| len | Nope not dhcp, I can set it up static and it says it is connected, but I can't ping anything... like the gateway. | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| len | Anyway, the xubuntu live cd has the same problem with the wireless networking | 00:03 |
| astraljava | Strange. | 00:04 |
| astraljava | I will test it on my laptop, just the live session though. | 00:04 |
| micahg | len: is it ath9k? | 00:11 |
| ScottL | i'm still waiting for the new studio iso | 00:55 |
| len | Sounds right | 00:56 |
| len | Let me bring it here. | 00:56 |
| micahg | len: is your wireless driver ath9k? | 00:56 |
| len | micahg: what is the easy way to tell? | 00:58 |
| micahg | lshw -C network | 00:58 |
| len | micahg: I see ath9k in the syslog | 00:59 |
| micahg | len: yeah, so the new kernel update broke it, another new kernel was uploaded today to fix the issue | 00:59 |
| len | Ok, should I change the bug report from two days ago to reflect that it uses the ath9k? | 01:01 |
| micahg | bug 923512 was what was fixed | 01:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 923512 in linux (Ubuntu) "ath9k wireless stopped working after kernel upgrade to 3.2.0-12" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/923512 | 01:02 |
| len | Ok, I'll mark mine as a duplicate of that then. | 01:08 |
| len | I'm just doing a live install of xubuntu. It is stalled right now because it is trying to download more packages :-P | 01:27 |
| len | However, a quick point for whoever is doing our install slide show. Try to make it not version specific. | 01:28 |
| len | Xubuntu's slide show (maybe 3rd slide in?) shows an Email message saying how good Xubuntu 11.10 is. | 01:29 |
| astraljava | len: They usually are, intentionally. And updated quite late in the cycle, too. | 01:31 |
| len_ | ScottL: I downloaded and installed xubuntu. (we didn't get anything to install today) | 02:10 |
| len_ | They don't have /usr/share/xgreeters/default.desktop either. | 02:11 |
| len_ | But lightdm still works. | 02:11 |
| micahg | len_: take a look at the postinst and postrm in xubuntu-default-settings | 02:12 |
| astraljava | I see. Yeah, that should be an easy fix. | 02:14 |
| astraljava | All those files will require a heavy face-lifting anyway, as we're not going to use Thunar anymore, IINM. | 02:17 |
| len_ | Ja, but it is easier to test things if lightdm shows up. | 02:18 |
| knome | astraljava, huh? why no thunar? :P | 02:18 |
| astraljava | knome: WASN'T ME!! | 02:18 |
| astraljava | Talk to Scott. | 02:18 |
| knome | :< | 02:18 |
| astraljava | I would have no objections to Thunar. In fact, I rather like it. | 02:19 |
| knome | so what are you going to use then? nautilus? | 02:19 |
| astraljava | And it's partly why I will continue using Xubuntu on the laptop. | 02:19 |
| astraljava | Yeah. | 02:19 |
| knome | ugh | 02:19 |
| knome | congrats for selecting a lighter OS then | 02:19 |
| knome | ;) | 02:19 |
| astraljava | From the ones currently available, it suits my work flow best. | 02:20 |
| knome | we need to stop making the arch-motion with the xubuntu burndown | 02:22 |
| knome | http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-xubuntu.html - see ? | 02:23 |
| astraljava | Heh. Interesting. | 02:24 |
| astraljava | ScottL: Will you update the us-default-settings files, or should I take it on my TODO list? | 02:25 |
| knome | i think i'm off for today | 02:26 |
| knome | need to do some work tomorrow... | 02:26 |
| knome | :/ | 02:26 |
| knome | see you!! | 02:26 |
| astraljava | Later. | 02:26 |
| ScottL | astraljava, i can do it, but i'll probably do it after A2 though :/ | 02:59 |
| astraljava | ScottL: Ahh... yeah. I think we had this discussion already. :) | 03:03 |
| len_ | There is a new US version... Time to download... | 03:11 |
| ScottL | ooooh, going upstairs then to start downloading as well :) | 03:27 |
| ScottL | i'm downloading 32bit because i suspect others will focus on 64bit | 03:29 |
| len | I have no such animal. So I will do 32 as well. | 03:30 |
| len_ | Ok, booted todays live dvd. | 04:46 |
| len_ | Live user is in audio group. | 04:46 |
| len_ | installed user is too. | 04:46 |
