[08:42] <Jordan_U> Can someone watch (and likely need to deal with) rick__ in #ubuntu? I'm going to sleep.
[09:01] <ikonia> watching
[13:44] <bazhang> he's done this before. no idea why he cannot install a browser; just "rekonq is broken"
[13:46] <bazhang> kubuntu has another default installed iirc
[13:46] <bazhang> konqueror ?
[13:46] <jussi> no
[13:46] <jussi> Rekonq comes by default
[13:47] <LjL> jussi: konqueror is also installed though, isn't it?
[13:47] <jussi> oh, btw...
[13:47] <jussi> LjL: nope
[13:48] <jussi> ciao!
[13:48] <jussi> !list
[13:48] <jussi> :P
[13:48] <LjL> uhm, i have it installed (precise) and i don't remember installing it, but who knows
[13:49] <jussi> dunno, but why is that guy not in #kubuntu?
[13:49] <Tm_T> Konqueror is part of default Kubuntu install
[13:49] <Tm_T> just not used to anything by default
[13:49] <bazhang> he was yesterday, and daskreech tried to help him, he just gave cryptic answers to troubleshooting
[13:51] <jussi> Tm_T: really? that doesnt sound correct to me - Im pretty sue it was replaced by rkonq...
[13:51] <jussi> bazhang: that doesnt give him an excuse to ask kubuntu questions in #ubuntu....
[13:51] <Tm_T> jussi: hmm, I can check, but I'm still quite sure
[13:51] <LjL> jussi: actually asking KDE/Kubuntu questions in #ubuntu was always considered ok afaik
[13:51] <Tm_T> it is ok
[13:52] <Tm_T> just could be better served at #k
[13:52] <bazhang> he wanted us to explain the "scamware" that was kdewallet and others
[13:52] <LjL> scamware?
[13:52] <bazhang> his word
[13:53]  * jussi wonders is babalu and zlozlz the same...
[13:53] <LjL> certainly the same IP
[14:15] <bazhang> differential updates? rsync + diff ?
[14:17] <LjL> he meant in APT
[14:18] <bazhang> so why is apt different from yum or whatever
[14:20] <LjL> what do you mean? fedora has differential updates for its packages, ubuntu (and apt in general) does not.
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[14:36] <bazhang> thats like 'pffft'
[14:36] <ikonia> bored of him all ready
[14:38] <jpds> Sometimes you just have to speak the tongue.
[14:39] <bazhang> fbk3 thinks theres a netsplit
[14:40] <ikonia> it's drunk
[14:46] <jpds> Great, now I'm doing Russian support in PM.
[14:46] <ikonia> da
[14:47] <bazhang> jpds, the muted user? or propelldrdnk
[14:47] <jpds> bazhang: The latter.
[14:47] <bazhang> I read that as larter
[14:47] <jpds> bazhang: лол.
[14:48] <bazhang> why is bluetooth built in to ubuntu?
[14:48] <bazhang> is that even a real question?
[15:11] <LjL> @mark #Ubuntu derpies just pasted something that's probably that X-Chat attack, but it might have been a mistaken
[15:11] <LjL> ... or not
[15:12] <Myrtti> tried to be, but wasn't
[15:12] <Myrtti> oh that first one perhaps
[15:55]  * mneptok tut-tuts LjL 
[15:55] <LjL> my policy is to correct misinformation :)
[15:55] <mneptok> let's not prolong "what is the most lightweight OS" discussions, hmmm? i'll buy you a Coke ....
[15:56] <mneptok> if i can stop myself from recommending Minix or Haiku ...  O:)
[15:56] <LjL> mneptok: !requirements say it is lighter. if i cannot correct an obvious Ubuntu-related misinformation given in #ubuntu...
[15:57] <Tm_T> I still have those MS DOS 3.2 disks lying somewhere...
[15:57] <LjL> mneptok: i didn't say it was the lightest or anything.
[15:58] <mneptok> LjL: i'm far too uncaffienated to be annoyed to the point that you need to explain anything :)
[16:00]  * LjL refrains from explaining English grammar to jdwhatever wrt comparative adjectives
[16:12] <LjL> bazhang: are you sure? i would say an unsecured wifi connection opens the door to all kinds of nasty remote exploits, since you're using a LAN that anyone can connect to...
[16:12] <bazhang> LjL, looks like a troll to me
[16:13] <LjL> that could be
 zippytech: that problem is a trademark of linux
[16:13] <bazhang> more FUD
[16:14] <LjL> i want to ban him already
 only reach people can afford secure wireless
[16:16] <bazhang> reach = rich, yes?
[16:16] <LjL> that was my interpretation
[16:17] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu jdhfr Prolonged offtopic and irrelevant commenting
[16:23] <bazhang> ufw is no longer updated? really?
[16:23] <jpds> No.
[16:27] <LjL> [17:26:53] <sipior> Boreeas: before you do that, make sure the reserved block percentage on that partition is set to zero: "sudo /sbintune2fs -m 0 /dev/<device>". should give you five percent of the volume back.
