[07:27] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:29] <AlanBell> morning
[07:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning
[07:31] <czajkowski> on the choo choo train
[07:54] <DJones> Morning
[07:55] <popey> morning
[08:02]  * AlanBell puts laptop and lots of eggs in a bag
[08:02] <MooDoo>  morning all
[08:05]  * AlanBell checks http://popey.com/webcam/
[08:06] <czajkowski> either its not refreshed or alan has kept his arm very still all night
[08:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> Is that a desk that popey has? Where are all the bits of paper and other detritus that I have on mine?
[08:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> I don't recognise that colour at all
[08:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Right I am going to go and get ready then wonder off to the station. See you ion the pub this evening whoever else is going.
[08:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> s\wander
[08:09] <czajkowski> toodles TheOpenSourcerer
[08:16] <DJones> Ugh, a 5 minute train ride is a looonnnggg wait
[08:16] <DJones> Grr, wrong channel
[08:18] <diplo> :)
[08:18] <diplo> Morning all
[08:39] <daubers> Morning
[08:48] <smittix> Morning all
[08:51] <MooDoo> morning
[09:03] <popey> morning all
[09:04] <MooDoo> morning alan
[09:06] <czajkowski> DJones: you in London today ?
[09:07] <Gary> morning all, thanks popey \o/
[09:07]  * czajkowski hugs Gary Happy Birthday! 
[09:07] <Gary> aww, thx
[09:08] <MooDoo> happy birthday Gary :) no hug though :)
[09:14] <smittix> Unity 5.2 is looking good
[09:15] <smittix> Especially the screen edge detection.
[09:30] <TOSDroid> Choo choo
[09:30] <oimon> my phone app reckons it's going down to -7.5 tonight (was -5 last night) in london
[09:31] <smittix> Yeah mine says -5 for Nottingham tonight
[09:32] <smittix> and snow for todate :/
[09:32] <smittix> today even
[09:32] <oimon> made me smile this morning https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-fFXVkqn3kU4/TyiytLCCiRI/AAAAAAAAWC8/DCyHDTTzgyE/w400/chili%2Bpowder.gif
[09:34] <smittix> HEH!
[09:34] <oimon> i love the other guy in the background doing a happy dance
[09:34] <Gary> hehe
[09:34] <popey> that isnt chilli powder
[09:35] <popey> its almost certainly cinnamon.
[09:35] <popey> http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/the-cinnamon-challenge
[09:35] <smittix> http://www.failgif.com/2012/01/cinnamon-gifs.html
[09:36] <oimon> i thought that before i saw the url
[09:42] <bigcalm> That's just weird
[09:42] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:51] <gord> heatings going on a bit early today. brrr
[09:52] <oimon> this week my email address has been used to sign up to pandora and netflix (still getting PSN emails too)
[09:55] <smittix> morning bigcalm
[09:56] <bigcalm> Howdy smittix
[09:57] <bigcalm> oimon: use a personal domain?
[09:57] <oimon> bigcalm: or profit :P
[09:59] <oimon> linux journal keep sending me free copies :D
[09:59] <oimon> i find i read digital magazines more than paper ones
[10:00] <popey> whee, laptop has moved on to poland and then germany
[10:01] <oimon> are the X220 heavy btw?
[10:01] <popey> hard to say when its in germany
[10:01] <bigcalm> :)
[10:01] <oimon> i thought you'd had a lot of hands on
[10:01] <popey> aquarius: pcpro reviewed all ultrabooks, asus came out on top ☺
[10:02] <oimon> i played with a x220 tablet  i bought somebody..seemed nice
[10:02] <popey> i decided not to get the tablet version
[10:02]  * aquarius grins
[10:02] <oimon> although it had to go back to base because there was a spec of dirt sitting in the screen
[10:02] <aquarius> fader likes his asus zenbook
[10:02] <aquarius> I don't like that you have to be pathologically careful about which touchpad you get
[10:02] <oimon> possibly between the lcd and touchscreen
[10:03] <aquarius> and I think my ideapad looks nicer, but that's subjective ;)
[10:03] <popey> ☺
[10:03] <oimon> pretty is near bottom on my list
[10:03] <oimon> except when choosing a mate
[10:03] <JamesTait> Mornin' all!
[10:07] <popey> http://imgur.com/YBqhU
[10:07] <popey> i tell a lie!
[10:07] <popey> it's in the UK
[10:21] <AlanBell> choo choo
[10:22] <czajkowski> I tried the Ux31 the other day at the airport, AWFUL keyboard and trackpad.
[10:23] <czajkowski> and for an ultra light book rather heavy
[10:23] <smittix> popey: It's right next to where I am at the minute.
[10:25]  * smittix shudders, this wallpaper freaks me out http://wallbase.cc/wallpaper/1188298
[10:31] <jpds> smittix: http://interfacelift.com/
[10:35] <AlanBell> morning jpds
[10:36] <jpds> AlanBell: Morning.
[10:41] <bigcalm> czajkowski: want an awful keyboard? Try davmor2's
[10:42] <brobostigon> good mornign everyone.
[10:43] <bigcalm> Ahoy
[10:43] <brobostigon> hi bigcalm
[10:44] <bigcalm> Is it the weekend yet? :(
[10:44] <brobostigon> day after tmrw, will be weekend, today is thursday.
[10:45] <bigcalm> I was disturbed to discover that today was Thursday
[10:46] <brobostigon> :(
[10:49] <jpds> bigcalm: http://startuplaugh.com/536
[10:50] <bigcalm> HAH
[10:52] <oimon> hmm time to start pondering valentines day gift
[10:54] <MooDoo> oimon: i've already sorted mine out to my wife and it's sweet F A :)
[10:55]  * AlanBell suggests eggs
[10:56] <popey> unfertilized
[10:58] <Laney> mmm, frozen cakes
[10:58] <Laney> (kindly delivered by the university)
[10:58] <Laney> (not intended to be frozen)
[10:58] <Laney> (yum)
[10:58] <directhex> http://i.imgur.com/4451w.jpg
[11:01] <oimon> directhex: i thought that was a leg. but it's the sofa
[11:06] <bigcalm> directhex: your pet?
