[01:40] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: what is WPLUG and is it part of PLUG?
[01:41] <rmg51> MutantTurkey: it's all basically the same thing in a different location
[01:43] <rmg51> http://www.phillylinux.org/west.html
[01:43] <MutantTurkey> rmg51: thanks :-)
[01:44] <rmg51> k
[02:21] <ChinnoDog> PennBot++
[02:22] <ChinnoDog> @karma
[02:22] <PennBot> ChinnoDog: Highest karma: "cats" (3), "PennBot" (1), "EvilResistance" (1), "Ubuntu" (1), and "MutantTurkey" (-1).  Lowest karma: "MutantTurkey" (-1), "PennBot" (1), "EvilResistance" (1), "Ubuntu" (1), and "cats" (3).
[02:22] <MutantTurkey> cats++
[02:22] <MutantTurkey> cats++
[02:22] <MutantTurkey> cats++
[02:22] <MobileTurkey> MutantTurkey++
[02:22] <MobileTurkey> MutantTurkey++
[02:22] <MobileTurkey> MutantTurkey++
[02:22] <MobileTurkey> @karma
[02:22] <PennBot> MobileTurkey: Highest karma: "cats" (6), "MutantTurkey" (2), "PennBot" (1), "EvilResistance" (1), and "Ubuntu" (1).  Lowest karma: "PennBot" (1), "EvilResistance" (1), "Ubuntu" (1), "MutantTurkey" (2), and "cats" (6).
[02:23] <MobileTurkey> :p
[02:23] <ChinnoDog> artificial_karma--
[02:23] <MutantTurkey> ChinnoDog--
[02:23] <ChinnoDog> MutantTurkey--
[02:23] <MutantTurkey> MutantTurkey++
[02:23] <ChinnoDog> MobileTurkey--
[02:23] <MutantTurkey> childishgames--
[02:23] <MutantTurkey> MobileTurkey++
[02:23] <ChinnoDog> pleia2++
[02:23] <MutantTurkey> pleia2++
[02:24] <ChinnoDog> Guess PennBot saw the wizard because he has a brain now
[02:33] <waltman> @karma waltman
[02:33] <PennBot> waltman: waltman has neutral karma.
[04:55] <Sadin> ChinnoDog !
[04:59] <Sadin> or InHisName Somebody! i gotta share the awesome i found
[05:46] <ChinnoDog> He quit
[05:46] <ChinnoDog> No sharing after you quit
[10:54] <JonathanD> Good morning.
[11:07] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[11:09] <JonathanD> How goes, rmg51
[11:44] <rmg51> goes slow
[11:45] <rmg51> never enough time :P
[11:45] <JonathanD> Indeed.
[12:28] <waltman> Morning again? Didn't we just have one of these yesterday?
[15:59] <MutantTurkey> all cool cats -> #arch-us-pa
[16:13] <ChinnoDog> I am not cool enough for that channel
[16:13] <MutantTurkey> lol
[16:13] <MutantTurkey> you're also a dog.
[16:13] <MutantTurkey> LOL
[16:45] <ChinnoDog> Amarok is pretty
[16:45] <ChinnoDog> And there are a bazillion options in KDE, neatly organized
[16:45] <MutantTurkey> amarok lol yes it is pretty
[16:45] <ChinnoDog> I might be a convert
[16:45] <ChinnoDog> The effects run at a reasonable speed too
[16:45] <MutantTurkey> moc  is where it's really at. :p
[16:51]  * erstazi loves Amarok. 
[16:51] <Adom> UGH, the moc site opens every link in a new window
[16:52] <Adom> MutantTurkey: any important difference between moc vs mpd?
[16:52] <MutantTurkey> moc is easier
[16:52] <MutantTurkey> WAY EASIER
[16:52] <MutantTurkey> it just works
[16:52] <MutantTurkey> no bs
[16:52] <MutantTurkey> and you don't have to set up libraries
[16:52] <MutantTurkey> which is complicated and annoying
[16:53] <MutantTurkey> it lets you just browse through folders like a regular FM
[16:53] <MutantTurkey> which is preferable because that is how you naturally organize albums
[16:53] <MutantTurkey> (hopefully you do to)
[16:53] <MutantTurkey> main Music folder -> Artist -> Albums -> Songs
[16:53] <erstazi> So, I am looking at http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ and I am wondering which is the most stable kernel to bump myself up from 3.0.4? This is for my workstation and not a server.
