[01:03] <claydoh> if i get this job at harbor freight tools, I will be using KDE there :D
[01:04] <claydoh> their cash register/inventory system use red hat and KDE3 lol
[01:05] <Riddell> nice, if due for an upgrade :)
[01:05] <claydoh> lol
[01:06] <claydoh> they have 300+ locations all using it iirc
[01:07] <Riddell> sounds like a case of it works so no need to upgrade
[01:07] <Riddell> which is fine if liable to bit-rot
[01:08] <claydoh> yup, it is a place for cheap tools
[01:08] <Riddell> got any good sandpaper for use on epoxy resin?
[01:08] <claydoh> probably
[01:10] <claydoh> i assume waterproof paper 
[01:11] <claydoh> or aluminum oxide for finish work 
[01:11] <claydoh> but am no expert yet
[01:27] <Riddell> anything to add? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview#Kubuntu
[02:14] <Darkwing> Riddell: anything else we add? we aren'tlaunching litedm are we? 
[02:29] <Darkwing> Wow... I had to crash akonadi to get it to send mail via KMail in 4.8
[06:10]  * Tm_T lits a fag and ponders a moment over https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdegames/+bug/925002/comments/4
[06:11] <Tm_T> ...or something
[06:13] <micahg> hehe
[07:57] <amichair> afiestas: if there's any info I can provide to help with solving this bug, let me know
[09:21] <Riddell> Darkwing: "we aren'tlaunching litedm are we" pardon?
[09:26] <agateau> Riddell: I guess Darkwing means lightdm?
[09:26] <Riddell> oh maybe
[09:42] <afiestas> amichair_: open "kdebugdialog" seelct everything with the word "kded" on it 
[09:42] <afiestas> then go to a terminal and execute kquitapp kded4; sleep 5; kded4 --nofork
[09:43] <afiestas> then try to reproduce the bug and paste the output somewhere
[10:02] <apachelogger> lightdm?
[10:02] <apachelogger> :O
[10:03] <apachelogger> afiestas: btw, u still working on xrandr fixes?
[10:03] <apachelogger> since 4.8 it seems utterly broken for markey again
[10:09] <afiestas> apachelogger: well utterly broken is not something I can fix 
[10:09] <afiestas> no commit has been done since my fixes so..
[10:11] <apachelogger> yeah, I wasn't implying you broke it :)
[10:11] <apachelogger> just wondering whether you still have it on your todo
[10:12] <afiestas> if you gimme a bug I can reproduce, I will fix it :p
[10:14] <apachelogger> markey: give the master a bug 
[10:23] <apachelogger> yofel_, debfx: do I read the code wrong or did they remove the .gtkrc support completely?
[10:23] <apachelogger> well
[10:23] <apachelogger> deprecate it anyway
[10:29] <yofel_> they did
[10:29] <yofel> that's why we're looking at xsettings in the first place
[10:30] <apachelogger> well
[10:30] <apachelogger> the Qt approach is still an option
[10:30] <apachelogger> though I can't quite figure out where it spits out the default theme
[10:31]  * apachelogger should do phonon stuff anyway
[10:32] <Tm_T> apachelogger: afiestas: this? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=183143
[10:32] <apachelogger> yes
[10:32] <apachelogger> I think
[10:32] <apachelogger> something along those lines anyway
[10:32] <Tm_T> I have that problem
[10:32] <apachelogger> the entire thing really needs redoing
[10:32] <Tm_T> the krandr settings are not read on login
[10:32] <apachelogger> well
[10:32] <apachelogger> the silly thing is
[10:32] <apachelogger> they are not even with krandrtray in autostart
[10:33] <apachelogger> which apparently worked before
[10:33] <Tm_T> awww
[10:37] <afiestas> apachelogger: that's what I'm doing (redoing it)
[10:38] <afiestas> apachelogger: are you comming to fosdem?
[10:39] <apachelogger> no
[10:39] <apachelogger> bambee_ is
[10:39] <apachelogger> he is my proxy
[10:39] <apachelogger> which prevents liver failure on my side :P
[11:13] <schnelle_> guys i am running newest muon from qapt ppa in oneiric 
[11:13] <schnelle_> and muon updater offers upgrade !?