[11:07] <directhex> nope. just an awesome pic
[11:09] <popey> gord . bigcalm  and other tea lovers.. http://imgur.com/gallery/xQsWs
[11:10] <bigcalm> Haha
[11:10] <danfish> U+1F4A9
[11:10] <gord> need to purchase
[11:10] <gord> don't have my see through cups anymore though :(
[11:10] <danfish> fail
[11:11] <directhex> http://i43.tinypic.com/2c125k.jpg
[11:18] <davmor2> morning all
[11:18] <davmor2> czajkowski: proddingtonly prod
[11:19]  * czajkowski hugs davmor2 oi oi chappy
[11:19] <czajkowski> popey: lol
[11:22] <diplo> Anyone extended a LVM under vmware before ?
[11:22] <diplo> Follwoing this tutorial http://mattiasgeniar.be/2010/08/27/increase-a-vmware-disk-size-vmdk-formatted-as-linux-lvm/ , but only issue im having is
[11:23] <diplo>  resize2fs /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00
[11:23] <diplo> resize2fs 1.35 (28-Feb-2004)
[11:23] <diplo> /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 is mounted; can't resize a mounted filesystem!
[11:23] <diplo> Think of a round it ? apart from live cd
[11:33] <aquarius> czajkowski, that's why I chose the ideapad, not the asus zenbook
[11:33] <diplo> Seems kernel 2.6* and ext3 should allow this :/
[11:34] <czajkowski> aquarius: first thing I do in a shop is open up and editor and try and type on the keyboard
[11:34] <czajkowski> this one I fell in love with
[11:34] <aquarius> first thing I do is check the touchpad has multitouch, but yeah. :)
[11:37] <oimon> "Health alert as big chill grips UK" i read that as big chilli
[11:37] <diplo> oimon, you being a Centos guy, got any ideas about above ?
[11:37] <oimon> diplo: are you inside the VM or outside it?
[11:38] <diplo> I'm ssh'd into a virtual box trying to run this
[11:38] <diplo> VMWare box ( ESXi )
[11:39] <diplo> Server is in nottingham, I'm near bath :(
[11:39] <diplo> I can get someone to put a live cd in or grab one myself and put some where, just wanted to make there isn't an easier way, all the tutorials reckon it should just work
[11:41] <oimon> so you've increased the vmdk size, and expanded it in fdisk?
[11:41] <oimon> the volume is mounted on / ?
[11:43] <gord> wish gimp was a single window thing already..
[11:43] <oimon> gord: they need moar dev i think
[11:43] <gord> a bunch of forks already made it single window, sounds more like upstream don't want to do it
[11:45] <diplo> Sorry oimon yeah
[11:45] <oimon> i heard it's coming in v2.8  gord
[11:45] <diplo> to all of the above
[11:45] <diplo> It seems it's an issue with Cent4.8 not allowing it, ( don't ask about the OS Age! )
[11:45] <oimon> ah
[11:46] <diplo> Going to have to get someone to sort me a live cd and work out how to do that
[11:46] <oimon> OS should allow it on the fly
[11:46] <oimon> but ye olde OS may not
[11:46] <diplo> 4.* doesn't :(
[11:46] <diplo> Even though it was enabled in the kernel to allow it
[11:46] <oimon> i got rid of all my RH4 stuff except one
[11:46] <diplo> We are stuck, 80+ sites running it
[11:47] <diplo> And some running OS's many many many years old ( sco initial releases )
[11:47] <oimon> hack-a-day
[11:47] <oimon> this is your new job right?
[11:47] <gord> ah its already in 2.7
[11:47] <gord> i should make a ppa with that or something
[11:48] <diplo> Basically I'm not the sysadmin, there are 2-3 in our nottingham office but when ever something like this comes up it's 'Andy please can you look at this'
[11:48] <oimon> "Gimp 2.8 release scheduled on 2012 January 24"
[11:48] <diplo> :/
[11:48] <oimon> aka mugman
[11:49] <diplo> I don't complain, actually miss sysadmin a lot, would love to go back to it full time
[11:49] <oimon> gord: http://tasktaste.com/projects/Enselic/gimp-2-8
[11:51] <gord> heh, amd sponsored work for OpenCL in gimp, thats awesome
[11:53]  * brobostigon has changed from normal bitlbee to the one that uses libpurple. atleast msn works.
[11:56] <oimon> doesn't look like 2.8 will make 12.04 then :-\
[12:05] <kStar1> #6sync
[12:18] <Myrtti> anyone using irssi in tmux? which "screen_away.pl" scripts do you use?
[12:18] <brobostigon> let me look, minute.
[12:18] <diplo> Got it working oimon, live cd
[12:19] <diplo> Still a a tad scared to do it on a live customers server
[12:19] <brobostigon> 12:18:44 screen_away     /home/ptaylor/.irssi/scripts/autorun/screen_away.pl
[12:19] <oimon> diplo: cool. i reckon it's the only way with c4
[12:19] <brobostigon> Myrtti: that one, it is the same as worked in screen also.
[12:19] <diplo> We don't run the VMWare instance at our customers though, think thats going to be my major issue
[12:19] <oimon> diplo: thats the beauty of cloning a machine with vmware first
[12:19] <oimon> oh
[12:20] <diplo> yeah, it sucks :)
[12:20] <oimon> today is a blanket+scarf day in the office
[12:21] <diplo> Was mentioned about trying in rescue mode to resize
[12:21] <diplo> going to give that a go next
[12:22] <brobostigon> Myrtti: http://pastebin.com/LyhKcNeU there we go, i hope that is of some help.
[12:29] <Myrtti> brobostigon: yeah actually that is the same script I've used with my screen, but I'm looking for a one that works with tmux
[12:30] <brobostigon> Myrtti: i am using byobu with tmux here, and it seems to work.
[12:32] <brobostigon> Myrtti: i am wrong, i have been in ignorance for weeks, it doesnt work.
[12:32] <brobostigon> sorry.
[12:34] <brobostigon> Myrtti: i just found http://cybione.org/~cdidier/code/misc/tmux_away.pl
[12:35] <Myrtti> yeah, I found it as well, I was just wondering if the channel of avid tmux/byobu users would have a specific preference about the several different tmux_away.pl's, as google seems to return many results
[12:36] <brobostigon> ah i see. i would be interested also in the result.
[12:38] <brobostigon> that plugin seems to work.
[12:43] <popey> Myrtti: my vps runs 10.04 so I'm still on byobu+screen rather than tmux, ask me again in april ☺
[12:43] <brobostigon> i have the byobu ppa on my vps, and on upgrade, it changed it to tmux automaticlly from screen.
[12:44] <oimon> there seems to have been a massive upsurge in "share this when you see the optical illusion/photoshopped silly thing" on the internets
[12:44] <oimon> or find the C in the line of OOO and then tell everybody you know!
