[00:01] Nope not dhcp, I can set it up static and it says it is connected, but I can't ping anything... like the gateway. [00:03] Anyway, the xubuntu live cd has the same problem with the wireless networking [00:04] Strange. [00:04] I will test it on my laptop, just the live session though. [00:11] len: is it ath9k? [00:55] i'm still waiting for the new studio iso [00:56] Sounds right [00:56] Let me bring it here. [00:56] len: is your wireless driver ath9k? [00:58] micahg: what is the easy way to tell? [00:58] lshw -C network [00:59] micahg: I see ath9k in the syslog [00:59] len: yeah, so the new kernel update broke it, another new kernel was uploaded today to fix the issue [01:01] Ok, should I change the bug report from two days ago to reflect that it uses the ath9k? [01:02] bug 923512 was what was fixed [01:02] Launchpad bug 923512 in linux (Ubuntu) "ath9k wireless stopped working after kernel upgrade to 3.2.0-12" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/923512 [01:08] Ok, I'll mark mine as a duplicate of that then. [01:27] I'm just doing a live install of xubuntu. It is stalled right now because it is trying to download more packages :-P [01:28] However, a quick point for whoever is doing our install slide show. Try to make it not version specific. [01:29] Xubuntu's slide show (maybe 3rd slide in?) shows an Email message saying how good Xubuntu 11.10 is. [01:31] len: They usually are, intentionally. And updated quite late in the cycle, too. [02:10] ScottL: I downloaded and installed xubuntu. (we didn't get anything to install today) [02:11] They don't have /usr/share/xgreeters/default.desktop either. [02:11] But lightdm still works. [02:12] len_: take a look at the postinst and postrm in xubuntu-default-settings [02:14] I see. Yeah, that should be an easy fix. [02:17] All those files will require a heavy face-lifting anyway, as we're not going to use Thunar anymore, IINM. [02:18] Ja, but it is easier to test things if lightdm shows up. [02:18] astraljava, huh? why no thunar? :P [02:18] knome: WASN'T ME!! [02:18] Talk to Scott. [02:18] :< [02:19] I would have no objections to Thunar. In fact, I rather like it. [02:19] so what are you going to use then? nautilus? [02:19] And it's partly why I will continue using Xubuntu on the laptop. [02:19] Yeah. [02:19] ugh [02:19] congrats for selecting a lighter OS then [02:19] ;) [02:20] From the ones currently available, it suits my work flow best. [02:22] we need to stop making the arch-motion with the xubuntu burndown [02:23] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-xubuntu.html - see ? [02:24] Heh. Interesting. [02:25] ScottL: Will you update the us-default-settings files, or should I take it on my TODO list? [02:26] i think i'm off for today [02:26] need to do some work tomorrow... [02:26] :/ [02:26] see you!! [02:26] Later. [02:59] astraljava, i can do it, but i'll probably do it after A2 though :/ [03:03] ScottL: Ahh... yeah. I think we had this discussion already. :) [03:11] There is a new US version... Time to download... [03:27] ooooh, going upstairs then to start downloading as well :) [03:29] i'm downloading 32bit because i suspect others will focus on 64bit [03:30] I have no such animal. So I will do 32 as well. [04:46] Ok, booted todays live dvd. [04:46] Live user is in audio group. [04:46] installed user is too. [04:47] /etc/security/limilts.d/file is still disabled [04:47] lightdm still not working (I think we knew that) [04:48] lightdm background now "surprise pink". [04:48] bug 923512 is still there. I guess the kernel patch didn't make it. [04:48] Launchpad bug 923512 in linux (Ubuntu) "ath9k wireless stopped working after kernel upgrade to 3.2.0-12" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/923512 [05:20] Bug #923582 has been marked as a duplicate of bug 923512 [05:20] Launchpad bug 923512 in linux (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #923582 ath9k wireless stopped working after kernel upgrade to 3.2.0-12" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/923512 [05:20] Launchpad bug 923512 in linux (Ubuntu) "ath9k wireless stopped working after kernel upgrade to 3.2.0-12" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/923512 [05:21] This was fixed earlier today, but I don't know that the new one reached our