[00:00] <hamitron> directhex, you still not worked out if you are mummy, or daddy?
[00:00] <hamitron> :|
[00:00] <directhex> i'd like to know in advance which game is the story of a plucky woman's adventures in the underground of an oppressive dictatorial space army, and which one is a side-scrolling homoerotic ps1 game. it seems if you enable parental controls, you can't know what a game is until you launch it
[00:01] <ali1234> what games are those?
[00:02] <ali1234> metroid and streets of rage?
[00:02] <gordonjcp> directhex: they both sound okay actually
[00:02] <AlanBell> directhex: ps3 roulette
[00:02] <gordonjcp> I reckon "parental controls" just cause more problems than they solve
[00:03] <AlanBell> parents like to think they are in control
[00:03] <gordonjcp> surely you do that by actually watching your children
[00:03] <AlanBell> gordonjcp: note they are not called "child controls"
[00:04] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: a long time ago when a friend of mine was getting pressure to set up a PC for his two stepsons, one was 9 and one was 13 or so
[00:04] <gordonjcp> and all the web filtering stuff he had found was crap, and mostly didn't block objectionable content and *did* block CBeebies
[00:04] <gordonjcp> so we set him up with a transparent proxy
[00:05] <AlanBell> my kids have no filtering and each have a computer
[00:05] <ali1234> i was building my own computers at 13
[00:05] <gordonjcp> and the house rules were, stay off things you think mum and dad would be annoyed about, and it's all logged
[00:05] <AlanBell> I can ssh into their machines and do "sudo halt" remotely
[00:05] <gordonjcp> of course if they figured out how to crack root and destroy the evidence, fair play to them
[00:05] <gordonjcp> shows initiative
[00:05] <AlanBell> agreed
[00:06] <hamitron> or activate a firewall
[00:06] <hamitron> ;)
[00:06] <gordonjcp> "if not duffers then won't drown" and all that
[00:06] <directhex> ali1234: beyond good and evil hd, and cho aniki
[00:06] <gordonjcp> I liked Ikaruga
[00:06] <gordonjcp> I never get drunk enough to play it any more though
[00:07] <drhodesmumby> Hekki.
[00:09] <directhex> cho aniki is the same kind of genre. but with more of this: http://v2.onipepper.de/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/choaniki_011.jpg
[00:10] <bigcalm> Haha, I remember that
[00:13] <ali1234> right, restart for new unity time :)
[00:17] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Unity 5.2: Testers Needed! - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/02/01/unity-5-2-testers-needed/
[00:17] <ali1234> too sloooow man
[00:18] <bigcalm> Fnar
[00:19] <awilkins_> I have a feeling this "push into the edge" is going to break my Synergy setup
[00:20] <awilkins_> My desktop breaks over the left edge to my Windows box
[00:20] <ali1234> it's already annoying the hell out of me
[00:20] <ali1234> the stickyness between monitors is really high
[00:21] <awilkins_> Isn't there a tweak UI for it?
[00:21] <ali1234> at least i can start things on the second monitor now, that's an improvement
[00:21] <bigcalm> Looks like I'll be xfce for a long time yet then
[00:21] <ali1234> it would be much better if the launcher was on the outside edge of each monitor though
[00:21] <awilkins_> Maybe it would be good if "super" summoned the launcher and not just opened the dash
[00:21] <ali1234> it does. hold it down
[00:22] <ali1234> lol now it also opens a huge windows with a list of keyboard shortcuts
[00:29] <bigcalm> O
[00:29] <bigcalm> M
[00:29] <bigcalm> G
[00:29] <bigcalm> My schema created tables correctly
[00:29] <bigcalm> I'm one step closer to going to bed!
[00:35] <ali1234> this checkbox tool could really use a progress bar that tells you how many more tests are left
[00:40] <Oli> Ominous. Main RaspberryPi website (.org) has gone down.
[00:40]  * Oli smells a launch afoot
[00:40] <Oli> Now I *can't* go to bed.
[00:40] <ali1234> it's been going down all day
[00:41] <Oli> You would say that... You just want me to go to sleep so you can buy my Raspi
[00:42] <ali1234> i'm going to get a maple mini or a beagle bone instead
[00:47] <Oli> The bone looks interesting but they (BBB, Arduino, et al) are all so cut-down
[00:47] <directhex> my final verdict as far as parental controls go: 360 > wii > ps3
[00:47] <directhex> Oli: at least the beaglebone is a real cpu, unlike pi
[00:47] <directhex> although the gpu is weaker
[00:47] <ali1234> and it comes with documetation
[00:47] <directhex> omap4?
[00:47] <Oli> Pah. I'll take drivers over documentation any day.
[00:47] <ali1234> the pi actually is a real CPU
[00:48] <directhex> oh, sorry, yes, the pi has the screaming power of an *iphone 1* as its main processor
[00:48] <ali1234> but the CPU is a proprietary broadcom design which runs rtos, and linux only has access to virtual devices
[00:48] <ali1234> the core that runs linux is slow, the "GPU" is actually a full CPU and is probably more powerful, but you can never use it
[00:49] <directhex> BCM2835 is a GPU with enough leftover silicon to implement a low-end armv6 core
[00:49] <ali1234> that's is absolutely not true
[00:49] <ali1234> i spent a few hours today hexdumping the "GPU" driver
[00:51] <ali1234> it runs ThreadX rtos, has full access to all hardware, and present software virtual drivers to the arm core through a mmu mapping interface
[00:53] <ali1234> practically every one of the open source drivers in the arm kernel is a MT_DEVICE coupled with a user space library that serialises high level API calls
[00:53] <ali1234> and there is not even documentation of these high level interfaces
[00:53] <directhex> broadcom don't do docs.
[00:54] <directhex> i have no idea how anyone decided to buy their crap
[00:54] <ali1234> you are effectively running user mode linux
[00:54] <directhex> i've said before & i'll say again that pi's cpu choice is a joke
[00:54] <directhex> beaglebone proves it
[00:54] <ali1234> agreed
[00:55] <ali1234> it's a pity the beagle bone doesn't have video out, but meh, i have a computer with a fast graphics card that poops over any of this stuff
[00:55] <directhex> from the general-purpose perspective, they'll just see pi back-to-front. i.e. the ARM1176JZF-S with some magic black-box gpu at the back
[00:56] <directhex> despite the gpu being in charge of everything including the proprietary bootloader
[00:56] <ali1234> the one good thing about it is it is utterly impossible to write software that isn't standards compliant
[00:56] <ali1234> you *have* to use opengl etc because there is literally nothing else at all
[00:57] <Oli> I think you're being a little harsh against it, given the price is that of a fairly mediocre pub lunch + pint. ~£20 for something that can run XBMC.