[12:45] <bigcalm> Recorded marketing call to my skype-in number. Weird when that happens
[12:45] <popey> autodiallers I guess
[12:45] <bigcalm> Aye
[12:45] <popey> i never get a single one to my sipgate number fwiw
[12:45] <popey> nobody ever calls it ☹
[12:46] <bigcalm> 'exclusively in your area'. My Skype-in number is 0121 (Birmingham) while I'm hiding north of Telford :)
[12:46] <bigcalm> Awww
[12:46] <bigcalm> And now you've moved to google hangouts
[12:46] <popey> tbh nobody actually has the number ☺
[12:47] <popey> my sipgate is actually a local number 01252
[13:09] <kirrus> o/ webpigeon_laptop
[13:27]  * oimon just remembered he brought a battenberg cake to work :D
[13:30]  * bigcalm dials all 11 digit numbers starting with 01252
[13:32] <davmor2> popey: that won't help for people trying to ring it then :P
[13:48] <oimon> precise seems sluggish to me :(
[13:50] <gord> hrm any reason why? been quite nippy for me
[13:51] <popey> oimon: do you have two screens?
[13:51] <oimon> gord: not sure. i have lucid on an identical box which admittedly is a different setup but a lot faster. seems to be a lot of delays waiting for stuff (logging in, starting software centre etc)
[13:51] <oimon> popey: no, just one
[13:52] <gord> software centre is well known to take several years to start up ;)
[13:52] <oimon> also, notice that free ram is 3.3GB although i have 64bit installed :-\
[13:52] <popey> i have that on my laptop
[13:52] <popey> chipset issue
[13:52] <popey> unfixable ☹
[13:52] <oimon> no way :S
[13:53] <oimon> weird
[13:53] <gord> very
[13:53] <oimon> better off having 32bit PAE then
[13:53] <popey> not necessarily
[13:53] <popey> but yeah, bummer
[13:53] <popey> it's an intel chipset issue or something, not a new machine
[13:54] <oimon> don't suppose there's a bug # for that?
[13:54] <popey> no, its not a bug
[13:54] <popey> its a hardware issue
[13:55] <popey> on my machine at least
[13:55] <oimon> my identical box running lucid is showing 4gb
[13:55] <popey> so likely not the same issue as me then
[13:56] <oimon> ah, not exactly identical - different cpus (and poss chipset)
[13:56] <popey> its chipset specific
[13:56] <popey> what chipset is the 3.3GB machine?
[13:58] <popey> mine is intel 945
[13:58] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/826392/
[13:59] <oimon> they are both  Intel Corporation 82G33/G31/P35/P31
[13:59] <oimon> desktop PCs
[14:03]  * oimon checks the BIOS
[14:05]  * davmor2 beats gord USC opens in under a second now on precise and then depending on your connection depends on the speed of the catalog update etc but it's getting better all the while :P
[14:06] <popey> davmor2: lies
[14:06] <popey> it takes at least 6 seconds here
[14:06] <popey> i7 8GB SSD
[14:06] <popey> so not a slouch
[14:07] <popey> on second launch it takes 4 seconds
[14:07] <popey> the window appears after 2 seconds but it's unusable so it's not fair to say it's "started"
[14:09] <davmor2> popey: Software-center is started at that point it's the catalogue update that slows it down, but that is USC's frame even orca agrees it is :P
[14:10] <davmor2> popey: the next release improves the way the catalogue update is done at that point it should give you gfx in the window quicker too,  but it's better than the 10-15 seconds it used to take
[14:10] <popey> saying it's 'started' is meaningless if you're looking at a big grey square
[14:10] <popey> yeah, it's a lot quicker
[14:29] <oimon> runnign hdparm -t on the "very similar" machines gives 55MBs vs 80MBs ...so maybe some explanation of sluggishness
[14:38] <LindaDamerell> hello - can anyone help me get my netbook Bluetooth working?
[14:39] <bigcalm> !ask | LindaDamerell
[14:43] <davmor2> LindaDamerell: what is or isn't working with it?
[14:44] <smittix> Acer is sending me a Laptop to review. I wonder if they will let me keep it
[14:44] <smittix> heh
[14:45] <davmor2> smittix: possibly they can't sell it unless they pass it on to others to review
[14:45] <LindaDamerell> in system settings it says no bluetooth adapters found
[14:46] <bigcalm> LindaDamerell: Has it been enabled in the a) the bios, b) via a key combination to turn on/off wifi/bluetooth devices?
[14:48] <DJones> LindaDamerell: Also, what model of laptop and does it dual boot with windows
[14:50] <LindaDamerell> its an Eee PC netbook from Asus with only Ubunto (no windows on it) cant find on/off key and dont know whats meant by the bios sorry
[14:51] <bigcalm> Ok, ignore the bios then :)
[14:51] <bigcalm> I have an eeepc 1000, might be similar to yours
[14:52] <popey> LindaDamerell: which specific model of Eee PC ?
[14:52] <popey> some of them don't actually have bluetooth adapters inside them at all.
[14:52] <popey> (I have one)
[14:52] <bigcalm> On my netbook, there is a blue radio mast image on the f2 key. By pressing a combination of function + f2, it allows me to turn on/off wi-fi and bluetooth
[14:53] <davmor2> LindaDamerell: ^
[14:54] <diplo> Are there any other ways of getting into rescue mode other than disc/usb etc ?
[14:57] <davmor2> diplo: hit the shift button past bios post
[14:59] <diplo> oooh will try thank you!
[15:14] <bigcalm> I need to mock up work flow diagrams. What might be a good application for this?
[15:26] <AlanBell> libreoffice draw is OK
[15:26] <AlanBell> or inkscape
[15:26] <bigcalm> Ta
[15:26] <bigcalm> I'll try out what's already install 1st ;)
[15:27] <gord> inkscape :)
[15:27] <oimon> would you believe i just had to install windows to update bios. this machine fails to boot from usb, and msdos livecd fails :(
[15:27] <gord> it has nice connectors
[15:27] <popey> yes
[15:28] <popey> (I would believe)
[15:28] <oimon> i even tried plugging another hard drive from another machine but windows endless reboot cycle..even in safe mode
[15:28]  * oimon cries 
[15:29] <davmor2> bigcalm: freemind, xmind
[15:31] <oimon> overheard my baby boy singing in his cot this morning: http://soundcloud.com/oimon/twinkle
[15:34] <oimon> bigcalm: firefox plugin called pencil too
[15:35] <bigcalm> I thought pencil was for gui design only. I'll have a look
[15:36] <bigcalm> Though I've just installed dia - might be just what I need
[15:49] <zleap> AlanBell, CD's arrived this morning,  thanks,  also sent cheque off this morning
[16:00] <smittix> davmor2: Hope so!
