :)
[20:31] <StephenSmally> on the right you see the categories (needs some separators), and on the right the apps
[20:31] <StephenSmally> in this screenshot is themed a little like gnome shell
[20:32] <StephenSmally> but every theme is possible, since is just gtk theming
[20:32] <rafaellaguna> even icon sizes and transparency?
[20:32] <StephenSmally> rafaellaguna is better at this ;-)
[20:32] <StephenSmally> mmm no
[20:32] <amjjawad> StephenSmally: quick Q
[20:33] <StephenSmally> the icon size and the number of columns are configured by a desktop file
[20:33] <StephenSmally> amjjawad:
[20:33] <amjjawad> LXLauncher will work like Unity Menu or something similar?
[20:33] <phillw> grr
[20:33] <StephenSmally> can you explain better?
[20:33] <rafaellaguna> anyway, it's configurable someway
[20:33] <amjjawad> I couldn't follow the emails coz I was sick
[20:33] <michaelrawson> phillw: lol, I thought somebody would say that.
[20:33] <amjjawad> so LxLauncher ... why it looks like Unity menu?
[20:34] <StephenSmally> rafaellaguna: you can configure the columns number, the theme and the icon size
[20:34] <StephenSmally> amjjawad: because now is themed like the unity menu ;-)
[20:34] <StephenSmally> we can theme as we want
[20:34] <amjjawad> I'll send you later and discuss about that
[20:34] <amjjawad> keep the meeting going :)
[20:35] <StephenSmally> Anyway, it won't be ready for Precise, so we have all the time to speak about and so on
[20:35] <rafaellaguna> once knowing the css/gtk bases, everything will run
[20:35] <rafaellaguna> there was no intention of removing current LxLauncher
[20:35] <amjjawad> good so we have time, phew :D
[20:36] <rafaellaguna> until replacing with this
[20:36] <StephenSmally> only if we (the community) think is better than the current lxlauncher we will replace it
[20:36] <rafaellaguna> of course
[20:37] <phillw> StephenSmally: thanks.
[20:37] <rafaellaguna> but I'd like to get rid off that annoying GTK2 and dependant libraries from the distro
[20:37] <rafaellaguna> it will be cleaner for devs and for designers :)
[20:37] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha
[20:38] <amjjawad> Hola MrChrisDruif :)
[20:38] <MrChrisDruif> At what topic are we?
[20:38] <michaelrawson> lxlauncher
[20:38] <michaelrawson> mk. II
[20:38] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: just about at yours, I made you next
[20:38] <MrChrisDruif> Coolio
[20:39] <phillw> #topic Update from Docs / Wiki
[20:39]  * MrChrisDruif first grabs food
[20:39] <StephenSmally> anyway, it act in way similar to unity
[20:39] <StephenSmally> but is not a shell
[20:39] <StephenSmally> is always in background (omnipresent)
[20:39] <StephenSmally> and if you want launch an app, just click on.
[20:39] <StephenSmally> just think at it like the current lxlauncher, and how it act in the current Lubuntu netbook session
[20:39] <StephenSmally> my rewrite is thinked also for tablet (in the current lxlauncher is impossible change tab with finger)
[20:39] <StephenSmally> anyway, for comparision
[20:39] <StephenSmally> current lxlauncher: http://wiki.lxde.org/en/images/5/5c/LXlauncher.png
[20:40] <rafaellaguna> my personal headache
[20:40] <MrChrisDruif> Is the previous topic done? Whatever it was?
[20:41] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: I think so, I didn't realise StephenSmally was writing!
[20:41] <StephenSmally> rafaellaguna: agree
[20:41] <MrChrisDruif> StephenSmally; done?
[20:41] <StephenSmally> done ;-)
[20:41] <MrChrisDruif> Awesome
[20:42] <MrChrisDruif> Anyhow, work has started on some level with the wiki
[20:43] <MrChrisDruif> My friend and current chair phillw began setting up some pages to practice with the #divert tag
[20:43] <MrChrisDruif> When he's done with that he'll also write some docs on how to use that, thanks already for what you've done phillw
[20:44] <amjjawad> I'm updating some pages every time I find myself ree
[20:44] <amjjawad> free*
[20:45] <amjjawad> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ContactUs << today I updated this page
[20:45] <MrChrisDruif> Secondly on the help pages we've got a FAQ section. which now is divided into Guides and Workarounds, which is not a good divider if you ask me
[20:45] <amjjawad> and I'm sure phillw and MrChrisDruif know about the issue I mentioned earlier :)
[20:45] <MrChrisDruif> I notice sometimes amjjawad
[20:46] <MrChrisDruif> About the duplicity amjjawad ?