| len_ | /etc/security/limilts.d/file is still disabled | 04:47 |
| len_ | lightdm still not working (I think we knew that) | 04:47 |
| len_ | lightdm background now "surprise pink". | 04:48 |
| len_ | bug 923512 is still there. I guess the kernel patch didn't make it. | 04:48 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 923512 in linux (Ubuntu) "ath9k wireless stopped working after kernel upgrade to 3.2.0-12" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/923512 | 04:48 |
| len_ | Bug #923582 has been marked as a duplicate of bug 923512 | 05:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 923512 in linux (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #923582 ath9k wireless stopped working after kernel upgrade to 3.2.0-12" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/923512 | 05:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 923512 in linux (Ubuntu) "ath9k wireless stopped working after kernel upgrade to 3.2.0-12" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/923512 | 05:20 |
| len_ | This was fixed earlier today, but I don't know that the new one reached our DVD iso. | 05:21 |
| len_ | Kernel is still 3.2.0-12 | 05:23 |
| astraljava | Hmm... no one's filled QA results thus far? QA meeting in three hours, I'd appreciate some info, folks. | 15:01 |
| holstein | astraljava: :/ | 15:34 |
| holstein | i cant do it til much later | 15:34 |
| holstein | i plan on having a tech evening though | 15:34 |
| astraljava | holstein: It's fine. I think Scott and Len tested last night, but I wonder why there are no results from those. | 15:35 |
| astraljava | I'm doing an install now, the live session (on amd64) seemed to work ok. | 15:35 |
| holstein | i like this http://spreadubuntu.org/files/Branded-eternalstudio-wide.png | 15:43 |
| holstein | its got a little "kid" vibe to it that im not crazy about... but its slick and clean | 15:43 |
| scott-work | i haven't tested yet, i only downloaded the 32 bit image | 15:46 |
| scott-work | i will test tonight however | 15:46 |
| astraljava | Ok. Live session sort of works for amd64. I could play music, for instance, from a HDD. I could run others applications, too, and internet works. I could _not_, however, install applications to the session. | 15:50 |
| astraljava | And the installation fails. | 15:50 |
| holstein | interesting... | 15:51 |
| scott-work | i have a question: is there another reason that the images may be rebuilt for A2? | 15:51 |
| scott-work | if so, i'll try to get the lightdm fix into the image then | 15:51 |
| scott-work | maybe micahg can answer this? | 15:51 |
| scott-work | is there still the issue with the kernel regression and wireless? | 15:52 |
| charlie-tca | Something in casper is being fixed, and a respin talked about in #ubuntu-release | 15:52 |
| astraljava | Yeah, but they only limited it to alternates. | 15:54 |
| charlie-tca | desktop images only. Alternatives don't use casper | 15:54 |
| astraljava | The ath9k issue didn't make it, I assume. | 15:54 |
| astraljava | Ehh... sorry, you're right. | 15:55 |
| charlie-tca | np | 15:56 |
| astraljava | Erhm... no, skaet explicitly said "looks like we need to rebuild all alternates". | 15:56 |
| astraljava | So maybe not about casper, then. | 15:56 |
| charlie-tca | these testing days are enough to mess anyone's mind up | 15:56 |
| charlie-tca | eally? | 15:56 |
| charlie-tca | I missed that one | 15:57 |
| astraljava | [17:30] < skaet> stgraber, looks like we'll need to rebuild all the alternates (including server), edubuntu dvd, kubuntu dvd - have I missed some? | 15:57 |
| astraljava | 1730 UTC+2 | 15:57 |
| micahg | scott-work: you can get your image fixed if you like | 15:57 |
| micahg | how bad is it? | 15:58 |
| astraljava | micahg: I should be able to install packages in live sessions, right? (/me is a n00b when it comes to ubiquity usage) | 16:00 |
| micahg | sure | 16:00 |
| astraljava | Ok, then it seems I ran into a bug, which I have to report. | 16:00 |
| scott-work | micahg: i am talking about fixing the lightdm issue where it prevents x from starting on the install (i believe) | 16:57 |