[16:11] <AlanBell> zleap: cool
[16:11] <zleap> np
[16:12] <zleap> can we do something similar for 12.04 please
[16:12]  * zleap has made a few stickers too,  got some sticker sheets from pound land :)
[16:13] <gord> the big HMV in my town shut down and was replaced with a pound land
[16:13] <gord> i mean, if anything says depression, its that
[16:14] <zleap> well HMV are not doing that well,  but i see your point there,
[16:14] <zleap> wel paignton has lots of charity shops and phone shops
[16:15] <AlanBell> just gone 4, must be pub time
[16:16] <AlanBell> or head slowly in the general direction of the pub time
[16:16]  * brobostigon thinks along the same lines as AlanBell :)
[16:17] <AlanBell> cask & kitchen in Pimlico if anyone is in London
[16:17] <popey> not sure what time I will get into london ☹
[16:17] <AlanBell> I have 4 eggs for you
[16:20] <oimon> i got a case for my hp tablet from 99p shop
[16:20] <oimon> i certainly spend more in there than i did in hmv
[16:21] <oimon> they sell purdeys and some very nice tinned fruit
[16:29] <zleap> when is the next podcast out,  my list of podcasts in firefox has had ep22 at the top for weeks, (or seems like it)
[16:34] <popey> we're meeting up soon to discuss when we start recording
[16:36] <zleap> thats ok, i was just asking in case i had missed something,  so it should auto update the list
[16:38] <popey> we're meeting next week
[16:40] <zleap> ok
[16:41] <zleap> thanks
[16:55] <oimon> popey: FYI i updated the BIOS (long story involving install MSDOS on drive) ..and now 4GB shows in "free"
[16:58] <popey> yay
[16:58] <oimon> maybe my machine might go faster in other areas too :D
[16:58] <popey> sadly mine is unfixable
[16:58] <oimon> a lesser mortal might have given up
[16:58] <bigcalm> Revo?
[16:58] <oimon> bigcalm: who?
[16:58] <oimon> mine is a desktop
[16:59] <bigcalm> I wondered if popey was referring to the Revo
[16:59] <bigcalm> Mine won't see more than 3.5gb
[16:59] <popey> nope
[16:59] <popey> neither will mine
[16:59] <czajkowski> popey: still on for drinks
[16:59] <popey> trying
[16:59] <kvarley> With tar how do I change to a directory and then tar the entire contents of the directory I just changed it with the -C option?
[16:59] <popey> wifey had to go into work early because her co-worker was off ill
[17:00] <popey> so she's going to be very tired when she comes in
[17:00] <popey> and the kids need feeding and bathing
[17:07] <czajkowski> popey: table is booked under LAura, have CC meeting till 6 then pegging it up, dominc and others will be there
[17:12] <AlanBell> no table booked for laura
[17:12] <czajkowski> there is
[17:12] <czajkowski> for 6pm
[17:12] <czajkowski> for 8 people
[17:15] <tonytiger> Anyone know what's up with the ubuntu-uk.org server? Can't connect via SSH or HTTP
[17:16] <Azelphur> tonytiger: I'm gonna guess crashed and needs a hard reboot, the ssh port is closed (connection refused) HTTP is open but unresponsive
[17:16] <Azelphur> and it responds to ping
[17:17] <tonytiger> Needs someone with console access then.
[17:17] <czajkowski> Ubuntu-uk isnt hosted by canonical so they cant restart it
[17:18] <popey> o/
[17:19] <popey> /dev/xvda1 has gone 238 days without being checked, check forced.
[17:19] <popey> Your disk drives are being checked for errors, this may take some time
[17:20] <tonytiger> It's a bitfolk VPS
[17:20]  * popey is on it
[17:20] <tonytiger> k
[17:20] <czajkowski> popey: thanks
[17:20] <bigcalm> Is that why it broke?
[17:21] <bigcalm> Find somewhere else to sit
[17:22] <popey> i blame apache
[17:22] <tonytiger> "I'll switch it to lighttpd one day"
[17:22] <bigcalm> That's racist</meme>
[17:22] <popey> yeah, thats probably going to be tomorrow
[17:22] <bigcalm> Heh
[17:22] <popey> should be back
[17:23] <bigcalm> That it be
[17:23] <tonytiger> Creeps in this petty pace
[17:24] <bigcalm> Hehe "An image of the UK". That's a giggle
[17:24] <bigcalm> That's a lot of Morgans
[17:24] <bigcalm> I wonder if the house is in Malvern as well
[17:51] <ahayzen> Hi Guys is the official Ubuntu-UK G+ page? https://plus.google.com/u/0/110834053865602900585/posts
[17:51] <popey> yes
[17:52] <ahayzen> popey: Thx ... just getting used to G+ ;)
[18:16] <AlanBell> I may have arrived at the pub a fraction early
[18:17] <issyl0> AlanBell: Pub?
[18:17] <AlanBell> czajkowski is here
[18:18] <issyl0> Aahh.
[18:18] <issyl0> London?
[18:28]  * bigcalm toodles off to make dinner before panic sets in over chairing the channel meeting
[18:31] <davmor2> AlanBell: prod her and tell her it's a proxy prod from me
[18:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Gareth France] Will 2012 be the year of Linux? - http://cliftonts.co.uk/cubuntu/?p=72
[18:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Q+A Videocast Today - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/02/01/ubuntu-qa-videocast-today/
[18:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Iain Cuthbertson] Symfony 1.4 Doctrine 1.2 MS SQL Server - http://www.myrant.net/2012/02/02/symfony-1-4-doctrine-1-2-ms-sql-server/
[18:37] <AlanBell> davmor2: poked
[18:37] <davmor2> AlanBell: Yay now she will have that look of thunder and now way to let it go :D
[18:42] <ali1234> should i opt out of this NHS Summary Care Record thing?
[18:43] <seeker> I didn't
[18:43] <seeker> At least, I think that was what I didn't opt out of
[18:45] <AlanBell> popey: o/
[18:48] <davmor2> AlanBell: surely you can wave at him there you don't need to do it here?
