[00:26] <tjagoda> Holy crap
[00:27] <tjagoda> I'm watching the Star Trek TNG remastered sampler disc
[00:27] <tjagoda> So so so clear and crisp
[00:27] <tjagoda> Did not know that film from the 80's could be composited this clear
[01:15] <rick_h> snap-l: http://muffinresearch.co.uk/archives/2010/10/15/fake-smtp-server-with-python/ is the type of thing
[01:15] <rick_h> but that's not exactly it
[01:15] <rick_h> http://bytes.com/topic/python/answers/663879-smtp-server-simulation-using-python
[01:17] <rick_h> https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=fake+smtp+server+write+to+file+testing+#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&source=hp&q=fake+smtp+server+write+to+file+testing+python&pbx=1&oq=fake+smtp+server+write+to+file+testing+python&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=29947l30639l0l30829l7l7l0l0l0l0l144l832l0.7l7l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&fp=202a1680c10bcd1a&biw=1278&bih=691
[01:17] <rick_h> ouch
[02:32] <rick_h> https://github.com/apresta/tagger
[02:44] <rick_h> http://code.google.com/p/autotags
[02:47] <Blazeix> ah nice, I don't think i've seen that before
[02:48] <rick_h> yea, just found that one
[02:48] <rick_h> stuff to play with
[02:50] <tjagoda> And then rick_h closes his browser in sadness, as the project is hosted on github instead of launchpad
[02:50] <rick_h> heh
[02:50] <tjagoda> and he is contractually obligated to not use it
[03:44] <rick_h> OMG! kernel update finally fixed my second display off my dock!
[03:45] <rick_h> YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY!
[03:45] <Blazeix> nice!
[03:45] <rick_h> now, keep it in portrait or do three full wide displays?
[03:45] <snap-l> rick_h: IT was the keys that did it. :)
[03:46] <Blazeix> i'm thinking you should put them in tiefighter mode
[03:46] <Blazeix> []==[]
[03:46] <rick_h> hah!
[03:46] <rick_h> I was thinking that my other display, on the desktop I run in synergy would work well in portrait since it's usually just irc/twitter
[03:47] <rick_h> stacked on top like that
[03:48] <tjagoda> Go big
[03:48] <tjagoda> buy more displays
[03:48] <tjagoda> EYEFINITY 6!
[03:48] <tjagoda> 4 Portraits 2 horizontals
[03:48] <rick_h> I have been tempted to try stacked two  displays on top of each other
[03:49] <tjagoda> I thought about that once, but I dislike all the vertical motion
[03:55] <tjagoda> http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/405782_3249689601391_1241499697_3474482_1125725368_n.jpg
[03:56] <tjagoda> Kids, if you dont make your bed, the zombies will literally kill you
[03:59] <rick_h> Blazeix: is there an awesome shortcut to make an app show on all tags?
[03:59] <rick_h> I know you can pick specific additional ones
[04:02] <rick_h> Blazeix: so ctrl-shift-meta # will overlap an app onto that tag as well
[04:12] <Blazeix> hm, not that I know of
[04:14] <Blazeix> though it looks pretty easy to make one in rc.lua, just copying off of ctrl-shift-meta #
[04:14] <rick_h> yea, looking at it now
[04:14] <rick_h> moved the shortcut to just ctrl-meta-#
[04:14] <rick_h> and yea, should be able to add a special script command there
[11:00] <mydogsnameisrudy> morning
[11:44] <snap-l> blargh
[11:44] <snap-l> which, loosley translated, means "morning"
[11:45] <mydogsnameisrudy> liking your case still?
[11:46] <snap-l> Yeah, I haven't had a chance to move the components yet.