[00:57] <ali1234> so it will be real easy for someone to make a clone with a totally different chip :)
[00:58] <ali1234> Oli: a house brick is even cheaper and about as useful to me
[00:58] <directhex> Oli: but it won't boot ubuntu, so offtopic in #ubuntu-uk :p
[00:58] <ali1234> i would happily pay 4x or more for the exact same thing, except with documentation
[00:59] <directhex> ali1234: i'd pay much closer to £100 if it had an OMAP4 or similar cortex-a series CPU
[00:59] <directhex> although i already have an efikamx on my desk
[00:59] <directhex> and i.mx53 is full of freescale fail
[00:59] <ali1234> well, that's one of the beagle series...
[01:00] <hamitron> there are already more powerful boards, if you are willing to pay more? ;)
[01:00] <ali1234> it's not about power, that thing is *really* powerful
[01:00] <ali1234> but the architecture is designed so that broadcom can cripple features with the blob
[01:00] <directhex> hamitron: i don't want *much* more powerful. i just want a better general-purpose cpu core than the iphone 1 had
[01:01] <ali1234> i just want to twiddle the hardware registers and make it do cool stuff
[01:01] <hamitron> tbh, I think I'd choose an i3 on some ITX board
[01:01] <hamitron> ;)
[01:01] <ali1234> don't care if the cpu is worse
[01:01] <hamitron> well, there is talk of changing resistors to fix the fault
[01:01] <ali1234> whut
[01:02] <hamitron> I heard something has been changed since the beta board, which has broken some function
[01:02] <ali1234> that's just one of the SPI ports
[01:02] <ali1234> or I2C, i forget
[01:02] <hamitron> yeh
[01:02] <ali1234> but it has like 3
[01:02] <ali1234> that's not the point
[01:03] <hamitron> not really something I want tbh, rather have a fpga I think
[01:03] <ali1234> the point is: imagine you have a dual core computer that is running windows 7 with a locked EFI bootloader and the only way you can run linux is by running it in virtualbox/vmware and dedicating it one CPU core
[01:03] <ali1234> that's the raspberry pi
[01:04] <hamitron> he pi has less cpu power
[01:04] <bigcalm> Sleeeeeeeeeeeep
[01:04] <hamitron> ;)
[01:04] <hamitron> the*
[01:04] <Oli> I wouldn't care if that was what I expected. And I do and I'm happy with that because it's an iPhone for £20
[01:04] <ali1234> yes, and instead of windows you have express logic threadx
[01:05] <ali1234> i'll probably still buy one anyway
[01:05] <Oli> lol
[01:05] <hamitron> haha
[01:05] <ali1234> but i doubt i will use it for anything
[01:05] <ali1234> pretty much all it can do is opengl and video
[01:05] <Oli> Well if you ever get bored of it, I'll happily take it off you
[01:05] <hamitron> I'm not gonna rush, if everyone else wants one so badly ;)
[01:06] <hamitron> I did wonder if it would be a good replacement for a load of my old comps
[01:07] <hamitron> once there is no restriction on the number ya can buy
[01:07] <Oli> Depends on their purpose. I wouldn't use it for a multi-purpose desktop but for silly things like torrentboxes, home-automation, etc, they'd be ace.
[01:08] <ali1234> it would make an awful torrent box, it only has 256 mb
[01:08] <ali1234> and it's slooooow
[01:08] <hamitron> torrents would be ok wouldn't they?
[01:08] <ali1234> and you have to plug in a usb hard drive, which is slooooooow
[01:08] <hamitron> but agreed, not the best thing for the task
[01:09] <Oli> ali1234: since when did torrents need RAM? rtorrent piddles away like 20MB
[01:09] <hamitron> and for video, I'd get something like this: http://www.saverstore.com/product/20216880/Sumvision-Cyclone-Micro-3-HD-HDMI-1080p-Upscaling-Multi-Media-Player-Adaptor--Black
[01:09] <ali1234> i had to buy a router with 256mb ram because just all the torrent connections were killing the old one that only had 32 mb
[01:09] <ali1234> and that's when the torrent program is running on a different computer
[01:09] <hamitron> my router with 16MB ram is fine
[01:09] <hamitron> :/
[01:09] <Oli> And USB is faster than my internet connection so that's not a problem.
[01:10] <ali1234> the r-pi is basically good at one thing: and that is being a set-top-box
[01:10] <ali1234> that's what it is designed for (not mobile phones)
[01:10] <hamitron> and cheap to learn basic programming ;)
[01:10] <ali1234> ok, *maybe* mobiles as well
[01:10] <ali1234> you do not learn basic programming on this. BASIC maybe. but not basic. only high level stuff
[01:11] <hamitron> I was thinking, C upwards
[01:11] <ali1234> yeah, there's no point using C on this
[01:11] <Oli> ?
[01:11] <ali1234> because there's nothing on it that you can use with C
[01:11] <hamitron> but good for a new little cheap device for someone who can't afford a full comp
[01:11] <ali1234> everything has to be done through library calls
[01:12] <hamitron> nothing can be done on the ARM cpu?
[01:12] <hamitron> :|
[01:12] <ali1234> all the arm chip can do is make RPC to the GPU
[01:12] <ali1234> which is done through libraries
[01:12] <ali1234> or through the kernel interface in a few instances
[01:13] <hamitron> well, still think you are been a little harsh..... even if it is higher level stuff only
[01:13] <ali1234> you should really only be using C to write device drivers, and this thing doesn't have any devices
[01:13] <ali1234> it only has RPC mailboxes
[01:13] <hamitron> you can use C to learn to code simple apps
[01:13] <ali1234> if you want to make, say, a media centre front end, it is perfect for that
[01:14] <ali1234> that is what it is designed for
[01:14] <ali1234> but you wouldn't code that in C because it would be buggy as hell
[01:14] <ali1234> or if you want to make the front end for your home automation system, it's great
[01:14] <hamitron> I know you wouldn't..... but someone could try and learn a lot
[01:14] <hamitron> ;/
[01:15] <ali1234> QML is a perfect match for it
[01:16] <ali1234> i'd get one to mess about with QML, if i could get a nice small OLED screen for it
[01:16] <ali1234> touchscreen ofc
[01:18] <hamitron> way I feel atm, will stick with existing x86 machines
[01:18] <hamitron> :)
[01:18] <ali1234> makes sense
[01:20] <hamitron> the only good thing I can see, if it became big, it is a standard hardware setup
[01:20] <ali1234> actually it isn't
[01:20] <hamitron> oh?