[16:27] <LjL> what do we think of this?
[16:28] <Myrtti> sounds dangerous
[16:28] <h00k> wat
[16:28] <h00k> that scares me.
[16:29] <LjL> ftr reserved blocks are for privileged processes to use when the disk is full
[16:29] <Tm_T> awww
[16:29] <LjL> so when user processes see the disk full, root processes will still have 5% free to do their stuff
[16:29] <h00k> reserved blocks may be also used to host backups of the file allocation table, IIRC
[16:30] <h00k> or for remapping of bad blocks
[16:30] <LjL> i'm not thrilled at the idea of people's systems being completely b0rked even from root just because they have filled their drive
[16:30] <h00k> which, I'm pretty sure still happens, blocks going bad.
[16:31] <LjL> i've seen sipior give his own advice before, he's probably knowledgeable but i don't think he should go around recommending changes from defaults just because he thinks those defaults are ancient and outdated, when there's nothing to replace them
[16:31] <Tm_T> LjL: I agree
[16:35] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu sipior recommending removal of any reserved blocks from ext filesystem in order to reclaim space, not giving any due disclaimers about what that might entail
[16:37] <jpds> Alright.
[16:38] <LjL> i'm out of this discussion with him, someone please review it
[16:38] <bazhang> ok
[16:38]  * h00k mewlings with LjL 
[16:40] <mneptok> i *certainly* change the 5% reserved to something lower on large volumes. but i always leave something for root to use to get journalling and process handling done.
[16:42] <LjL> mneptok: yes making it smaller makes sense, but he instructed the user to make it zero, and that was (probably, from what could be inferred from the discussion) on the root partition.
[16:43] <mneptok> yeah, i read his tune2fs command
[16:43] <mneptok> just stupid.
[16:44] <LjL> it's an attitude problem anyway, he thinks he can recommend whatever works for him or he thinks makes sense in the channel. that's not afaik how it works.
[16:44] <LjL> i've seen it before, will dig logs
[16:46] <mneptok> "keep users as close as possible to distro defaults" is the primary consideration in an official channel like #u, AFAIC.
[16:47] <Tm_T> yes
[16:47] <bazhang> no webupd8 PPA!!!???
[16:48] <Tm_T> mneptok: we just cannot provide support for any wild configuration people seem to prefer
[16:50] <mneptok> Tm_T: the problem is that we'll try. when that user shows up in 6 months with problems, we'll have no idea that their disk has 0 reserved blocks.
[16:50] <mneptok> if that's the issue, time and effort will be spent needlessly.
[17:13] <Tm_T> mneptok: I know
[17:14] <Tm_T> mneptok: just supporting the "keep users as close as possible to distro defaults" you said earlier as that's not just primary consideration but necessity
[17:36] <bazhang> oracle linux?
[21:24] <LjL> someone confirm that what blitz is using in -ot is the Windows X-Chat exploit
[21:25] <Myrtti> it is
[21:26] <blitz> LjL, I didn't know you wanted me to stop
[21:26] <blitz> I was more than happy to comply
[21:26] <LjL> blitz: i didn't know trying exploits on people's clients was acceptable practice in #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:26] <blitz> those were music notes
[21:26] <blitz> and mahjong tiles...
[21:27] <blitz> I wasn't trying to exploit peoples clients
[21:27] <blitz> I don't even know how to do that
[21:27] <blitz> nor would I
[21:29] <blitz> I thought all clients supported UTF-8
[21:29] <blitz> if trying to make smile isn't allowed in #ubuntu-offtopic I won't come back
[21:30] <blitz> make people smile*
[21:30] <AlanBell> blitz: we are trying to figure out what characters they were
[21:30] <blitz> http://www.utf8-chartable.de/unicode-utf8-table.pl
[21:30] <blitz> I was just getting them form there
[21:30] <AlanBell> It doesn't seem anyone sees them as notes and mahjong cards
[21:31] <blitz> im uploading a screenshot
[21:31] <LjL> blitz: look i'll just let you back in for the time being, since i can't say i'm sure it was an exploit attempt. i just really hope it wasn't.
[21:31] <AlanBell> screenshot would still be interesting
[21:32] <AlanBell> blitz: it came through as a replacement character for me at least http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/fffd/index.htm
[21:34] <pangolin> I saw them as notes and majng tiles
[21:34] <blitz> I assume xchat didn't encode it correctly going out then
[21:34] <blitz> or it did
[21:34] <LjL> blitz: ok, thing is, apparently those characters *will* crash some versions of X-Chat, so please avoid them if you can
[21:34] <pangolin> a smiley, ace of clubs...
[21:34] <blitz> http://i.imgur.com/6axgs.png
[21:35] <blitz> k, I was unaware LjL
[21:35]  * AlanBell checks irssi utf-8 settings
[21:35] <LjL> blitz: you're free to rejoin, sorry for the misunderstanding
[21:35] <blitz> np