[18:55] <AlanBell> he isn't here yet
[19:27] <cliftonts> Is it just me or is it COLD??
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> cliftonts: it's just you
[19:28] <Azelphur> yea, apparently it's -9
[19:28] <cliftonts> O
[19:28] <cliftonts> lol
[19:28] <cliftonts> Where abouts are you Azelphur?
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: I went for a run in that yesterday.. did 11km/hr instead of the 10/hr I normally do :)
[19:28] <Azelphur> Margate
[19:28] <Azelphur> haha
[19:28] <cliftonts> Really?
[19:28] <cliftonts> I have family there
[19:28] <cliftonts> I'm near London
[19:29] <Azelphur> :)
[19:29] <Azelphur> used to live in bromley but moved out here a few years ago
[19:29] <cliftonts> I'm planning on moving there but not for a few years yet
[19:30] <cliftonts> right now though I'm battling the evil gay pre-payment meter. It's a case of balancing lack of cash against comfort
[19:31] <Azelphur> haha
[19:31] <cliftonts> I'm losing the battle, just turned it up a few notches
[19:33] <Azelphur> cliftonts: if I get cold I just go stand in the bitcoin room
[19:33] <cliftonts> bitcoin room?
[19:34] <Azelphur> cliftonts: 8 computers all running flat out, generates a little under 2kw of heat
[19:34] <cliftonts> Ah yes, well if I had that my pre-pay elec meter would get very hungry!
[19:34] <Azelphur> haha
[19:35] <Azelphur> cliftonts: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/May%202011/IMG_20110520_150522.jpg / http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/May%202011/IMG_20110525_034107.jpg
[19:35] <gordonjcp> cliftonts: get rid of the pre-pay meter
[19:36] <cliftonts> gordonjcp: Only if you'll pay the £1,500 I owe npower. They won't remove them until it's paid!
[19:36] <gordonjcp> cliftonts: take out a bank loan to clear it
[19:37] <cliftonts> A quick question. I'm installing ubuntu onto machine I'm going to sell at the comp fair this weekend. But the machine I'm working on now is too low spec to run reasonably even on xubuntu. Any suggestions for something reliable and easy to use on a low end system?
[19:37] <gordonjcp> the interest on the loan will be roughly the same as the savings you get from not using pre-pay
[19:37] <cliftonts> gordonjcp: What do you think the credit rating of someone who can run up that kind of arrears is like?
[19:37] <gordonjcp> cliftonts: it's only 1500 quid
[19:38] <cliftonts> only?
[19:38] <gordonjcp> banks are pissing themselves to give away loans right now
[19:38]  * Myrtti just smiles at the discussion about cold
[19:38] <cliftonts> gordonjcp: Not to me they're not
[19:39] <Azelphur> gordonjcp: they are...wat?
[19:39] <cliftonts> I had to go to EVERY bank in town just to find one willing to give me a business account with no overdraft or lending
[19:39] <Azelphur> gordonjcp: isn't it like, the exact opposite atm?
[19:39] <Myrtti> cliftonts: lubuntu?
[19:40] <cliftonts> Myrtti: Does that run noticably better than xubuntu then? I tried it once and couldn't even get it to boot
[19:40] <Myrtti> cliftonts: well it is somewhat more lightweight that xubuntu
[19:41] <cliftonts> I'll give it a go then
[19:41] <gordonjcp> Azelphur: I get phoned up by them at least twice a week wanting me to borrow more money
[19:42] <gordonjcp> Azelphur: even banks I don't have accounts with want me to set up loans
[19:42] <gordonjcp> half my post is stuff about bank loans
[19:42] <cliftonts> gordonjcp: As the only credit worthy citizen of Britain I beg of you to take out a loan to cover my bills. lol
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> cliftonts: that's called issuing bonds.
[19:43] <cliftonts> This is the problem though, we are in a 2 tier society. Some are being smothered in credit whilst others, like me, are left to fend for themselves
[19:44] <gordonjcp> cliftonts: if you're clearing your debts, you're credit-worthy
[19:44] <Azelphur> \o/
[19:45] <gordonjcp> cliftonts: it doesn't matter if you still *have* debts, the fact that you're paying them off really improves things
[19:45] <cliftonts> gordonjcp: Try telling the banks that. I'm credit worthy in so far as nobody will touch me with a barge pole
[19:45] <cliftonts> Not even wonga.com! Now that's bad!
[19:46] <gordonjcp> cliftonts: get a landline phone number, get on the electoral register
[19:46] <cliftonts> check and check
[19:46] <gordonjcp> and start making some payments, even a tenner a month, to everything you owe money on
[19:46] <cliftonts> Every penny I have is divvied out by standing order every week
[19:46] <cliftonts> has been for ages
[19:46] <gordonjcp> shouldn't take more than a few months for your credit rating to start to come up
[19:47] <cliftonts> gordonjcp: I don't mean to be rude but you appear to be living on another planet
[19:47] <gordonjcp> but pre-pay meters are a serious ripoff
[19:47] <gordonjcp> cliftonts: been there, done that
[19:47] <cliftonts> yes, they are. And I fought them off for as long as I could
[19:47] <cliftonts> but the alternative is they go to court and get an order allowing them to break in and fit them
[19:48] <cliftonts> at least this way I get to keep my door!
[19:48] <gordonjcp> cliftonts: at one point I had the electricity company just disconnect the pre-pay meter, and ran a diesel genny
[19:48] <gordonjcp> far cheaper
[19:48] <cliftonts> lol
[19:48] <cliftonts> well good for you. I've gone on a strict regime of cutting back on usage
[19:49] <cliftonts> I now know much more about how I use things and what it costs than ever before. I'm even converting to LED lighting
[19:51] <cliftonts> I'm not 100% convinced it would be cheaper on diesel these days though. Haven't you noticed? EVERYTHING costs a bloody fortune at the moment!
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> !politics
[19:58] <cliftonts> Right, time to see if lubuntu has what it takes
[20:01] <DJones> cliftonts: Just for info, I put lubuntu on an old laptop at the weekend, 512Mb ram, no specialised graphics etc, and its pretty nippy
[20:02] <cliftonts> DJones: I'm not sure what spec the machine I'm working with is. The Xubuntu live disc runs so slow it'd take me at least an hour to navigate that far!
