MutantTurkeyjedijf: what is WPLUG and is it part of PLUG?01:40
rmg51MutantTurkey: it's all basically the same thing in a different location01:41
MutantTurkeyrmg51: thanks :-)01:43
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PennBotMobileTurkey: Highest karma: "cats" (6), "MutantTurkey" (2), "PennBot" (1), "EvilResistance" (1), and "Ubuntu" (1).  Lowest karma: "PennBot" (1), "EvilResistance" (1), "Ubuntu" (1), "MutantTurkey" (2), and "cats" (6).02:22
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ChinnoDogGuess PennBot saw the wizard because he has a brain now02:24
waltman@karma waltman02:33
PennBotwaltman: waltman has neutral karma.02:33
SadinChinnoDog !04:55
Sadinor InHisName Somebody! i gotta share the awesome i found04:59
ChinnoDogHe quit05:46
ChinnoDogNo sharing after you quit05:46
JonathanDGood morning.10:54
rmg51morning JonathanD11:07
JonathanDHow goes, rmg5111:09
rmg51goes slow11:44
rmg51never enough time :P11:45
waltmanMorning again? Didn't we just have one of these yesterday?12:28
MutantTurkeyall cool cats -> #arch-us-pa15:59
ChinnoDogI am not cool enough for that channel16:13
MutantTurkeyyou're also a dog.16:13
ChinnoDogAmarok is pretty16:45
ChinnoDogAnd there are a bazillion options in KDE, neatly organized16:45
MutantTurkeyamarok lol yes it is pretty16:45
ChinnoDogI might be a convert16:45
ChinnoDogThe effects run at a reasonable speed too16:45
MutantTurkeymoc  is where it's really at. :p16:45
* erstazi loves Amarok. 16:51
AdomUGH, the moc site opens every link in a new window16:51
AdomMutantTurkey: any important difference between moc vs mpd?16:52
MutantTurkeymoc is easier16:52
MutantTurkeyWAY EASIER16:52
MutantTurkeyit just works16:52
MutantTurkeyno bs16:52
MutantTurkeyand you don't have to set up libraries16:52
MutantTurkeywhich is complicated and annoying16:52
MutantTurkeyit lets you just browse through folders like a regular FM16:53
MutantTurkeywhich is preferable because that is how you naturally organize albums16:53
MutantTurkey(hopefully you do to)16:53
MutantTurkeymain Music folder -> Artist -> Albums -> Songs16:53
erstaziSo, I am looking at http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ and I am wondering which is the most stable kernel to bump myself up from 3.0.4? This is for my workstation and not a server.16:53
MutantTurkeyisn't the most stable always the most recent?16:54
MutantTurkeyalways has the latest security fixes and performance bumps at least16:54
erstaziMutantTurkey: negative16:54
MutantTurkeyI've found 3.2 is very stable as well.16:54
MutantTurkey2.6.39 was very stable as well16:54
erstaziMutantTurkey: really? Are you using this PPA or do you build your own kernel?16:54
MutantTurkeyI build my own kernel on my arch box, on ubuntu I use some random 3.2 ppa16:55
waltmanThe last time I played with Amarok, I was looking for something on Linux that could manage podcasts as nicely as iTunes does.  I decided Amarok wasn't it.16:55
erstaziMutantTurkey: do you have access to that source.list on that box to see what ppa it is?16:55
MutantTurkeyket ne checj16:55
Adomwaltman: lmk if you found anything nice for podcasts for linux, im still looking. video podcasts specifically. you find me something that autodownloads video podcasts nicely and plays nice with syncing to my ipod for linux, and ill /kiss you right on the mouth16:56
AdomMutantTurkey: i do Audio > Music > Artist > Song16:57
Adomdont care much about which album its on16:57
MutantTurkeypfft you are some new age weirdo then16:57
Adomplus i tend to download 1, 2, 5 songs at a time, not always the whole album16:57
MutantTurkeyit's all about the album!16:57
MutantTurkeydifferent listening style16:57
MutantTurkeyi tend to do 1, 2, 5 albums at a time16:57
MutantTurkeyI like to understand the artist as a whole16:57
Adomi have a couple wget scripts that scrape music blogs, then i do some automated ID3 magic, then they're moved to their respective folders16:58