[16:54] <MutantTurkey> isn't the most stable always the most recent?
[16:54] <MutantTurkey> always has the latest security fixes and performance bumps at least
[16:54] <erstazi> MutantTurkey: negative
[16:54] <MutantTurkey> I've found 3.2 is very stable as well.
[16:54] <MutantTurkey> 2.6.39 was very stable as well
[16:54] <erstazi> MutantTurkey: really? Are you using this PPA or do you build your own kernel?
[16:55] <MutantTurkey> I build my own kernel on my arch box, on ubuntu I use some random 3.2 ppa
[16:55] <waltman> The last time I played with Amarok, I was looking for something on Linux that could manage podcasts as nicely as iTunes does.  I decided Amarok wasn't it.
[16:55] <erstazi> MutantTurkey: do you have access to that source.list on that box to see what ppa it is?
[16:55] <MutantTurkey> yes
[16:55] <MutantTurkey> ket ne checj
[16:56] <Adom> waltman: lmk if you found anything nice for podcasts for linux, im still looking. video podcasts specifically. you find me something that autodownloads video podcasts nicely and plays nice with syncing to my ipod for linux, and ill /kiss you right on the mouth
[16:57] <Adom> MutantTurkey: i do Audio > Music > Artist > Song
[16:57] <Adom> dont care much about which album its on
[16:57] <MutantTurkey> pfft you are some new age weirdo then
[16:57] <Adom> plus i tend to download 1, 2, 5 songs at a time, not always the whole album
[16:57] <MutantTurkey> it's all about the album!
[16:57] <MutantTurkey> right
[16:57] <MutantTurkey> different listening style
[16:57] <Adom> ^
[16:57] <MutantTurkey> i tend to do 1, 2, 5 albums at a time
[16:57] <MutantTurkey> I like to understand the artist as a whole
[16:58] <Adom> i have a couple wget scripts that scrape music blogs, then i do some automated ID3 magic, then they're moved to their respective folders
[16:58]  * Adom is an ameteur DJ.
[16:58] <waltman> Adom: That as much as anything is why I have an iPhone instead of something Android.
[16:58] <Adom> local bars, weddings, etc
[16:59] <Adom> waltman: well, i have an android phone, and a nano (one of the new ones with the LCD)
[16:59] <Adom> id like to watch video podcasts on either, but barely any software out there works nice with video podcasts and syncing to devices besides iTunes
[16:59] <Adom> iTunes does, however, work flawlessly for this
[16:59] <Adom> :(
[16:59] <MutantTurkey> erstazi: how the heck do I do this on ubuntu?
[16:59] <waltman> downloading video podcasts and syncing them to your phone is trivial with iTunes
[16:59] <MutantTurkey> i don't see it in my /etc/apt/source.list or in the sources.list.d/ folder
[17:00] <Adom> waltman: yeah, iTUnes is great with my iPod, i shouldve said
[17:00] <Adom> havent gone into syncing media with my phone much. i keep afew songs on it incase i dont have signal, but mostly i stream Pandora, Grooveshark, Google Music, etc
[17:00] <waltman> Adom: And it doesn't seem like it should be rocket science to implement, either.
[17:01] <Adom> waltman: you get it working nicely with Android, fill me in, profit
[17:01] <waltman> I don't have anything android to test it on.
[17:01] <erstazi> MutantTurkey: should be in /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:02] <MutantTurkey> streaming music sucks my battery
[17:02] <erstazi> haha ^^ battery died MutantTurkey ?
[17:02] <MutantTurkey> crappy wifi
[17:02] <MutantTurkey> and konversation tends to loose connection
[17:03] <Adom> erstazi: haha
[17:03] <Adom> yeah streaming sucks battery usually (although my battery lasts a lot longer on all fronts now that mines rooted running CyanogenMod7)
[17:03]  * Adom hugs CyanogenMod7.
[17:04] <MutantTurkey> hugs ChinnoDog
[17:06] <erstazi> MutantTurkey: the list should either be in /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[17:06] <MutantTurkey> yeah I don't see it
[17:06] <MutantTurkey> I can't really look now either
[17:06] <MutantTurkey> i'm in a meeting
[17:06] <MutantTurkey> can you ping me later?
[17:07] <erstazi> MutantTurkey: ah ok. yes, thanks! will do (grep -Ri 'linux' /etc/apt/*)
[17:09] <ChinnoDog> huh what? hugs?