[20:03] <DJones> This was a dell d400 http://reviews.cnet.com/laptops/dell-latitude-d400-series/4507-3121_7-21207517.html for compaison
[20:03] <cliftonts> Well I'm burning to disc now so we'll know soon
[20:05] <directhex> i had a d410
[20:06] <directhex> i loved that freaking thing
[20:07] <cliftonts> I had a D400 recently I think
[20:07] <DJones> directhex: I never saw one of those, but I'm assuming it was as near to a netbook as you can get like the 400, while still being a laptop
[20:07] <DJones> Looks about the same size
[20:08] <cliftonts> Ok, here goes
[20:08] <DJones> But much better quality from what I can see
[20:09] <directhex> DJones, 12" pentium-m laptop
[20:12] <cliftonts> Well the boot is damn slow! lol
[20:14] <bigcalm> Is anybody free to chair tonight meeting? I am swamped with work
[20:16] <cliftonts> DJones: I'm not convinced this is going to do it. It's still booting!
[20:18] <bigcalm> Gary: hope you've had a totally gay day!
[20:19] <cliftonts> Who was it who recommended lubuntu to me? I can't remember
[20:29] <cliftonts> Success!
[20:39] <DJones> cliftonts: Can you tell what the spec of the machine is now its got an o/s on it
[20:39] <cliftonts> DJones: The machine never booted. I managed to get a cursor on the screen but the rest of the screen remained black then it crashed
[20:40] <cliftonts> I'm using another machine now, but all the machines I've got here are too low spec for Ubuntu or Xubuntu
[20:41] <DJones> Doesn't sound good for the prospects of it
[20:41] <gordonjcp> cliftonts: how low spec are they?
[20:42] <DJones> You could maybe look at this http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/
[20:42] <cliftonts> gordonjcp I'm not 100% sure, I've got a lot of systems here and I lose track of which is which but we're probably looking at about 512mb ram
[20:42] <cliftonts> DJones: I don't want to use anything like DSL because I'm selling them on and I find that when things go wrong on D
[20:43] <cliftonts> DSL you need to KNOW what you are doing
[20:44] <gordonjcp> 512 ought to be just about enough
[20:44] <gordonjcp> what about CPU?
[20:44] <cliftonts> just about, yes
[20:44] <cliftonts> I don't know. I'm not familiar with lubuntu, I'm just figuring out where everything is, hang on a min
[20:46] <cliftonts> P4 1.9ghz, 768mb ish ram,
[20:46] <cliftonts> so this one's not too bad
[20:46] <gordonjcp> well my laptop is a Celeron M 1.86GHz with 1G of RAM
[20:46] <gordonjcp> and it runs Ubuntu just fine
[20:46] <gordonjcp> bloody quick actually
[20:47] <gordonjcp> I use the 2d desktop because it has Intel graphics
[20:47] <cliftonts> gordonjcp: I had a batch of HP machines recently which reasonable specs which refused to run ubuntu at reasonable speed yet kubuntu was fine
[20:47] <cliftonts> I find they tend to be illogical like that sometimes
[20:47] <gordonjcp> weird
[20:48] <gordonjcp> this is an HP laptop, I'm running an HP desktop
[20:48] <cliftonts> just go with whatever the system likes, don't argue with it
[20:48] <gordonjcp> the desktop for some reason really does not like the 3D desktop
[20:48] <gordonjcp> again, Intel graphics, so it's not really supported in Linux
[20:49] <cliftonts> the problem I think is when you've got tons of ram, drive space and processing power you don't notice if something is slightly off
[20:49] <cliftonts> but when everything is to the wire, if one thing doesn't like it the whole system slows down
[20:49] <cliftonts> I understand the HP systems has an issue with graphics drivers
[20:56] <DJones> cliftonts: I've found that newer intels are ok, I've got 2 at home and they work fine with Ubuntu & unity, but as you say, these are 4Gb ram, so if something is off, its not noticable
[20:58] <cliftonts> DJones: Exactly, these HPs were ok with 1gb ram, I did sell one with ubuntu on but the others had 760mb or 512mb and just couldn't hack it.
[20:58] <DJones> These 2 machines are < 12 months old as well
[20:58] <AlanBell> hello
[20:58] <DJones> Evening eggsnatcher
[20:59] <cliftonts> No matter. I've got a new supplier who'll be doing me laptops anyway
[20:59] <AlanBell> meeting time in a sec
[20:59] <cliftonts> Hey Alan, do you know if you'll be stopping by my place on Sat or Sun?
[20:59]  * AlanBell has had several adult beverages
[20:59] <cliftonts> good plan!
[20:59] <AlanBell> saturday cliftonts
[21:00] <cliftonts> Cool, I'll leave the door unlocked so you can just put the discs in the porch, ok?#
[21:00] <bigcalm> AlanBell: I'm still working, sorry I can't chair tonight
[21:00]  * AlanBell heads over to #ubuntu-uk-meeting
[21:00] <bigcalm> Thanks, sorry
[21:01] <AlanBell> ok
[21:01] <cliftonts> Thanks for that, much appreciated
[21:03] <cliftonts> Don't you just love it when you spend 15 mins stripping a system out of a knackered case only to find the new one is too small?
[21:13]  * AlanBell whips out a big one in the pub
[21:14] <AlanBell> laptop > phone
[21:18] <djbenny> evening
[21:18] <zleap> evening
[21:18] <zleap> just watched the 12,04 alpha 2 video,  rather impressive
[21:19] <djbenny> where is viewable from?
[21:21] <cliftonts> djbenny: omgubuntu.co.uk
[21:22] <cliftonts> I'm just about to install it myself
[21:22] <djbenny> cheers
[21:23] <cliftonts> np
[21:25] <djbenny> ah yeah just seen it now
[21:25] <djbenny> looking good
[21:25] <djbenny> still wish there was a simple option to get rid of the workspace switcher
[21:26] <cliftonts> I haven't seen the vid but I tried to install the HUD and my install hasn't booted since!
[21:26] <djbenny> unless im being stupid...
[21:26] <cliftonts> So I'm hoping a reinstall will fix that
[21:26] <djbenny> ahh
[21:26] <djbenny> yeah thats no good
[21:26] <cliftonts> djbenny: I think the finishing touches like that will be added in time. I bet there's a way in dconf or something like that
[21:28] <cliftonts> http://askubuntu.com/questions/38789/remove-the-workspace-switcher-launcher-from-unity-launcher
[21:28] <djbenny> ahh well i cant be bothered with all that stuff, should just be easy option
[21:28] <cliftonts> djbenny: There you go
[21:28] <djbenny> lol
[21:28] <cliftonts> Agreed but it's still a very young system remember
[21:29] <djbenny> ahh ive done that already and it didnt work
[21:30] <cliftonts> fair enough
[21:30]  * AlanBell haz beer, night all o/
[21:30] <cliftonts> bye alan
[21:30] <djbenny> bye
[21:31] <zleap> I can see the idea of the login background changer causing issues
[21:31] <cliftonts> why's that?