* Adom is an ameteur DJ.16:58
waltmanAdom: That as much as anything is why I have an iPhone instead of something Android.16:58
Adomlocal bars, weddings, etc16:58
Adomwaltman: well, i have an android phone, and a nano (one of the new ones with the LCD)16:59
Adomid like to watch video podcasts on either, but barely any software out there works nice with video podcasts and syncing to devices besides iTunes16:59
AdomiTunes does, however, work flawlessly for this16:59
MutantTurkeyerstazi: how the heck do I do this on ubuntu?16:59
waltmandownloading video podcasts and syncing them to your phone is trivial with iTunes16:59
MutantTurkeyi don't see it in my /etc/apt/source.list or in the sources.list.d/ folder16:59
Adomwaltman: yeah, iTUnes is great with my iPod, i shouldve said17:00
Adomhavent gone into syncing media with my phone much. i keep afew songs on it incase i dont have signal, but mostly i stream Pandora, Grooveshark, Google Music, etc17:00
waltmanAdom: And it doesn't seem like it should be rocket science to implement, either.17:00
Adomwaltman: you get it working nicely with Android, fill me in, profit17:01
waltmanI don't have anything android to test it on.17:01
erstaziMutantTurkey: should be in /etc/apt/sources.list17:01
MutantTurkeystreaming music sucks my battery17:02
erstazihaha ^^ battery died MutantTurkey ?17:02
MutantTurkeycrappy wifi17:02
MutantTurkeyand konversation tends to loose connection17:02
Adomerstazi: haha17:03
Adomyeah streaming sucks battery usually (although my battery lasts a lot longer on all fronts now that mines rooted running CyanogenMod7)17:03
* Adom hugs CyanogenMod7.17:03
MutantTurkeyhugs ChinnoDog17:04
erstaziMutantTurkey: the list should either be in /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/17:06
MutantTurkeyyeah I don't see it17:06
MutantTurkeyI can't really look now either17:06
MutantTurkeyi'm in a meeting17:06
MutantTurkeycan you ping me later?17:06
erstaziMutantTurkey: ah ok. yes, thanks! will do (grep -Ri 'linux' /etc/apt/*)17:07
ChinnoDoghuh what? hugs?17:09
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EvilResistancehmm... i should probably set up the 'seen' databases18:08
EvilResistanceand i should get the database of karma stuffs from the previous bot host :P18:09
jedijf@seen Adom18:18
PennBotjedijf: Adom was last seen in #ubuntu-us-pa 1 hour, 14 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: * Adom hugs CyanogenMod7.18:18
EvilResistancehuh its working18:18
* EvilResistance shrugs18:18
* EvilResistance saw db errors yesterday, so...18:18
jedijf@seen flying pigs18:19
PennBotjedijf: (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself.18:19
jedijf@seen flying_pigs18:19
PennBotjedijf: I have not seen flying_pigs.18:19
ChinnoDog@seen pink_elephants18:28
PennBotChinnoDog: I have not seen pink_elephants.18:28
adom@seen a girl naked18:31
PennBotadom: (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself.18:31
adom@seen a_girl_naked18:31
PennBotadom: I have not seen a_girl_naked.18:31
MutantTurkeysup doode20:46
Sadinjust brought home 6 job applications20:47
Sadinborrowing about 180$ from my dad soon to save for a new mini ITX workstation im building20:47
MutantTurkeya mini itx crap20:50
MutantTurkeywant mine?20:50
MutantTurkeyi have a intel atom n330 that gets 0 use these days.20:50
MutantTurkeyget it now for a very low price20:51
MutantTurkeybut really.20:51
MutantTurkeySadin: whatddya say...20:51
SadinMutant Turkey how much20:51
MutantTurkeywell is that what you are looking for?20:52
MutantTurkeymaybe you should just get a new one20:52
MutantTurkeynow that i tink of it20:52
MutantTurkeyits a peice of crap20:52
Sadinand how much max ram capacity and does it have a pci express 2 expansion slot20:52
Sadinid rather buy it new20:53
MutantTurkey1 pciE sorry20:53