[01:20] <ali1234> the hardware is all virtualized so it can change any time the blob changes
[01:21] <ali1234> but the high level interfaces are so simplistic that it doesn't really matter
[01:21] <hamitron> I just thought, if everyone ran r-pi, it may create a nice large community
[01:21] <hamitron> a slim distro
[01:21] <ali1234> <- mer is that way
[01:21] <ali1234> it run on x86 too
[01:22] <ali1234> i don't know of any raspi specific distros
[01:22] <ali1234> not linux anyway
[01:22] <hamitron> not yet ofc
[01:22] <ali1234> most people will just use fedora or debian
[01:22] <ali1234> people that want a slim distro will use mer
[01:23] <ali1234> it basically runs anything
[01:23] <hamitron> I suspect it may encourage people to like slimmer software
[01:23] <hamitron> surely a good thing?
[01:23] <ali1234> lolno, it will just encourage people to upgrade to a "real" computer
[01:23] <hamitron> haha, true
[01:23] <hamitron> :)
[01:23] <hamitron> I guess in reality, people won't put up with slow
[01:24] <ali1234> yep
[01:24] <ali1234> and ubuntu won't be on it anyway
[01:24] <Oli> Not to begin with, at least
[01:24] <ali1234> not ever
[01:24] <directhex> nope.
[01:24] <directhex> ever.
[01:24] <directhex> well, i guess hardy
[01:25] <hamitron> tbh, ubuntu isn't everything ;)
[01:25] <ali1234> !hardy
[01:25]  * hamitron hides from the comebacks
[01:25] <ali1234> still a year or so left :)
[01:25] <directhex> but ubuntu requires armv7 with thumb2 support
[01:25] <ali1234> yeah and i don't see that requirement getting any lower
[01:25] <ali1234> it will almost certainly go up
[01:25] <hamitron> no, ubuntu is for cutting edge
[01:26] <hamitron> so you run Mer ali1234 ?
[01:26] <ali1234> no
[01:26] <ali1234> mer is only about 100 odd packages
[01:26] <ali1234> if i ran it, i'd boot up to a shell prompt
[01:27] <hamitron> is that bad? ;)
[01:27] <ali1234> um.................................. yes?
[01:27] <Oli> Isn't Mer what was on the Noka "tablets" (Nxxx series)?
[01:27] <ali1234> no
[01:27] <ali1234> mer is a fork of that
[01:27] <ali1234> well it was
[01:27] <ali1234> now it's a fork of meego
[01:28] <ali1234> soon it will be a fork of tizen
[01:28] <ali1234> :)
[01:28] <hamitron> then a fork of ubuntu? ;)
[01:28] <ali1234> no, they already tried that
[01:28] <hamitron> haha
[01:28] <hamitron> nothing pleases me now, so I've given up looking
[01:29] <ali1234> basically it's the community edition of "real mobile linux" ie mobile linux with gnu utils and X11
[01:29] <ali1234> as opposed to linux
[01:29] <ali1234> so they'll pull in whatever
[01:29] <ali1234> as opposed to *android i meant
[01:30] <ali1234> there's a load of openmoko people working on it
[01:30] <ali1234> people from maemo, meego, moblin
[01:30] <hamitron> probably good if you like to mess around with mobile gadgets
[01:30] <ali1234> yes, anything arm, low powered, but with a nice gpu
[01:30] <Oli> You're starting to make me want to move back to my N900.
[01:30] <hamitron> I've always wanted a N900
[01:31] <hamitron> :)
[01:31] <ali1234> the N900 is great apart from that damn resistive touch screen, it's so horrible to use
[01:31] <hamitron> just little too expensive still
[01:31] <ali1234> you could have got one for the price of a ticket to amsterdam :)
[01:31] <Oli> It's okay with the stylus but yes, it's nothing on modern capacitive screens
[01:31] <hamitron> ali1234, I could? :|
[01:31] <hamitron> £28?
[01:31] <ali1234> plane ticket. yeah. the conference was free :)
[01:32] <hamitron> :(
[01:32] <Oli> Nokia was the worst thing about the N900. If they could find a way to screw things up, they did.
[01:33] <hamitron> I reckon they want to "nearly go bust", so they can buy back most of their shares
[01:33] <hamitron> ;)
[01:33] <hamitron> why else do what they are?
[01:33] <Oli> While we're muttering about the N900, here's my review of it after using it for a year: http://thepcspy.com/read/my-n900-review/
[01:34] <directhex> i've had an n900, n9, and pre3 as work phones
[01:34] <directhex> n900 lasted about a day before i rejected it
[01:34] <Azelphur> blasphemy
[01:35] <hamitron> tbh, I want a n900 to basically use as a comp..... I should just stick to my comp
[01:35] <Oli> I still use mine to SSH into my computer when X locks up.
[01:35]  * hamitron uses another comp
[01:35] <ali1234> what is all that crud on your n900?
[01:35] <directhex> lack of google contacts is a HUGE issue for me
[01:36] <ali1234> i don't think that's a design flaw, i think that's just you :)
[01:36] <hamitron> COOKIE CRUMBS
[01:36] <hamitron> ;)
[01:36] <Oli> ali1234: well quite - read the blurb next to it. That was after a few days of being in my pocket and it's not like I fill my pockets up with sand on a regular basis
[01:36] <ali1234> ah google contacts... but the skype integration is great!
[01:36] <ali1234> i still use it for that
[01:37] <hamitron> I keep meaning to use my PSP for skype
[01:37] <ali1234> also... i'm sure mine has synced google contacts
[01:37] <ali1234> beacuse there'sa bug where it gets everyone's birthday a day late
[01:37] <ali1234> from google
[01:37] <hamitron> :/
[01:37] <ali1234> beacuse it doesn't support timezones properly
[01:37] <Oli> I guess I really just miss the slide out keyboard. Typing commands into SSH on my SGS2 with Swype is a pain in the face.
[01:37] <directhex> ali1234: it works for some people maybe ish if you configure google as a microsoft exchange server, not as a gmail server
[01:38] <ali1234> oh wait, it's because you have to use google's exchange sync service
[01:38] <hamitron> brb, coffee
[01:38] <ali1234> yeah, now i remember
[01:39] <directhex> IMHO the n9 does more things as intended than the pre3. it's less buggy, in that the functions it implements go wrong less. but what it implements is usually worse
[01:39] <directhex> i could write pages about the n9's boneheaded design decisions
[02:46] <ali1234> whew, i think i finished all the tests
[02:47] <ali1234> and i found a bug in the test program :S
[02:56] <ali1234> make that two :/
[07:24] <AlanBell> morning
[07:24] <AlanBell> hi TheOpenSourcerer
[07:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning
[07:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Are you dressed and ready Mr AlanBell?
[07:27] <AlanBell> I am decent
[07:27] <AlanBell> just fed the chickens
[07:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> OK - Will be along fairly shortly then.
