claydohif i get this job at harbor freight tools, I will be using KDE there :D01:03
claydohtheir cash register/inventory system use red hat and KDE3 lol01:04
Riddellnice, if due for an upgrade :)01:05
claydohthey have 300+ locations all using it iirc01:06
Riddellsounds like a case of it works so no need to upgrade01:07
Riddellwhich is fine if liable to bit-rot01:07
claydohyup, it is a place for cheap tools01:08
Riddellgot any good sandpaper for use on epoxy resin?01:08
claydohi assume waterproof paper 01:10
claydohor aluminum oxide for finish work 01:11
claydohbut am no expert yet01:11
Riddellanything to add? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview#Kubuntu01:27
DarkwingRiddell: anything else we add? we aren'tlaunching litedm are we? 02:14
DarkwingWow... I had to crash akonadi to get it to send mail via KMail in 4.802:29
* Tm_T lits a fag and ponders a moment over https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdegames/+bug/925002/comments/406:10
ubottuUbuntu bug 925002 in kdegames (Ubuntu) "Code of Conduct Violation in Kubuntu Package kpat" [High,Won't fix]06:10
Tm_T...or something06:11
amichairafiestas: if there's any info I can provide to help with solving this bug, let me know07:57
RiddellDarkwing: "we aren'tlaunching litedm are we" pardon?09:21
agateauRiddell: I guess Darkwing means lightdm?09:26
Riddelloh maybe09:26
afiestasamichair_: open "kdebugdialog" seelct everything with the word "kded" on it 09:42
afiestasthen go to a terminal and execute kquitapp kded4; sleep 5; kded4 --nofork09:42
afiestasthen try to reproduce the bug and paste the output somewhere09:43
apacheloggerafiestas: btw, u still working on xrandr fixes?10:03
apacheloggersince 4.8 it seems utterly broken for markey again10:03
afiestasapachelogger: well utterly broken is not something I can fix 10:09
afiestasno commit has been done since my fixes so..10:09
apacheloggeryeah, I wasn't implying you broke it :)10:11
apacheloggerjust wondering whether you still have it on your todo10:11
afiestasif you gimme a bug I can reproduce, I will fix it :p10:12
apacheloggermarkey: give the master a bug 10:14
apacheloggeryofel_, debfx: do I read the code wrong or did they remove the .gtkrc support completely?10:23
apacheloggerdeprecate it anyway10:23
yofel_they did10:29
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yofelthat's why we're looking at xsettings in the first place10:29
apacheloggerthe Qt approach is still an option10:30
apacheloggerthough I can't quite figure out where it spits out the default theme10:30
* apachelogger should do phonon stuff anyway10:31
Tm_Tapachelogger: afiestas: this? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18314310:32
ubottuKDE bug 183143 in kcm_randr "Display Settings are Lost on Logout" [Normal,Reopened]10:32
apacheloggerI think10:32
apacheloggersomething along those lines anyway10:32
Tm_TI have that problem10:32
apacheloggerthe entire thing really needs redoing10:32
Tm_Tthe krandr settings are not read on login10:32
apacheloggerthe silly thing is10:32
apacheloggerthey are not even with krandrtray in autostart10:32
apacheloggerwhich apparently worked before10:33
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afiestasapachelogger: that's what I'm doing (redoing it)10:37
afiestasapachelogger: are you comming to fosdem?10:38
apacheloggerbambee_ is10:39
apacheloggerhe is my proxy10:39
apacheloggerwhich prevents liver failure on my side :P10:39
schnelle_guys i am running newest muon from qapt ppa in oneiric 11:13
schnelle_and muon updater offers upgrade !?11:13
schnelle_but "show new distribution releases" is set to "never": http://www.dodaj.rs/f/2t/1c/47yhDVjM/snapshot5.png11:14
schnelle_anyone seeing this?11:14
Riddellschnelle_: file a bug or talk to jonathan thomas, he's not on the channel just now11:14
amichairafiestas: kquitapp(27042): "Application kded4 could not be found using service org.kde.kded4 and path /MainApplication."12:36
amichair(ps shows one 'kdeinit4: kded4 [kdeinit]')12:37
shadeslayerHeh, I can't get my notebook up and running after making it sleep12:38
apacheloggeramichair: kded4 register as kded12:48
apacheloggershadeslayer: get proper hardware then12:49
shadeslayerapachelogger: atleast the Display Port works properly now :P12:49
shadeslayercan connect to Projectors and TV's just fine ....12:49
apacheloggerwatching prn with pornon on pornjector?12:50
shadeslayerDid I mention Dragon makes X crash and VLC crashes when I try to play a video?12:54
shadeslayerapachelogger: ^ Any insights?12:54
