[01:23] added the Quick Links to the sidebar of the pages [01:24] micahg, ? [01:24] pleia2, :) [01:24] knome: are we done? :) [01:24] we should add some archive-browsing links in the sidebar [01:25] k [01:25] let me quickly set up a proposal [01:27] knome: ? [01:27] micahg, was wed a good/bad day for you? [01:28] for what? [01:28] meeting [01:28] what time? [01:28] 17utc or earlier [01:28] or 18utc [01:28] umm, not good for me next week, should work this week [01:29] you mean, today? :P [01:29] what about friday this week, about same time [01:29] or nvm. [01:29] let's have a meeting this wed and next wed. [01:29] umm, I'm still on Tuesday ;) [01:29] heh ;) [01:30] pleia2, i think that should do [01:30] knome: looks good! [01:36] knome: we can formally decide we're ready to switch over at the meeting tomorrow [01:36] * pleia2 will sleep on it [01:36] yup [01:41] errr [01:41] d'oh [01:43] okay, the meetings are in the fridge calendar [01:46] pleia2, i fear we're going to have to go through the xubuntu wiki pages too in the future... [01:47] * pleia2 nods [01:47] * knome is thinking of deleting most of them [01:47] ;) [01:47] that's how I've been "handling" the news team wiki pages lately [01:47] yeah [01:47] there's a bit too much stuff in there [01:48] and some of it would do much better in the website [01:49] yeah, the contribute stuff in particular is all strangely scattered between the site and wiki [01:49] yeah [01:49] another thing that has been under discussion much is the strategy document [01:50] there are things i'd like to review, and generally, i think it could do better if it was a tad shorter [01:50] Hey, Len from Ubuntu Studio. Just installed todays iso. Two comments. [01:50] yeah, I'm glad we have one but it needs review periodically to make sure it remains useful and accurate [01:50] keeping it up-to-date is a monstrous job if it's too long [01:50] welcome len_ [01:50] hey len_ [01:51] The slide show has some outdated slides in it [01:51] I'm still getting over this flu, so I'm going to go zone out to some TV for a bit, talk more tomorrow :) [01:51] len_, we're working on that [01:51] pleia2, yup, get well soon :) [01:51] About how 11.10 is the latest and greatest [01:51] pleia2, see you at the meeting at latest! :) [01:51] len_, yes, it's known and it is WIP [01:51] I don't know if there is supposed to be a progress bar on the bottom, [01:52] But I can't see it. [01:52] maybe somebody who does the tests can tell if that exists for other flavors [01:52] Other than that it seems to work well. [01:53] Well in US there is a progress bar at the bottom... when it still worked :-) [01:53] Well even when it doesn't. [01:53] FYI, i'm also working on the new US slideshow [01:53] so if you want that to be visible, i need to investigate that [01:54] It is nice to know things are moving. There is a kernel bug right now that makes me no net. [01:54] err, if US wants that to be visible ;) [01:55] so when xubuntu was trying to download stuff things just stopped but there was no progress bar so I didn't know if it had stopped or was doing something. [01:55] I had to tail the syslog to see what was happening. [01:56] I am using a netbook, BTW [01:56] right, well i know very little of that kind of technical things [01:57] So the bar may be below what I could see. [01:57] len_: Because I very rarely use desktop images, were you able to Alt + F1 like one could on alternate installers, to see what's going on? [01:57] There is no logging on VT4 [01:57] (or any other) [01:58] len_, so did maybe-ubiquity work as expected? is there something that is ubuntu-branded that should really be xubuntu-branded? [01:58] len_: Alt + right-click to move a window by dragging, might work on ubiquity. [01:58] astraljava, you too if you know ^ [01:58] knome: Ehh... WTF is maybe-ubiquity? [01:58] The window was already as high as it could go. [01:59] astraljava, hahah, it's the thing that asks you whether you want to install or try live [01:59] knome: Oh okay. [01:59] Last I saw US didn't have that [01:59] Never heard that name before. [01:59] len_: Oh yes it did. [01:59] i've NEVER *seen* it ;) [01:59] Just the boot screen [01:59] WHA?! [02:00] Xubuntu has it though [02:00] i mean, maybe-ubiquity was added for xubuntu in precise [02:00] The screen which provides you the options to go live, install without trying, and all extra kernel options and the like? [02:00] Oh. [02:00] Strange. [02:01] "enable