| charlie-tca | astraljava: both geany and gedit installed here. did not run update though | 17:01 |
| astraljava | charlie-tca: Thanks! | 17:01 |
| astraljava | scott-work: They're talking about needs for respins on -release now. Could you please join the discussion? | 17:01 |
| scott-work | astraljava: okay | 17:04 |
| scott-work | although i'm not sure wehre the conversation is about studio :P | 17:06 |
| astraljava | [18:59] < slangasek> cjwatson: the most recent builds I did should already have the ath9k fix landed on any livefses, if I didn't screw it up - so perhaps that means ubuntustudio doesn't care about respinning? | 17:06 |
| astraljava | I told you were half-way wanting to include the lightdm fix, so wasn't sure _when_ we would want it. | 17:07 |
| scott-work | astraljava: is the lightdm something you can do tonight, like now? | 17:07 |
| scott-work | otherwise if we are waiting on me to get home tonight and do this.... | 17:07 |
| scott-work | i'm not sure i want to make everyone wait until tomorrow just for a fix | 17:08 |
| astraljava | I can start working on it as soon as I get all bugs filed on our images for A-2. | 17:08 |
| astraljava | But I'm not sure what are all of the fixes needed for it. Currently there seem to be lots of tweaks for Thunar. I suppose we can drop all of those now, right? | 17:08 |
| scott-work | astraljava: are you comfortable understanding what needs to be done? | 17:09 |
| scott-work | hehe | 17:09 |
| scott-work | i can look at them shortly and see what i _think_ is needed | 17:09 |
| astraljava | That'd be great, thanks! | 17:09 |
| astraljava | QA meeting at the same time with Xubuntu-devel. /me crashes into tiny bits | 17:10 |
| scott-work | i hope that these are changes that were made the xubuntu package recently, otherwise they should have been included already | 17:10 |
| * charlie-tca crashes too | 17:12 | |
| knome | astraljava, charlie-tca: should we move the meeting next week one hour later or earlier? | 17:12 |
| charlie-tca | later | 17:12 |
| astraljava | I'm fine with whatever. | 17:14 |
| knome | i will sort that out - later it is then :) | 17:14 |
| astraljava | Thanks! :) | 17:14 |
| scott-work | astraljava: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/xubuntu-default-settings/precise/view/head:/debian/xubuntu-default-settings.preinst | 17:19 |
| scott-work | the last bit of code is calling the lightdm reconfigure, but the concerning issue is that it is using a "previous version" number to qualify if the reconfigure happens | 17:20 |
| scott-work | oh, wait, i think it's seeing if it's the current version | 17:20 |
| astraljava | scott-work: not now, there's a meeting going on | 17:21 |
| astraljava | :) | 17:21 |
| scott-work | hehe, no problem | 17:21 |
| knome | two meetings | 17:22 |
| knome | ;) | 17:22 |
| scott-work | sorry to all xubuntu people | 17:22 |
| astraljava | Yup. Two meetings, -testing, -devel and -release channel monitoring. I'm going nuts! | 17:22 |
| astraljava | (yeah I know, what do I mean _going_) | 17:22 |
| astraljava | scott-work: The meeting's over. | 17:52 |
| astraljava | But really, I'm not sure whether we want to take a risk for A-2 with any further updates. | 17:53 |
| astraljava | Apparently the deadline is 0300 UTC. | 17:53 |
| astraljava | That's not very far away either. | 17:53 |
| charlie-tca | I got a good time to be done with all testing by 1400 UTC | 17:56 |
| astraljava | Oh. | 17:57 |
| astraljava | What did you say about 0300 UTC, then? | 17:57 |
| micahg | I think the 0300 time might be to take an update for a respin | 17:57 |
| astraljava | Or did I misread that? | 17:57 |
| astraljava | Yeah ok. | 17:57 |
| charlie-tca | I was guessing | 17:57 |
| astraljava | New images up, make sure you are not using the outdated ones when you do A-2 testing! | 19:41 |
| astraljava | meh... we still get alsa-tools-gui installed, and it includes envy24control. mudita24 isn't pre-installed for the live session. | 20:12 |
| astraljava | I'll pick it up on my TODO. | 20:12 |
| ailo | jackd2-1.9.8 is in Debian testing but no changes to use of audio group | 20:35 |
| ailo | I expect they will change the group name | 20:35 |