[11:46] <mydogsnameisrudy> new build or using old system
[11:46] <snap-l> Probably won't get a chance until this weekend
[11:46] <snap-l> Old system, new case
[11:46] <mydogsnameisrudy> oke
[11:47] <rick_h> morning
[11:48] <snap-l> morning, rick_h
[11:48] <mydogsnameisrudy> blargh
[11:48] <mydogsnameisrudy> ;)
[11:48] <snap-l> mydogsnameisrudy: Ah, that's an improper usage
[11:48] <mydogsnameisrudy> doh my bad
[11:48] <snap-l> it's only for before 6:45am that you would use blargh
[11:49] <mydogsnameisrudy> ic good to know
[11:49] <snap-l> between 6:45am and 7:00am, it's "feh"
[11:50] <snap-l> Tricky language to get the hang of
[11:50] <snap-l> has about 100 ways to say "morning"
[11:50] <snap-l> but none for "good morning"
[11:51] <snap-l> And with that, I think I'm awake enough to get started with the day.
[11:51] <snap-l> brb
[13:04] <brousch> i jinxed my kid
[13:04] <brousch> he puked for the first time last night
[13:06] <rick_h> ruh roh
[13:07] <brousch> nasty stuff
[13:07] <brousch> i figured it was my cooking, but turns out something is going around daycare
[13:08] <rick_h> gotta love it
[13:21] <brousch> now i'm paranoid i will get it
[13:21] <rick_h> basically count on it
[13:28] <brousch> oh man, you need to get me a pycon shirt when you're there
[13:31] <brousch> http://gazit.me/2012/02/01/iterations.html
[13:34] <rick_h> brousch: sure thing
[13:34] <rick_h> brousch: just remind me and let me know what size. I think they sell extras (don't recall for sure)
[13:35] <rick_h> last year they had some extras at the sprints
[13:35] <brousch> ok
[13:42] <snap-l> 'allo again
[13:42] <rick_h> party
[13:42] <snap-l> Oh, that's a nice design
[13:43] <brousch> rick_h: better bring an extra suitcase to carry all the shirts back
[13:43] <rick_h> hah! UPS store baby!
[13:44] <snap-l> Yeah, $25 for an extra bag means you can justify a VERY large box.
[13:46] <brousch> or you could give away your clothes to homeless people and use that bag
[13:56] <Wolfger> morning
[13:57] <snap-l> Wolfger: yo
[13:57] <Wolfger> Anybody here do MichiPUG? I'm contemplating getting off my arse tonight.
[13:57] <Wolfger> I probably won't, but I'm thinking about it :-p
[13:58] <snap-l> I'd recommend it
[13:58] <snap-l> it's a good group
[13:58] <Wolfger> good to know
[13:58] <snap-l> I'm not going to be able to make it (agai)
[13:58] <snap-l> got an interview with Jono for Severed Fifth tonight
[13:58] <snap-l> (yay me)
[13:58] <Wolfger> yay
[13:59] <rick_h> Wolfger: go, python koans will be good for you
[13:59] <snap-l> Hoping to have it up tonight
[13:59] <rick_h> do it!
[13:59] <rick_h> snap-l: awesome!
[13:59] <snap-l> Yeah, Python Koans are pretty cool
[13:59]  * snap-l should have lead with that. ;)
[14:05] <Wolfger> What's the parking like around SRT? Any idea?
[14:05] <rick_h> Heh, varies
[14:05] <snap-l> There's at least one structure
[14:05] <rick_h> yea, there's one structure a block over and down
[14:05] <snap-l> IT's a few blocks over.
[14:05] <rick_h> there's a parking lot one block past SRT
[14:05] <rick_h> across from the post office if the construction is over, jrwren ?
[14:05] <snap-l> Is that still there?
[14:05] <rick_h> he'd know the latest/greatest news
[14:06] <rick_h> snap-l: think so, it was just blocked by construction and you could only get in the back way the next street over I thought
[14:06] <rick_h> which made it further than the parking structure
[14:06] <rick_h> Wolfger: and there's on the street parking as you can get it. THink the metering stops at 6 or 6:30pm?