[07:38] <popey> uuuuuuugh
[07:38] <AlanBell> o/ popey
[07:39] <popey> head like a box of frogs
[07:41] <MartijnVdS> ribbit
[08:03] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:05] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:09] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:34] <DJones> Morning all
[08:45] <diplo> Morning
[08:45] <mattt> good morning
[08:47] <MartijnVdS> -6. Sun is shining. Time for a run :)
[08:48] <daubers> Morning
[09:05] <popey>  "Package data processed by brokerage. Waiting for clearance. / Released by Clearing Agency. Now in-transit for delivery. "
[09:05] <popey> \o/
[09:05] <MartijnVdS> apt-get install ..?
[09:06] <MartijnVdS> (with ACTA in place)
[09:13] <bigcalm> 'ello peeps
[09:14] <bigcalm> popey: frogs will visit those who drink on a school night :P
[09:14] <bigcalm> Personally I was up 'til 1am working on database designs
[09:15] <bigcalm> <- knackered
[09:25] <imexil> Hi, does anyone know where to find information _why_ a particular package is not contained in the current release? In my case I wonder why http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/imapsync is no longer shipped.
[09:32] <popey> imexil: it got renamed imapcopy by the look of it
[09:32] <imexil> no that is a differen program as far as I can see
[09:32] <imexil> imapcopy does not do/support what imapsynch does
[09:33] <imexil>  or did
[09:34] <popey> imexil: looks like imapsync was dropped in debian
[09:34] <oimon> i use offlineimap
[09:34] <popey> which is probably why it was dropped in ubuntu
[09:34] <smittix> Don't suppose anyone is after one of these? http://www.myadventvega.co.uk/
[09:35] <imexil> but is there any kind of traceback of *why* it was dropped?
[09:37] <bigcalm> smittix: I've recently bought myself a Xoom, so I'm happy :)
[09:40] <oimon> bigcalm: which android is on it?
[09:41] <bigcalm> Honeycomb (ICS if you're in North America)
[09:41] <diplo> bigcalm, Can I ask how much you paid for it ?
[09:42] <bigcalm> diplo: 249.99 from the Carphone Warehouse (no longer offered)
[09:42] <diplo> I really would like to get one, dubious about spending the money as I'm rather short of cash most of the time
[09:42] <diplo> oh :/
[09:42] <diplo> Liking it ?
[09:42] <bigcalm> Yeah, I spotted the offer on twitter and gave in :)
[09:42] <bigcalm> diplo: yes, very much
[09:42] <diplo> I also would love to know what it's like for reading books, instead of getting a kindle + tablet
[09:42] <diplo> Was debating about just a tablet
[09:43] <bigcalm> I have both, so tend to use the kindle for books
[09:44] <bigcalm> I find the tablet is handy as a reference manual display while I'm working
[09:44] <ubuntubhoy> diplo, kindle on a tablet is decent, but if you read a lot I would recommend a 7"
[09:45] <bigcalm> The Xoom is quite weighty
[09:45] <diplo> I read lot's of normal books at the mo, borrow my mates sony ereader and decided i liked it, also dad just for a kindle and uses it all the time
[09:45] <bigcalm> You wouldn't want to hold it for too long in bed
[09:45] <ubuntubhoy> but a decent price right now
[09:46] <diplo> just not going to be able to afford both, think a tablet would be best option for now as kids could use it a lot
[09:46] <diplo> My brother bought an iPad and the kids loved it.
[09:46] <bigcalm> Get a tablet then if you can only get one
[09:46] <ubuntubhoy> an original Tab, or a Flyer would be ideal
[09:47] <ubuntubhoy> I got my kids Advent Vega's and they love them
[09:47] <popey> imexil: http://old.nabble.com/situation-of-imapsync-and-Debian-%28was%3A-Re%3A-Bug-609845%3A-huge-memory-leak-when-syncing-large-mailboxes%29-td30744498.html
[09:48] <diplo> Will take a look ubuntubhoy thanks
[09:48] <imexil> popey: cool thank !
[09:48] <imexil> how did you find it?
[09:49] <smittix> bigcalm: Nice, I have Honeycomb on this Vega. I don't use it at all though so it's just sitting there.
[09:49] <popey> google
[09:49] <diplo> So wish i wasn't so tight on money :/
[09:49] <imexil> oh that one ;)
[09:49] <popey> debian bug 609845
[09:50] <ubuntubhoy> diplo, the other option is a Kindle Fire
[09:50] <diplo> yeah, been looking at them.. was waiting on XDA peeps to unlock it nicely :)
[09:50] <diplo> Then make it kid friendly, give that to the kids and get something for myself
[09:53] <ubuntubhoy> any Android Tab is kid friendly really
[09:54] <popey> daubers: no reply from black magic yet ☹
[09:55] <xplora1a> the Humble Bundle is on again with an Android bent with World of Goo...
[09:58] <oimon> diplo: i find my tablet useful to take to meetings. often there's 10 PDFs which are referred to in a meeting, and some people print them out just for the meeting, then throw away afterwards
[09:59] <diplo> I like that idea oimon, luckily new job means not to many meetings now but I do like that idea.
[09:59] <oimon> and i only paid £90 for my HP tablet
[10:00] <ubuntubhoy> you have a touchpad ?
[10:00] <oimon> yes
[10:00] <ubuntubhoy> then why do you need another tablet
[10:00] <ubuntubhoy> get CM9 on it
[10:00] <oimon> me? i don't
[10:00] <ubuntubhoy> Ohh, wrong person
[10:00] <ubuntubhoy> oops
[10:00] <oimon> :D
[10:00] <ubuntubhoy> haha
[10:01] <oimon> hmmm.. amount of spam received lately has doubled at least
[10:01] <oimon> work and personal
[10:03] <oimon> ha. usually we give linux boxes to new staff, but after a couple of days, one guy demanded a windows box. ever since then he's been asking for stuff that comes standard on linux machines, and takes one of our team 15-30 minutes to sort out on a windows machine each time.
[10:03] <occupy64k> FAIL
[10:04] <daubers> popey: :(
[10:07] <aquarius> popey, now I come to you for your m4d ffmpeg sk1llz
[10:10] <popey> aquarius: what you gonna play the converted videos on?
[10:10] <popey> a kindle? ☺
[10:10] <aquarius> popey, ps3
[10:10] <aquarius> not a kindle. :)
[10:10] <aquarius> video on kindle. It'd work for stop-motion stuff :)
[10:11] <popey> what codecs does the ps3 support?
[10:11] <aquarius> no idea.