hidden-timeout splash mode for Xubuntu" [02:01] Well, I may have to have a look. Once the new images are done. [02:01] was the message that fixed this. [02:01] bug #720652 [02:01] Launchpad bug 720652 in Ubuntu CD Images "[Xubuntu] maybe-ubiquity/new greeter support" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/720652 [02:04] Hmm, I also notice that lightdm works on xubuntu without the /usr/share/xgreeters/default.desktop file. [02:06] IIRC, we use lightdm-set-defaults [02:08] Does Scott know? [02:09] How would I check that? [02:09] he most probably does [02:09] asking him is a good choice [02:11] len_: take a look at the postinst and postrm in xubuntu-default-settings [02:13] Ok, I'm posting the questions to Scott as well. [02:15] BOO for taking >2months to review merges :(( [02:16] micahg: thanks for the help. [02:17] knome: who's taking >2 months to review a merge? [02:17] micahg, https://code.launchpad.net/~simon-steinbeiss/unico/fix-resize-grip/+merge/83929 [02:17] it's even trivial [02:18] Those take the most time [02:18] ask cimi? [02:19] not online [02:19] I going to vanish now ... thanks again. [02:19] will poke him soon [02:26] nighty! === yofel_ is now known as yofel [15:36] iim failing to install today's image [15:37] :/ first trying to launch the intaller directly, not going to live, but it goes to live session [15:37] then it doesnt have mouse integration with vbox, wich its a first [15:37] then it doesnt launch the installer from the desktop [15:38] and it doesnt recognizes the vbox network either [15:38] There was an issue with the mouse in vbox yesterday too [15:40] GridCube: trying to launch the installer directly == from the cd menu or from "try Xubuntu" "install Xubuntu" ? [15:40] yes [15:41] i choosed the Install, not the try [15:41] but i will send me to the live, not the pure installer [15:41] okay. The install from desktop is going to need a bug filed [15:42] im making a bug report from outside the installer [15:42] That's okay [15:42] but i cant get logs from the vbox because i dont have network [15:43] today's image still being alpha2? [15:43] yup [15:43] all images until tomorrow when alpha2 releases [15:43] ok [15:44] charlie-tca, should i do a single bug report with all the issues or should i do separated reports for each one? [15:44] separate [15:44] ok [15:45] I will try to reproduce the issue with the desktop installer on hardware. That is a big one, if we can not install from the desktop [15:46] charlie-tca, http://imagebin.org/196727 [15:47] no network connection? [15:47] no [15:47] If it is not connected to the internet, it won't allow the bug to be filed [15:48] That's normal [15:50] GridCube: we think they are going to respin the desktop images again [15:51] ok [15:52] #924931 [15:52] bug 924931 [15:52] Launchpad bug 924931 in Ubuntu "xubuntu precise pangolin alpha2 problems" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/924931 [15:52] mmm i cant report another empty bug [15:52] No point in it [15:53] I will try here on hardware and see what happens, as soon as the test running finishes [15:54] If I read this right, you choose "try xubuntu" and can't install from the desktop, but if you choose "install xubuntu" it goes to the desktop and the installer works? [15:54] no [15:54] neither works [15:55] if you just try to install from the direct install, no live session, it will load the desktop with 2 bug reports [15:55] I will give it a try then. [15:55] 386 or 64bit? [15:55] one being ubiquity failin, and the other being ... [15:55] 32bits [15:56] i get you my old bug reports for past week [15:57] here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/920639 [15:57] Ubuntu bug 920639 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "The "install only" doesnt work on xubuntu Precise Daily" [Undecided,New] [15:58] ok [15:58] i have to go to work now [15:58] see you in a few hours [16:07] helloooo [16:38] xubuntu community meeting in about 20 [16:46] Are you guys able to install apps in a live session of A-2? [16:48] Will try, 386 or 64bit? [16:48] Oh, think it depends on the day of the week, too [16:48] 64-bit [16:48] I tried on last night's, so 20120201 [16:48] I tried a couple of weeks ago, and it failed once and worked once [16:49] charlie-tca: Oh, and this is Studio I'm talking about. Just wondering whether it works for other derivatives. [16:49] Okay, spinning up now [16:49] When I got it to install gedit, it