[00:01] I only seemed to have your @ubuntu email. Should be fine I guess ^_^ [02:31] Mmm Pizza [03:23] mhall119: GitHub support! http://imagebin.org/196812 === jono is now known as Guest29470 [08:01] good morning [08:15] good morning all [08:16] Hello dpm [08:16] hi benonsoftware [08:17] benonsoftware, happy birthday! :) [08:17] Thanks :p [08:20] ok, I think I'll take the plunge and take the dog for a walk [08:20] it's -13°C [08:20] hmm [08:21] if I don't come back you know what happened [08:21] wow [08:21] thats 8.6 degrees [08:21] lucky [08:24] * nigelb waves from a toasty 21 C [08:25] good morning [08:25] wow, I just had a look, it just seem to be United States, Cayman Islands and Belize who use the Fahrenheit scale - that's not many :) [08:26] Yeah. Everyone else in the world uses common sense and Celsius :P [08:26] heh [08:27] I just washed my bike 15 minutes back. [08:27] The sun is hot enough that its completely trdry. [08:28] forecastis for -16 this weekend in Brussels [08:28] I may in fact curl up and die! [08:28] Europe used to use Fahrenheit right? [08:28] ooh, you're already in Brussels? [08:29] see when I see people saying its going to be negative any temp it just gives me goose bumps because I think freezing :D [08:29] nope London [08:30] bkerensa, at least the UK seems to have used it before the 70s (according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celsius) [08:30] minus figured do tend to be freezing [08:30] technically, negative in celsius is freezing. [08:30] but anyway, I'll go out now - see you in a bit :) [08:32] Oh Fahrenheit was invited by a German :D [10:50] Ping for jcastro when you are around / awake [10:55] s-fox: is this re the FC by any chance? [11:01] Yes czajkowski [11:02] s-fox: anything I can help wiht , follwoing the ticket [11:02] Which ticket czajkowski ? We have 2 issues at the moment. ;) [11:02] the sso [11:03] We were confused by Marks reply on the mailing list. We want to know what is going to happen now regarding SSO vs the security issue we found. [11:04] s-fox: the way I read it was jcastro has found someone to work on it and mark was happy about that [11:05] Have you seen the information regarding the security & privacy breaches ? [11:05] yes [11:05] but that is on the same ticket no? [11:06] Our concern is the privacy of our userbase vs a nice to have feature. [11:06] s-fox: it's not just a nice feature, its a necessity though [11:06] Privacy is not? [11:06] I do appeciate the security breach is an issue though [11:07] 4 administrator accounts have had problems in the last 6 months. [11:07] s-fox: is there a ticket specifically about the breach ?? [11:08] I believe the ticket is 16733 [11:08] ticket 19247 is also related to the breach. [11:09] thats the one I was asking for [11:09] ok [11:09] cant view it [11:09] let me go and see if I can get more info on it [11:10] czajkowski, I have just read marks email to the list. [11:11] It appears SSO is being put on hold in view of the security issue. [11:11] Or at least a point upgrade. [11:15] s-fox: so it's been looked into === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [13:11] morning [13:15] dholbach: ping [13:15] mhall119, pong [13:16] can you merge from lp:~mhall119/+junk/unity-stats/ again? [13:16] and can you also delete data/unity-patch-bugs on cranberry, that data was bad [13:17] just a sec [13:17] thanks [13:17] oh, and is ./ubuntustats/ in bzr for you? On my local checkout it's saying it's unknown [13:18] no, I just branched it into there [13:18] from ~dholbach/+junk/ubuntustats [13:19] merged your branch, deleted the file and now running the script for you [13:19] is there a reason for having it separate? [13:19] I use it in a couple of other places too [13:20] but not the udd-sponsoring-stats? [13:20] err, you mean http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring-stats/? [13:20] I'm trying to pull your contributor graphs from udd into unity [13:21] yeah [13:21] it uses it too [13:21] but not all parts of it are fully ported to it yet [13:21] I just keep of running out of time to move everything to it [13:21] understood [13:22] mind if I add tools.py from udd-sponsored-stats/stats into unity-stats/ubuntustats? [13:22] not at all - there should be no conflicts I guess [13:22] if there are I'll clean them up [13:23] * dholbach hugs mhall119 [13:23] one day, maybe during a sprint we can sit together and make it all tidy, tight and nice [13:24] most graphs were "we need this data and we should have had it yesterday" jobs [13:24] and I mostly just went back to fix them when they were broken [13:24] :-/ [13:26] wow, my mouse pointer is moving around on its own [13:26] what the ... [13:27] dholbach: I've been thinking of how we can convert it all into a django app [13:27] that'd be nice indeed [13:27] with proper logging, so if data sources get broken, we can go back and fix them [13:27] maybe even unity tests [13:27] * mhall119 *gasps* [13:27] unit, [13:27] I've