[00:05] <jbicha> rocky: the answer is no, but web browsers are special
[00:07] <jbicha> in Chromium, you can click File>Create Application Shortcuts, check Application Menu, and drag the new shortcut from the dash to the launcher
[00:07] <jbicha> that might work
[00:08] <jbicha> or you can just use multiple web browsers or learn to love the Alt + ~
[00:08] <rocky> jbicha, yeah that works for launching it but once i launch that shortcut app it groups the new icon with the running google chrome icon
[08:47] <gogo_> unity 5.2 will land in alpha 2 or after that?
[08:53] <crizzy> https://twitter.com/#!/VUPEN/status/164993177579814912
[09:04] <gogo_> i am getting confused...unity 5.2 will land in alpha 2 or after that?
[11:50] <iceroot> crizzy: any cve about that?
[12:02] <crizzy> iceroot: http://thexploit.com/sec/critical-php-remote-vulnerability-introduced-in-fix-for-php-hashtable-collision-dos/ here's more
[12:05] <iceroot> crizzy: thanks, i applied the patch (which is causing that) two days ago on squeeze where it was backported :(
[12:05] <iceroot> and i think the fix was also fetched on ubuntu
[12:05] <crizzy> there also was a nasty nasty sudo bug
[12:05] <crizzy> with instant rooting
[12:05] <iceroot> %n
[12:06] <crizzy> good thing i have 10.04 at servers, old enough not to have it
[12:06] <crizzy> yes
[12:06] <iceroot> only 12.04 was affected by that
[12:06] <iceroot> and its fixed already
[12:06] <crizzy> good thing
[12:06] <crizzy> other distros might have it around.. 1.8 isn't that new release
[12:06] <iceroot> crizzy: opensuse, fedora and ubuntu 12.04 were affected
[12:07] <iceroot> there was also a local root-exploit with some /proc/foo
[12:07] <iceroot> for every linux 3.x
[12:08] <iceroot> crizzy: as it seems the patch from debian for php5 did not reach ubuntu yet
[12:09] <iceroot> ah great we are using php 5.3.8 and not 5.3.9
[12:09] <crizzy> for once good that security updates are late ;)
[12:09] <iceroot> and debian backported it but it was not needed for there version
[12:10] <iceroot> so ubuntu is not affected by the old or new exploit
[12:38] <astraljava> Hey guys, thought I'd check your flavor out as well, but I have a spare machine that I can install to by CD only. What is the way to do that now while the image is oversized?
[12:39] <astraljava> Err... sorry, I could have sworn I tried joining #kubuntu+1. Or is there a redirect?
[12:39] <astraljava> Ahh yes there is.
[12:40] <astraljava> Well, anyway, talking about kubuntu, do I need to install oneiric, and do-release-upgrade -d ?
[12:40] <Daekdroom> astraljava, the ISO default will now be 750MiB
[12:41] <Daekdroom> That is, no more CD
[12:41] <astraljava> Ok. When has that changed occurred? cdimage still talks about CDs.
[12:42] <Daekdroom> It's supposed to start for 12.04 LTS
[12:43] <Daekdroom> On the other hand, I have yet to find somewhere saying it's official.
[12:43] <astraljava> Daekdroom: Ok. Thanks for the info!
[12:44] <astraljava> I'll go the oneiric route, then.
[12:50] <snadge> would anyone happen to have any ideas off hand.. how to disable pulseaudio for a specific session using lightdm?
[12:50] <snadge> i run xbmc from a custom session.. using a seperate username
[12:50] <snadge> and pulseaudio messes up the audio latency.. so i'd like some way to be able to not run it
[13:05] <BluesKaj> morning folks
[13:20] <airtonix> snadge: i run xbmc too and don't need to disable pulseaudio.
[13:22] <airtonix> but that's because i'm just plain awesome
[13:22] <astraljava> Some people just have it.
[13:24] <airtonix> yes well when someone suggests removing pulseaudio i question their sanity
[13:24] <astraljava> Nooo... I meant the awesomeness. :)
[13:36] <BluesKaj> airtonix,  I used to run my system just fine without pulseaudio with my onboard audio , after installing a m-audio pci card , I needed pulse for webaudio like youtube/flash etc , so it depends on alsa / soundcard combination that determines whether pulse is required or not
[13:42] <BluesKaj> unfortunately there's nothing awesome about pulseaudio , it adds another layer of processing which results in more distrotion and sound quality degradation for those using the analog outputs to their speakers . Fortunately for me the digital pass thru works and the digital conversion/processing takes place on my audio amplifier
[14:51] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek Day 3 (last day) starting in 8 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[15:31] <mokoloko> will aliased window borders arrive with this 12.04? I read about it somewhere and now i can't keep staring at em :D DEM JAGGIES
[18:35] <moo-> anyone noticed the font is different?