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amichairafiestas: http://pastebin.com/yaFdQxQf (annotated with my comments)13:01
amichairafiestas: note that another display bug is mentioned other than no sleep - what can I do, it happened while I was running this little test :-)13:02
BluesKajmorning folks13:05
apacheloggershadeslayer: get proper hardware then13:11
shadeslayerapachelogger: make proper software for my hardware13:11
BluesKajnow now13:15
shadeslayerpoor buildd's13:40
shadeslayer"amd643 9541 jobs (13 days)"13:40
shadeslayer"i3865 17762 jobs (13 days)"13:40
shadeslayerQuintasan: btw lilstevie says that it is possible to get native Ubuntu running on the transformer, it's just that he was busy last month13:42
Quintasanso what the hell I have been installing up until now?13:43
shadeslayerQuintasan: as in, not a chroot13:43
shadeslayerI can't even get chroot :/13:44
Quintasanshadeslayer: OLiFE was doing a chroot?13:44
shadeslayerI don't know13:44
* shadeslayer looks13:44
shadeslayerQuintasan: do you reboot in order to get Ubuntu?13:44
Quintasanshadeslayer: I do, and I did hold pwr down to get into it13:44
afiestasamichair_: mmm is "normal" that it does not go to suspend if an external monitor is connected13:44
QuintasanI was using dualboot13:44
afiestasoh wait, re-reading it again13:45
shadeslayerIt's native then13:45
afiestasamichair_: I see, it is detected HDMI1 as active and that may be why the desktop is not resized either13:46
afiestascan you give me the output of xrandr, and tell me your GPU ?13:46
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amichairafiestas: http://pastebin.com/rrimjDPV14:10
afiestasamichair_: now do this14:19
afiestasxrandr --output eDP1 --off; This will disconnect the eDP output14:19
afiestas(do that while getting the kded output)14:20
afiestasand once it is removed, tell me if the desktop has been resized this time, and then close the lid14:20
* Riddell reports bug 92549014:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 925490 in muon (Ubuntu) "codec install does enable you to play mp3" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92549014:23
amichairafiestas: this will disable the laptop monitor, not the external one, yes?14:26
afiestasamichair_: yes14:26
afiestasin that case the inhibition will be correct, later we will test the other way around, disabling the HDMI 14:27
afiestasimportant to do everything via command line to be sure that krandr is not playing with us14:27
amichairafiestas: ok, did it: http://pastebin.com/8X5SMFCL14:28
amichairafiestas: how do I re-enable edp1?14:29
afiestasooks, good news is taht this time the "active monitor" list is correct14:29
afiestasxrandr --output eDP1 --auto --output HDMI1 --off14:29
afiestasthis will turn off the HDMI and turn on the eDP114:29
amichairafiestas:  http://pastebin.com/qKFxMG5E14:32
afiestasnow it worked, right?14:33
afiestaskded(29956) PowerDevil::Action::trigger: Unsatisfied policies, the action has been aborted14:33
afiestasoh shit14:33
amichairafiestas: the display resizing yes, the sleep no14:33
afiestasyou are running 4.8.0 I suppose14:33
amichairafiestas: btw, right after a fresh reboot the sleep does seem to work, and also now if I press the sleep (fn+f1) shortcut or select it from shutdown menu. It doesn't work when closing the lid, after I've been using it for a while, or sleeping/resuming, or using HDMI - not quite sure what causes it to start failing14:34
amichairafiestas: unrelated, another annoying bug is that once I reconnect HDMI (like right now), while both monitors work, it doesn't remember the configuration - I'm getting a clone right now, even though before the xrander stuff I had an extended desktop configuration (with HDMI being the primary)14:36
afiestasit will only remember one configuration and not sure if it is working14:36
amichairevery time I plug in or resume HDMI, I have to go into the display settings and re-configure the setup :-/14:36
afiestasI'm in the process of redoing all this because the current thing is... well let's say it is old14:36
amichairit would be great if it remembered the configuration per list of currently connected devices14:37
afiestasit does14:37
afiestas(yes in pressent, the current code I have around here it does that :p)14:37
amichairin that case, it would be great if it did something with that knowledge ;-)14:37
afiestasI hope to have it finished in a few months :p14:37
amichairafiestas: cool! looking forward to it :-)14:37