got unity on the brain [13:27] I can't type unit without my fingers adding the y [13:28] ok, I'll reboot - this is getting weird [13:30] ok, now I can go back to work :) [13:36] oh, I have a classroom session in 2.5 hours [13:40] balloons: ping [13:40] mhall119: good thing you remembered now? [13:40] balloons: sorry for being MIA a bit, I'm still getting used to the new schedule [13:41] Pendulum: yeah [13:42] have a little time to prepare [13:42] though, I'm not sure what to prepare... [13:56] pleia2, cjohnston - sorry I missed the request somewhere (or just spaced it) - I have meetings from 1500 Sunday until (I'm hoping the until doesn't last the entire length of the Super Bowl) - however, I should know more tomorrow and I can let you know then if that's not to late. [14:13] dholbach, hi. So I stupidly booked a dentist appointment for the same time as my developer week session [14:14] james_w: the anesthetics are going to make for an amusing session, I'm sure :) [14:22] hehe [14:24] Have someone at the dentist office transcribe your talk [14:24] popey: You're awesome. Just sayin. [14:25] "And furthermore blarf nargle bip garflnargin" [14:26] wow. http://www.cmu.edu/homepage/computing/2012/winter/ipad-course.shtml [14:29] lol [14:31] james_w, perhaps you can ask some of the guys that come before your session if they'd want to swap. I see seb128, om26er, mhall119, tumbleweed, coolbhavi and jbicha have sessions before your one [14:31] swapping later would be better actually, I'll see if aq doesn't want to go back-to-back [14:32] I can't swap, I have a call at 1800 [14:49] james_w, or swapping with kirkland maybe? [14:50] 41 [14:51] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek Day 3 (last day) starting in 8 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom [14:52] \o/ [14:54] james_w, let me know how the swapping goes, and once you know the new time, I'll announce the session on the ubuntuappdev social media channels [14:57] AlanBell: Had you seen http://sharejs.org/ yet? [15:01] dholbach: How does doing shorter UDW feel like? Good? Bad? [15:01] nigelb, good [15:01] we had a lot of short topics we could handle very well [15:01] \o/ [15:01] Buy sil a drink next time you see him :) [15:02] (I *think* he suggested it) [15:02] ah nice [15:02] on the other hand it was quite a bit of work to get the schedule together [15:02] heh [15:03] The original idea was [15:03] 30 mins is easier to sell. [15:03] yeah, but more slots to fill ;) [15:07] yeah, all that was sil's idea [15:07] it's only like 3 more slots, we did the math [15:08] Oh. right. I remember that now. [15:08] don't worry, I wouldn't conciously add more work [15:08] 3 extra sessions is worth dropping 2 days worth imo [15:08] We should cut down user days too. That should make it easier. [15:08] jcastro: YES [15:08] I believe the google term is "less arrows, but more wood behind each one." [15:08] And it saves weekend! [15:09] (especially for classroom team) [15:09] yup [15:09] plus no monday first thing blam IRC week when you're not even awake yet [15:09] heh [15:31] dpm, dholbach: schedule updated. kirkland couldn't swap, but aq could [15:31] james_w, awesome [15:32] james_w, great [15:32] james_w, all the best with the dentist programme [15:32] thanks [15:32] james_w, now make sure the dentist leaves you in a state you can type at least :) [15:32] I'm happy for om26er - he just told the audience "I had my first ever date yesterday <3" [15:32] haha [15:32] :) [15:32] hah you know what that means [15:32] Hey nigelb [15:32] he'll disappear at some point [15:33] hey doctormon [15:33] jcastro: lol [15:33] remember when robert carr discovered women? He was gone for like 3 years [15:33] dholbach: So, I joined the Mozilla webdev team when they did an AMA on reddit. [15:33] One of the questions was "Are women impressed when they hear you're part of mozilla dev team" [15:34] I guess it very much depends on the type of women [15:34] some impressed, some depressed, I guess [15:34] Yeah, we had fun answering that question :) [15:34] http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/oonrg/iama_member_of_the_mozilla_webdev_team_ama/c3itqoz [15:34] nigelb: Collectively or on average? [15:35] cjohnston: mhall119: nigelb: You guys have seen this right? http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/ [15:35] interesting [15:35] i hadnt [15:35] jcastro: already using it at work. [15:35] ah excellent [15:36] just making sure someone knew it was there [15:36] cjohnston: it's pretty bad ass [15:36] jcastro: Talking of github http://imagebin.org/196812 [15:36] Oh man, NICE NICE! [15:37] the little cat guy is cute! [15:37] jcastro: yes [15:37] or octocat or whatever they call it [15:37] jcastro: we did a prototype in ISD using it, very slick [15:37] Yeah got an svg of him. hard to find. === spesh is now known as nothingspecial === nothingspecial is now known as angela-android === fenris is now known