[18:37] <moo-> why is applets in gnome-panel not skinned?
[19:10] <roothorick> So, if icedtea-plugin doesn't work for me, then what? I can't find any other Java browser plugins in the repository......
[19:27] <micahg> roothorick: what do you mean by "doesn't work"
[19:28] <micahg> that's the only plugin we can ship
[19:31] <FernandoMiguel> evening <3
[19:34] <roothorick> micahg: I filed a bug recently. Keyboard input doesn't reach the applet. Kinda a BFD when you use VNC a lot.
[19:34] <roothorick> gotta reboot...
[19:49] <iceroot> can someone confirm this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/command-not-found/+bug/925678
[20:08] <rocky> has anyone come up with a workaround or fix for the no-sound issue that seems to be plaguing many people in precise right now?
[20:15] <iceroot> rocky: bug?
[20:16]  * rocky digs it up
[20:17] <rocky> iceroot, well the issue is discussed in a bunch of forum threads... this is one i just found:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1903214
[20:18] <rocky> but i know i saw a couple bug reports too
[20:18] <iceroot> rocky: ok
[20:18] <rocky> fwiw, the "fixes" there don't fix it for me :(
[20:37] <melter> what great timing, i just came here to check if alpha 2 was released :)
[21:22] <h00k> woah, right now is a bad time to dist-upgrade, it wanted to remove just about everything.
[21:22] <h00k> I'll do an upgrade instead.
[21:27] <guntbert> h00k: strange, just ran a dist-upgrade - the process seemed fine - only my graphic system won't start any more (in a VM, that is)
[21:30] <h00k> guntbert: ah. Yeah, mine wanted to bork everything, unity, nautilus, etc, all kinds of libs
[21:30] <h00k> I'll only assume it's in the middle of some packages getting thrown in ;)
[21:32] <guntbert> h00k: yes, immediatley after running the dist-upgrade another dist-upgrade was necessary, so things seem pretty in the flow right now - a little strange *after* alpha2, isn't it?
[21:34]  * h00k srugs
[22:12] <Diyar> How can update 11.10 to 12 alpha 2 ?
[22:13] <FernandoMiguel> !upgrade | Diyar
[22:13] <Diyar> Yes
[22:13] <FernandoMiguel> !update-manager
[22:13] <Diyar> How
[22:13] <FernandoMiguel> Diyar: have you read that?
[22:14] <Diyar> no .. I will read it now .. thanks
[22:14] <FernandoMiguel> yw
[22:17] <Diyar> FernandoMiguel: in both not talk about 11.10 to 12 alpha 2  and in software update not show update/upgrade to 12
[22:18] <Diyar> other way please
[22:18] <FernandoMiguel> $ update-manager -d
[22:18] <Diyar> without download fresh
[22:19] <crizzy> Diyar: sudo update-manager -d
[22:19] <Diyar>  know I wrote this one not show any update /upgrade available
[22:20] <Diyar> I know*
[22:20] <FernandoMiguel> Diyar: make sure you haven't updates set to LTS
[22:20] <FernandoMiguel> !lts
[22:21] <Diyar> wait wait not show is
[22:21] <Diyar> thanks
[22:21] <FernandoMiguel> ?
[22:21] <Diyar> now is show*
[22:22] <Diyar> I mean upgrade is appear now at update manager
[22:22] <Diyar> Thanks guys :-)
[22:23] <swat_> hmmm, precise upgrade wants to remove a lot of packages...
[22:24] <crizzy> bah, 'unresolvable error' :( i wants percise
[22:24] <Diyar> not problem my problem just be faster
[22:31] <FernandoMiguel> swat_: DON'T
[22:35] <zzecool> Hello guy i have precise Alpha 1 installed  and right now my update manager ask me to remove almost the whole system  (unity  , nautilus , gnome shell ... all the libraries..... etc )  and only updates about 5 7 random packages....
[22:36] <zzecool> i know that Alpha 2 is out  but if i continue i will left with no system
[22:36] <zzecool> instead of an updated one
[22:36] <zzecool> any  clues?
[22:36] <swat_> FernandoMiguel: i wasn't going to :)
[22:36] <swat_> zzecool: just run into the same problem
[22:37] <zzecool> omg
[22:37] <FernandoMiguel> swat_: apt-get or aptitude?
[22:37] <zzecool> swat_, strange thing i have a virtual machine with precise on
[22:37] <zzecool> and it doesnt happening there....