afiestasgoing back to the inhibition thing14:38
afiestasenable HDMI1 and eDP1, then restart kded14:39
afiestasI'm going to need all kded output if possible, especially if lines like14:39
afiestas"Inhibing: " or "Inhibing: " appear14:40
afiestasonce restarted close the lid, in theory it should not suspend14:40
afiestasthen WITHOUT restarting kded, disable the laptop screen by executing14:40
afiestasxrandr --output eDP1 --off14:41
afiestasclose the lid again, and in theory it should NOT suspend14:41
amichairit does: say Inhibing, which sounds close enough to inhibiting :-)  http://pastebin.com/p8TFNCnT14:41
afiestasfinally, execute xrandr --output eDP1 --auto --output HDMI1 --off14:42
afiestaswait 1 second or 2, close the lid and it should suspend14:42
amichairso repeating the same excercise as before basically?14:42
afiestasI guess, but this time with the entire log so I can see why it is not stopping14:43
amichairafiestas: here's the whole annotated session: http://pastebin.com/CPbPTv7C14:49
amichair(sleep didn't work at any point)14:49
afiestasamichair_: awesome ! 14:50
afiestascan you test a patch? 14:50
amichairafiestas: how hard/dangerous/reversible is it?14:51
afiestasit is not dangerous at all, 100% reversible I promess won't kill any kitty14:51
amichairok, let's give it  a shot14:52
afiestasamichair: give me 10 min to re-read the entire bug report to be sure that what I'm going to do fix it once for all14:55
amichairno problem!14:55
afiestasamichair: http://www.afiestas.org/picopatch.patch15:02
amichairafiestas: what do I need to checkout, dependencies to install, and how to build it?15:05
afiestasmaybe will be quicker if some kubuntu packager fellow can do magic and create a package?15:06
afiestasRiddell:  apachelogger bambee_ etc ? :p15:06
amichairmagic would be nice, yes15:06
Riddellafiestas: what?15:06
afiestasanywya, going to commit the change, is a fix for sure 15:07
afiestasRiddell: package a kde-workspace package with a fix I just made so amichair chan test15:07
RiddellI don't have time today but it's easy enough for someone familiar with packaging15:07
debfxis there something kvkbd can do that the keyboard plasma widget can't?15:14
debfxotherwise we could unseed it15:15
RiddellI don't know, need someone familiar with accessibility to say15:15
Riddellyou could well be right15:15
debfxoh, the layout is very broken when added to a vertical panel :/15:17
Riddellof kvkbd?15:18
debfxno, the plasma widget15:19
afiestasdebfx: do you have time for packaging kde-workspace with an extra patch so amichair can do some testing ?15:20
debfxafiestas: not today15:22
amichairdo u guys have a nightly build? if so I can test it tomorrow 15:22
amichairI'd try and build it myself, but I'm lacking a build environment and time15:23
Riddellamichair: project neon for nightly builds of KDE15:33
Riddellapachelogger, yofel: what's the state of project neon, got it running for my fosdem demo, looking great, it's 4.8 branch right?15:35
Riddellshadeslayer: is there any easy way I can get telepathy-kde running to demo at fosdem?15:43
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yofelRiddell: no, it's master (~4.9), and lacking a little maintainence lately but should still work16:26
shadeslayerRiddell: there's a scripted setup16:26
shadeslayerRiddell: so if you use the script + neon, it should work16:26
* afiestas just requested sponsorshp16:29
afiestasif I read everything correctly, we can upload new packages until February 16th, right?16:30
yofelright, after that you'll need to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess if you still need to get something in16:33
shadeslayerRiddell: http://community.kde.org/Real-Time_Communication_and_Collaboration/Getting_Set_Up/Scripted16:35
Riddellthanks yofel, shadeslayer 16:37
Riddellafiestas: yes16:37
afiestasRiddell: new minor releases will be allowed?16:41
Riddellafiestas: no new features without approval16:43
Riddellso point releases are usually ok16:44
Adri2000is there any intent to update digikam to 2.5.0 and/or sync it with debian (experimental) before FF?16:45
RiddellAdri2000: yes that would be nice16:46
Adri2000(I'm asking because I'd like to get opencv updated, and the digikam 2.4.0 in ubuntu FTBFS with the new opencv, while the digikam 2.5.0 in debian doesn't :))16:47
Riddellgo for it16:48
Adri2000will talk with debfx first, because the number of ubuntu changes according to changelog scares me :p16:51