[14:06] <rick_h> again, jrwren should know, he was a bit street parker
[14:07] <snap-l> I'll be so happy when the superbowl is over so my inbox can return to somewhat normal
[14:07] <snap-l> every fucking restaurant I've subscribed to has some special going on
[14:07] <rick_h> I'll be happy when the elections are over and my social networks can return to normal
[14:08] <snap-l> rick_h: That too
[14:08] <rick_h> no one gets my email!
[14:08] <snap-l> I eagerly await the phone calls
[14:09] <snap-l> and by phone calls, I mean the idiot celebrity endorsements.
[14:09] <snap-l> robocalls
[14:09] <snap-l> rick_h: Heh, I'm a whore for coupons
[14:10] <rick_h> I get mugged at Kroger since I refuse to do their damn "membership card"
[14:10] <snap-l> I won't shop there because of that
[14:10] <krondor> meijer ftw
[14:10] <rick_h> "what?! you don't have a card, why...that load of bread could be on sale!"
[14:10] <brousch> yeah, go to meijers
[14:10] <rick_h> yea, but mejier == down the hwy and kroger is across the street
[14:10] <brousch> you buy bread buy the load?!
[14:10] <rick_h> so weekly big trips are meijer, but short need things are kroger across the street
[14:10] <snap-l> brousch: You have to at Kroger
[14:11] <rick_h> brousch: oh yea
[14:11] <snap-l> 1 load of bread = $10
[14:11] <rick_h> sorry, typing bad so I can justify the keyboard when it comes :P
[14:11] <snap-l> 1 loaf of bread = $1.50
[14:11] <rick_h> I'll have fewer typos when the UPS man gets off his !@#$@
[14:11] <snap-l> rick_h: *coughbullshitcough*
[14:11] <brousch> why is he sitting on a perl?
[14:11] <rick_h> hey, don't crush my dreams!
[14:12] <snap-l> Though I can fully appreciate new keyboard
[14:12] <snap-l> you start doing all of the ergonomic typing things that you should be doing all along because it's a new keyboard
[14:12] <snap-l> and not the slouchy stuff that you do with a not-new keyboard
[14:13] <Wolfger> snap-l: so a load is just shy of 7 loafs?
[14:13] <snap-l> 1 load = 10 loafs
[14:13] <Wolfger> or is there a slight discount for bulk?
[14:13] <snap-l> with discount card
[14:13] <rick_h> it's like a bakers dozen
[14:13] <rick_h> you get one extra
[14:13] <rick_h> 1load = 11 loafs
[14:13] <snap-l> but if you buy one, you get it for regular price.
[14:13]  * snap-l hates that shit too
[14:14] <snap-l> That's why I <3 meijer
[14:14] <snap-l> 3 for $10 doesn't mean that 1 == $4.50
[14:14] <snap-l> it means 1 = $3.33
[14:15] <Wolfger> snap-l: it means you pay an extra penny for the third one??? That's an outrage!
[14:15] <snap-l> Well, or however that works
[14:15]  * snap-l should have used a number that divided nicely, but you get the point
[14:16] <Wolfger> Your point is you don't want to save money per unit for buying in bulk?
[14:16] <snap-l> Meijer may be Dutch, but they don't put the screws to their customers
[14:16] <snap-l> oh FFS
[14:17] <Wolfger> heh
[14:17] <snap-l> Wolfger: No, I mean Kroger does (or did shit) where you had to buy ridiculous quantities of things to get the discount
[14:17] <snap-l> so you'd have to buy 4 cans of tuna when you only wanted one in order to get the discount.
[14:17] <Wolfger> The infamous 10 for $10
[14:17] <snap-l> That's actually not too bad
[14:18] <snap-l> We can usually pick up enough 10 for $10
[14:18] <Wolfger> I love 10 for 10 on bricks of cheese
[14:18] <snap-l> Cheese decimation. ;)
[14:18] <Wolfger> ftw
[15:08] <brousch> via the Twitters DM: @alexDGS Know anyone who you could call a 'Linux Engineer' looking for a job in MI?