[21:31] <zleap> what happens if you have a rather risque image as your desktop background
[21:31] <cliftonts> well, if the login displays your background.....choose with caution
[21:32] <zleap> exactly
[21:32] <djbenny> haha
[21:32] <cliftonts> but why would that be a problem? Anyone who can see your background when logging in still has eyes when you've logged in
[21:32] <djbenny> im sure you dont have to have that?
[21:34] <zleap> it could be good for people who have admin accounts on business systems, as it could display a warning
[21:34] <zleap> i know some really old systems did that, had a red background screen with skulls and crossbones, to remind you that being root could be dangerous
[21:34] <cliftonts> well, I'm off to install 12.04. brb
[21:34] <djbenny> yeahs true
[21:35] <djbenny> zleap: yup we had that on a few systems i used at university
[21:36] <zleap> may download at some point and have a look
[21:36] <zleap> i like the look of that 0AD rts game too
[21:37] <djbenny> yeah, ive only got a netbook though not sure it can handle much more
[21:37] <djbenny> hedgewars struggles lol
[21:39] <zleap> hmm
[21:39] <zleap> my dell netbook plays open arena nicely
[21:39] <djbenny> ahh well mines 4 years old now
[21:41] <zleap> i have a mini 10fv
[21:41] <zleap> mini 10v
[21:41] <djbenny> ahh i have a toshiba nb200
[21:42] <zleap> not sure what the spec of that is
[21:42] <djbenny> 1.8ghz,2gb 160gb
[21:42] <djbenny> single core
[21:44] <zleap> that should play open arena nicely
[21:44] <zleap> dell 10v has 1gb ram I think
[21:44] <djbenny> ahh well i dont really have time to play games lol
[21:44] <zleap> ah
[21:45] <djbenny> always working >.<
[21:46] <djbenny> 5am to 8pm monday to friday, then travelling in the weekend lol
[21:46] <zleap> ouch
[21:46] <djbenny> yup
[21:46] <zleap> i am looking for more hours at the moment
[21:46] <zleap> 4 hours a week at an after school club
[21:46] <djbenny> joys of being IT support
[21:46] <djbenny> lol
[21:47] <djbenny> was looking at installing ubuntu on my phone
[21:47] <djbenny> its more powerful than my netbook
[21:49] <zleap> cool
[21:49] <djbenny> seen instructions for it, although it doesnt look straight forward
[21:50] <zleap> i was trying to create a custom open disc but kinda started now project is more on hold
[21:50] <djbenny> guess not much it
[21:50] <zleap> this is where user group meetings are handy
[21:50] <zleap> you canget help from others
[21:50] <djbenny> true
[21:53] <djbenny> right im off up in a got to wake up in a few hours to get to work..
[21:53] <jacobw> evening
[22:22] <swat_> hmmm, precise upgrade seems to want to remove a lot of packages :/
[22:23] <ubuntubhoy> and install a lot of new ones
[22:23] <ubuntubhoy> and update a lot of others
[22:24] <swat_> yeah, it's the removals that concern me
[22:24] <swat_> like why does it want to strip out unity 2d?
[22:25] <directhex> 2d is for nerds and losers?
[22:26] <jacobw> 2d is for flat earthers
[22:26] <ubuntubhoy> 2d is for one eyed people
[22:28] <swat_> that's not particularly helpful :)
[22:29] <swat_> it wants to remove the update manager too
[22:29] <ubuntubhoy> thats handy
[22:30] <jacobw> it sounds as if the packages are broken
[22:30] <jacobw> or your packages are broken
[22:30] <jacobw> are you upgrading precise or upgrading to precise?
[22:33] <ali1234> "Your system does not contain a ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-desktop or edubuntu-desktop package and it was not possible to detect which version of Ubuntu you are running.
[22:33] <ali1234>  Please install one of the packages above first using synaptic or apt-get before proceeding."
[22:33] <jacobw> lol
[22:33] <ali1234> -_-
[22:33] <ali1234> i'm guessing that is somehow related
[22:33] <ali1234> "The package 'ubuntu-desktop' is marked for removal but it is in the removal blacklist."
[22:34] <ali1234> so yeah, like it says "Please try again later"
[22:34] <cliftonts> why doesn't 12.04 want to play nicely with me?
[22:34] <ali1234> looks like temporary breakage
[22:34] <ali1234> see above
[22:35] <cliftonts> The A2 CD refuses to install, it gets past the partitioner then says 'removing conflicting system files' What it really means is 'removing grub then doing sod all!'
[22:36] <directhex> grub is for girls. manly men poke their RAm with a battery until the system boots
[22:36] <ali1234> well i dunno abut that
[22:36] <ali1234> try a daily image?
[22:36] <swat_> jacobw: upgrading precise
[22:36] <cliftonts> shouldn't the A2 be pretty close to the daily image right now?
[22:36] <directhex> ali1234, sounds like glib breakage
[22:37] <cliftonts> I just installed 11.10 and it won't let me upgrade either. Looks like it can't resolve the dependancies
[22:37] <jacobw> cliftonts: have you tried stopping the installer and running grub-install manually?
[22:37] <cliftonts> I've got a weird issue though with my mouse which really makes no sense at all
[22:38] <cliftonts> jacobw: no I just reinstalled 11.10
[22:39] <directhex> precise is totally broken right now, until updated gtk+ lands
[22:39] <cliftonts> ok, see if you can wrap your head round this. I have 2 installs on my machine, 11.10 which works fine and I had 12.04 where the trackpad works for under 5 mins then conks out
[22:40] <ali1234> that old chestnut
[22:40] <cliftonts> I wasn't too bothered but I've replaced it with a fresh 11.10 install, root partition formatted, home not. Now 11.10 is doing the same thing
[22:40] <ali1234> bug 868400
[22:40] <cliftonts> But my OTHER 11.10 is fine
[22:41] <cliftonts> lubotu3: But why is 11.10 doing it too now?
[22:41] <ali1234> it's a timeout issue
[22:41] <ali1234> and i'm pretty sure its been fixed once
[22:42] <ali1234> there's a workaround you can use on one of the bug reports
[22:42] <ali1234> possibly one of the dupes
[22:42] <cliftonts> I remember having it some time ago yes
[22:42] <cliftonts> But why is one install ok and another, fresh from the same disc not?