MutantTurkeyyeah buy a new one20:53
Sadinif im getting a job and selling stuff i might as well get the awesome stuff for this epic price20:53
MutantTurkeywhat kind of job?20:53
MutantTurkeywhat region do you live in?20:53
SadinMutantTurkey check it the only parts i need to buy are here and their pretty dam cheap http://i.imgur.com/G2fA9.png i have a SATA HD and optical drive here at home already and a graphics card which is this exact card here: http://xfxforce.com/en-us/Products/Graphics-Cards/ATI/ATI-Radeon-HD-4000-Series/ATI-Radeon-HD-4350.aspx20:54
SadinMutantTurkey near Reading in between reading and Philly20:54
MutantTurkeyamd is crap20:54
MutantTurkeyget the intel ones20:54
MutantTurkeySadin: gotcha20:54
MutantTurkeythe middle of nowhere20:54
SadinMutantTurkey no i dun want to20:54
MutantTurkeywhy NOT20:54
MutantTurkeythey are way more powerful no?20:54
SadinMutant Turkey intel atom at that price?20:55
Sadinno way20:55
MutantTurkeydude why not20:55
MutantTurkeythe E-350 sucks20:55
SadinMutant Turkey it has to be better then a 03 single core intel pentium20:55
MutantTurkeywhat single core pentiums20:56
MutantTurkeyOH YOURS20:56
MutantTurkeySadin: my intel atom n330 was about as powerful as a P4 i tink20:56
MutantTurkeyget the newer one thogh20:56
MutantTurkeyor something20:56
SadinMutantTurkey yeah my main PC only has a pentium 3gb ddr2 ram20:56
MutantTurkeythey have a lot of embedded stuff thats cool20:56
MutantTurkeywhats wrong with 3gb of ddr2 ram?20:56
SadinMutantTurkey compared to 8gb or DDR3 on a machine that can hold up to 16gb DDR3 alot20:57
MutantTurkeyyou don't need htat20:57
MutantTurkeyyou really don't need that at all.20:57
SadinMutantTurkey apache deamons take up alot20:57
MutantTurkeyi mean, when do you ever go over 3 221 225 472 bytes of ram20:58
MutantTurkeynot 3 gigs20:58
MutantTurkeyand switch away from apacrap20:58
MutantTurkeyuse lighttpd20:58
Sadinor nginx is what i use20:58
MutantTurkeynginx is good as well20:58
Sadinnginx is better on slower CPUs with less cores though20:58
Sadinmy VPS runs nginx cause its got quad core20:59
Sadinboth of my VPS' run it actually20:59
Sadinwith PHP APC and php accellerator20:59
* Sadin giggles20:59
Sadinmy php ish so fast :D20:59
MutantTurkeyphp sucks.21:04
SadinMutantTurkey lies!21:05
MutantTurkeyno lies21:05
* Sadin dares to sk what MutentTurkey uses21:05
SadinMutantTurkey you cant say PHP sucks until you build an incredibly fast web application/site with http://fuelphp.com/ or http://kohanaframework.org/21:06
MutantTurkeyincredibly crappy crap21:06
* Sadin 's site is powered by fuel http://sadin.ifndev.com/21:07
SadinMutantTurkey what do you use then21:07
Sadintell me21:07
SadinMutantTurkey for dynamic sites?21:07
Sadinwhat do you use21:07
MutantTurkeyit doesn't meant that it doesn't suck21:07
SadinMutantTurkey tell me why it sucks or whats better then it and ill give u a cookie21:08
MutantTurkeyPython or Ruby on rails are better.21:08
MutantTurkeyweak typing sucks21:08
MutantTurkeynot being thread safe21:08
MutantTurkeybad character support21:08
MutantTurkeyincompatible versions21:09
MutantTurkey"Every solution I've ever seen or developed in PHP feels clunky and bulky, there is no elegance or grace. Working with PHP is a bit like throwing a 10 pound concrete cube from a ten story building: You'll get where you're going fast, but it's not very elegant. ... I love PHP, and it's the right tool for some jobs. It's just an ugly, cumbersome tool that makes me cry and have nightmares. It's the new VB6 in a C dress. "21:09
MutantTurkeyI'd love a none ASP based ASP related programming language21:10
MutantTurkeyfor the web21:10
SadinMutantTurkey nothing compares to phps speed when done right and if your have enough skills syntax shouldnt mean crap21:15
SadinRuby is slow21:15
MutantTurkeywhat do you mean21:15