[11:13] <schnelle_> http://www.dodaj.rs/f/1T/pt/40ZkO4Fo/snapshot4.png
[11:14] <schnelle_> but "show new distribution releases" is set to "never": http://www.dodaj.rs/f/2t/1c/47yhDVjM/snapshot5.png
[11:14] <schnelle_> anyone seeing this?
[11:14] <Riddell> schnelle_: file a bug or talk to jonathan thomas, he's not on the channel just now
[11:15] <schnelle_> ok
[12:36] <amichair> afiestas: kquitapp(27042): "Application kded4 could not be found using service org.kde.kded4 and path /MainApplication."
[12:36] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[12:37] <amichair> (ps shows one 'kdeinit4: kded4 [kdeinit]')
[12:38] <shadeslayer> Heh, I can't get my notebook up and running after making it sleep
[12:48] <apachelogger> amichair: kded4 register as kded
[12:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: get proper hardware then
[12:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: atleast the Display Port works properly now :P
[12:49] <shadeslayer> can connect to Projectors and TV's just fine ....
[12:50] <apachelogger> watching prn with pornon on pornjector?
[12:53] <shadeslayer> yup
[12:54] <shadeslayer> Did I mention Dragon makes X crash and VLC crashes when I try to play a video?
[12:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^ Any insights?
[13:01] <amichair> afiestas: http://pastebin.com/yaFdQxQf (annotated with my comments)
[13:02] <amichair> afiestas: note that another display bug is mentioned other than no sleep - what can I do, it happened while I was running this little test :-)
[13:05] <BluesKaj> morning folks
[13:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: get proper hardware then
[13:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: make proper software for my hardware
[13:15] <BluesKaj> now now
[13:40] <shadeslayer> poor buildd's
[13:40] <shadeslayer> "amd64	3	 9541 jobs (13 days)"
[13:40] <shadeslayer> "i386	5	 17762 jobs (13 days)"
[13:42] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: btw lilstevie says that it is possible to get native Ubuntu running on the transformer, it's just that he was busy last month
[13:43] <Quintasan> native?
[13:43] <shadeslayer> yeah
[13:43] <Quintasan> so what the hell I have been installing up until now?
[13:43] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: as in, not a chroot
[13:44] <shadeslayer> I can't even get chroot :/
[13:44] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: OLiFE was doing a chroot?
[13:44] <shadeslayer> I don't know
[13:44]  * shadeslayer looks
[13:44] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: do you reboot in order to get Ubuntu?
[13:44] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I do, and I did hold pwr down to get into it
[13:44] <afiestas> amichair_: mmm is "normal" that it does not go to suspend if an external monitor is connected
[13:44] <Quintasan> I was using dualboot
[13:45] <afiestas> oh wait, re-reading it again
[13:45] <shadeslayer> It's native then
[13:46] <afiestas> amichair_: I see, it is detected HDMI1 as active and that may be why the desktop is not resized either
[13:46] <afiestas> can you give me the output of xrandr, and tell me your GPU ?
[14:10] <amichair> afiestas: http://pastebin.com/rrimjDPV
[14:19] <afiestas> amichair_: now do this
[14:19] <afiestas> xrandr --output eDP1 --off; This will disconnect the eDP output
[14:20] <afiestas> (do that while getting the kded output)
[14:20] <afiestas> and once it is removed, tell me if the desktop has been resized this time, and then close the lid
[14:23]  * Riddell reports bug 925490
[14:26] <amichair> afiestas: this will disable the laptop monitor, not the external one, yes?
[14:26] <afiestas> amichair_: yes
[14:27] <afiestas> in that case the inhibition will be correct, later we will test the other way around, disabling the HDMI 
[14:27] <afiestas> important to do everything via command line to be sure that krandr is not playing with us
[14:28] <amichair> afiestas: ok, did it: http://pastebin.com/8X5SMFCL
[14:29] <amichair> afiestas: how do I re-enable edp1?
