| claydoh | if i get this job at harbor freight tools, I will be using KDE there :D | 01:03 |
|---|---|---|
| claydoh | their cash register/inventory system use red hat and KDE3 lol | 01:04 |
| Riddell | nice, if due for an upgrade :) | 01:05 |
| claydoh | lol | 01:05 |
| claydoh | they have 300+ locations all using it iirc | 01:06 |
| Riddell | sounds like a case of it works so no need to upgrade | 01:07 |
| Riddell | which is fine if liable to bit-rot | 01:07 |
| claydoh | yup, it is a place for cheap tools | 01:08 |
| Riddell | got any good sandpaper for use on epoxy resin? | 01:08 |
| claydoh | probably | 01:08 |
| claydoh | i assume waterproof paper | 01:10 |
| claydoh | or aluminum oxide for finish work | 01:11 |
| claydoh | but am no expert yet | 01:11 |
| Riddell | anything to add? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview#Kubuntu | 01:27 |
| Darkwing | Riddell: anything else we add? we aren'tlaunching litedm are we? | 02:14 |
| Darkwing | Wow... I had to crash akonadi to get it to send mail via KMail in 4.8 | 02:29 |
| * Tm_T lits a fag and ponders a moment over https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdegames/+bug/925002/comments/4 | 06:10 | |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 925002 in kdegames (Ubuntu) "Code of Conduct Violation in Kubuntu Package kpat" [High,Won't fix] | 06:10 |
| Tm_T | ...or something | 06:11 |
| micahg | hehe | 06:13 |
| amichair | afiestas: if there's any info I can provide to help with solving this bug, let me know | 07:57 |
| Riddell | Darkwing: "we aren'tlaunching litedm are we" pardon? | 09:21 |
| agateau | Riddell: I guess Darkwing means lightdm? | 09:26 |
| Riddell | oh maybe | 09:26 |
| afiestas | amichair_: open "kdebugdialog" seelct everything with the word "kded" on it | 09:42 |
| afiestas | then go to a terminal and execute kquitapp kded4; sleep 5; kded4 --nofork | 09:42 |
| afiestas | then try to reproduce the bug and paste the output somewhere | 09:43 |
| apachelogger | lightdm? | 10:02 |
| apachelogger | :O | 10:02 |
| apachelogger | afiestas: btw, u still working on xrandr fixes? | 10:03 |
| apachelogger | since 4.8 it seems utterly broken for markey again | 10:03 |
| afiestas | apachelogger: well utterly broken is not something I can fix | 10:09 |
| afiestas | no commit has been done since my fixes so.. | 10:09 |
| apachelogger | yeah, I wasn't implying you broke it :) | 10:11 |
| apachelogger | just wondering whether you still have it on your todo | 10:11 |
| afiestas | if you gimme a bug I can reproduce, I will fix it :p | 10:12 |
| apachelogger | markey: give the master a bug | 10:14 |
| apachelogger | yofel_, debfx: do I read the code wrong or did they remove the .gtkrc support completely? | 10:23 |
| apachelogger | well | 10:23 |
| apachelogger | deprecate it anyway | 10:23 |
| yofel_ | they did | 10:29 |
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| yofel | that's why we're looking at xsettings in the first place | 10:29 |
| apachelogger | well | 10:30 |
| apachelogger | the Qt approach is still an option | 10:30 |
| apachelogger | though I can't quite figure out where it spits out the default theme | 10:30 |
| * apachelogger should do phonon stuff anyway | 10:31 | |
| Tm_T | apachelogger: afiestas: this? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=183143 | 10:32 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 183143 in kcm_randr "Display Settings are Lost on Logout" [Normal,Reopened] | 10:32 |
| apachelogger | yes | 10:32 |
| apachelogger | I think | 10:32 |
| apachelogger | something along those lines anyway | 10:32 |
| Tm_T | I have that problem | 10:32 |
| apachelogger | the entire thing really needs redoing | 10:32 |
| Tm_T | the krandr settings are not read on login | 10:32 |
| apachelogger | well | 10:32 |
| apachelogger | the silly thing is | 10:32 |
| apachelogger | they are not even with krandrtray in autostart | 10:32 |
| apachelogger | which apparently worked before | 10:33 |
| Tm_T | awww | 10:33 |
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| === auditor is now known as conntrack | ||
| afiestas | apachelogger: that's what I'm doing (redoing it) | 10:37 |
| afiestas | apachelogger: are you comming to fosdem? | 10:38 |
| apachelogger | no | 10:39 |
| apachelogger | bambee_ is | 10:39 |
| apachelogger | he is my proxy | 10:39 |
| apachelogger | which prevents liver failure on my side :P | 10:39 |
| schnelle_ | guys i am running newest muon from qapt ppa in oneiric | 11:13 |
| schnelle_ | and muon updater offers upgrade !? | 11:13 |
| schnelle_ | http://www.dodaj.rs/f/1T/pt/40ZkO4Fo/snapshot4.png | 11:13 |