[18:08] <EvilResistance> hmm... i should probably set up the 'seen' databases
[18:09] <EvilResistance> and i should get the database of karma stuffs from the previous bot host :P
[18:18] <jedijf> @seen Adom
[18:18] <PennBot> jedijf: Adom was last seen in #ubuntu-us-pa 1 hour, 14 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: * Adom hugs CyanogenMod7.
[18:18] <EvilResistance> huh its working
[18:18]  * EvilResistance shrugs
[18:18]  * EvilResistance saw db errors yesterday, so...
[18:19] <jedijf> @seen flying pigs
[18:19] <PennBot> jedijf: (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself.
[18:19] <jedijf> @seen flying_pigs
[18:19] <PennBot> jedijf: I have not seen flying_pigs.
[18:28] <ChinnoDog> @seen pink_elephants
[18:28] <PennBot> ChinnoDog: I have not seen pink_elephants.
[18:31] <adom> @seen a girl naked
[18:31] <PennBot> adom: (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself.
[18:31] <adom> @seen a_girl_naked
[18:31] <PennBot> adom: I have not seen a_girl_naked.
[18:31] <adom> ha!
[20:45] <Sadin> MutantTurkey
[20:46] <MutantTurkey> sup doode
[20:47] <Sadin> just brought home 6 job applications
[20:47] <Sadin> borrowing about 180$ from my dad soon to save for a new mini ITX workstation im building
[20:50] <MutantTurkey> nice
[20:50] <MutantTurkey> a mini itx crap
[20:50] <MutantTurkey> dude
[20:50] <MutantTurkey> want mine?
[20:50] <MutantTurkey> i have a intel atom n330 that gets 0 use these days.
[20:51] <MutantTurkey> get it now for a very low price
[20:51] <MutantTurkey> but really.
[20:51] <MutantTurkey> Sadin: whatddya say...
[20:51] <Sadin> Mutant Turkey how much
[20:52] <MutantTurkey> well is that what you are looking for?
[20:52] <MutantTurkey> maybe you should just get a new one
[20:52] <MutantTurkey> now that i tink of it
[20:52] <MutantTurkey> its a peice of crap
[20:52] <Sadin> and how much max ram capacity and does it have a pci express 2 expansion slot
[20:53] <Sadin> ^
[20:53] <Sadin> id rather buy it new
[20:53] <MutantTurkey> 1 pciE sorry
[20:53] <MutantTurkey> yeah buy a new one
[20:53] <Sadin> if im getting a job and selling stuff i might as well get the awesome stuff for this epic price
[20:53] <MutantTurkey> :-P
[20:53] <MutantTurkey> what kind of job?
[20:53] <MutantTurkey> what region do you live in?
[20:54] <Sadin> MutantTurkey check it the only parts i need to buy are here and their pretty dam cheap http://i.imgur.com/G2fA9.png i have a SATA HD and optical drive here at home already and a graphics card which is this exact card here: http://xfxforce.com/en-us/Products/Graphics-Cards/ATI/ATI-Radeon-HD-4000-Series/ATI-Radeon-HD-4350.aspx
[20:54] <Sadin> MutantTurkey near Reading in between reading and Philly
[20:54] <MutantTurkey> amd is crap
[20:54] <MutantTurkey> get the intel ones
[20:54] <MutantTurkey> Sadin: gotcha
[20:54] <MutantTurkey> the middle of nowhere
[20:54] <Sadin> MutantTurkey no i dun want to
[20:54] <MutantTurkey> why NOT
[20:54] <MutantTurkey> they are way more powerful no?
[20:55] <Sadin> Mutant Turkey intel atom at that price?
[20:55] <Sadin> no way
[20:55] <MutantTurkey> dude why not
[20:55] <MutantTurkey> the E-350 sucks
[20:55] <Sadin> Mutant Turkey it has to be better then a 03 single core intel pentium
[20:56] <MutantTurkey> what single core pentiums
[20:56] <MutantTurkey> ?
[20:56] <MutantTurkey> OH YOURS
[20:56] <MutantTurkey> LOLOLOL
[20:56] <MutantTurkey> Sadin: my intel atom n330 was about as powerful as a P4 i tink
[20:56] <MutantTurkey> get the newer one thogh
[20:56] <MutantTurkey> checkout
[20:56] <MutantTurkey> microbox.net
[20:56] <MutantTurkey> or something
[20:56] <MutantTurkey> microbox.org
[20:56] <Sadin> MutantTurkey yeah my main PC only has a pentium 3gb ddr2 ram
[20:56] <MutantTurkey> they have a lot of embedded stuff thats cool
[20:56] <MutantTurkey> whats wrong with 3gb of ddr2 ram?