[10:11] <aquarius> if I have to spend the rest of my life finding that out then I wouldn't need your help :)
[10:12] <aquarius> it plays downloaded .avi files, which means nothing, and allegedly it supports mp4 as well but not what Handbrake outputs
[10:12] <aquarius> I can find a file that I know works and then inspect it in a way of your choosing, if that helps
[10:12] <popey> get a video it plays and install ffmpeg then run "ffmpeg -i video.mp4"
[10:12] <popey> and that will tell you what codecs it uses
[10:13] <aquarius>     Stream #0.0: Video: mpeg4, yuv420p, 624x352 [PAR 1:1 DAR 39:22], 25 tbr, 25 tbn, 25 tbc
[10:13] <aquarius>     Stream #0.1: Audio: mp3, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 192 kb/s
[10:13] <aquarius> A
[10:14] <ubuntubhoy> diplo, http://recombu.com/news/spark-linux-based-tablet-for-200-166-runs-kdes-plasma-active-interface_M16655.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_term=share&utm_campaign=website
[10:15] <popey> aquarius: is the goal to save space?
[10:15] <aquarius> popey, nope. Don't care about space
[10:15] <popey> whats the goal?
[10:15] <aquarius> (well, within reason. I'd rather a 500MB mkv doesn't become 4GB or anything
[10:16] <aquarius> goal: convert a bunch of mkv files which won't play on my ps3 to something which will.
[10:16] <aquarius> then delete the mkv files :)
[10:20] <diplo> ubuntubhoy, Sorry ueah i saw that the other day.. keeping an eye on it
[10:20] <diplo> Be good for me, not so sure for kids.
[10:20] <ubuntubhoy> true
[10:21] <ubuntubhoy> I'm gonna have a look at compiling it and throwing it over KDE to see if it runs
[10:21] <diplo> being so short on cash and none of my friends having any android tablets to play with I've held back because I don't want to make the wrong decision
[10:24] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:42] <DJones> \o/ New printer
[11:06] <davmor2> morning all
[11:06] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod oi I said morning! ;)
[11:07] <czajkowski> ▙▗▌▞▀▖▛▀▖▙ ▌▜▘▙ ▌▞▀▖   ▌                ▞▀▖
[11:07] <czajkowski> ▌▘▌▌ ▌▙▄▘▌▌▌▐ ▌▌▌▌▄▖ ▞▀▌▝▀▖▌ ▌▛▚▀▖▞▀▖▙▀▖ ▗▘
[11:07] <czajkowski> ▌ ▌▌ ▌▌▚ ▌▝▌▐ ▌▝▌▌ ▌ ▌ ▌▞▀▌▐▐ ▌▐ ▌▌ ▌▌  ▗▘
[11:07] <czajkowski> ▘ ▘▝▀ ▘ ▘▘ ▘▀▘▘ ▘▝▀  ▝▀▘▝▀▘ ▘ ▘▝ ▘▝▀ ▘  ▀▀▘
[11:07] <mattt> well that was inappropriate
[11:07] <occupy64k> heh
[11:09] <gord> i see MORNDSANDSRr
[11:09] <gord> stupid non monospace font
[11:09] <matti> I see nothing.
[11:09] <matti> 
[11:10] <occupy64k> On the HUDs there seems to be a lot of unused space
[11:10] <Laney> I seeeeeeee dead people
[11:12] <MartijnVdS> dead space*
[11:14] <directhex> clank clank clank clank BLAAARRRGGGG
[11:14] <directhex> there you go, saved you 8 hours of play time
[11:16] <ali1234> lol 8 hour game? lol
[11:17] <bigcalm> Hang on, I'm using Ubuntu Mono and it looks messed up
[11:17] <ali1234> that's because those are unicode characters
[11:17] <ali1234> and lazy font designers never make unicode characters in monospaced fonts
[11:17] <ali1234> or if they do, they don't make them the same width
[11:17] <bigcalm> Lazy
[11:18] <directhex> yeah, what ali1234 said. ubuntu mono is not monospaced, beyond ascii
[11:18] <ali1234> to be fair, there is about 11 billion characters in unicode
[11:18] <ali1234> and most of them couldn't be rendered at all in 12 pixels or however wide the average font size is
[11:19] <ali1234> so if you want your horrible ascii graphics to render properly, be sure to actually use ascii to make them :)
[11:20] <ali1234> does anyone else see gaps in this with ubuntu mono: __________
[11:21] <ali1234> makes my python source codes look ugly :(
[11:21] <directhex> yes
[11:21] <ali1234> and i'm sure it never used to have those gaps before precise
[11:21] <directhex> i'm on oneiric
[11:21] <ali1234> weird
[11:21] <davmor2> czajkowski: I don't know what that was meant to say but I don't think it worked as you expected
[11:22] <czajkowski> it did for me
[11:22]  * popey points ali1234 at sladen 
[11:22]  * popey points sladen at the lat 10 minutes
[11:22] <popey> *last
[11:23] <ali1234> what did i do now?
[11:23] <directhex> you angered the sladen. now he gets to feast on your entrails
[11:24] <popey> he's the guy you need to bitch^H report problems with the font to
[11:24] <ali1234> oic
[11:24] <ali1234> well it's not really a problem
[11:24] <ali1234> i don't even use a monospace font for irc
[11:25] <directhex> report a bug that cowsay looks wrong!
[11:25] <directhex> i reported a bug against thunderbird for that once
[11:25] <directhex> it was mangling cow-based signatures
[11:25] <popey> looks fine here
[11:25] <directhex> debian bug #276144
[11:26] <ali1234> the most unlikely thing about that is that it got fixed :/
[11:26] <ali1234> or did you fix it yourself?
[11:26] <ali1234> s/unlikely/unusual/
[11:27] <directhex> it was fixed in cowsay 3.03-7
[11:27] <directhex> by Florian Ernst
[11:27] <directhex> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=42;filename=cowsay.diff;att=1;bug=276144
[11:27] <czajkowski> hmmm
[11:29] <sladen> ali1234: morning.
[11:29]  * sladen salivates
[11:30] <davmor2> sladen: salivating and foaming at the bit aren't the same you know ;)
[11:31] <gord> since the change to automatically putting software centre installed things in the launcher, i sure have grown a lot of crap in my launcher
[11:31] <gord> don't think i need five different webcam softwares in there
[11:32] <sladen> mmm, maybe you need to program a delete option too ;-)
[11:32] <czajkowski> remind me not to do toliet again :)
[11:33] <ali1234> anyone know how i can report bugs in checkbox-unity when using the unity team ppa?
[11:34] <davmor2> gord: in the view menu click on New Applications in launcher ;)
[11:34] <MartijnVdS> gord: this is why you use Alt+F2
[11:35] <czajkowski> can someone running precise, please open up chrome, and then a new window, then thunderbird, and open up write a new mail, can you alt tab to those 4  or just two ?
[11:35] <ali1234> i would do if i had either of those programs installed
[11:35] <davmor2> czajkowski: try using the ` button
[11:36] <czajkowski> davmor2: the ' button?