failed trying to run the installer without rebooting [16:50] weird [16:50] As I recall, I ran apt-get update and then the application installs failed, but just running software center without updating worked [16:51] Interesting, I gotta try other front-ends too. [16:51] Waiting for the desktop [16:51] pleia2, you ready to rock? ;) [16:53] astraljava: any app or ? [16:54] charlie-tca: I tried lshw [16:54] But I can try others, if you like. [16:54] already installed in Xubuntu [16:55] Trying to install gedit using software center [16:55] did not run apt-get update [16:55] it's installing [16:55] will try in terminal next [16:59] are we ready to start the meeting? :) [16:59] I thought you were about to rock. [16:59] * knome plugs the guitars [16:59] ;) [17:00] h*ll yeah! [17:00] * pleia2 waves [17:00] #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting [17:00] Meeting started Wed Feb 1 17:00:17 2012 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [17:00] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [17:00] #topic Business carried on [17:00] #subtopic Review the 'default shortcut keys' -blueprint [17:01] since Sysi has been busy with army, we have partly taken care of this with ochosi [17:01] we are most probably going to postpone most xfce-shortcuts until P+1, but there are some application shortcuts we'd like to introduce [17:02] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/DefaultShortcutKeys [17:02] see bottom of the page [17:02] Does anyone besides Unity use Super key shortcuts? [17:03] i don't know. that's one of the controversial things about the xfce-shortcut keys, but i think super would fit well for application shortcuts [17:03] super+T for terminal is so great ;) [17:04] you don't "miss" anything even if you didn't have the super key [17:04] and, the idea is of course to bind the keys to exo-launchers, not the specific apps [17:04] But if you used ctrl or alt, anyone would have them? [17:04] so they will follow the default apps [17:05] charlie-tca, sure, except those keys might have overlapping shortcuts, like alt+f opens the file-menu [17:05] oups :P [17:07] anyway, one more week for feedback [17:07] #info Anyone: give feedback about proposed default shortcuts [17:07] we aren't in hurry with decisions, but i wouldn't want to postpone this over and over again [17:08] #topic Team updates [17:08] #subtopic Packaging and Development [17:08] micahg, mr_pouit [17:08] (and please use #info) [17:10] #info The Shimmer Project themes are about to be moved from murrine-themes to shimmer-themes [17:11] #info mr_pouit fixed some xfce4-power-manager bugs [17:12] #info there's an updated synaptic with some bug fixes from Debian, but it failed to build, I'll fix it after alpha2 [17:12] #info new ristretto with bugfixes syncd [17:13] #info if there are any package version updates people want, Feature Freeze is Feb 16, so ideally we should do it before then [17:13] .. [17:13] thanks micahg :) [17:14] #subtopic Bug Triage, Testing and Documentation [17:14] charlie-tca, Unit193 [17:15] Testing the Alpha2 milestones this week [17:15] Desktop images are being rebuilt now. Alternates may be rebuilt yet [17:15] #info Testing the Alpha2 milestones this week [17:15] Need help getting these tested as they rebuild. The newest ones should be 20120201.1 [17:16] #info Desktop images are being rebuilt now. Alternates may be rebuilt yet [17:16] #info Need help getting these tested as they rebuild. The newest ones should be 20120201.1 [17:16] * astraljava will try to help with that [17:16] .. [17:16] charlie-tca, is there anything you need help from the developer/artwork/etc side? [17:16] .. [17:16] Just synced them tooll {..} [17:17] charlie-tca, also, is maybe-ubiquity ubuntu-branded? (do you need that to be xubuntu-branded) [17:17] We need help getting the tests done. I don't think anything matters much if we don't get them tested [17:17] We don't need anything changed until after alpha2 now. Then, yes, maybe-ubiquity is purple [17:17] yeah, agreed. are you far behind? [17:18] We are at no tests done if everything gets rebuilt [17:18] mmh :/ [17:18] true [17:18] #action knome to look at maybe-ubiquity retheming [17:18] ACTION: knome to look at maybe-ubiquity retheming [17:19] and we have until what, about 3AM UTC to be done [17:20] mmh [17:21] i'm trying to get maybe-ubiquity rethemed before FF, can't promise more [17:21] so before that, no need to worry about that [17:21] mr_pouit: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/xubuntu-default-settings/precise/view/head:/debian/xubuntu-default-settings.preinst [17:21] mr_pouit: shoudl the last section see if "12.04" is the equivalent release? [17:21] #subtopic Marketing, Artwork and Website [17:21] pleia2! :) [17:21] oh goodie :) [17:22] so, big news on the website front! [17:22] use #info please ;) [17:22] #info knome and I have finished up the edits required to go live with the new wordpress website [17:22] #info there are some content edits we may want, but I don't want to wait on those because there will probably always be content edits [17:23] so it's time to decide, want to go live with wp.xubuntu.org replacement for the old drupal xubuntu.org? :) [17:23] not sure if we should discuss, vote, or what [17:23] #info some content edits todo: developertools/, press/, about/ [17:23] if anybody has objections, please let them out now [17:24] if there is no objections, we will let the IS move the site to production [17:24] Is it really a question, since we have not been updating the current site awaiting the new one? [17:24] charlie-tca: I've kept up with important edits on both sites [17:24] not really, except if there is some clear shortcomings on the new site [17:24] or bugs that need fixed [17:25] (bug fixes have gone to both, for instance) [17:25] but there should be none, unless we've both missed them [17:25] But we have been waiting a year or so to get the new site up? [17:25] yes, and now we're finally pretty much bugfree and ready ;) [17:25] we've been working on it for over 8 months, yeah [17:25] i'm all for pushing it to production [17:26] +1 [17:26] #action pleia2 to create a ticket in RT for releasing the new website! [17:26] ACTION: pleia2 to create a ticket in RT for releasing the new website! [17:26] great :) [17:26] pleia2, if you have time after the meeting, we could go through some issues with the site [17:26] (content) [17:27] maybe [17:27] ok :) [17:27] are we doing an alpha2? [17:27] Doesn't that depend on getting it tested? [17:27] if so, we need at least some very basic release text for the site [17:28] i can help working on that text [17:28] We do not have time to run upgrade tests and all the mandatory tests required, since it will be an hour minimum before we have the images now [17:28] and a2 is tomorrow [17:29] hmm. what do you think? [17:30] what was it why we had the respin? [17:30] Must be done by 1400 UTC 2 feb [17:30] we can continue this discussion later, I was just bringing it up from site/marketing side since I'd need text if we are releasing [17:30] pleia2, you free to work on the text as well? [17:32] ok [17:32] I mean yeah [17:32] #action knome and pleia2 to prepare writing an alpha2 release announcement with others if needed [17:32] ACTION: knome and pleia2 to prepare writing an alpha2 release announcement with others if needed [17:32] so, artwork [17:32] o/ [17:32] charlie-tca, m? [17:33] for the release notes... Installing from the cd menu is failing, however, allowing the cd to spin until it stops at "try Xubuntu" "Install Xubuntu" lets it work [17:33] for the desktop images [17:33] .. [17:33] thanks charlie-tca [17:33] thanks :) [17:34] #info there is a wallpaper draft at http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_wall/wall-draft9.png [17:34] #info any feedback is welcome in the following week [17:35] #info if everything seems fine, we'll formally decide about using the wallpaper in the meeting next week [17:36] #subtopic General updates [17:36] any general updates? [17:38] ok, none [17:38] #topic Announcements [17:38] #info Xubuntu LTS proposal for 3-year LTS releases is accepted. [17:38] #topic Other business [17:38] #subtopic Open action items from previous meeting [17:39] #action GridCube to gather a list of problems with QA tracker [17:39] ACTION: GridCube to gather a list of problems with QA tracker [17:39] is there any, since there hasn't been an update? [17:39] #info This action item will be removed in the next meeting if no issues are raised. [17:41] #info knome to keep investigating possibilities of getting Ubiquity "application sets" included is done - astraljava is working on it [17:41] #action micahg or mr_pouit to confirm xfce package versions in precise [17:41] ACTION: micahg or mr_pouit to confirm xfce package versions in precise [17:41] i suppose we know this soon... [17:41] #action micahg to look at