[20:57] <Sadin> MutantTurkey compared to 8gb or DDR3 on a machine that can hold up to 16gb DDR3 alot
[20:57] <Sadin> wrong
[20:57] <Sadin> :)
[20:57] <MutantTurkey> you don't need htat
[20:57] <MutantTurkey> you really don't need that at all.
[20:57] <Sadin> MutantTurkey apache deamons take up alot
[20:58] <MutantTurkey> i mean, when do you ever go over 3 221 225 472 bytes of ram
[20:58] <MutantTurkey> not 3 gigs
[20:58] <MutantTurkey> and switch away from apacrap
[20:58] <MutantTurkey> use lighttpd
[20:58] <Sadin> httpd
[20:58] <MutantTurkey> woop
[20:58] <Sadin> or nginx is what i use
[20:58] <MutantTurkey> nginx is good as well
[20:58] <Sadin> nginx is better on slower CPUs with less cores though
[20:59] <Sadin> my VPS runs nginx cause its got quad core
[20:59] <Sadin> both of my VPS' run it actually
[20:59] <Sadin> with PHP APC and php accellerator
[20:59]  * Sadin giggles
[20:59] <Sadin> my php ish so fast :D
[21:04] <MutantTurkey> php sucks.
[21:05] <Sadin> MutantTurkey lies!
[21:05] <MutantTurkey> no lies
[21:05]  * Sadin dares to sk what MutentTurkey uses
[21:06] <Sadin> MutantTurkey you cant say PHP sucks until you build an incredibly fast web application/site with http://fuelphp.com/ or http://kohanaframework.org/
[21:06] <MutantTurkey> incredibly crappy crap
[21:07]  * Sadin 's site is powered by fuel http://sadin.ifndev.com/
[21:07] <Sadin> MutantTurkey what do you use then
[21:07] <Sadin> tell me
[21:07] <MutantTurkey> html
[21:07] <MutantTurkey> :-)
[21:07] <Sadin> MutantTurkey for dynamic sites?
[21:07] <Sadin> what do you use
[21:07] <MutantTurkey> php
[21:07] <MutantTurkey> it doesn't meant that it doesn't suck
[21:08] <Sadin> MutantTurkey tell me why it sucks or whats better then it and ill give u a cookie
[21:08] <MutantTurkey> Python or Ruby on rails are better.
[21:08] <MutantTurkey> weak typing sucks
[21:08] <MutantTurkey> not being thread safe
[21:08] <MutantTurkey> sucks
[21:08] <MutantTurkey> bad character support
[21:09] <MutantTurkey> incompatible versions
[21:09] <MutantTurkey> "Every solution I've ever seen or developed in PHP feels clunky and bulky, there is no elegance or grace. Working with PHP is a bit like throwing a 10 pound concrete cube from a ten story building: You'll get where you're going fast, but it's not very elegant. ... I love PHP, and it's the right tool for some jobs. It's just an ugly, cumbersome tool that makes me cry and have nightmares. It's the new VB6 in a C dress. "
[21:10] <MutantTurkey> I'd love a none ASP based ASP related programming language
[21:10] <MutantTurkey> for the web
[21:15] <Sadin> MutantTurkey nothing compares to phps speed when done right and if your have enough skills syntax shouldnt mean crap
[21:15] <Sadin> Ruby is slow
[21:15] <MutantTurkey> what do you mean
[21:15] <MutantTurkey> you are crazy
[21:15] <Sadin> and RubyOnRails cant scale to save its life compared to a PHP application
[21:15] <MutantTurkey> PHP IS SLOW.
[21:15] <Sadin> Python is a good option i will agree there
[21:15] <MutantTurkey> dude all interpreted languages are slow as heck
[21:15] <MutantTurkey> syntax? what that is irrelevant
[21:16] <Sadin> MutantTurkey on the contrary idiots that right PHP and bloat it are slow
[21:16] <MutantTurkey> why not some good old C and html? that's enough.
[21:16] <MutantTurkey> write'
[21:16] <Sadin> Ruby Python and PHP out of all three if WRITTEN for OPTIMIZATION PHP comes out on top closely followed by python and ruby trailing behind
[21:16] <Sadin> Ruby is a good language
[21:17] <Sadin> cept RoR is bloated as crap
[21:17] <MutantTurkey> i hate them all actually
[21:17] <MutantTurkey> bloat doesn't matter if your using a framework anywya.