[11:36] <ali1234> "button-above-tab"
[11:36] <ali1234> actually it's alt-button-above-tab
[11:36] <czajkowski> oh I looked at the button above shift @ ;)
[11:37] <czajkowski> nope still doesnt make a difference
[11:37] <czajkowski> :/
[11:37] <ali1234> backquote
[11:37] <ali1234> (on UK keymap)
[11:37] <davmor2> czajkowski: so alt+tab between apps and alt+` to get between window of apps
[11:38] <czajkowski> ahh that works
[11:38] <czajkowski> but some hand cordination required
[11:38] <czajkowski> cheers
[11:38] <davmor2> czajkowski: no you just move your finger up one :P
[11:39] <czajkowski> feels odd ;)
[11:39] <davmor2> czajkowski: by the way on a plain desktop if you hit the windows/meta/super key you get the keypresses and then you won't need to ask
[11:39] <czajkowski> but thanks for the info
[11:40] <davmor2> orca with english_wmids(en) is hilarious
[11:53]  * popey files bug 924839 bug 924840  bug 924841 and 924842
[11:53] <popey> \o/
[11:54] <ali1234> is that the new thing that covers up the screen when you press meta?
[11:54] <popey> if anyone fancies confirming
[11:54] <popey> yes
[11:54] <popey> damnit, forgot screenshot
[11:54] <ali1234> it seems ok to me
[11:54] <ali1234> i mean other than it covers up the screen and i don't need it
[11:55] <ali1234> also well done for filing 4 consecutive bugs
[11:55] <popey> ☺
[11:55] <ali1234> i normally get every other #
[11:55] <diplo> Guys, update-notifier can be installed with out the need for gui ?
[11:56] <diplo> http://superuser.com/questions/199869/check-number-of-pending-security-updates-in-ubuntu
[11:56] <ali1234> there should be an achievement for that
[11:56] <diplo> Relating to that
[11:56] <popey> lol
[11:57] <ali1234> diplo: that's an interesting question
[11:57] <diplo> Actually after apt-check
[11:57] <diplo> :)
[11:57]  * diplo looks again
[11:57] <ali1234> my apt is currently in a broken state where update-manager lists different updates to apt
[11:57] <ali1234> i don't have the slightest idea how to fix it, because apt fixes usually work on the command line
[11:57] <ali1234> and apt command line doesn't show the problem :(
[11:58] <diplo> I suppose I can see updates from how motd does it
[11:58] <ali1234> that's probaby the easiest way yes
[11:58] <diplo> hmm, motd is generated from something else now
[11:58] <diplo> :P
[11:59] <ali1234> byobu also has an update notifier i don't think it distinguishes security updates though
[11:59] <ali1234> but it might give you a clue
[11:59] <popey> it does
[11:59] <popey> you get a ! for security updates
[11:59] <popey> well, you get a ! if at least one is a security update I guess
[11:59] <ali1234> ah
[11:59] <ali1234> well, it's a start
[12:00] <diplo> it's in /etc/motd.d/ now
[12:00] <diplo> generates from files in there
[12:00] <davmor2> ali1234: is this on precise?
[12:00] <ali1234> broken apt? yes
[12:02] <davmor2> ali1234: could be that there is a broken apt package a few went through the other day,  so just to confirm you have done sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -f install in the cli?
[12:02] <ali1234> yes
[12:02] <ali1234> it says there are no updates and nothing to fix
[12:02] <davmor2> ali1234: right and have you tried clicking on check in update-manager?
[12:03] <ali1234> yes, it says there is one update to install: openjdk-6-jre:i386
[12:03] <ali1234> atempting to install this package causes dpkg to crash leaving apt in an unusual state until various packages are purged
[12:03] <ali1234> the package itself cannot be installed, but it's dependencies can be
[12:04] <ali1234> bug 924096
[12:04] <directhex> loljava
[12:04] <ali1234> loljava indeed
[12:04] <ali1234> but at least it isn't lolmono
[12:04] <davmor2> ali1234: is there a reason why you have the 32 bit jre installed on a 64bit system?
[12:05] <ali1234> davmor2: i don't have it installed. it cannot be installed. update-manager wants to install it though, for reasons only known to itself
[12:05] <ali1234> i reported it against openjdk because micahg told me to, saying it is a multiarch bug
[12:05] <ali1234> i was going to report it against update-manager but... *shrug*
[12:05] <directhex> ali1234, which out of the two is broken, again?
[12:06] <davmor2> ali1234: I'm assuming that the reason is you have a 32bit java app installed that requires it
[12:06] <ali1234> nope
[12:06] <ali1234> i don't have any java programs installed
[12:06] <ali1234> i have jre installed only to play minecraft, which is not packaged
[12:07] <davmor2> ali1234: is that a 32 bit version that would do it
[12:07] <ali1234> that makes no sense
[12:08] <popey> do you have 64-bit version of that package installed too?
[12:08] <popey> s/too//
[12:08] <ali1234> too?
[12:08] <ali1234> i only have openjdk-6-jre (64 bit) installed
[12:08] <ali1234> :i386 cannot be installed
[12:08] <ali1234> therefore i don't have it installed
[12:09] <Myrtti> I thought :i386 was the way the new system marked named the archagnostic packages or something
[12:10] <davmor2> Myrtti: no it's the way it notifies the system that you have installed the 32version over the 64bit version, take zsnes the 64bit is listed but has no package, so you can do sudo apt-get install zsnes:i386 to install the 32bit package instead
[12:12] <davmor2> ali1234: do a sudo apt-get purge openjdk-6-jre:i386 && sudo apt-get autoremove
[12:12] <ali1234> Package openjdk-6-jre:i386 is not installed, so not removed
[12:13] <ali1234> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[12:13] <ali1234> (i already tried all this, as i mentioned in the bug report)
[12:14] <ali1234> now i run update-manager and click "check"
[12:14] <Myrtti> right
[12:14] <Myrtti> it's all very confusing
[12:14] <ali1234> ad it lists 1 update: openjdk-6-jre:i386
[12:14] <ali1234> now i run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, and it shows 0 updates
[12:15] <popey> burn it with fire
[12:16] <ali1234> yeah i've basically given up on update manager now
[12:16] <ali1234> i only use synaptic and apt-get
[12:16] <davmor2> ali1234: I've past the bug onto mvo see what he makes of it
[12:17] <ali1234> it should be possible to to install those packages side by side anyway
[12:17] <ali1234> that's the whole point of multiarch
[12:17] <ali1234> so it is at least 50% a bug in java packaging
[12:17] <ali1234> the rest is down to update-manager weirdness
[12:18] <davmor2> ali1234: That's cause java is "special" ;)
[12:18] <ali1234> java = loljava
[12:20] <ali1234> right lunch time then i'm going to do coding instead of just reporting endless bugs
[13:34] <gord> grr, i need to fork xchat. the only change would be to remove that annoying selecting text copies the text thing
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> GordChat
[13:37] <oimon> wouldn't that be a desired feature? selecting text copies it to clipboard?