MutantTurkeyyou are crazy21:15
Sadinand RubyOnRails cant scale to save its life compared to a PHP application21:15
MutantTurkeyPHP IS SLOW.21:15
SadinPython is a good option i will agree there21:15
MutantTurkeydude all interpreted languages are slow as heck21:15
MutantTurkeysyntax? what that is irrelevant21:15
SadinMutantTurkey on the contrary idiots that right PHP and bloat it are slow21:16
MutantTurkeywhy not some good old C and html? that's enough.21:16
SadinRuby Python and PHP out of all three if WRITTEN for OPTIMIZATION PHP comes out on top closely followed by python and ruby trailing behind21:16
SadinRuby is a good language21:16
Sadincept RoR is bloated as crap21:17
MutantTurkeyi hate them all actually21:17
MutantTurkeybloat doesn't matter if your using a framework anywya.21:17
Sadinand cant scale when you face bigger userbases21:17
MutantTurkeythey are all bloated21:17
SadinMutantTurkey not really21:17
MutantTurkeyanyone with a sufficiently large enough userbase shouldn't be working on a framework anyhow21:17
MutantTurkeythey should have a custom one21:17
SadinMutantTurkey correct so not RubyOnrails21:17
MutantTurkeyI don't use rails21:17
MutantTurkeywhy not just use C?21:18
Sadindidnt say you did you claimed it was better then PHP21:18
MutantTurkeyfor development21:18
Sadini dont use C for web development21:18
MutantTurkeyright now i am working through a mess of a php framework that i need to  customize for my job21:18
Sadinand web development is all i do21:18
MutantTurkeyI need this to be done in 40 minutes21:18
MutantTurkeyit's not going to happen21:18
MutantTurkeybut why not use C for web programming/21:18
SadinMutantTurkey what framework21:18
Sadinand cause its not standards21:18
Sadinand C is a mess21:19
MutantTurkeySOMEONE HELP ME.21:19
MutantTurkeyC is not a mess. C89 is one of the best languages out there.21:19
MutantTurkeyfor standards why don't you do a little historical reading on Server side scripting. you'll find that C, along with perl and shell scripts were primarly used for server side scripting earlier in the web using CGI a common gateway interface....21:20
MutantTurkeyHELLOOOO PEOPLE.21:20
SadinMutantTurkey yes but they arent used anymore21:21
Sadinand if i know PHP and it works and works very well why would i branch from that21:21
MutantTurkeythey aren't used anymore....21:21
MutantTurkeywhaddya mean21:21
MutantTurkeycrazy people21:23
jedijfSadin: use whatever you are comfortable with21:36
jedijfeven if its wrong21:36
jedijfjust kidding21:37
jedijfuse is the key21:38
MutantTurkeySadin: here is a good summary21:40
MutantTurkeybut yes go ahead and use php. it's not half bad for what you need21:40
MutantTurkeyit's a place to start21:40
jedijfSadin: no kids at school into computers/web design/programming?21:42
jedijfarduino, electronics21:42
jedijfMutantTurkey: that goes for you too. no other like souls at hs or mc3?21:43
MutantTurkeyjedijf: everyone into web programming is an idiot as far as I see.21:43
MutantTurkeysorry, not you Sadin21:43
MutantTurkeybut a lot of people I know who do web programming21:44
MutantTurkeyfrankly our interests are so far apart21:44
MutantTurkeyat MC3 I have music friends that's about it. haven't been to my hs in 2 years. the only people I see is a small select of freinds. We play halo and super smash brothers. thta's about it21:44
MutantTurkeymy computer friends are all online21:45
JonathanDThese are friends who are also computers?21:45
jedijfwe are doomed21:46
MutantTurkeytesting testing testing21:47
MutantTurkeythis is terrible21:47
MutantTurkeydoes konversation really write back to my logs all the time21:47
MutantTurkeyoh dear god21:47
JonathanDMutantTurkey: are you ok, sir?21:47
MutantTurkeyjust testing to see if konversation was writing out my logs21:48
MutantTurkeyno more logs for me21:48
JonathanDYou don't like logs?21:48