[15:09] <brousch> Diskless Workstations guy I think
[15:12] <_stink_> brousch: yep, you got it
[16:32] <rick_h> damn code reviews are tough
[16:32] <rick_h> I'd NEVER let code like that through, but it's how the rest of it is currently, and seems to work...and ugh
[16:32] <rick_h> but damn is that UGLY code
[16:45] <ColonelPanic001> I assume rick_h is referring to using 3 spaces instead of 4.
[16:45] <rick_h> heh, not quite
[16:45] <brousch> tabs
[16:50] <greg-g> say that: "This matches the style of the code around it, but, it seems to be a bit messy/ugly. Approved for the sake of fixing a bug, but lets work on improving this section iteratively soon." or somesuch
[16:50] <greg-g> rick_h: ^
[16:53] <snap-l> rick_h: Heh
[16:54] <snap-l> greg-g: Yo should be a diplomat
[16:57] <greg-g> not a bad gig, really
[16:58] <greg-g> who wants to be president so I can be a diplomat?
[16:58] <rick_h> greg-g: yea, that's where I ended up. I had to chat with my mentor
[16:58] <snap-l> How about you be president, and I'll be the diplomat
[16:58] <rick_h> basically, because he's on the other side of the world, it's tough to block his work
[16:58] <rick_h> but I did up a demo of the 'pretty' way and tried to make "optional suggestions"
[16:58] <greg-g> rick_h: oh, and that added dimension sucks
[16:58] <greg-g> well done :)
[16:58] <rick_h> but yea, it's tough because your job as reviewer is to catch issues
[16:59] <rick_h> but on the other hand there's the teaching, the standards keeping, etc
[16:59] <greg-g> not to be a teacher, necessarily?
[16:59]  * greg-g nods
[16:59] <rick_h> but what is "lesson" and what is "no, you cannot land this change like this"
[17:01]  * greg-g nods
[17:01] <rick_h> anyway, fun morning, how we all doing :)
[17:05] <snap-l> Cleaning up code to make testing easier
[17:05] <snap-l> funnily enough, it'll make everything easier, so go figure. ;)
[17:07] <rick_h> yea, the trouble is that cleaning can turn into a never ending saga and there's that matter of opinion in there
[17:08] <snap-l> Yeah, trying not to go into the weeds
[17:08] <snap-l> But it's OH SO EASY!
[17:25]  * Wolfger imagines President Harding and Diplomat Grossmeier...
[17:25] <Wolfger> some poor country is going to get bombed.
[17:27] <snap-l> Screw your domestic policy, show me the code
[17:28] <Blazeix> "djibouti? that sounds suspiciously like django. kill 'em"
[17:28] <Wolfger> Yeah, what am I thinking... Other countries are safe, congress would get reamed for writing convoluted laws, though.
[17:29] <snap-l> "WHAT?!?! PEP8 FAILS?!? 0% test coverage?!? Say hello to God for me, motherfuckers."
[17:29] <greg-g> Blazeix: lol
[17:29] <greg-g> actually, lolz all around ;)
[17:30] <rick_h> I'm so happy to have a group that "understands" me so
[17:30] <rick_h> and they say online communities aren't real :P
[17:30] <Wolfger> Ha!
[17:30] <greg-g> GROUP HUG!
[17:32] <greg-g> fine
[17:32] <rick_h> always the hippy wants to hug :P
[17:32] <greg-g> :)
[17:32]  * rick_h is now curious if SF deals end in hugs instead of hand shakes
[17:33] <greg-g> only the best deals
[17:33]  * snap-l did not see "hand shakes"
[17:33] <greg-g> lol
[17:33] <greg-g> you guys, I was supposed to be getting work done!