[13:38] <MartijnVdS> oimon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_selection#Clipboard
[13:39] <directhex> gord, i think that's an effort to make the select-to-copy behaviour work on windows, since there's no way in xchat to explicitly copy text to the copy buffer
[13:40] <smittix> bah, does anyone know how to claim admin status of a facebook page? I setup a facebook page under an old disabled account.
[13:41] <popey> re-enable the old account?
[13:42] <smittix> Im not sure I can it was a while ago and I set it to delete.
[13:45] <smittix> Nope account doesn't exist anymore.
[13:46] <oimon> If the group has no current admin, you or any other member will be able to take the admin position by clicking Become Admin on the right side of the group's page
[13:50] <smittix> I think I know what's happened. I think someone I know is still an admin which is why it wont let me do anything.
[13:58] <davmor2> ali1234: mvo asked if you can have a chat in an hour on #ubuntu-devel he would like to resolve your issue incase it crops up again
[13:58] <ali1234> sure
[15:01] <davmor2> ali1234: try giving mvo a ping now on #ubuntu-devel
[15:32] <bigcalm> I just used "That's the rub" in a conversation with a client. Pleased to be keeping that phrase alive
[15:50] <popey> bigcalm: i prefer "Therein lies the rub"
[15:52] <bigcalm> popey: I think I would have had a weird look from the client :P
[15:52] <bigcalm> But, that does sound good
[15:53]  * bigcalm kicks odbc and mssql
[15:54]  * popey spies some changes in 12.04
[16:43] <daubers> bigcalm: Was the client Ann Summers?
[16:43] <daubers> bigcalm: Cause that might get you in trouble
[16:48] <bigcalm> o.O
[16:52] <oimon> popey: were you about to share the changes with us?
[16:53] <oimon> :P
[16:53] <popey> feel free to install 12.04 :D
[16:53] <oimon> i'm there
[16:53]  * oimon checks for new stuff
[16:54] <popey> alt-tab behaviour has changed
[16:54] <popey> and the icons in the launcher are now square, not rounded
[16:58] <oimon> did you get SSD in your X220 popey ?
[17:01] <oimon> interestingly, i am not using an image as my wallpaper, but lightdm is showing one
[17:01] <oimon> i am using coloured gradient instead
[17:03] <popey> no
[17:04] <oimon> hoping my employer might get me a laptop. given the budget, a TP might be nice for me
[17:05] <oimon> hmm eventbrite subscribed me to an attendee newsletter without asking
[17:06] <bigcalm> Disabling the firewall on the win 2008 server (because I was too lazy to work out enabling specific ports) allowed my windows laptop to connect to the SQL Server with ODBC. But I'm still struggling to do this from PHP on my ubuntu server. One might say that #windowsSucks
[17:09] <davmor2> bigcalm: and they are shocked to learn that Linux rules in the server field
[17:14] <bigcalm> davmor2: I really have no choice in this matter :(
[17:15] <davmor2> bigcalm: No you do, you can use it or be fired
[17:15] <bigcalm> Thankfully it is only the ms sql server that is on windows that I have to worry about. The rest of the project will be on RedHat servers with RackSpace
[17:16] <chemical-oli> apologies for butting in but are there any kind gparted wizards available to give me some partitioning advice?
[17:22] <chemical-oli> i need to resize my filesystem partition and have freed up 10gb to do this with, but the space is adjacent to my home partition not my / partition... does anyone have any ideas how i could do this?
[17:32] <popey> chemical-oli: move everything up the disk so the space _is_ next to /
[17:37] <chemical-oli> ah ok thanks popey ill give that a go ;)
[19:28] <Azelphur> Hmm, occupy has come to my town, is there anything as a tech type person I can do to be supportive?
[19:30] <directhex> give them hats. everyone loves hats.
[19:31] <Azelphur> directhex: this isn't TF2 :D
[19:32] <popey> soup
[19:32] <Azelphur> my brother already got them coffee and stuff
[19:33] <brobostigon> whisky?
[19:33] <Azelphur> lol
[19:34] <brobostigon> chocolate.
[19:35] <DJones> Azelphur: Directors to the job centre :)
[19:35] <DJones> s/Directors/Directions
[19:36] <Azelphur> DJones: haha, I think that's a misconception, I was at their meet and I certainly don't think they are lazy like you are making out
[19:36] <directhex> does job center do anything except give you unpaid jobs at poundland and cut your benefits if you say no?
[19:36] <Azelphur> When I was there, they was actually planning to go around and clean up the town.
[19:37] <Azelphur> If they are so lazy, why would they be arranging to go out and clean the town up? :)
[19:39] <DJones> Azelphur: I'm not saying they're lazy, maybe more just frustrated at how much time they have to do this
[19:40] <Azelphur> haha
[19:40] <Azelphur> somebody has to do it, the whole corruption thing is getting beyond ridiculous
[19:56] <AlanBell> o/ popey
[19:56] <AlanBell> did you say you had a spare wifi dongle?
[19:57]  * AlanBell would like to buy it off you, using small eggs as currency
[19:57] <popey> ya
[19:58] <AlanBell> great, I will bring eggs to the pub tomorrow :)
[19:58] <AlanBell> this could get messy
[19:59] <popey> er
[19:59] <popey> I am just off to eat
[19:59] <popey> but I will keep this webcam updating to tease you
[19:59] <popey> http://popey.com/webcam/
[20:00] <DJones> AlanBell: Take hard boiled eggs to reduce the risk
[20:01] <AlanBell> DJones: nah, much more interesting to take them fresh
[20:01]  * AlanBell wonders if christel will make it to the pub
[20:02] <DJones> I'm sure she will if they're cardbury's creme eggs
[20:03] <AlanBell> maybe some for czajkowski and Jon too
[20:14] <AlanBell> I got changed for bed and did my teeth as soon as I was told
[20:14] <AlanBell> paste fail
[20:15]  * AlanBell is doing reward chart with smiley faces for good achievements
[20:17] <czajkowski> aloha
[20:20] <AlanBell> o/
[20:21] <AlanBell> how do you like your eggs in the evening?