[14:29] <afiestas> ooks, good news is taht this time the "active monitor" list is correct
[14:29] <afiestas> xrandr --output eDP1 --auto --output HDMI1 --off
[14:29] <afiestas> this will turn off the HDMI and turn on the eDP1
[14:32] <amichair> afiestas:  http://pastebin.com/qKFxMG5E
[14:33] <afiestas> now it worked, right?
[14:33] <afiestas> kded(29956) PowerDevil::Action::trigger: Unsatisfied policies, the action has been aborted
[14:33] <afiestas> oh shit
[14:33] <amichair> afiestas: the display resizing yes, the sleep no
[14:33] <afiestas> you are running 4.8.0 I suppose
[14:34] <amichair> afiestas: btw, right after a fresh reboot the sleep does seem to work, and also now if I press the sleep (fn+f1) shortcut or select it from shutdown menu. It doesn't work when closing the lid, after I've been using it for a while, or sleeping/resuming, or using HDMI - not quite sure what causes it to start failing
[14:36] <amichair> afiestas: unrelated, another annoying bug is that once I reconnect HDMI (like right now), while both monitors work, it doesn't remember the configuration - I'm getting a clone right now, even though before the xrander stuff I had an extended desktop configuration (with HDMI being the primary)
[14:36] <afiestas> it will only remember one configuration and not sure if it is working
[14:36] <amichair> every time I plug in or resume HDMI, I have to go into the display settings and re-configure the setup :-/
[14:36] <afiestas> I'm in the process of redoing all this because the current thing is... well let's say it is old
[14:37] <amichair> it would be great if it remembered the configuration per list of currently connected devices
[14:37] <afiestas> it does
[14:37] <afiestas> (yes in pressent, the current code I have around here it does that :p)
[14:37] <amichair> in that case, it would be great if it did something with that knowledge ;-)
[14:37] <afiestas> I hope to have it finished in a few months :p
[14:37] <amichair> afiestas: cool! looking forward to it :-)
[14:38] <afiestas> going back to the inhibition thing
[14:39] <BluesKaj> BBL
[14:39] <afiestas> enable HDMI1 and eDP1, then restart kded
[14:39] <afiestas> I'm going to need all kded output if possible, especially if lines like
[14:40] <afiestas> "Inhibing: " or "Inhibing: " appear
[14:40] <afiestas> once restarted close the lid, in theory it should not suspend
[14:40] <afiestas> then WITHOUT restarting kded, disable the laptop screen by executing
[14:41] <afiestas> xrandr --output eDP1 --off
[14:41] <afiestas> close the lid again, and in theory it should NOT suspend
[14:41] <amichair> it does: say Inhibing, which sounds close enough to inhibiting :-)  http://pastebin.com/p8TFNCnT
[14:42] <afiestas> finally, execute xrandr --output eDP1 --auto --output HDMI1 --off
[14:42] <afiestas> wait 1 second or 2, close the lid and it should suspend
[14:42] <amichair> so repeating the same excercise as before basically?
[14:43] <afiestas> I guess, but this time with the entire log so I can see why it is not stopping
[14:49] <amichair> afiestas: here's the whole annotated session: http://pastebin.com/CPbPTv7C
[14:49] <amichair> (sleep didn't work at any point)
[14:50] <afiestas> amichair_: awesome ! 
[14:50] <afiestas> can you test a patch? 
[14:51] <amichair> afiestas: how hard/dangerous/reversible is it?
[14:51] <afiestas> it is not dangerous at all, 100% reversible I promess won't kill any kitty
[14:52] <amichair> ok, let's give it  a shot
[14:55] <afiestas> amichair: give me 10 min to re-read the entire bug report to be sure that what I'm going to do fix it once for all
[14:55] <amichair> no problem!
[15:02] <afiestas> amichair: http://www.afiestas.org/picopatch.patch
[15:05] <amichair> afiestas: what do I need to checkout, dependencies to install, and how to build it?