| ailo | for the file /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf | 20:35 |
| ailo | They might even include a post install script for administering group membership | 20:35 |
| ailo | But, I guess that won't happen for this release | 20:35 |
| ailo | So, no changes from before | 20:36 |
| astraljava | Ok, reports for amd64 done. Live session works, installation fails. If someone could do the i386, that'd be great. Remember to report them in the iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/ Thank you! | 21:18 |
| * astraljava goes to bed for a couple of hours | 21:18 | |
| astraljava | Oh, and the Version for test cases is now updated, so it points to the correct images, too. | 21:27 |
| ailo | ?? I was a member of audio group by default after installing Debian | 21:31 |
| ailo | I'll have to investigate if that was by default or not. I didn't do it manually anyway, and I'm not sure if I rebooted after installing jackd | 21:31 |
| ailo | In which case jackd might have done it | 21:32 |
| ailo | Anyway, I'll have a look tomorrow or some other day | 21:32 |
| len | DL new feb 1... old one (before 0100) still had old kernel and network trouble. | 21:36 |
| len | Live looks pretty good. RT is missing, but same in install. Installer didn't crash. | 21:38 |
| len | One thing with the live session I thought I should comment on though... It was said that everything should work on the live session. | 21:38 |
| len | For some apps this doesn't make sense. For example ardour is pretty useless without disk space. | 21:39 |
| len | Even to start an ardour session directories have to be created and as far as I know audio is recorded straight to disk. | 21:41 |
| len | The live session should therefore come with some way of mounting disk space that is obvious to the newby. | 21:42 |
| len | The user should be made aware of these requirements. | 21:42 |
| ailo | len: What you need to do is mount a physical disk and save your session there | 21:44 |
| ailo | It makes no sense to record into RAM | 21:44 |
| ailo | Either one which you have in the machine or an external one | 21:45 |
| len | That is what I am saying | 21:45 |
| len | The idea was presented that everything should work as is on live. | 21:45 |
| ailo | Are you saying you can't mount your harddrive from the live session? | 21:45 |
| len | The user should know that is not really the case for disk intensive apps | 21:46 |
| len | I can mount my hard drive, but does the new user trying things out know that? | 21:46 |
| ailo | Then they don't know much | 21:46 |
| len | From windows world maybe? | 21:47 |
| ailo | I mean, everyone who uses Ardour or eqiuvalent are pretty well aware of where the files end up | 21:47 |
| ailo | The only thing I can think of that would be possible to do is to add a script for the ardour starter, which checks if it is a live session, and if it is, it would sens a notify reminder that the session needs to be saved on a hard drive | 21:49 |
| ailo | Even for windows users, who have been using audio software, the idea of using harddrives, internal or external is pretty well established knowledge | 21:50 |
| len | ailo: then I would say the live session is fine.... once networking works, which I will find out in a few minutes when I get the iso to USB | 21:50 |
| len | I just wanted to list that it was thought of. I won't loose sleep over it though ;-) | 21:52 |
| ailo | I can imagine that even people who are well aware might make a mistake of course | 21:52 |
| len | So long as they figure it out on their own woth out a bug report. | 21:52 |
| ailo | You see the home folder and you don't come to think that it's not really a hard drive | 21:52 |
| len | At least not a very big one... | 21:53 |
| ailo | realtime still doesn't work on the live session right? Or has that changed? | 21:54 |
| ailo | I guess you said that already | 21:54 |
| len | Wasn't last night. I'll find out on this one | 21:54 |
| ailo | len: I was surprised to get realtime with Debian just before | 21:55 |
| ailo | I'll need to see how it happened | 21:55 |
| ailo | I never added myself to audio group | 21:55 |