[21:17] <Sadin> and cant scale when you face bigger userbases
[21:17] <MutantTurkey> they are all bloated
[21:17] <Sadin> MutantTurkey not really
[21:17] <MutantTurkey> anyone with a sufficiently large enough userbase shouldn't be working on a framework anyhow
[21:17] <MutantTurkey> they should have a custom one
[21:17] <Sadin> MutantTurkey correct so not RubyOnrails
[21:17] <MutantTurkey> I don't use rails
[21:18] <MutantTurkey> why not just use C?
[21:18] <Sadin> didnt say you did you claimed it was better then PHP
[21:18] <MutantTurkey> for development
[21:18] <Sadin> i dont use C for web development
[21:18] <MutantTurkey> right now i am working through a mess of a php framework that i need to  customize for my job
[21:18] <Sadin> and web development is all i do
[21:18] <MutantTurkey> I need this to be done in 40 minutes
[21:18] <MutantTurkey> it's not going to happen
[21:18] <MutantTurkey> but why not use C for web programming/
[21:18] <MutantTurkey> ?
[21:18] <Sadin> MutantTurkey what framework
[21:18] <Sadin> and cause its not standards
[21:19] <Sadin> and C is a mess
[21:19] <MutantTurkey> ...
[21:19] <MutantTurkey> SOMEONE HELP ME.
[21:19] <MutantTurkey> C is not a mess. C89 is one of the best languages out there.
[21:20] <MutantTurkey> for standards why don't you do a little historical reading on Server side scripting. you'll find that C, along with perl and shell scripts were primarly used for server side scripting earlier in the web using CGI a common gateway interface....
[21:20] <MutantTurkey> HELLOOOO PEOPLE.
[21:21] <Sadin> MutantTurkey yes but they arent used anymore
[21:21] <Sadin> and if i know PHP and it works and works very well why would i branch from that
[21:21] <MutantTurkey> they aren't used anymore....
[21:21] <MutantTurkey> whaddya mean
[21:23] <MutantTurkey> crazy people
[21:36] <jedijf> Sadin: use whatever you are comfortable with
[21:36] <jedijf> even if its wrong
[21:37] <jedijf> just kidding
[21:38] <jedijf> use is the key
[21:40] <MutantTurkey> Sadin: here is a good summary
[21:40] <MutantTurkey> http://www.bitstorm.org/edwin/en/php/
[21:40] <MutantTurkey> but yes go ahead and use php. it's not half bad for what you need
[21:40] <MutantTurkey> it's a place to start
[21:42] <jedijf> Sadin: no kids at school into computers/web design/programming?
[21:42] <jedijf> arduino, electronics
[21:42] <jedijf> robotics
[21:43] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: that goes for you too. no other like souls at hs or mc3?
[21:43] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: everyone into web programming is an idiot as far as I see.
[21:43] <MutantTurkey> sorry, not you Sadin
[21:44] <MutantTurkey> but a lot of people I know who do web programming
[21:44] <MutantTurkey> frankly our interests are so far apart
[21:44] <MutantTurkey> at MC3 I have music friends that's about it. haven't been to my hs in 2 years. the only people I see is a small select of freinds. We play halo and super smash brothers. thta's about it
[21:45] <MutantTurkey> my computer friends are all online
[21:45] <MutantTurkey> :-p
[21:45] <JonathanD> These are friends who are also computers?
[21:46] <jedijf> we are doomed
[21:46] <MutantTurkey> whut?
[21:47] <MutantTurkey> testing testing testing
[21:47] <MutantTurkey> lalalalala
[21:47] <MutantTurkey> this is terrible
[21:47] <MutantTurkey> does konversation really write back to my logs all the time
[21:47] <MutantTurkey> fml
[21:47] <MutantTurkey> crap
[21:47] <MutantTurkey> crapcrapcrapcrap
[21:47] <MutantTurkey> oh dear god
[21:47] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: are you ok, sir?
[21:48] <MutantTurkey> just testing to see if konversation was writing out my logs
[21:48] <MutantTurkey> immediately
[21:48] <MutantTurkey> no more logs for me
[21:48] <JonathanD> You don't like logs?
[21:48] <MutantTurkey> not on a lappy where it just eats my battery life doing random seq writes.
[21:48] <JonathanD> ah.