[15:06] <afiestas> maybe will be quicker if some kubuntu packager fellow can do magic and create a package?
[15:06] <afiestas> Riddell:  apachelogger bambee_ etc ? :p
[15:06] <amichair> magic would be nice, yes
[15:06] <Riddell> afiestas: what?
[15:07] <afiestas> anywya, going to commit the change, is a fix for sure 
[15:07] <afiestas> Riddell: package a kde-workspace package with a fix I just made so amichair chan test
[15:07] <Riddell> I don't have time today but it's easy enough for someone familiar with packaging
[15:14] <debfx> is there something kvkbd can do that the keyboard plasma widget can't?
[15:15] <debfx> otherwise we could unseed it
[15:15] <Riddell> I don't know, need someone familiar with accessibility to say
[15:15] <Riddell> you could well be right
[15:17] <debfx> oh, the layout is very broken when added to a vertical panel :/
[15:18] <Riddell> of kvkbd?
[15:19] <debfx> no, the plasma widget
[15:20] <afiestas> debfx: do you have time for packaging kde-workspace with an extra patch so amichair can do some testing ?
[15:22] <debfx> afiestas: not today
[15:22] <amichair> do u guys have a nightly build? if so I can test it tomorrow 
[15:23] <amichair> I'd try and build it myself, but I'm lacking a build environment and time
[15:33] <Riddell> amichair: project neon for nightly builds of KDE
[15:33] <Riddell> http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Using_Project_Neon_to_contribute_to_KDE
[15:35] <Riddell> apachelogger, yofel: what's the state of project neon, got it running for my fosdem demo, looking great, it's 4.8 branch right?
[15:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: is there any easy way I can get telepathy-kde running to demo at fosdem?
[16:26] <yofel> Riddell: no, it's master (~4.9), and lacking a little maintainence lately but should still work
[16:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: there's a scripted setup
[16:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: so if you use the script + neon, it should work
[16:29]  * afiestas just requested sponsorshp
[16:30] <afiestas> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[16:30] <afiestas> if I read everything correctly, we can upload new packages until February 16th, right?
[16:33] <yofel> right, after that you'll need to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess if you still need to get something in
[16:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://community.kde.org/Real-Time_Communication_and_Collaboration/Getting_Set_Up/Scripted
[16:37] <Riddell> thanks yofel, shadeslayer 
[16:37] <Riddell> afiestas: yes
[16:41] <afiestas> Riddell: new minor releases will be allowed?
[16:43] <Riddell> afiestas: no new features without approval
[16:44] <Riddell> so point releases are usually ok
[16:44] <afiestas> oks
[16:45] <Adri2000> hi
[16:45] <Adri2000> is there any intent to update digikam to 2.5.0 and/or sync it with debian (experimental) before FF?
[16:46] <Riddell> Adri2000: yes that would be nice
[16:47] <Adri2000> (I'm asking because I'd like to get opencv updated, and the digikam 2.4.0 in ubuntu FTBFS with the new opencv, while the digikam 2.5.0 in debian doesn't :))
[16:48] <Riddell> go for it
[16:51] <Adri2000> will talk with debfx first, because the number of ubuntu changes according to changelog scares me :p
[16:58] <yofel> it shouldn't be that much. It's just that we never got to merge it with debian since 2.0 came out so you can't really see what the actuall diff is
[17:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw in that script, make sure you run neon-env first and then the script
[17:07] <Riddell> oh
[17:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer: where do I get that?
[17:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you'll get it when you install Project Neon ;)
[17:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I have it installed
[17:09] <shadeslayer> ah, then just type : neon-env in the console
[17:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: nothing
[17:09] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[17:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you install project-neon-utils?
[17:11] <Riddell> no
[17:12] <Riddell> trying..
[17:12] <Riddell> something compiling..
[17:13] <shadeslayer> lol wot?
[17:14] <shadeslayer> that's probably kbuildsycoca4 running :P
[17:15] <Riddell> the build script is compiling bits
[17:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: compiled and installed I think, now what?