yofelit shouldn't be that much. It's just that we never got to merge it with debian since 2.0 came out so you can't really see what the actuall diff is16:58
shadeslayerRiddell: btw in that script, make sure you run neon-env first and then the script17:06
Riddellshadeslayer: where do I get that?17:08
shadeslayerRiddell: you'll get it when you install Project Neon ;)17:08
Riddellshadeslayer: I have it installed17:08
shadeslayerah, then just type : neon-env in the console17:09
Riddellshadeslayer: nothing17:09
shadeslayerRiddell: did you install project-neon-utils?17:10
Riddellsomething compiling..17:12
shadeslayerlol wot?17:13
shadeslayerthat's probably kbuildsycoca4 running :P17:14
Riddellthe build script is compiling bits17:15
Riddellshadeslayer: compiled and installed I think, now what?17:17
shadeslayerRiddell: in krunner type "telepathy" and it should pop up17:21
shadeslayerRiddell: oh, you wouldn't have any accounts configured as well, so you'll have to go to systemsettings first17:21
shadeslayeror : kcmshell4 kcm_telepathy_accounts17:22
* shadeslayer ponders if Riddell has telepathy-gabble installed17:22
shadeslayerRiddell: I like your wallpaper17:25
Riddell"Could not find module 'kcm_telepathy_accounts'. See kcmshell4 --list for the full list of modules.17:25
shadeslayeranyway, mission control isn't running17:26
Riddellthis is seeming too much like hard work for me17:26
shadeslayerRiddell: yeah, initial setup  is a bit of a hassle17:26
shadeslayerthe backend doesn't start automagically17:26
Riddelloh well, too much energy17:26
shadeslayerRiddell: do you have telepathy-mission-control-5 installed?17:27
Riddellwill that fix it?17:28
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shadeslayerRiddell: okay, install telepathy-mission-control-5 , telepathy-gabble and telepathy-salut17:29
Riddellshadeslayer: then it'll work?17:30
shadeslayerand after that, you need to either log out/log in again or run : /usr/lib/telepathy/mission-control-517:30
shadeslayerRiddell: yes17:30
shadeslayerRiddell: like I said, the backend doesn't autostart on install17:30
Riddellshadeslayer: progress17:32
Riddellbut I can't connect to google talk17:32
shadeslayerOh, what's the problem?17:32
Riddell"there was a problem while trying to connect - some of the IM components are not working correctly"17:33
shadeslayertelepathy-gabble is supposed to take care of issues17:33
Riddelltelepathy-gabble is installed17:33
shadeslayeruhh hmm ...17:33
shadeslayerLemme ask, one sec17:34
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Darkwinghmmm, I kinda like the feel of the new default wallpaper17:39
shadeslayerDarkwing: yeah same here17:39
shadeslayerIt's .... frsh17:39
yofelhoros was too distracting compared with air17:39
yofelerr... *paired with air17:39
Darkwingits plain but, artistically solid17:40
Darkwing4.8 ingeneral has a better user feel.17:40
shadeslayerRiddell: hmm ... you need to copy /opt/project-neon/share/dbus-1/services/org.freedesktop.Telepathy.Client.* to /usr/share/dbus-1/services/ I believe17:43
shadeslayerThat should be the last thing you need to do17:44
Riddellshadeslayer: same thing17:44
shadeslayer:S 17:45
shadeslayerLog out and login again17:45
shadeslayerstupid DBus is stupid17:45
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Riddellshadeslayer: same thing17:46
shadeslayerI don't know then :(17:46
BluesKajssh sure is slow to load remote files on kde 4.817:47
Riddellthanks shadeslayer 17:53
shadeslayerRiddell: did it work? Or will you wait for the packages? :D17:53
Riddellshadeslayer: no18:02
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Riddellnice e-mail of the day http://paste.kde.org/198764/18:52
Riddellwell negative at the end but otherwise nice18:52
shadeslayerRiddell: I think he means that he switched to Kubuntu :P18:53
BarkingFishi don't see that as negative at all, Riddell :)18:53
yofelhe isn't the first one :D18:54
BarkingFishFar from it.  He's taken ubuntu off and switched to the Big Blue K :)  And that can't be bad.18:54
RiddellI'm away for a few hours, please watch for alpha 2 announce and put on the website when you see it19:04
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afiestasmm I was thinking on rushing on qrandr development so it can be at precise but since it is a LTS... I better do something else20:23
afiestasso, waht can I do to help kubuntu? which bug do you want me to try to fix?20:23
skaetRiddell, (or delegate) - images are up on site, and announce has been mailed.   You can make your page live now. 20:28
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