[17:34] <snap-l> Too late
[17:34] <rick_h> bah, I'm putting off more code reviews
[17:34] <rick_h> ugh
[17:35] <rick_h> I mean, wtf does this really do? https://code.launchpad.net/~adeuring/launchpad/bug-829074/+merge/91302
[17:36] <rick_h> and for the curious https://code.launchpad.net/~wallyworld/launchpad/confirm-reviewer-subscription-330290/+merge/90070
[17:37] <greg-g> "You do not currently have access to the pastebin." in nice big bold letters
[17:38] <greg-g> (don't really care, just thought it was funny)
[17:38] <rick_h> oh, didn't realize it was private
[17:38] <snap-l> I could see both links
[17:38] <greg-g> just the paste.canonical thing
[17:39] <rick_h> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/vkISyRtfZ4JZGROrfj6k/
[17:39] <rick_h> yea, I try not to put links to my own pastebin in LP things that could be around a while
[17:39]  * greg-g nods
[17:39] <rick_h> I know I had to sign into it, but didn't realize the pastebin @canonical was private/locked out
[17:40] <rick_h> good to know
[17:41] <snap-l> ugh
[17:41] <snap-l> Line 145+
[17:42] <snap-l> https://code.launchpad.net/~wallyworld/launchpad/confirm-reviewer-subscription-330290/+merge/90070
[17:42] <rick_h> snap-l: that's actually ok
[17:42] <rick_h> this requires a lot of modules and each test file is completely indepenant and doesn't use combo loaded files/etc so that the tests are pure
[17:43] <snap-l> Ah, OK
[17:43] <snap-l> Bah, I'm an idjit
[17:44] <snap-l> Thought that was inline in a python file. Sorry
[17:44] <rick_h> lol, no all of this is JS
[17:44] <snap-l> Yeah, that'll teach me to skim
[17:53] <greg-g> just fyi, the other channel I'm in just had a group hug :P
[17:54] <greg-g> I may or may not have instigated it
[17:55] <rick_h> hah, greg-g is going elsewhere for his needs since we don't satisfy
[17:56] <greg-g> complimentary, not replacement
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[18:05] <Wolfger> I hate Microsoft Outlook with the burning passion of a thousand suns.
[18:10] <Wolfger> or possibly just the way Chrysler has it set up, I dunno.
[18:10] <rick_h> that's ok, just hate on outlook
[18:10] <rick_h> works for us
[18:10] <Wolfger> corporate IT has a funny way of making bad things even worse
[18:11] <MonkeyJuiCe> groupwise rules
[18:12] <Wolfger> My coworkers have become accustomed to me spontaneously saying "I hate Microsoft" (sometimes/often with an expletive) multiple times per day
[18:13] <Wolfger> MonkeyJuiCe: I'm not familiar with Groupwise, but it sounds too much like ProjectWise for me to have a good opinion of it.
[18:13] <MonkeyJuiCe> it sucks lol so dont even look
[18:13] <Wolfger> although I'm nearly positive that ProjectWise isn't as bad as the way we use it makes it.
[18:14] <MonkeyJuiCe> state of michigan uses groupwise  ..
[18:14] <MonkeyJuiCe> well did when i was there
[18:22] <rick_h> scary http://techcrunch.com/2012/02/02/visualizing-facebooks-media-store-how-big-is-100-petabytes/
[18:30] <brousch> woohoo! i recovered access to the GRPUG google app engine account
[18:31] <brousch> been working on that for a month
[18:54] <krondor> MonkeyJuiCe:  I wouldn't call GroupWise worse than Outlook.  I think I hate all corp mail clients though.
[18:56] <krondor> note I've designed too many Exchange and GroupWise systems to have an untainted opinion.  Squirrelmail/Horde/Roundcube for all I say.
[18:56] <brousch> gmail is the only true webmail
[18:57] <krondor> gmail is indeed the best
[18:57] <brousch> roundcube was awesome 5 years ago. it has not changed since then
[18:57] <brousch> i had such high hopes
[18:58] <krondor> yeah I see S/MIME and PGP is still on their planned features list 5 years running :|
[18:58] <brousch> where is the slick python webmail?