DVD iso. [05:23] Kernel is still 3.2.0-12 [15:01] Hmm... no one's filled QA results thus far? QA meeting in three hours, I'd appreciate some info, folks. [15:34] astraljava: :/ [15:34] i cant do it til much later [15:34] i plan on having a tech evening though [15:35] holstein: It's fine. I think Scott and Len tested last night, but I wonder why there are no results from those. [15:35] I'm doing an install now, the live session (on amd64) seemed to work ok. [15:43] i like this http://spreadubuntu.org/files/Branded-eternalstudio-wide.png [15:43] its got a little "kid" vibe to it that im not crazy about... but its slick and clean [15:46] i haven't tested yet, i only downloaded the 32 bit image [15:46] i will test tonight however [15:50] Ok. Live session sort of works for amd64. I could play music, for instance, from a HDD. I could run others applications, too, and internet works. I could _not_, however, install applications to the session. [15:50] And the installation fails. [15:51] interesting... [15:51] i have a question: is there another reason that the images may be rebuilt for A2? [15:51] if so, i'll try to get the lightdm fix into the image then [15:51] maybe micahg can answer this? [15:52] is there still the issue with the kernel regression and wireless? [15:52] Something in casper is being fixed, and a respin talked about in #ubuntu-release [15:54] Yeah, but they only limited it to alternates. [15:54] desktop images only. Alternatives don't use casper [15:54] The ath9k issue didn't make it, I assume. [15:55] Ehh... sorry, you're right. [15:56] np [15:56] Erhm... no, skaet explicitly said "looks like we need to rebuild all alternates". [15:56] So maybe not about casper, then. [15:56] these testing days are enough to mess anyone's mind up [15:56] eally? [15:57] I missed that one [15:57] [17:30] < skaet> stgraber, looks like we'll need to rebuild all the alternates (including server), edubuntu dvd, kubuntu dvd - have I missed some? [15:57] 1730 UTC+2 [15:57] scott-work: you can get your image fixed if you like [15:58] how bad is it? [16:00] micahg: I should be able to install packages in live sessions, right? (/me is a n00b when it comes to ubiquity usage) [16:00] sure [16:00] Ok, then it seems I ran into a bug, which I have to report. [16:57] micahg: i am talking about fixing the lightdm issue where it prevents x from starting on the install (i believe) [17:01] astraljava: both geany and gedit installed here. did not run update though [17:01] charlie-tca: Thanks! [17:01] scott-work: They're talking about needs for respins on -release now. Could you please join the discussion? [17:04] astraljava: okay [17:06] although i'm not sure wehre the conversation is about studio :P [17:06] [18:59] < slangasek> cjwatson: the most recent builds I did should already have the ath9k fix landed on any livefses, if I didn't screw it up - so perhaps that means ubuntustudio doesn't care about respinning? [17:07] I told you were half-way wanting to include the lightdm fix, so wasn't sure _when_ we would want it. [17:07] astraljava: is the lightdm something you can do tonight, like now? [17:07] otherwise if we are waiting on me to get home tonight and do this.... [17:08] i'm not sure i want to make everyone wait until tomorrow just for a fix [17:08] I can start working on it as soon as I get all bugs filed on our images for A-2. [17:08] But I'm not sure what are all of the fixes needed for it. Currently there seem to be lots of tweaks for Thunar. I suppose we can drop all of those now, right? [17:09] astraljava: are you comfortable understanding what needs to be done? [17:09] hehe [17:09] i can look at them shortly and see what i _think_ is needed [17:09] That'd be great, thanks! [17:10] QA meeting at the same time with Xubuntu-devel. /me crashes into tiny bits [17:10] i hope that these are changes that were made the xubuntu package recently, otherwise they should have been included already [17:12] * charlie-tca crashes too [17:12] astraljava, charlie-tca: should we move the meeting next week one hour later or earlier? [17:12] later [17:14] I'm fine with whatever. [17:14] i will sort that out - later it is then :) [17:14] Thanks! :) [17:19] astraljava: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/xubuntu-default-settings/precise/view/head:/debian/xubuntu-default-settings.preinst [17:20] the last bit of code is calling the lightdm reconfigure, but the concerning issue is that it is using a "previous version" number to qualify if the reconfigure happens [17:20] oh, wait, i think it's seeing if it's the current version [17:21] scott-work: not now, there's a meeting going on [17:21] :) [17:21] hehe, no problem [17:22] two meetings [17:22] ;) [17:22] sorry to all xubuntu people [17:22] Yup. Two meetings, -testing, -devel and -release channel monitoring. I'm going nuts! [17:22] (yeah I know, what do I mean _going_) [17:52] scott-work: The meeting's over. [17:53] But really, I'm not sure whether we want to take a risk for A-2 with any further updates. [17:53] Apparently the deadline is 0300 UTC. [17:53] That's not very far away either. [17:56] I got a good time to be done with all testing by 1400 UTC [17:57] Oh. [17:57] What did you say about 0300 UTC, then? [17:57] I think the 0300 time might be to take an update for a respin [17:57] Or did I misread that? [17:57] Yeah ok. [17:57] I was guessing [19:41] New images up, make sure you are not using the outdated ones when you do A-2 testing! [20:12] meh... we still get alsa-tools-gui installed, and it includes envy24control. mudita24 isn't pre-installed for the live session. [20:12] I'll pick it up on my TODO. [20:35] jackd2-1.9.8 is in Debian testing but no changes to use of audio group [20:35] I expect they will change the group name [20:35] for the file /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf [20:35] They might even include a post install script for administering group membership [20:35] But, I guess that won't happen for this release [20:36] So, no changes from before [21:18] Ok, reports for amd64 done. Live session works, installation fails. If someone could do the i386, that'd be great. Remember to report them in the iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/ Thank you! [21:18] * astraljava goes to bed for a couple of hours [21:27] Oh, and the Version for test cases is now updated, so it points to the correct images, too. [21:31] ?? I was a member of audio group by default after installing Debian [21:31] I'll have to investigate if that was by default or not. I didn't do it manually anyway, and I'm not sure if I rebooted after installing jackd [21:32] In which case jackd might have done it [21:32] Anyway, I'll have a look tomorrow or some other day [21:36] DL new feb 1... old one (before 0100) still had old kernel and network trouble. [21:38] Live looks pretty good. RT is missing, but same in install. Installer didn't crash. [21:38] One thing with the live session I thought I should comment on though... It was said that everything should work on the live session. [21:39] For some apps this doesn't make sense. For example ardour is pretty useless without disk space. [21:41] Even to start an ardour session directories have to be created and as far as I know audio is recorded straight to disk. [21:42] The live session should therefore come with some way of mounting disk space that is obvious to the newby. [21:42] The user should be made aware of these requirements. [21:44] len: What you need to do is mount a physical disk and save your session there [21:44] It makes no sense to record into RAM [21:45] Either one which you have in the machine or an external one [21:45] That is what I am saying [21:45] The idea was presented that everything should work as is on live. [21:45] Are you saying you can't mount your harddrive from the live session? [21:46] The user should know that is not really the case for disk intensive apps [21:46] I can mount my hard drive, but does the new user trying things out know that? [21:46] Then they don't know much [21:47] From windows world maybe? [21:47] I mean, everyone who uses Ardour or eqiuvalent are pretty well aware of where the files end up [21:49] The only thing I can think of that would be possible to do is to add a script for the ardour starter, which checks if it is a live session, and if it is, it would sens a notify reminder that the session needs to be saved on a hard drive [21:50] Even for windows users, who have been using audio software, the idea of using harddrives, internal or external is pretty well established knowledge [21:50] ailo: then I