[17:20] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: in krunner type "telepathy" and it should pop up
[17:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh, you wouldn't have any accounts configured as well, so you'll have to go to systemsettings first
[17:22] <shadeslayer> or : kcmshell4 kcm_telepathy_accounts
[17:22]  * shadeslayer ponders if Riddell has telepathy-gabble installed
[17:24] <Riddell> http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/telepathy.png
[17:25] <shadeslayer> heh
[17:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I like your wallpaper
[17:25] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:25] <Riddell> "Could not find module 'kcm_telepathy_accounts'. See kcmshell4 --list for the full list of modules.
[17:26] <shadeslayer> anyway, mission control isn't running
[17:26] <Riddell> this is seeming too much like hard work for me
[17:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah, initial setup  is a bit of a hassle
[17:26] <shadeslayer> the backend doesn't start automagically
[17:26] <Riddell> oh well, too much energy
[17:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: do you have telepathy-mission-control-5 installed?
[17:28] <Riddell> no
[17:28] <Riddell> will that fix it?
[17:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: okay, install telepathy-mission-control-5 , telepathy-gabble and telepathy-salut
[17:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: then it'll work?
[17:30] <shadeslayer> and after that, you need to either log out/log in again or run : /usr/lib/telepathy/mission-control-5
[17:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yes
[17:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: like I said, the backend doesn't autostart on install
[17:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer: progress
[17:32] <Riddell> but I can't connect to google talk
[17:32] <shadeslayer> Oh, what's the problem?
[17:33] <Riddell> "there was a problem while trying to connect - some of the IM components are not working correctly"
[17:33] <shadeslayer> telepathy-gabble is supposed to take care of issues
[17:33] <Riddell> telepathy-gabble is installed
[17:33] <shadeslayer> uhh hmm ...
[17:34] <shadeslayer> Lemme ask, one sec
[17:39] <Darkwing> hmmm, I kinda like the feel of the new default wallpaper
[17:39] <shadeslayer> Darkwing: yeah same here
[17:39] <shadeslayer> It's .... frsh
[17:39] <shadeslayer> *fresh
[17:39] <yofel> horos was too distracting compared with air
[17:39] <yofel> err... *paired with air
[17:40] <Darkwing> its plain but, artistically solid
[17:40] <Darkwing> 4.8 ingeneral has a better user feel.
[17:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hmm ... you need to copy /opt/project-neon/share/dbus-1/services/org.freedesktop.Telepathy.Client.* to /usr/share/dbus-1/services/ I believe
[17:44] <shadeslayer> That should be the last thing you need to do
[17:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: same thing
[17:45] <shadeslayer> :S 
[17:45] <shadeslayer> Log out and login again
[17:45] <shadeslayer> stupid DBus is stupid
[17:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: same thing
[17:46] <shadeslayer> ...
[17:46] <shadeslayer> I don't know then :(
[17:47] <BluesKaj> ssh sure is slow to load remote files on kde 4.8
[17:53] <Riddell> thanks shadeslayer 
[17:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did it work? Or will you wait for the packages? :D
[18:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no
[18:44] <cnd> hmm
[18:44] <cnd> oops
[18:52] <Riddell> nice e-mail of the day http://paste.kde.org/198764/
[18:52] <Riddell> well negative at the end but otherwise nice
[18:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I think he means that he switched to Kubuntu :P
[18:53] <BarkingFish> i don't see that as negative at all, Riddell :)
[18:54] <yofel> he isn't the first one :D
[18:54] <BarkingFish> Far from it.  He's taken ubuntu off and switched to the Big Blue K :)  And that can't be bad.
[19:04] <Riddell> I'm away for a few hours, please watch for alpha 2 announce and put on the website when you see it
[20:23] <afiestas> mm I was thinking on rushing on qrandr development so it can be at precise but since it is a LTS... I better do something else
[20:23] <afiestas> so, waht can I do to help kubuntu? which bug do you want me to try to fix?
[20:28] <skaet> Riddell, (or delegate) - images are up on site, and announce has been mailed.   You can make your page live now. 
[23:48] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/precise-alpha