[18:59] <krondor> along with rules and filters (ugh)
[18:59] <brousch> roundcube got LDAP and then stopped doing anything
[19:04] <krondor> gmail is too good so I think everyone has given up, well except for fat clients.  They still update.
[19:04] <brousch> wow, i totally read that as "fat chicks"
[19:04] <brousch> someone needs to CoC-slap me
[19:13] <rick_h> man, keyboards with number pads are so huge!
[19:14] <brousch> you need to grow another arm and hand to use it properly
[19:14] <Wolfger> snap-l: All the case you'll ever need -> http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Build-a-Lego-Computer/
[19:19] <snap-l> Oh, nice. :)
[19:21] <snap-l> Though I'd be pretty worried about static electricity
[19:21] <rick_h> damn...IE testing/working coming up in LP discussion
[19:21] <rick_h> I forsee a LOT of IE JS testing in my future :/
[19:21] <brousch> might as well switch to windows
[19:22] <rick_h> brousch: don't make me get your voodoo doll out
[19:23] <brousch> i thought i saw you collecting my hairs in the middle of the night
[19:24] <rick_h> new book I've been reading :P
[19:30] <snap-l> Is that an O'Reilly book?
[19:31] <brousch> no, it's a for dummies
[19:31] <snap-l> "Vodoo: The Definitive Guide"
[19:31] <snap-l> Followed by "Head First Vodoo"
[19:31] <brousch> http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Idiots-Guide-Voodoo/dp/0028642368/
[19:32] <rick_h> oh hell, they're even debating IE6 support
[19:32] <brousch> why does a search for "voodoo for dummies" return "sex for dummies"?
[19:32] <snap-l> rick_h: OH HELL NO
[19:32] <snap-l> IE6 is dead
[19:32] <rick_h> debating, I don't know it's more than 20% atm
[19:32] <snap-l> Do NOT screw the corpse of IE back to life
[19:32] <brousch> also, you should support netscape
[19:32] <snap-l> no no no no no
[19:33] <rick_h> heh, for sure man!
[19:33] <snap-l> Maybe you could support HTML3 too
[19:33] <snap-l> table formatting FTW
[19:33] <brousch> if i can't use launchpad on my win95 virtual machine then FU in the neck. you are FAIL
[19:34] <snap-l> MOSAIC would like some Launchpad love too
[19:34] <rick_h> grrr, pyinotify daemonize isn't playing nice
[19:34] <rick_h> so so close
[19:40] <greg-g> I just deposited a check using my phone. I live in the future.
[19:40] <rick_h> greg-g: isn't it great!
[19:41] <greg-g> especially when you are the point person for a house of 5 rooms/checks per/mo, yep!
[19:41] <rick_h> nice
[19:47] <snap-l> Yeah, I had fun explaining how that all worked.
[19:48] <snap-l> Wondering at what point the check will just disappear altogeter
[19:48] <snap-l> It's not too far off, IMHO
[19:49] <snap-l> Though I wonder how quickly it'll be before there's automated ways to intercept check images
[19:51] <brousch> not long. thanks for the deposit greg-g!
[19:51] <brousch> i'll put it towards a new car
[19:52] <rick_h> hah
[19:52] <greg-g> heh, apropos form another channel:
[19:52] <greg-g> paroneayea: I mean, it really isn't much different than reality, if it is contested it is contested.
[19:52] <greg-g> paroneayea: though, now there was a scan of my signature (you still have to endorse the back) that went from my phone to their servers, sure hope it was encrypted
[19:52] <greg-g> and I hope that image isn't saved on my phone somewhere I don't know about but could be hacked by some other evil app I install
[19:52] <greg-g> I just used hacked how journalists do!
[19:53] <snap-l> Aw, I'm telling...