[21:49] <JonathanD> Mine go to SQL.
[21:49] <JonathanD> But not locally.
[21:50] <MutantTurkey> I prefer flatfile
[21:50] <MutantTurkey> for everything
[21:50] <MutantTurkey> using SQL is just a dumb barrier.
[21:50] <MutantTurkey> in my mind
[21:50] <MutantTurkey> and a useless dependency
[21:50] <MutantTurkey> it's a irc log. it doesn't need a db.
[21:50] <JonathanD> it makes things easier for me.
[21:51] <MutantTurkey> howso?
[21:51] <JonathanD> I often run (realtime) queries to see what a given person is saying in multiple channels.
[21:51] <JonathanD> For example.
[21:51] <JonathanD> Helps me troll-hunt.
[21:51] <MutantTurkey> okay that is legit
[21:52] <MutantTurkey> lol at this comment // This paper does not exists!! Send in free french
[21:52] <MutantTurkey> lol
[21:52] <JonathanD> I'd like to refine it into a client feature at some point.
[21:52] <JonathanD> Where I can, for example, filter out everyone in a channel but the people I'm trying to see, but then go back and unfilter it when I'm done.
[21:53] <JonathanD> But I'm pretty sure I'd have to write my own client to do it the way I want :)
[21:56] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: I would argue that using grep and sort is probably just as easy
[21:56] <MutantTurkey> I just grepped for your name JonathanD in my logs folder
[21:56] <MutantTurkey> then sorted it
[21:56] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: maybe. Maybe not :P
[21:56] <MutantTurkey> returns most recent results across all my channels?
[21:57] <MutantTurkey> i could also easily return anything else too
[21:57] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: now do it for 6 people at once. For reference, my command to do so is
[21:57] <JonathanD> /follow nick1 nick2 nick3 nick4 nick5 nick6
[21:57] <JonathanD> Yes, you can do that with grep. But it's a bit harder.
[21:57] <MutantTurkey> which client are you using?
[21:57] <JonathanD> irssi.
[21:58] <MutantTurkey> very nice
[21:58] <JonathanD> Also, I can selectively expose channel logs to other people via a web interface. Unique logins are generated for them to view what I want to show them.
[21:58] <MutantTurkey> well that's just a matter of using OR or AND operators
[21:58] <JonathanD> I'm still working on that bit, but it's nearly there...
[21:58] <MutantTurkey> I see your need for logs is much greater than mine
[21:59] <JonathanD> I'm in a lot of channels.
[21:59] <JonathanD> And theres a lot of stuff I like to see.
[21:59] <JonathanD> I probably don't "need" any of it.
[22:00] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: longer term, I want to build a client that stores and logs everything, but only shows me what I asked for (and only sends me what I asked for over the wire.)
[22:01] <JonathanD> It'll automatigically pull down what I need to see, when I ask for it, and will not need to reconnect if I lose network connectivity since the "gathering" agent will be running elsewhere, populating sql, and I'll just be fetching and sending as data is available.
[22:02] <JonathanD> And stuff.
[22:07] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: yeah I guess i'm only in five channels or so
[22:07] <JonathanD> :)
[22:07] <MutantTurkey> :-P
[22:08] <JonathanD> I'm in... a lot.
[22:09] <MutantTurkey> you are in 2 channels.
[22:09] <MutantTurkey> ...
[22:09] <JonathanD> I'm in well over 100.
[22:09] <MutantTurkey> another name?
[22:09] <JonathanD> whois won't tell you what someones in, generally. Only what channels you share with them.
[22:09] <MutantTurkey> oh really?
[22:09] <MutantTurkey> I assume whois was a distribution of all channels
[22:10] <JonathanD> Depends on what modes they have set.
[22:10] <MutantTurkey> can you identify the number of channels a user is in
[22:10] <MutantTurkey> i see.
[22:10] <JonathanD> I can.
[22:11] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: if you have +s set on yourself, folks can't see any channels you don't share.
[22:11] <MutantTurkey> cool
[22:11] <MutantTurkey> make sense
[22:11] <JonathanD> Even if you don't, channels can have a similar mode set so that that channel won't be seen on the whois output for anyone who isn't already in it.
[22:51] <MutantTurkey> would it be bad to set my hotspot name to "Free SEPTA(tm) WiFi" and then use wireshark to gain access to other people's packets?
[22:51] <MutantTurkey> j/w
[22:52] <MutantTurkey> connect you free wifi stealing bastards connect i daresay!