as Guest60985 [16:25] mhall119: ping [16:25] jcastro: teaching [16:25] k [16:29] jcastro: ok [16:32] jcastro, last night i had a dream google bought juju.. more importantly, if I'm dreaming with google, does that means they really own all my data and know everything about me? :-) I dream with google! number one dream search engine [16:33] you need a hobby. :) [16:33] juju dream [16:34] balloons: this is what happens when you don't read the Terms of Service [16:35] you agree to let them implant Google DreamAds into your brain [16:35] mhall119, isn't there an adblock for that? [16:35] :-) [16:36] balloons: yes, but you've got to pay for them [16:37] shoot.. they told me everything was free ... no consequence... [16:40] jcastro: ping-a-ling [16:41] balloons: no consequence to *them* [16:42] technoviking: yo [16:42] jcastro: you need anything from me for the php SSO forum volenteer [16:43] Him and Newz talked [16:43] can you ping newz? He should know the details [16:43] But they've been linked up already [16:43] sure [16:44] Hey so, would now be a bad time to bring up this phpbb thing? [16:44] seeing if upgrade to 3.8.7 will fix the security issues on the forums [16:44] it is always a bad time, but I think it is the right thing to do [16:44] I can't believe we pay for something that doesn't even have openid support [16:45] I'm totally for moving the old forums to an forums archive linked to phpbb front end [16:46] not sure if transfer accounts would work, people make have to start from scratch [16:46] would lose alot of the forums community [16:46] what do you mean? === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [16:47] oh, a large percentage of people have local only accounts? [16:47] most probably do [16:47] jcastro: Pretty sure anything you do with the forums will piss off a lot of people [16:47] I have not found a way to transfer the vBB database to phpbb, even only the user account [16:47] even if you just leave it as it is [16:47] snap-l: owned forums will probably piss them off more [16:47] 97%+ I bet [16:48] jcastro: did you need me? [16:48] phpbb is a strange beast [16:48] there's a lot of "interesting" design decisions [16:49] mhall119: yeah [16:49] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview#preview [16:49] so skaet will usually ping you the day before an alpha/beta to give these a once over [16:50] and I used to just add links to upstream projects in the notes [16:50] to ensure that upstream projects are getting proper attribution [16:50] so for example, in the line about rhythmbox, I change that to add a link to the upstream page, etc. [16:51] then when you're done you say "ok ready" and she passes it on to the web team for proper publication [16:52] morning all [16:52] morning [16:52] hello jono [16:52] hey doctormon [16:52] hows things? [16:52] hey cjohnston [16:53] hey jono [16:53] hey dholbach [16:54] jono: doing great http://imagebin.org/196903 How's you? [16:54] jcastro: alright is she waiting on me currently? [16:54] or did you update this one [16:55] I took care of it [16:55] but she's going to ping you for future releases [16:55] It's basically just ensuring our upstreams get a shout out in the release notes. [16:56] jcastro: will do, thanks [17:10] technoviking: s-fox: ok the forums issue is at the top of IS level of attention already. [17:11] thanks jcastro [17:13] jcastro: who should I ping IS if vb 3.8.7 will work [17:13] I am not sure yet [17:14] will ping the RT once I heard [17:14] jcastro, Thank you :-) [17:15] technoviking: you're looking for mbarnett [17:21] jcastro: cool thanks === koolhead17 is now known as koolhead17|zzZZ [17:29] Anyone here familiar with Launchpad might have a minute to help me set up a team ? [17:33] bodhizazen: probably better to ask in #launchpad? [17:37] Thanks, I am getting help =) === fenris is now known as Guest57960 [17:41] jcastro, mhall119 there's a weird line in the release notes preview on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview#preview. Both of this reduces power consumption and thus battery lifetime. should be like "Both of these changes help reduce power consumption and thus increase battery life". [17:42] balloons: fix it in the wiki and then ping skaet or someone on #ubuntu-release [17:43] ohh.. I haz the powerz... [17:44] balloons: Can I suggest "These changes increase battery life through reducing power consumption"? Marketing says accent the recognisable. [17:45] doctormon, yes.. the sentence didn't make sense.. but your right. .It could also be said in a better way [17:46] balloons: Or even "reducing power waste", :-) === Guest57960 is now known as ejat [17:49] doctormon: IMO, "consumption" is more easily measurable and verifiable than "waste" [17:50] mhall119: Yes, and it's also meaningless in real terms, I can reduce the power consumption to zero by making the kernel shutdown the computer on each boot. [17:50] The question is, is the computer using less power but