| schnelle_ | but "show new distribution releases" is set to "never": http://www.dodaj.rs/f/2t/1c/47yhDVjM/snapshot5.png | 11:14 |
| schnelle_ | anyone seeing this? | 11:14 |
| Riddell | schnelle_: file a bug or talk to jonathan thomas, he's not on the channel just now | 11:14 |
| schnelle_ | ok | 11:15 |
| amichair | afiestas: kquitapp(27042): "Application kded4 could not be found using service org.kde.kded4 and path /MainApplication." | 12:36 |
| shadeslayer | 0.o | 12:36 |
| amichair | (ps shows one 'kdeinit4: kded4 [kdeinit]') | 12:37 |
| shadeslayer | Heh, I can't get my notebook up and running after making it sleep | 12:38 |
| apachelogger | amichair: kded4 register as kded | 12:48 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: get proper hardware then | 12:49 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: atleast the Display Port works properly now :P | 12:49 |
| shadeslayer | can connect to Projectors and TV's just fine .... | 12:49 |
| apachelogger | watching prn with pornon on pornjector? | 12:50 |
| shadeslayer | yup | 12:53 |
| shadeslayer | Did I mention Dragon makes X crash and VLC crashes when I try to play a video? | 12:54 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: ^ Any insights? | 12:54 |
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| amichair | afiestas: http://pastebin.com/yaFdQxQf (annotated with my comments) | 13:01 |
| amichair | afiestas: note that another display bug is mentioned other than no sleep - what can I do, it happened while I was running this little test :-) | 13:02 |
| BluesKaj | morning folks | 13:05 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: get proper hardware then | 13:11 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: make proper software for my hardware | 13:11 |
| BluesKaj | now now | 13:15 |
| shadeslayer | poor buildd's | 13:40 |
| shadeslayer | "amd643 9541 jobs (13 days)" | 13:40 |
| shadeslayer | "i3865 17762 jobs (13 days)" | 13:40 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: btw lilstevie says that it is possible to get native Ubuntu running on the transformer, it's just that he was busy last month | 13:42 |
| Quintasan | native? | 13:43 |
| shadeslayer | yeah | 13:43 |
| Quintasan | so what the hell I have been installing up until now? | 13:43 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: as in, not a chroot | 13:43 |
| shadeslayer | I can't even get chroot :/ | 13:44 |
| Quintasan | shadeslayer: OLiFE was doing a chroot? | 13:44 |
| shadeslayer | I don't know | 13:44 |
| * shadeslayer looks | 13:44 | |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: do you reboot in order to get Ubuntu? | 13:44 |
| Quintasan | shadeslayer: I do, and I did hold pwr down to get into it | 13:44 |
| afiestas | amichair_: mmm is "normal" that it does not go to suspend if an external monitor is connected | 13:44 |
| Quintasan | I was using dualboot | 13:44 |
| afiestas | oh wait, re-reading it again | 13:45 |
| shadeslayer | It's native then | 13:45 |
| afiestas | amichair_: I see, it is detected HDMI1 as active and that may be why the desktop is not resized either | 13:46 |
| afiestas | can you give me the output of xrandr, and tell me your GPU ? | 13:46 |
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| amichair | afiestas: http://pastebin.com/rrimjDPV | 14:10 |
| afiestas | amichair_: now do this | 14:19 |
| afiestas | xrandr --output eDP1 --off; This will disconnect the eDP output | 14:19 |
| afiestas | (do that while getting the kded output) | 14:20 |
| afiestas | and once it is removed, tell me if the desktop has been resized this time, and then close the lid | 14:20 |
| * Riddell reports bug 925490 | 14:23 | |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 925490 in muon (Ubuntu) "codec install does enable you to play mp3" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/925490 | 14:23 |
| amichair | afiestas: this will disable the laptop monitor, not the external one, yes? | 14:26 |
| afiestas | amichair_: yes | 14:26 |
| afiestas | in that case the inhibition will be correct, later we will test the other way around, disabling the HDMI | 14:27 |
| afiestas | important to do everything via command line to be sure that krandr is not playing with us | 14:27 |
| amichair | afiestas: ok, did it: http://pastebin.com/8X5SMFCL | 14:28 |
| amichair | afiestas: how do I re-enable edp1? | 14:29 |
| afiestas | ooks, good news is taht this time the "active monitor" list is correct | 14:29 |
| afiestas | xrandr --output eDP1 --auto --output HDMI1 --off | 14:29 |
| afiestas | this will turn off the HDMI and turn on the eDP1 | 14:29 |