[19:54] <brousch> lol, some bad language http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGxKhUuZ0Rc&feature=youtu.be
[20:06] <snap-l> mitechie: ah buckling spring keyboard how I missed you...the firmness, the travel...the shape of those nice pyramid keycaps. Ahhhhh
[20:06] <snap-l> Get. A. Room.
[20:08] <rick_h> snap-l: lol, you saw the get a room response?
[20:09] <snap-l> No, that was my response.
[20:09] <rick_h> https://twitter.com/#!/bitprophet/status/165161529522651137
[20:09] <snap-l> Didn't know I was in the majority opinion. ;)
[20:09] <snap-l> hah, that's awesome.
[20:09] <rick_h> let's just say it was shared
[20:10] <brousch> and make sure the room is soundproof
[20:10] <rick_h> actually the sound on this one is a bit lower/deeper which I find easier to ignore than the cherry blues I think.
[20:10] <rick_h> they're higher pitched a bit
[20:11] <brousch> i don't want to hear you banging away
[20:11] <snap-l> KL-PING
[20:11] <snap-l> KL-PING
[20:12] <snap-l> KL-PING
[20:12] <brousch> on your keyboard
[20:12] <rick_h> come on, let's do a hangout
[20:12] <rick_h> :)
[20:12] <snap-l> Bring it to CHC
[22:33] <tjagoda> OMG KEYBOARD SO AWESOME
[22:34] <tjagoda> This actually markedly improves my typing accuracy
[22:34] <tjagoda> Turns out it was shoddy keyboards all these years, and not growing senility
[22:34] <rick_h> tjagoda: you gets yours today as well?
[22:34] <tjagoda> Yep
[22:34] <rick_h> awesome, congrats
[22:34] <tjagoda> Two keys were dislodged during shipping
[22:34] <tjagoda> But they went back on easy enough
[22:35] <rick_h> yea, the keys on these things aren't bad to take off when you need to
[22:35] <rick_h> they're pretty heavy duty
[22:37] <tjagoda> I wish I could order ubuntu keys for it to replace the windows keys
[22:37] <tjagoda> =(
[22:38] <rick_h> yea, that's the only problem with these
[22:38] <rick_h> the cherry keyboards have a lot more custom keycaps options
[22:38] <rick_h> since a lot more makers of keyboards use the cherry mx switches
[22:38] <rick_h> but only pckeyboards there can make these
[22:38] <tjagoda> Its so weighty that it doesn't slide around my desk as I type
[22:38] <tjagoda> I enjoy this
[22:39] <mydogsnameisrudy> what do you use to edit code ?
[22:39] <tjagoda> I am also glad I live alone, considering how much noise this makes
[22:39] <tjagoda> Wonder if it will be good for gaming.  Its awesome for general typing.
[22:40] <tjagoda> lol
[22:40] <tjagoda> ALT and Windows are in the wrong spot
[22:40] <tjagoda> Talk about several moments of confusion
[23:11] <rick_h> tjagoda: meh, they're right. Just going to have to adjust :)
[23:11] <rick_h> mydogsnameisrudy: vim is the one true answer
[23:12] <tjagoda> I just flipped the key around
[23:12] <rick_h> heh, that works as well
[23:12] <rick_h> most of my keyboards are ctrl-meta-alt though
[23:13] <tjagoda> This one was CTRL-ALT-META
[23:14] <tjagoda> I made it CTRL-META-ALT
[23:14] <rick_h> is it? I thuoght you got the same keyboard I did
[23:14] <tjagoda> I did
[23:14] <snap-l> tjagoda: Did you order the mac version?
[23:14] <tjagoda> nope
[23:14] <tjagoda> I think somebody just misassembled it
[23:14] <snap-l> Check the model #
[23:14] <tjagoda> The button puts out the right signal
[23:14] <snap-l> Ah, OK
[23:14] <tjagoda> The plastic bits were just swapped around
[23:14] <snap-l> tjagoda: They just thought you should have a Mac.
[23:15] <tjagoda> Over my dead body!