would say the live session is fine.... once networking works, which I will find out in a few minutes when I get the iso to USB [21:52] I just wanted to list that it was thought of. I won't loose sleep over it though ;-) [21:52] I can imagine that even people who are well aware might make a mistake of course [21:52] So long as they figure it out on their own woth out a bug report. [21:52] You see the home folder and you don't come to think that it's not really a hard drive [21:53] At least not a very big one... [21:54] realtime still doesn't work on the live session right? Or has that changed? [21:54] I guess you said that already [21:54] Wasn't last night. I'll find out on this one [21:55] len: I was surprised to get realtime with Debian just before [21:55] I'll need to see how it happened [21:55] I never added myself to audio group [21:56] I wasn't aware we were supposed to fill out qa till the A2 was out. Gotta find it. [21:56] Last nights live/install had the user in audio. [21:57] len: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/206/builds [21:57] ailo: len: cjwatson pointed out that ubiquity was having problems with preseeding at the correct time, which may be effecting the jackd package install [21:57] my guess is that if you look at /etc/security/limits.d/ directory you will see the audio.conf.disabled file [21:58] scott-work: yes [21:58] my belief is that jackd install it as .disabled and then sees if it was answered to install -rt privileges then renames the file to audio.conf [21:58] Right [21:58] a bug has been filed (thanks astral.java) about ubiquity after discussion with cjwatson [22:02] Ok... off to install land. [22:03] scott-work: Confirmed. jackd installs audio.conf.disabled when realtime was not chosen [22:05] Debian Wheezy kind of rocks [22:05] Fast, and I'm not missing nvidia drivers even [22:06] Gnome3 as default now [22:06] Not fully implemented, but good enough for usage [22:09] ath9k bug 923512 is fixed on todays iso. [22:09] Launchpad bug 923512 in linux (Ubuntu) "ath9k wireless stopped working after kernel upgrade to 3.2.0-12" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/923512 [22:11] audio:x:29:pulse,ubuntu-studio [22:12] ubuntu-studio@ubuntu-studio:~$ ls /etc/security/limits.d/ [22:12] audio.conf.disabled [22:12] :P [22:21] video player is missing files (codecs) but downloads and installs them ok without user interaction beyond oking. [22:25] pulsejack still hangs player. Stopping jack lets player play. [22:26] Is there a bug for that yet? seems to me I had trouble with the bug tracker when I tried and never got back to it. [23:02] installed minitube with synaptic. Success, but even though there is a desktop file in /usr/share/applications, it doesn't show up on the menu. [23:03] Runs fine from terminal though. [23:05] double click on install ubuntustudio icon. No user feedback that my clicking did what it was supposed to. [23:06] no busy mouse pointer, or anything else. When installing from USB stick there is not even some form of visible accessing disk activity [23:09] It appeared the installer had failed to start. [23:41] Hmmm, the installer seems to have gone to "La-la land" [23:42] Says configuring target system, but no target disk activity for 5min or more. [23:44] I think the installer is broken at this point [23:44] at least I got that idea from some ubuntu changelogs [23:45] len-live: have you tried a ubuntu install? (the unity-one) [23:45] falkx__: not for a long time, and then it was an alt. [23:46] 12.04 around alpha1 [23:46] Turned out not too stable. lots of crashes... seems US had the same problem at the time. [23:47] I thought maybe the reason the installer stopped was because I switched to a console and back a few times... tailing syslog [23:48] I was seeing frame buffer errors [23:48] falktx__ Opps spelled it wrong ^^ [23:49] I always install via the alternate cds, I don't use live-cds for install [23:50] falktx__ US no longer has this choice [23:50] :( [23:50] len-live: Have you tried installing right from the menu, before trying it out? [23:50] I was going to do that next. [23:51] I never tried that. It guess the old installer is not there anymore anyway and it's still handled by ubiquity [23:51] yup, [23:52] I'm going to go away so I can try the other install.