| amichair | afiestas: http://pastebin.com/qKFxMG5E | 14:32 |
| afiestas | now it worked, right? | 14:33 |
| afiestas | kded(29956) PowerDevil::Action::trigger: Unsatisfied policies, the action has been aborted | 14:33 |
| afiestas | oh shit | 14:33 |
| amichair | afiestas: the display resizing yes, the sleep no | 14:33 |
| afiestas | you are running 4.8.0 I suppose | 14:33 |
| amichair | afiestas: btw, right after a fresh reboot the sleep does seem to work, and also now if I press the sleep (fn+f1) shortcut or select it from shutdown menu. It doesn't work when closing the lid, after I've been using it for a while, or sleeping/resuming, or using HDMI - not quite sure what causes it to start failing | 14:34 |
| amichair | afiestas: unrelated, another annoying bug is that once I reconnect HDMI (like right now), while both monitors work, it doesn't remember the configuration - I'm getting a clone right now, even though before the xrander stuff I had an extended desktop configuration (with HDMI being the primary) | 14:36 |
| afiestas | it will only remember one configuration and not sure if it is working | 14:36 |
| amichair | every time I plug in or resume HDMI, I have to go into the display settings and re-configure the setup :-/ | 14:36 |
| afiestas | I'm in the process of redoing all this because the current thing is... well let's say it is old | 14:36 |
| amichair | it would be great if it remembered the configuration per list of currently connected devices | 14:37 |
| afiestas | it does | 14:37 |
| afiestas | (yes in pressent, the current code I have around here it does that :p) | 14:37 |
| amichair | in that case, it would be great if it did something with that knowledge ;-) | 14:37 |
| afiestas | I hope to have it finished in a few months :p | 14:37 |
| amichair | afiestas: cool! looking forward to it :-) | 14:37 |
| afiestas | going back to the inhibition thing | 14:38 |
| BluesKaj | BBL | 14:39 |
| afiestas | enable HDMI1 and eDP1, then restart kded | 14:39 |
| afiestas | I'm going to need all kded output if possible, especially if lines like | 14:39 |
| afiestas | "Inhibing: " or "Inhibing: " appear | 14:40 |
| afiestas | once restarted close the lid, in theory it should not suspend | 14:40 |
| afiestas | then WITHOUT restarting kded, disable the laptop screen by executing | 14:40 |
| afiestas | xrandr --output eDP1 --off | 14:41 |
| afiestas | close the lid again, and in theory it should NOT suspend | 14:41 |
| amichair | it does: say Inhibing, which sounds close enough to inhibiting :-) http://pastebin.com/p8TFNCnT | 14:41 |
| afiestas | finally, execute xrandr --output eDP1 --auto --output HDMI1 --off | 14:42 |
| afiestas | wait 1 second or 2, close the lid and it should suspend | 14:42 |
| amichair | so repeating the same excercise as before basically? | 14:42 |
| afiestas | I guess, but this time with the entire log so I can see why it is not stopping | 14:43 |
| amichair | afiestas: here's the whole annotated session: http://pastebin.com/CPbPTv7C | 14:49 |
| amichair | (sleep didn't work at any point) | 14:49 |
| afiestas | amichair_: awesome ! | 14:50 |
| afiestas | can you test a patch? | 14:50 |
| amichair | afiestas: how hard/dangerous/reversible is it? | 14:51 |
| afiestas | it is not dangerous at all, 100% reversible I promess won't kill any kitty | 14:51 |
| amichair | ok, let's give it a shot | 14:52 |
| afiestas | amichair: give me 10 min to re-read the entire bug report to be sure that what I'm going to do fix it once for all | 14:55 |
| amichair | no problem! | 14:55 |
| afiestas | amichair: http://www.afiestas.org/picopatch.patch | 15:02 |
| amichair | afiestas: what do I need to checkout, dependencies to install, and how to build it? | 15:05 |
| afiestas | maybe will be quicker if some kubuntu packager fellow can do magic and create a package? | 15:06 |
| afiestas | Riddell: apachelogger bambee_ etc ? :p | 15:06 |
| amichair | magic would be nice, yes | 15:06 |
| Riddell | afiestas: what? | 15:06 |
| afiestas | anywya, going to commit the change, is a fix for sure | 15:07 |
| afiestas | Riddell: package a kde-workspace package with a fix I just made so amichair chan test | 15:07 |
| Riddell | I don't have time today but it's easy enough for someone familiar with packaging | 15:07 |
| debfx | is there something kvkbd can do that the keyboard plasma widget can't? | 15:14 |
| debfx | otherwise we could unseed it | 15:15 |
| Riddell | I don't know, need someone familiar with accessibility to say | 15:15 |
| Riddell | you could well be right | 15:15 |
| debfx | oh, the layout is very broken when added to a vertical panel :/ | 15:17 |