[22:38] <zzecool> FernandoMiguel,  it doesn matter   apt-get aptitude    update manage synaptic
[22:38] <zzecool> its the same everywhere
[22:38] <FernandoMiguel> actually it does
[22:38] <FernandoMiguel> since aptitude has some known bugs with multi arch
[22:38] <swat_> FernandoMiguel: apt-get
[22:39] <FernandoMiguel> I did my upgrades 2h ago an all was ok
[22:40] <swat_> hmm
[22:40] <swat_> something has gone wrong now
[22:40] <swat_> :-/
[22:42] <jtaylor> wait a while
[22:42] <jtaylor> some package need to be upgraded at the same time or bad things will happen
[22:42] <jtaylor> probably one of them ahs not reached your mirror yet
[22:46] <hggdh> jtaylor: dependencies on the update of libglib
[22:46] <hggdh> expected, right now
[22:46] <FernandoMiguel> that's why I'm on the Main Archive and a local mirror :)
[22:46] <FernandoMiguel> hey hey hggdh
[22:46] <FernandoMiguel> long time not see
[22:46] <hggdh> yo FernandoMiguel
[22:46] <hggdh> indeed
[22:47] <hggdh> the lesson here is: be careful, be *VERY* careful when using apt-get, synaptic, aptitude on development versions
[22:48] <hggdh> either be selective on what you want to update, or do not update, or use update-manager (which will propose a partial upgrade)
[22:50] <zzecool> swat_:  my friend i think we have to wait  or we gonna end up playing with a brick :)
[22:55] <swat_> aye
[22:56] <zzecool> FernandoMiguel: im also using the Main Archive  but....
[23:00] <hggdh> oh, and add libxb* and evolution-data-server to the mix... the three of them together (libglib2.0, libxb*, and the e-d-s packages will propose to remove half the system right now
[23:00] <iceroot> hggdh: or just read the text in the screen before hitting yes
[23:00] <hggdh> indeed :-)
[23:01] <hggdh> but the lesson is still dist-upgrade with care...
[23:02] <iceroot> maybe something like that in the topic would be a good idea
[23:07] <hggdh> yes, but I do not have op rights here
[23:09] <yofel> uhm, just point them to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1859240
[23:10] <yofel> and mention that dist-upgrade does the same thing
[23:10] <FernandoMiguel> swat_: zzecool pro tip from a long time +1 user:
[23:11] <FernandoMiguel> NEVER EVER DO UPDATES on fridays lolol shame we are still a few hours away from that
[23:11] <yofel> oh right, that rule was there too :D
[23:11] <zzecool> hehe
[23:11] <zzecool> :
[23:11] <zzecool> :)
[23:12] <iceroot> for us (german) its a friday update :)
[23:12] <FernandoMiguel> there you go
[23:13] <FernandoMiguel> still 23:12 here
[23:13] <iceroot> FernandoMiguel: then what are you waiting for? its not friday to fire up the dist-upgrade :)
[23:13] <yofel> same for the channel if we talk UTC
[23:13] <iceroot> s/to/so
[23:13] <FernandoMiguel> I would love to use my laptop this weekend
[23:14] <GTRsdk> Is there a bug in some networking thing that prevents ssh and using some ports to connect locally?
[23:15] <GTRsdk> looks like there is an update
[23:17] <FernandoMiguel> no update here
[23:17] <FernandoMiguel> just power down
[23:17] <FernandoMiguel> as I was saying
[23:17] <FernandoMiguel> already spent 4 weekends without a system
[23:17] <FernandoMiguel> this cycle
[23:18] <GTRsdk> times like these make me think that Debian Wheezy is more stable
[23:18] <yofel> well, what do you expect 2 weeks before feature freeze...
[23:19] <zzecool> So i wonder what precise im running right now
[23:20] <zzecool> Alpha 1   ot Alpha + something ;p
[23:20] <iceroot> issue is fixed on german mirrorsy
[23:20] <iceroot> -y
[23:20] <zzecool> o rly?
[23:20] <zzecool> let me try main again
[23:21] <yofel> alpha2 + x**(num_of_broken_pkgs)
[23:21] <iceroot> zzecool: here it is fixed
[23:21] <yofel> something like that
[23:21] <GTRsdk> yofel: well what "features" could be added that are broken? Especially when they are using ports and ssh?
[23:22] <yofel> no idea. a) ssh works fine here b) I'm on KDE
[23:22] <zzecool> iceroot: the main archive is still broken
[23:22] <iceroot> zzecool: ok
[23:22] <yofel> mirror being fixed while main being broken doesn't make sense o.O
[23:23] <GTRsdk> I'm using LXDE on one computer while Fluxbox is in use on the other
[23:23] <iceroot> zzecool: stupid question, used apt-get update first?