[20:21] <czajkowski> oh so many comments
[20:21] <czajkowski> so not allowed to make
[20:21] <AlanBell> ;)
[20:21] <czajkowski> what has popey pointed his webcam at
[20:21] <AlanBell> a wifi dongle
[20:22] <AlanBell> that will be going in my little desktop to replace the one I snapped in two by accident
[20:23] <zleap> hi, all
[20:31] <czajkowski> oh dear how did you snap it
[20:33] <AlanBell> lifted it up to plug something in the back of it, and put the desktop down on the front side, forgot the dongle was plugged into the front
[20:34] <zleap> AlanBell, will send cheque tomorrow its written out just need to send it
[20:37] <AlanBell> great, thanks
[20:37] <zleap> np
[20:37] <zleap> £3.15
[20:37] <AlanBell> yup, bargain ;)
[20:38] <zleap> :)
[20:39] <zleap> well the local youth centre are doing a crb thing on my at the moment so once done I should be able to start this programming group, I did suggest if we can call it a hacking group, and i think from what i got back from that if I explain what hacking means ina programming sense, then it should be fine,  hacking also covers hardware hacking, too
[20:39] <zleap> I am going to see if we can also invest in a raspberry PI,  perhaps 1 to promote the device and see if anyone in the group gets one as a result
[20:43] <czajkowski> hmmm
[20:43] <czajkowski> I've applications running and I move my mouse over t the launcher
[20:43] <czajkowski> and it wont pop out
[20:43] <czajkowski> minimise everything move mouse to the left again and out it pops out
[20:44] <AlanBell> do you have applications in the area it would pop out to?
[20:44] <AlanBell> like full screen ones?
[20:44] <czajkowski> nope
[20:44] <czajkowski> but cant get it to launch to get at say sw centre
[20:54] <gordonjcp> in unity, what handles <ALT-F2>?
[20:54] <gordonjcp> I think I need to restart something but I don't know what, since alt-f2 has now broken completely
[21:04] <czajkowski> hmmm
[21:04] <czajkowski> this is rther annoying
[21:05] <gord> one of the things about ubuntu that i just love that no one really talks about, you can set the sound to go higher than 100%. that is just fantastic :)
[21:05] <czajkowski> having to minimise all my applications each time to go back to the laucher
[21:05]  * czajkowski peers at gord what have you broken 
[21:05] <bigcalm> It's true
[21:05] <bigcalm> VLC does it as well
[21:06] <AlanBell> we go to 11
[21:06] <gord> czajkowski, not me, jason ;) there is a fix being worked out - for now, i just recommend leaving the launcher forced out
[21:07] <czajkowski> how does one force it out
[21:07] <czajkowski> sounds rather painful and invasive
[21:07] <czajkowski> but needed :)
[21:08] <popey> install lolunity
[21:08] <gord> its in the unity ccsm settings
[21:08] <popey> sorry, MyUnity
[21:08] <popey> actually that doesn't have a setting for it does it?
[21:08] <czajkowski> who names somethign called lolunity!
[21:08] <gord> i actually prefer it forced out all the time
[21:08] <popey> same here
[21:08] <popey> oh it does
[21:08] <popey> czajkowski: i was joking
[21:08] <popey> czajkowski: install myunity and there's a "behaviour" option
[21:09] <czajkowski> popey: one never knows there are some odd named packages
[21:09] <czajkowski> cheers
[21:09] <czajkowski> popey: AlanBell beers tomororow night - gentle reminder
[21:11] <AlanBell> indeed czajkowski, I will be bringing eggs :)
[21:13] <czajkowski> ohh
[21:17] <bigcalm> What time are those beers?
[21:17] <bigcalm> Is that you off-loaded chairing tomorrow's meeting onto me? :P
[21:17] <AlanBell> yup :)
[21:18] <bigcalm> Good work
[21:23]  * TheOpenSourcerer loves invoicing happy customers in the evening :-D
[21:23] <swat_> anyone running precise?
[21:29] <popey> swat_: yup
[21:30] <swat_> popey: have you been hit with the new unity yet?
[21:30] <popey> ii  unity          5.2.0~+bzr1884 Interface designed for efficiency of space a
[21:30] <swat_> the one from yesterday
[21:30] <popey> yup
[21:30] <swat_> i'm finding that the amount of 'force' i have to use to open the launcher is a bit excessive on my laptop
[21:31] <swat_> wondered if anyone else had noticed it
[21:31] <popey> yes
[21:31] <popey> i leave mine out
[21:31] <popey> (missus)
[21:32] <swat_> ah i see
[21:32] <swat_> do we know if it's being looked at being tweated?
[21:32] <popey> 21:06:56 < gord> czajkowski, not me, jason ;) there is a fix being worked out - for now, i just recommend leaving the launcher forced out
[21:33] <swat_> ah
[21:33] <swat_> couldn't work out if that was the same thing or not
[21:33] <swat_> i don't have to minimise my apps, but it does take a good few strokes to get it out
[21:33] <swat_> (har)
[21:56] <popey> bug 751050
[22:02] <AlanBell> popey: can't you use fn+ keys to the right side of qwerty keyboard?
[22:04]  * mattt is moving on friday, and hates moving :(
[22:06] <popey> AlanBell: you can but it's a hideous contortion of the fingers
[22:07] <popey> no less than 4 keys held down, and has to be done with two hands really
[22:08] <shauno> you escape from kazakhstan yet popey?
[22:08] <popey> yea, warsaw
[22:08] <shauno> ah, much better
[22:08] <AlanBell> popey: yeah, totally understand that
[22:08] <shauno> mine spent half a day in kazakhstan and made me nervous as <bleep>
[22:09] <popey> doesnt matter though I believe that shortcut is changing
[22:09] <popey> super and arrows would be my proposal
[22:09] <Azelphur> maybe they got confused between you and borat, you are kinda similar :P
[22:09]  * Azelphur runs
[22:10] <shauno> nah, it's normal getting stuff fedex'd from china
[22:11] <Azelphur> shauno: China -> UK -> Kazakhstan -> UK is normal? o.O
[22:11] <shauno> it didn't go to the UK
[22:11] <Azelphur> https://twitter.com/#!/popey/status/164649986758426624/photo/1 lies :o
[22:12] <shauno> if you import enough stuff, you can get customs to pre-process things.  so the customs process starts before it's physically present
[22:12] <Azelphur> ah :)
[22:12] <shauno> 'package data' arrived in the UK; no item
[22:12] <Azelphur> hehe
[22:13] <shauno> (data and bad news being the only things faster than fedex :)
[22:14] <shauno> the funniest one I had, was ordering apple products in the US
[22:14] <Azelphur> btw, for any steam users, my friend is working on steam friends for pidgin, progress is good
[22:15] <popey> http://uk.insight.com/en-gb/productinfo/power-adapters/LENYF57Y08
[22:15] <popey> pondering
[22:15] <Azelphur> he reverse engineered the new steam mobile protocol, I'm just helping him with the first Linux build :D
[22:15] <shauno> it went from their distribution center, to Ontario, CA, to memphis TN, to chicago.   Ontario being the canadian province closest to us, I assumed 'Ontario, CA' meant canadaland.
[22:16] <shauno> it wasn't until I found out there's a city in california, that the trip from cali to canada and back to memphis started to make sense :/
[22:16] <shauno> (er, a city named ontario)
[22:38] <Azelphur> http://www.piracyactnamegenerator.com/ \o/