| Riddell | of kvkbd? | 15:18 |
| debfx | no, the plasma widget | 15:19 |
| afiestas | debfx: do you have time for packaging kde-workspace with an extra patch so amichair can do some testing ? | 15:20 |
| debfx | afiestas: not today | 15:22 |
| amichair | do u guys have a nightly build? if so I can test it tomorrow | 15:22 |
| amichair | I'd try and build it myself, but I'm lacking a build environment and time | 15:23 |
| Riddell | amichair: project neon for nightly builds of KDE | 15:33 |
| Riddell | http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Using_Project_Neon_to_contribute_to_KDE | 15:33 |
| Riddell | apachelogger, yofel: what's the state of project neon, got it running for my fosdem demo, looking great, it's 4.8 branch right? | 15:35 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: is there any easy way I can get telepathy-kde running to demo at fosdem? | 15:43 |
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| yofel | Riddell: no, it's master (~4.9), and lacking a little maintainence lately but should still work | 16:26 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: there's a scripted setup | 16:26 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: so if you use the script + neon, it should work | 16:26 |
| * afiestas just requested sponsorshp | 16:29 | |
| afiestas | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule | 16:30 |
| afiestas | if I read everything correctly, we can upload new packages until February 16th, right? | 16:30 |
| yofel | right, after that you'll need to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess if you still need to get something in | 16:33 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: http://community.kde.org/Real-Time_Communication_and_Collaboration/Getting_Set_Up/Scripted | 16:35 |
| Riddell | thanks yofel, shadeslayer | 16:37 |
| Riddell | afiestas: yes | 16:37 |
| afiestas | Riddell: new minor releases will be allowed? | 16:41 |
| Riddell | afiestas: no new features without approval | 16:43 |
| Riddell | so point releases are usually ok | 16:44 |
| afiestas | oks | 16:44 |
| Adri2000 | hi | 16:45 |
| Adri2000 | is there any intent to update digikam to 2.5.0 and/or sync it with debian (experimental) before FF? | 16:45 |
| Riddell | Adri2000: yes that would be nice | 16:46 |
| Adri2000 | (I'm asking because I'd like to get opencv updated, and the digikam 2.4.0 in ubuntu FTBFS with the new opencv, while the digikam 2.5.0 in debian doesn't :)) | 16:47 |
| Riddell | go for it | 16:48 |
| Adri2000 | will talk with debfx first, because the number of ubuntu changes according to changelog scares me :p | 16:51 |
| yofel | it shouldn't be that much. It's just that we never got to merge it with debian since 2.0 came out so you can't really see what the actuall diff is | 16:58 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: btw in that script, make sure you run neon-env first and then the script | 17:06 |
| Riddell | oh | 17:07 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: where do I get that? | 17:08 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: you'll get it when you install Project Neon ;) | 17:08 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: I have it installed | 17:08 |
| shadeslayer | ah, then just type : neon-env in the console | 17:09 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: nothing | 17:09 |
| shadeslayer | 0.o | 17:09 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: did you install project-neon-utils? | 17:10 |
| Riddell | no | 17:11 |
| Riddell | trying.. | 17:12 |
| Riddell | something compiling.. | 17:12 |
| shadeslayer | lol wot? | 17:13 |
| shadeslayer | that's probably kbuildsycoca4 running :P | 17:14 |
| Riddell | the build script is compiling bits | 17:15 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: compiled and installed I think, now what? | 17:17 |
| shadeslayer | ah | 17:20 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: in krunner type "telepathy" and it should pop up | 17:21 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: oh, you wouldn't have any accounts configured as well, so you'll have to go to systemsettings first | 17:21 |
| shadeslayer | or : kcmshell4 kcm_telepathy_accounts | 17:22 |
| * shadeslayer ponders if Riddell has telepathy-gabble installed | 17:22 | |
| Riddell | http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/telepathy.png | 17:24 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 17:25 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: I like your wallpaper | 17:25 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 17:25 |