[22:43] <ali1234> how can you install 11.10 and 12.04 from the same disc?
[22:43] <cliftonts> ali1234: I wiped 12.04 because it's deader than dead. The root partition was formatted, the home wasn't and I put 11.10 in it's place, intending to upgrade to 12.04
[22:44] <cliftonts> surely that means the cause of the problem must be in my home partition?
[22:44] <ali1234> right
[22:45] <cliftonts> .....somewhere
[22:45] <cliftonts> any suggestions on what may be the culprit?
[22:45] <ali1234> read the bug comments
[22:45] <ali1234> i can't remember how you fix it. it's some gnome settings
[22:45] <cliftonts> will do
[22:46] <jacobw> first tets that is a problem with your home directory by creating a new user
[22:46] <ali1234> something like "mouse.autodisable = false" or something
[22:46] <jacobw> *test
[22:46] <cliftonts> I like your thinking jacobw
[22:46] <cliftonts> I'll brb then
[22:47] <cliftonts> ubuntu is trying to get clever
[22:48] <cliftonts> it didn't want me to set a short password. I'll decide what is acceptable thank you!
[22:48] <cliftonts> brb then
[22:51] <cliftonts> interesting...
[22:53] <cliftonts> I now have a fully functioning trackpad
[22:55] <Gary> bigcalm: I have that!
[22:55] <Gary> thank you
[22:55] <jacobw> you may save time by moving your files to the new user's home and removing the old user
[22:55] <bigcalm> Gary: yay, and a Happy Birthday to you too :)
[22:56] <cliftonts> jacobw: time yes but I'd like to know what's causing it
[22:58] <cliftonts> ok, I'm switching back
[22:59] <cliftonts> so when will this gtk issue be sorted then?
[23:00] <directhex> within hours, i'd guess
[23:00] <cliftonts> cool, I'd love to have a play around with this hud thing
[23:01] <cliftonts> I fixed my trackpad! I think it's a compiz issue
[23:02] <jacobw> read the bug report ;)
[23:02] <jacobw> what is your gtk issue?
[23:03] <cliftonts> I dunno, someone just said precise won't install until 'the gtk+ issue' is resolved
[23:04] <jacobw> who is the fool on the microphone in question time right now :|
[23:04] <cliftonts> erm.. I'll just load iplayer
[23:05] <jacobw> oh, the gtk issue is the broken packages
[23:05] <jacobw> these things happens in the alpha stage of the development cycle
[23:05] <cliftonts> just for once I'd like a pre-release version to work, just for a bit
[23:06] <cliftonts> I know
[23:06]  * jacobw points to debian's 'constantly usable testing'
[23:07] <jacobw> i shouldn't watch question time, it just makes me angry
[23:07] <directhex> jacobw,  2 turntables and a microphone?
[23:07] <directhex> that's what bbcqt needs. rap battles
[23:07] <cliftonts> I remember way back when being able to install and use the pre-release versions. Ok everything crashed a lot and updating was 'interesting' but now they don't even install
[23:08] <jacobw> ha, the tories would go for it
[23:08] <directhex> bottles & cans & just clap your hands & just clap your haaaaaands
[23:08] <directhex> WHERE IT'S AT!
[23:08] <directhex> i got 2 turntables and a microphooooone!
[23:08] <cliftonts> I hate beck
[23:08] <directhex> WHERE IT'S AT!
[23:08] <directhex> i got 2 turntables and a microphooooone!
[23:09] <directhex> hm, how to get more annoying from bold/colored
[23:09] <cliftonts> what?
[23:10] <jacobw> i didn't get the bold or the coloured :(
[23:10] <cliftonts> nor me
[23:10] <jacobw> meh
[23:11] <directhex> ... this channel strips colors?
[23:11] <ali1234> i'm pretty sure all of freenode does
[23:11] <cliftonts> well that's just boring
[23:11] <jacobw> ++freenode
[23:11] <ali1234> at the very it does by default, unless you change a setting on the channel
[23:11] <directhex> freeeeeeeenoooooooooooooode!
[23:12] <directhex> http://khaaan.com/
[23:12] <cliftonts> what are these morons on the bbc going on about?
[23:13] <jacobw> lol
[23:15] <jacobw> gov.uk is awesome
[23:15] <cliftonts> ??
[23:15] <jacobw> its the replacement for directgov.uk
[23:16] <jacobw> direct.gov.uk even
[23:16] <cliftonts> I wasn't aware there was one, or that we needed one
[23:18] <cliftonts> damnit!
[23:18] <cliftonts> they finished filming the new series of red dwarf in front of live audiences last week AND NOBODY EVEN TOLD ME IT WAS HAPPENING!
[23:19] <jacobw> RSS is a good thing
[23:19] <directhex> cliftonts, after the last one though... :/
[23:20] <cliftonts> apparently it's supposed to be back on top form
[23:20] <cliftonts> we'll see towards the end of the year
[23:23] <cliftonts> looks like precise is back up again
[23:26] <czajkowski> aloha
[23:28] <jacobw> hey
[23:30] <jacobw> lightning bug is such a great app
[23:30] <cliftonts> what's that?
[23:31] <jacobw> its an alarm clock application, that runs in the foreground and plays background noise
[23:31] <jacobw> for example, my phone is now producing the sound of a beach at night with waves crashing on the shore and birds making noises
[23:31] <cliftonts> lol fair enough
[23:32] <jacobw> at 0600 i'll be woken up by the birds waking up
[23:32] <cliftonts> what platform is it on?
[23:32] <jacobw> android
[23:33] <cliftonts> cool. I'll check it out then
[23:33] <jacobw> there's various themes, i'm using 'beach at night' but you use 'new york city' or the simple 'whitenoise' themes
[23:35] <cliftonts> could not be downloaded due to an error -101
[23:37] <jacobw> wifi
[23:38] <cliftonts> I'm on wifi
[23:38] <cliftonts> I think I was out of space
[23:39] <cliftonts> I think this would just annoy me by the sound of it
[23:41] <jacobw> i like background noises
[23:41] <jacobw> anyhow, 0600 is quite soon
[23:41] <jacobw> goodnight
[23:41] <cliftonts> I don't like these background noises lol
[23:41] <cliftonts> night
[23:59] <directhex> hm. picking a wardrobe is such hard work