[23:23] <zzecool> yes
[23:23] <zzecool> always
[23:23] <GTRsdk> well on both computers I had a lot of updates
[23:23] <iceroot> zzecool: hm, here http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu  it is fixed (i thought i am using german mirrors)
[23:24] <zzecool> GTRsdk:  be very carefull because my update manager asks me to remove my whole system
[23:24] <GTRsdk> zzecool: I only ran upgrade, not dist-upgrade
[23:24] <zzecool> ok
[23:24] <zzecool> You are lucky ;p
[23:24] <zzecool> i was too
[23:26] <GTRsdk> what really sucks is that I was using them as miners, so one not being able to connect to the other is a major issue
[23:30] <zzecool> iceroot: for me archive.ubuntu.com still ask me a partial update
[23:30] <zzecool> probably i have more packages or different packages than you
[23:31] <iceroot> zzecool: maybe, this is "just" a lubuntu system
[23:31] <zzecool> oh
[23:31] <zzecool> maybe
[23:31] <zzecool> im using ubuntu
[23:32] <GTRsdk> but then there must be a bug in the ubuntu-desktop meta package?
[23:32] <iceroot> but i was facing the same issue here before
[23:32] <zzecool> lubuntu is the lightweight one  right ?
[23:32] <iceroot> zzecool: yes
[23:32] <zzecool> i c
[23:32] <zzecool> one thing is sure
[23:32] <zzecool> many ppl will  experience the smae
[23:32] <zzecool> and cant be unoticed
[23:33] <zzecool> they gonna fix it
[23:33] <zzecool> sooner or later
[23:33] <GTRsdk> well let's hope it gets fixed sooner than later, or better yet, now
[23:33] <zzecool> lol
[23:33] <zzecool> true
[23:34] <zzecool> bad thing is that you cant find here ppl that driving the whole situation to give you a better thought about what is happening
[23:35] <iceroot> the best is
[23:35] <zzecool> its a bit unlike that you gonna find a dev here to help you
[23:35] <iceroot> sleeping and tomorrow everything is fine
[23:35] <zzecool> hhH
[23:35] <zzecool> i remember last year
[23:35] <zzecool> when waiting here to irc
[23:35] <zzecool> with many others
[23:35] <zzecool> for unity to land
[23:35] <zzecool> :)
[23:36] <zzecool> i was so bored
[23:36] <zzecool> that felt for sleep
[23:36] <zzecool> and when woke up tha same ppl were still waiting
[23:36] <zzecool> for the release
[23:36] <zzecool> lol
[23:36] <GTRsdk> this Debian system doesn't have ssh upgrades, so I'm guessing it must be an old version in Ubuntu or something?
[23:37] <GTRsdk> although, I still don't know which one is the culprit. ssh or something else?
[23:37] <zzecool> in my system the culprit must a shitload of pachages and not only one ;p
[23:38] <zzecool> packages*
[23:41] <zzecool> iceroot: why not using ubuntu  ?  Cause of resources  or you just dont like Unity ?
[23:42] <GTRsdk> The sources in the recent versions of Lubuntu are the same, so basically only the installation disc and the packages installed 0 minutes after installation are the only real differences
[23:43] <zzecool> yeah but with compiz + unity you have a ton more packages and libraries as dependencies
[23:44] <iceroot> zzecool: the mainreason is because i wanted to be part of an oss-project. unity/ubuntu have already a lots of good people (mostly from canocial), i was searching for something "new" which is not that big, so its easier for me to understand how everything is working (organisation, testing, developing)
[23:44] <iceroot> zzecool: so i decided to install lubuntu and be part of the lubuntu-team
[23:44] <GTRsdk> zzecool: sure, but those can be installed with "apt-get install unity compiz"
[23:47] <GTRsdk> just like how they can easily be removed
[23:48] <iceroot> i dont see the problem, in the last weeks hdds are very expensive so its a great feature that ubuntu is cleaning the hdd so you dont have to buy a new one for 400% of the costs
[23:50] <GTRsdk> cleaning the hard drive meaning removing critical packages?
[23:50] <iceroot> :) yes
[23:50] <iceroot> it was also removing bugs and security issues
[23:51] <iceroot> and everyone was saying that he dont like unity, it was also removing unity
[23:52] <GTRsdk> well since I use Debian and Ubuntu, consistency is fairly important. Since Unity exists only in Ubuntu, I use LXDE. Though, I am beginning to like Fluxbox.
[23:52] <iceroot> of course only joking. we are using 12.04 which is still an alpha, so things like that are not impossible and normally 12.04 should only be used for testing and to see what ne new ubuntu version will look like
[23:53] <GTRsdk> yeah
[23:53] <GTRsdk> but 12.04 is supposed to sync with Debian Wheezy and be a LTS
[23:54] <iceroot> GTRsdk: debian sid
[23:54] <iceroot> GTRsdk: ubuntu always syning with sid
[23:54] <GTRsdk> Wasn't Sid for non-LTS versions?
[23:55] <iceroot> never heard of that