[20:46] <amjjawad> +1 I don't like the current FAQ layout
[20:46] <amjjawad> MrChrisDruif: yes
[20:46] <amjjawad> I sent many emails today and I'm totally lost now :/ I did not get replies yet!
[20:47] <MrChrisDruif> One suggestion is replacing it with a indication level to the experience a user would require to use them
[20:47] <MrChrisDruif> amjjawad; I had to work today, having dinner as we speak
[20:47] <amjjawad> MrChrisDruif: are we talking about FAQ now?
[20:47] <MrChrisDruif> Yes
[20:47] <amjjawad> MrChrisDruif: whenever you are free, ping me on Gtalk
[20:47] <amjjawad> ok?
[20:48] <amjjawad> we need to talk :)
[20:48]  * MrChrisDruif lost track of mind
[20:48] <amjjawad> so we talk discuss other stuff on the meeting as our time is tight
[20:48] <phillw> (20:47:06) MrChrisDruif: One suggestion is replacing it with a indication level to the experience a user would require to use them
[20:48] <Unit193> We also need to not sandbox out wiki from the rest
[20:49] <rafaellaguna> sorry guys, need to go. as always, it was a pleasure
[20:49] <amjjawad> cya rafaellaguna ;)
[20:49] <michaelrawson> bye rafael
[20:49] <phillw> tc rafaellaguna
[20:49] <MrChrisDruif> Anyhow, I think the most effective way for the docs team is to use the mailing-list
[20:49] <rafaellaguna> ;)
[20:49] <MrChrisDruif> I'm not always available for meetings or chats
[20:50] <phillw> sounds good :)
[20:50] <amjjawad> MrChrisDruif: ok but ...
[20:50] <MrChrisDruif> I'll reply to your mails amjjawad
[20:50] <amjjawad> sometimes, I get no reply for something important
[20:50] <amjjawad> ok then :)
[20:50] <amjjawad> anything else left for the meeting?
[20:51] <phillw> #topic UpDate from Devs?
[20:51] <wxl> amjjawad: as i said i've just been busy
[20:51] <phillw> Anyone from dev team here?
[20:51] <amjjawad> wxl: never mind, I knwo ;)
[20:51] <wxl> …but i'm fully behind you :)
[20:51] <amjjawad> know*
[20:52] <gilir> phillw, I can finish the meeting with some news
[20:52] <phillw> of course!
[20:52] <gilir> (and hi guys :))
[20:52] <wxl> !!!
[20:52] <amjjawad> hey :)
[20:52] <gilir> sorry for missing the party today :)
[20:52] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha gilir
[20:52] <moergaes> Hi there.
[20:52] <wxl> (( we should finish the meeting by going back to our first topic!!! )))
[20:53] <gilir> speaking of alpha 2 ...
[20:53] <gilir> you probably noticed the "little" problem on alpha 2
[20:53] <MrChrisDruif> gilir; what is up with the pulling of unity to Lubuntu?
[20:53] <wxl> hah
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[20:53] <gilir> on desktop ISO, we have unity installed, it's a bug
[20:53] <amjjawad> gilir: yeah?
[20:54] <StephenSmally> i missed something?
[20:54] <amjjawad> great news :)
[20:54] <wxl> what of lightdm-gtk-greeter/unity-greeter issue? i pointed out that i still have the problem with a fresh daily.
[20:54] <gilir> probably because we have still unity-greeter, with generate a chain of horrible depends
[20:54] <amjjawad> StephenSmally: yes, gilir is here :D
[20:54] <StephenSmally> good!
[20:55] <MrChrisDruif> So it's due to unity-greeter?
[20:55] <amjjawad> so gilir any time frame when that bug will be fixed? just for everyone's info :)
[20:55] <gilir> alpha 2 will be rebuilt later tonight, but I fear the desktop ISO will not be good enough
[20:55] <gilir> amjjawad, problem is, I don't know why we have still it on the ISO
[20:56] <wxl> as i said above ^^ i think a major bug still remains
[20:56] <amjjawad> gilir: so is that bad news?