| len | I wasn't aware we were supposed to fill out qa till the A2 was out. Gotta find it. | 21:56 |
| len | Last nights live/install had the user in audio. | 21:56 |
| ailo | len: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/206/builds | 21:57 |
| scott-work | ailo: len: cjwatson pointed out that ubiquity was having problems with preseeding at the correct time, which may be effecting the jackd package install | 21:57 |
| scott-work | my guess is that if you look at /etc/security/limits.d/ directory you will see the audio.conf.disabled file | 21:57 |
| len | scott-work: yes | 21:58 |
| scott-work | my belief is that jackd install it as .disabled and then sees if it was answered to install -rt privileges then renames the file to audio.conf | 21:58 |
| ailo | Right | 21:58 |
| scott-work | a bug has been filed (thanks astral.java) about ubiquity after discussion with cjwatson | 21:58 |
| len | Ok... off to install land. | 22:02 |
| ailo | scott-work: Confirmed. jackd installs audio.conf.disabled when realtime was not chosen | 22:03 |
| ailo | Debian Wheezy kind of rocks | 22:05 |
| ailo | Fast, and I'm not missing nvidia drivers even | 22:05 |
| ailo | Gnome3 as default now | 22:06 |
| ailo | Not fully implemented, but good enough for usage | 22:06 |
| len-live | ath9k bug 923512 is fixed on todays iso. | 22:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 923512 in linux (Ubuntu) "ath9k wireless stopped working after kernel upgrade to 3.2.0-12" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/923512 | 22:09 |
| len-live | audio:x:29:pulse,ubuntu-studio | 22:11 |
| len-live | ubuntu-studio@ubuntu-studio:~$ ls /etc/security/limits.d/ | 22:12 |
| len-live | audio.conf.disabled | 22:12 |
| len-live | :P | 22:12 |
| len-live | video player is missing files (codecs) but downloads and installs them ok without user interaction beyond oking. | 22:21 |
| len-live | pulsejack still hangs player. Stopping jack lets player play. | 22:25 |
| len-live | Is there a bug for that yet? seems to me I had trouble with the bug tracker when I tried and never got back to it. | 22:26 |
| len-live | installed minitube with synaptic. Success, but even though there is a desktop file in /usr/share/applications, it doesn't show up on the menu. | 23:02 |
| len-live | Runs fine from terminal though. | 23:03 |
| len-live | double click on install ubuntustudio icon. No user feedback that my clicking did what it was supposed to. | 23:05 |
| len-live | no busy mouse pointer, or anything else. When installing from USB stick there is not even some form of visible accessing disk activity | 23:06 |
| len-live | It appeared the installer had failed to start. | 23:09 |
| len-live | Hmmm, the installer seems to have gone to "La-la land" | 23:41 |
| len-live | Says configuring target system, but no target disk activity for 5min or more. | 23:42 |
| falktx__ | I think the installer is broken at this point | 23:44 |
| falktx__ | at least I got that idea from some ubuntu changelogs | 23:44 |
| falktx__ | len-live: have you tried a ubuntu install? (the unity-one) | 23:45 |
| len-live | falkx__: not for a long time, and then it was an alt. | 23:45 |
| len-live | 12.04 around alpha1 | 23:46 |
| len-live | Turned out not too stable. lots of crashes... seems US had the same problem at the time. | 23:46 |
| len-live | I thought maybe the reason the installer stopped was because I switched to a console and back a few times... tailing syslog | 23:47 |
| len-live | I was seeing frame buffer errors | 23:48 |
| len-live | falktx__ Opps spelled it wrong ^^ | 23:48 |
| falktx__ | I always install via the alternate cds, I don't use live-cds for install | 23:49 |
| len-live | falktx__ US no longer has this choice | 23:50 |
| falktx__ | :( | 23:50 |
| ailo | len-live: Have you tried installing right from the menu, before trying it out? | 23:50 |
| len-live | I was going to do that next. | 23:50 |
| ailo | I never tried that. It guess the old installer is not there anymore anyway and it's still handled by ubiquity | 23:51 |
| len-live | yup, | 23:51 |
| len-live | I'm going to go away so I can try the other install. | 23:52 |
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