MutantTurkeynot on a lappy where it just eats my battery life doing random seq writes.21:48
JonathanDMine go to SQL.21:49
JonathanDBut not locally.21:49
MutantTurkeyI prefer flatfile21:50
MutantTurkeyfor everything21:50
MutantTurkeyusing SQL is just a dumb barrier.21:50
MutantTurkeyin my mind21:50
MutantTurkeyand a useless dependency21:50
MutantTurkeyit's a irc log. it doesn't need a db.21:50
JonathanDit makes things easier for me.21:50
JonathanDI often run (realtime) queries to see what a given person is saying in multiple channels.21:51
JonathanDFor example.21:51
JonathanDHelps me troll-hunt.21:51
MutantTurkeyokay that is legit21:51
MutantTurkeylol at this comment // This paper does not exists!! Send in free french21:52
JonathanDI'd like to refine it into a client feature at some point.21:52
JonathanDWhere I can, for example, filter out everyone in a channel but the people I'm trying to see, but then go back and unfilter it when I'm done.21:52
JonathanDBut I'm pretty sure I'd have to write my own client to do it the way I want :)21:53
MutantTurkeyJonathanD: I would argue that using grep and sort is probably just as easy21:56
MutantTurkeyI just grepped for your name JonathanD in my logs folder21:56
MutantTurkeythen sorted it21:56
JonathanDMutantTurkey: maybe. Maybe not :P21:56
MutantTurkeyreturns most recent results across all my channels?21:56
MutantTurkeyi could also easily return anything else too21:57
JonathanDMutantTurkey: now do it for 6 people at once. For reference, my command to do so is21:57
JonathanD/follow nick1 nick2 nick3 nick4 nick5 nick621:57
JonathanDYes, you can do that with grep. But it's a bit harder.21:57
MutantTurkeywhich client are you using?21:57
MutantTurkeyvery nice21:58
JonathanDAlso, I can selectively expose channel logs to other people via a web interface. Unique logins are generated for them to view what I want to show them.21:58
MutantTurkeywell that's just a matter of using OR or AND operators21:58
JonathanDI'm still working on that bit, but it's nearly there...21:58
MutantTurkeyI see your need for logs is much greater than mine21:58
JonathanDI'm in a lot of channels.21:59
JonathanDAnd theres a lot of stuff I like to see.21:59
JonathanDI probably don't "need" any of it.21:59
JonathanDMutantTurkey: longer term, I want to build a client that stores and logs everything, but only shows me what I asked for (and only sends me what I asked for over the wire.)22:00
JonathanDIt'll automatigically pull down what I need to see, when I ask for it, and will not need to reconnect if I lose network connectivity since the "gathering" agent will be running elsewhere, populating sql, and I'll just be fetching and sending as data is available.22:01
JonathanDAnd stuff.22:02
MutantTurkeyJonathanD: yeah I guess i'm only in five channels or so22:07
JonathanDI'm in... a lot.22:08
MutantTurkeyyou are in 2 channels.22:09
JonathanDI'm in well over 100.22:09
MutantTurkeyanother name?22:09
JonathanDwhois won't tell you what someones in, generally. Only what channels you share with them.22:09
MutantTurkeyoh really?22:09
MutantTurkeyI assume whois was a distribution of all channels22:09
JonathanDDepends on what modes they have set.22:10
MutantTurkeycan you identify the number of channels a user is in22:10
MutantTurkeyi see.22:10
JonathanDI can.22:10
JonathanDMutantTurkey: if you have +s set on yourself, folks can't see any channels you don't share.22:11
MutantTurkeymake sense22:11
JonathanDEven if you don't, channels can have a similar mode set so that that channel won't be seen on the whois output for anyone who isn't already in it.22:11
MutantTurkeywould it be bad to set my hotspot name to "Free SEPTA(tm) WiFi" and then use wireshark to gain access to other people's packets?22:51
MutantTurkeyconnect you free wifi stealing bastards connect i daresay!22:52

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