| Riddell | "Could not find module 'kcm_telepathy_accounts'. See kcmshell4 --list for the full list of modules. | 17:25 |
| shadeslayer | anyway, mission control isn't running | 17:26 |
| Riddell | this is seeming too much like hard work for me | 17:26 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: yeah, initial setup is a bit of a hassle | 17:26 |
| shadeslayer | the backend doesn't start automagically | 17:26 |
| Riddell | oh well, too much energy | 17:26 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: do you have telepathy-mission-control-5 installed? | 17:27 |
| Riddell | no | 17:28 |
| Riddell | will that fix it? | 17:28 |
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| shadeslayer | Riddell: okay, install telepathy-mission-control-5 , telepathy-gabble and telepathy-salut | 17:29 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: then it'll work? | 17:30 |
| shadeslayer | and after that, you need to either log out/log in again or run : /usr/lib/telepathy/mission-control-5 | 17:30 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: yes | 17:30 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: like I said, the backend doesn't autostart on install | 17:30 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: progress | 17:32 |
| Riddell | but I can't connect to google talk | 17:32 |
| shadeslayer | Oh, what's the problem? | 17:32 |
| Riddell | "there was a problem while trying to connect - some of the IM components are not working correctly" | 17:33 |
| shadeslayer | telepathy-gabble is supposed to take care of issues | 17:33 |
| Riddell | telepathy-gabble is installed | 17:33 |
| shadeslayer | uhh hmm ... | 17:33 |
| shadeslayer | Lemme ask, one sec | 17:34 |
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| Darkwing | hmmm, I kinda like the feel of the new default wallpaper | 17:39 |
| shadeslayer | Darkwing: yeah same here | 17:39 |
| shadeslayer | It's .... frsh | 17:39 |
| shadeslayer | *fresh | 17:39 |
| yofel | horos was too distracting compared with air | 17:39 |
| yofel | err... *paired with air | 17:39 |
| Darkwing | its plain but, artistically solid | 17:40 |
| Darkwing | 4.8 ingeneral has a better user feel. | 17:40 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: hmm ... you need to copy /opt/project-neon/share/dbus-1/services/org.freedesktop.Telepathy.Client.* to /usr/share/dbus-1/services/ I believe | 17:43 |
| shadeslayer | That should be the last thing you need to do | 17:44 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: same thing | 17:44 |
| shadeslayer | :S | 17:45 |
| shadeslayer | Log out and login again | 17:45 |
| shadeslayer | stupid DBus is stupid | 17:45 |
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| Riddell | shadeslayer: same thing | 17:46 |
| shadeslayer | ... | 17:46 |
| shadeslayer | I don't know then :( | 17:46 |
| BluesKaj | ssh sure is slow to load remote files on kde 4.8 | 17:47 |
| Riddell | thanks shadeslayer | 17:53 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: did it work? Or will you wait for the packages? :D | 17:53 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: no | 18:02 |
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| cnd | hmm | 18:44 |
| cnd | oops | 18:44 |
| Riddell | nice e-mail of the day http://paste.kde.org/198764/ | 18:52 |
| Riddell | well negative at the end but otherwise nice | 18:52 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: I think he means that he switched to Kubuntu :P | 18:53 |
| BarkingFish | i don't see that as negative at all, Riddell :) | 18:53 |
| yofel | he isn't the first one :D | 18:54 |
| BarkingFish | Far from it. He's taken ubuntu off and switched to the Big Blue K :) And that can't be bad. | 18:54 |
| Riddell | I'm away for a few hours, please watch for alpha 2 announce and put on the website when you see it | 19:04 |
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| afiestas | mm I was thinking on rushing on qrandr development so it can be at precise but since it is a LTS... I better do something else | 20:23 |
| afiestas | so, waht can I do to help kubuntu? which bug do you want me to try to fix? | 20:23 |
| skaet | Riddell, (or delegate) - images are up on site, and announce has been mailed. You can make your page live now. | 20:28 |
| Riddell | http://www.kubuntu.org/news/precise-alpha | 23:48 |
| === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Computing | http://www.kubuntu.org/news/precise-alpha | http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-kubuntu.html TODOs! | ||
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