the thunderbird button issue [17:41] ACTION: micahg to look at the thunderbird button issue [17:42] #action ochosi to investigate some cherry-picking from xfce upstream to ubuntu [17:42] ACTION: ochosi to investigate some cherry-picking from xfce upstream to ubuntu [17:42] carried [17:42] I don't think we have a choice but to use 4.8.x [17:43] ...aaaand the website stuff is sorted out :) [17:43] micahg, i suppose ochosi wanted to know some specific lib versions, but he can follow-up with you on that [17:43] any other business we'd like to raise? [17:44] err, right [17:45] #info Meeting next week is postponed to 18UTC. [17:45] #action knome to inform the devel ML about the changes [17:45] ACTION: knome to inform the devel ML about the changes [17:45] -s :P [17:45] #nedmeeting [17:45] #endmeeting [17:45] Meeting ended Wed Feb 1 17:45:29 2012 UTC. [17:45] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2012/xubuntu-devel.2012-02-01-17.00.moin.txt [17:45] #nedflanders [17:45] thanks [17:45] :) [17:45] Thanks for chairing, knome [17:45] :) [17:45] thanks for attending [17:45] madnick, heh, hey [17:45] Now he shows u[ [17:45] i was here all along lol [17:46] * knome will update the minutes [17:46] I made a comment, or two [17:46] Hey! I was here, too. Put that up there, as well! [17:46] :P [17:46] astraljava, you contributed two lines [17:47] Oh. [17:47] dang [17:47] Unit193 (1) [17:48] Well, going to resync the images soon enough it seems [17:54] meeting minutes are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [17:56] ticket submitted :) #19245 [17:57] yup! great [17:57] pleia2, so, http://wp.xubuntu.org/press/ [17:57] pleia2, you okay with changing that to have subpages, like http://wp.xubuntu.org/press/11.10/ ? [17:58] aaand meeting notes tweeted [17:58] knome: oh yeah, that's fine [17:58] (i can do that, just wanted to check with you) [17:58] okay great [17:58] http://wp.xubuntu.org/developertools/ still needs reviewing/feedback [17:58] haven't had much time to think about it [17:58] * pleia2 nods [17:59] I need to run downstairs for some breakfast, brb [17:59] and what about http://wp.xubuntu.org/about/ ? should we take some time in the near future to review the draft by beardygnome [18:12] it'll need to be expanded upon a lot, there is only a very basic draft before the proposal about comparing to proprietary OSes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Website/Drafts [18:13] hello charlie-tca [18:13] so you can not install xubuntu in any other language than english then? [18:14] No, when the cd stops, you can pick a language, then pick whether to try or install [18:15] You just don't go to the cd menu anymore [18:15] oh... ok [18:15] will try it again then [18:16] When you pick a language on that screen it stops at, the installer changes to the language picked [18:16] i dont understand [18:18] Let it go until it stops, then pick the language on the left side. That should change the installer language [18:18] it just boots into the live cd [18:19] there are no options if i dont press any key on the cd [18:19] there is this keyboard icon next to an accessibilty logo, then waits then boots the live session [18:20] pleia2, press/ done :) [18:20] don't hit any keys on that screen. It should stop in a minute, with languages on the left, and two choices, try or install [18:21] knome: much better! [18:21] yeah [18:22] charlie-tca: nope, it goes to a >Xubuntu 12.04 [· · · ·] and stays like that for a long, long time [18:23] and now it got to live session [18:24] it should stop. it does go to Xubuntu 12.04... for a while, yes. but it should have stopped [18:26] ooooo D: [18:27] 10 minutes to get the same as the thing you got in 5seconds of booting before [18:27] this is progress! [18:28] yup [18:28] if it doesn't stop before the live desktop, that is a bug in VBox [18:28] ok i got to the selection thing now, it did not happen last week [18:29] but its really slow [18:31] GridCube: might have to increase the video memory or ram [18:32] I been running hardware tests here. My VBox machines use 64MB video and 500mb ram [18:34] alternate images are up, still waiting for new desktop images [18:36] im zsyncking alternate now, but its slow, the old desktop images do not have network on vbox [18:36] charlie-tca: i gave this box almost 1gb of ram [18:38] should be working then [18:40] oh, but i have only 12mb of video ram :P [18:41] That's the slowdown then :( [18:42]