[20:56] <amjjawad> wxl: yes :(
[20:56] <gilir> amjjawad, not bad news, we have time to fix it, just not time to fix it for alpha 2
[20:56] <MrChrisDruif> Would it be a problem for anyone if we prolonged this meeting with about 30 mins?
[20:56] <wxl> hey *I* have a question
[20:56] <amjjawad> gilir: thanks but are you saying it might be fixed with Beta1 ?
[20:57] <wxl> is there any way we can get the ppc daily to NOT be oversized?
[20:57] <phillw> bugs at alpha, expected... bugs at beta... bad news.
[20:57] <StephenSmally> no problem MrChrisDruif
[20:57] <gilir> amjjawad, no, it must be fixed, alpha 2 is still a developpement release
[20:57] <amjjawad> phillw: good tip :)
[20:57] <amjjawad> gilir: ok thanks :)
[20:57] <gilir> don't be too nervous about it, it's a not a big problem
[20:58] <gilir> it's just very visible :)
[20:58] <amjjawad> gilir: I'm not but users on the forum are somehow freaked out ... u know :)
[20:58] <wxl> amjjawad: reassure them
[20:58] <wxl> it's an alpha, we're testing
[20:58] <amjjawad> for me, I'm sure you guys will fix it  :)
[20:58] <gilir> wxl, yes, sorry about this, I hope futur daily will be better :/
[20:58] <MrChrisDruif> phillw; beta's still contain bugs, it would be bad if they still exist at final
[20:58] <amjjawad> Yes, will do that
[20:59] <wxl> gilir: ok, i just remembered you saying that you didn't have problems with latest daily and so i wanted to be sure i wasn't crazy :D
[21:00] <gilir> other news, lubuntu-software-center 0.0.4 should be ready after alpha 2
[21:02] <michaelrawson> gilir: would I be rigt in thinking that 0.0.4 is in bzr already?
[21:02] <gilir> michaelrawson, yes, just need to check with StephenSmally the steps to release a tarball
[21:03] <StephenSmally> (sorry, i'm new at this release stuffs)
[21:03] <gilir> StephenSmally, don't worry about this :)
[21:03] <gilir> any others questions ?
[21:04] <phillw> gilir: wxl had one re: the ppc isos. The macs only have cd drives. so oversize is a serious issue.
[21:05] <gilir> ah, I didn't know that :/
[21:05] <gilir> I'll try to be carefull for the future
[21:06] <gilir> phillw, it's all for devs team :)
[21:06] <phillw> gilir: as ever, thanks.
[21:06] <phillw> #topic any other business.
[21:07] <amjjawad> Yes
[21:07] <phillw> if there's nothing else, we can wrap up. Hopfully gilir will be back as chair next week :)
[21:07] <amjjawad> I have sent an email to the Comms team regarding an official feedback channel
[21:07] <michaelrawson> phillw
[21:07] <amjjawad> but that can wait :)
[21:07] <michaelrawson> nvm, just making sure you noticed AJ
[21:07] <amjjawad> nothing urgent
[21:08] <amjjawad> michaelrawson: thanks mate :)
[21:08] <phillw> #endmeeting
[21:08] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Feb  1 21:08:46 2012 UTC.
[21:08] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-02-01-20.02.moin.txt
[21:08] <MrChrisDruif> That's all folks?
[21:08] <gilir> thanks phillw :)
[21:09] <amjjawad> ok thanks everyone ... cya soon :)
[21:09] <amjjawad> there is a match to catch up with ;)
[21:09] <michaelrawson> StehpenSmally: can we meet in offtopic, or are you busy?
[21:09] <moergaes> See you all, bye!
[21:09] <michaelrawson> no problem if the latter.
[21:09] <StephenSmally> no problem
[21:09] <StephenSmally> channel?
[21:09] <MrChrisDruif> StephenSmally; #lubuntu-offtopic
[21:10] <StephenSmally> ok
[21:10] <StephenSmally> here we go
[21:10] <michaelrawson> lubuntu-offtopic, or lubuntu-software-center, whatever suits you. :)
[21:10] <michaelrawson> thanks phillw, gilir.
[21:10] <MrChrisDruif> michaelrawson; that's even a channel?
[21:10] <michaelrawson> when we frequent it XD
[21:10] <michaelrawson> usually me asking for help.
[21:10] <michaelrawson> :)
[21:10] <michaelrawson> kk, bye everyone!