doing the same things as before. [17:50] If yes, then logically we have less waste. [17:51] likely it's doing less than before, just not in a way that the user will mind [17:51] but yes, people care about wasting power more [17:52] s/doing the same things/doing the same useful work/ [17:53] yes [17:53] personally, I prefer talking about consumption for two reason [17:53] as an engineer, I natually ask "how much less", and units of energy are more meaningful than units of waste [17:54] as a human, I negatively association the word "waste", so I don't want people reading about waste (even the reduction of it) in the context of Ubuntu [17:55] There's a study in there somewhere [17:55] while "this sucks 50% less" is literally good, the mood it puts the reader in isn't [17:55] ok in ~5? [17:55] jono: yup [17:55] mhall119, sweet [17:55] mhall119: Lasts longer then? [17:56] Makes better use of electrons than leading brands of soap. [17:57] heh [17:57] I think 'reduces power consumption' is good [17:57] both 'power' and 'consumption' generally put people's brains into a positive mood [17:57] and 'reduces' make it literally good as well [17:58] I'm convinced. [17:58] :) [17:59] I'm putting "Convinced somebody on IRC to agree with me" on my list of this week's achievements [18:00] LOL [18:01] mhall119, creating a hangout [18:02] mhall119: maybe an acheivement trophy? [18:03] doctormon: nah, that's too hard [18:03] hard to verify anyway [18:03] mhall119, invite sent [18:04] dholbach: ping? [18:04] nigelb, pong [18:05] dholbach: what was the change after james_w shift? [18:05] there seems to be a missing session [18:05] I moved sil around in the calender just now. [18:05] eh? [18:05] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek [18:06] 18 UTC: Adding Ubuntu One to your applications -- aquarius [18:06] 18:30 → 19:29 UTC: Pair Programming and Code Review in the Cloud! -- kirkland [18:06] 19:30 UTC: Syncing your app data everywhere with U1DB -- aquarius [18:06] 20:00 UTC: Automated packaging with pkgme -- james_w [18:06] ... [18:07] nigelb, ^ does that look alright to you? [18:07] sec [18:07] let me compare [18:08] dholbach: ok, is that after james's switch for the dentist? [18:09] yes [18:09] ok, so apparently, it is. [18:09] let me fix classroom calender. [18:09] You forgot that bit :) [18:09] thanks muchly [18:09] yes, I was in the middle of 5 things throughout the day [18:09] sorry [18:09] * dholbach hugs nigelb [18:09] * nigelb hugs dholbach [18:09] Happy to help, just let me know if you want to delete stuff like this. [18:10] delete what? [18:10] dholbach: *delegate [18:10] ahhhhh [18:10] :-) [18:11] Missed two chars :) [18:11] dholbach: Is Fixing internationalisation bugs still on? [18:12] Its not on the calender. I wonder if I accidentally screwed it up. [18:12] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek should be accurate [18:12] Goodbye. [18:12] 'lo doctormon [18:13] hey bodhizazen [18:14] dholbach: okay, all fixed! [18:15] bodhizazen: I'm looking to make sure we can patch the 3.8.7 to fix the security hole [18:15] nigelb, ROCK [18:15] thanks! :) [18:15] :) [18:16] Does anyone know if we have any iPhone devs in our community? [18:16] popey! [18:16] I think he does. [18:19] alrightie - have a great rest of your day everyone [18:19] and see you tomorrow [18:19] HUGS [18:20] g'nite dholbach! === fenris_ is now known as Guest43512 [19:41] pleia2: around? [19:42] kirkland tells me there's a problem with them getting voice on -classrom [19:42] jcastro: http://i.imgur.com/LSaDJ.jpg [19:42] jcastro, does he need voice now? [19:42] I think so [19:43] ok [19:43] bkerensa: I'm the cloud guy, I don't do local music. :) [19:44] ;) === Guest43512 is now known as ejat [19:45] jcastro, aq and kirkland have been voiced [19:58] jcastro: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntuforumssso [19:58] I saw the post, thanks! [19:59] If you know anyone else interested, have them email myself or another of the FC [19:59] :D [19:59] is that guy going to put his code there? [19:59] I have asked the forms staff to hand in this channel a bit more [19:59] We are hoping to keep code in LP, yes [19:59] ok [19:59] let me tell newz [20:00] FWIW - The "chat" feature on ask ubuntu is not well liked by my corporate firewall =( [20:00] If you are transitioning to vb4 there was a vbulletin developer who tried to get SSO going on vb4 but I think he abandoned such efforts [21:50] Hello, I need to get in touch with someone at canonical legal. Anyone know a good place to start? [21:55] s-fox: They have a good email address. check canonical.com if it's not about a community issue. [22:00] I've been looking on the website doctormon , I can't see a contact email for the legal dept. [22:00] :-( [22:01] s-fox, hmmm [22:01] s-fox: Have you tried emailing legal@canonical.com ? [22:01] No doctormon , I couldn't see that listed so have not emailed it. Thank you. :-) [22:18] :) [22:48] mhall119: ping