[02:31] <H_A_N_D_S_O_M_E> hi 
[05:52] <sakhi> Morning
[07:36] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:22] <psydroid> spreken mensen hier Nederlands of Afrikaans of alleen Engels?
[08:40] <superfly> psydroid: We mostly speak English, since that is the language that is common to all of us.
[08:43] <psydroid> superfly, it's ok, I referred someone to this channel because he wanted to practice his Afrikaans and neither of us knows of a channel with Afrikaans as its main language
[08:47] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[08:47] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[08:48] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[08:48] <Kilos> you new?
[08:48] <psydroid> well, kind of but not really
[08:48] <Kilos> haha
[08:49] <Kilos> oh you not the new guy in the mailing lists
[08:50] <psydroid> I just joined this channel because a friend wanted to find a channel where he could practise his Afrikaans and this is the only South African channel I know, so I just wanted to see if there were any people in the channel first
[08:50] <psydroid> no, definitely not
[08:50] <superfly> hiya Kilos
[08:52] <Kilos> psydroid, we have an afrikaans channel but dunno how many guys have time to chat
[08:52] <psydroid> I'm from the Netherlands, the only thing we have in common is our time zone
[08:52] <Kilos> #ubuntu-afr
[08:54] <psydroid> Kilos, he already said to me that no one was there, so I guess he's out of luck unless you or someone else knows of another channel or server where he can practice his Afrikaans
[08:54] <psydroid> and I can only speak Dutch
[08:55] <psydroid> nor do I have the time to chat myself, really
[08:55] <Kilos> he must just remember everyone is at work so it all depends on workload
[08:55] <Kilos> your english is good
[08:55] <psydroid> okay, I will tell that to him when I see him again
[08:56] <psydroid> thanks, I've been using it for so many years that it almost feels native to me
[08:56] <Kilos> hehe
[08:58] <Kilos> maybe get him to watch some afrikaans movies if he hasnt got a bandwidth problem
[09:00] <Kilos> later
[09:23] <Kilos> psydroid, let him watch these. they are funny too
[09:23] <Kilos> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Uys
[12:12] <superfly> hi Guest32398
[12:12] <superfly> Looks like you'll need to choose another nick ;-)
[12:13] <Guest32398> howzit guys
[12:13] <Guest32398> so how do i change my nickname
[12:13] <superfly> well, choose one, and then  type "/nick <yournick>"
[12:14] <superfly> it'll tell you if it's already in use, and then you need to find another
[12:14] <Guest32398> "/nick <lionthinker>"
[12:16] <Lionthinker> okay
[12:16] <Lionthinker> greatings guys
[12:16] <Lionthinker> thanks for the help and welcome
[12:17] <Lionthinker> is the ubuntu loco a busy one?
[12:21] <superfly> Lionthinker: not hugely... we have stuff going on from time to time... but it is a do-ocracy. If you want something to happen, you do it
[12:29] <Lionthinker> okay found a nickname, anyone still there
[12:29] <superfly> some of us, from time to time
[12:30] <Lionthinker> so how does this work, i see you set a meeting time and people get together to discuss an agenda or topic?
[12:31] <superfly> those are our monthly meetings
[12:32] <superfly> then, as I said while you were jumping in and out, it's a do-ocracy - if you want something done, do it.
[12:33] <Lionthinker> that sounds great
[12:33] <Lionthinker> apologies about that, never used this thing before
[12:34] <Lionthinker> tell me, how effective is brainstorm?
[14:26] <Kilos> hi RazorBeamz 
[14:27] <RazorBeamz> hi
[14:27] <RazorBeamz> I joined this channel in hopes of learning some Afrikaans. How much of that is spoken here?
[14:28] <Kilos> some but the guys here work most of the time so help people with ubuntu/linux problems mostly
[14:28] <Kilos> you in the netherlands
[14:29] <RazorBeamz> Nope, US
[14:29] <Kerbero> RazorBeamz: #ubuntu-afr
[14:29] <Kerbero> is dalk beter as jy afrikaans wil leer
[14:29] <RazorBeamz> Dankie
[14:30] <Kilos> oh thats nice, we had a guy earlier from the netherlands who was also looking for help learning afrikaans
[14:30] <Kerbero> Ik ben van het nederlanden en ik spreekt ook heel goed afrikaans
[14:30] <Kilos> lo Kerbero 
[14:30] <Kerbero> :P
[14:30] <Kerbero> ja ek sit nou hier by die familie
[14:55] <Kilos> hi Mezenir 
[15:06] <Mezenir> hey kilos
[15:06] <Mezenir> how goes
[15:06] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[15:08] <Mezenir> pretty good
[15:08] <Mezenir> glad its almost weekend
[15:08] <Kilos> hehe
[15:08] <Mezenir> and theres a new patch out for skyrim
[15:09]  * nlsthzn 'd calm is severely disturbed at the moment...
[15:09] <Mezenir> to address some of those bugs ive been experiencing
[15:09] <Mezenir> so happy day :D
[15:09] <Kilos> lol hi nlsthzn 
[15:09] <Kerbero> hehe
[15:09] <Kerbero> nice
[15:09] <nlsthzn> Hey uncle Kilos 
[15:09] <Kerbero> Mezenir: you play it under wine?
[15:09] <Mezenir> no
[15:09] <Mezenir> i use windoze
[15:10] <Mezenir> :(
[15:10] <Kerbero> sad
[15:10] <Mezenir> yes
[15:10] <Kerbero> i also have a win7 partition
[15:10] <Mezenir> do you play it under wine ?
[15:10] <Kerbero> booted it twice only to try skyrim
[15:10] <Kerbero> i never could get it to work in wine
[15:10] <Mezenir> thats the problem
[15:11] <Mezenir> and if you did i doubt the performance would compare
[15:11] <Kerbero> it is suppose to work though
[15:11] <Kerbero> indeed
[15:11] <Mezenir> and i have maaaany games on steam
[15:11] <Mezenir> so yes
[15:11] <Mezenir> until steam goes linux
[15:11] <Mezenir> ill have that partition
[15:11] <Mezenir> doesnt mean i dont like linux more thou
[17:33] <deegee_> gud evening all o/
[17:37] <superfly> hi deegee_
[18:33] <kbmonkey> timer 20 join #ubuntu-za #crunchbang
[18:34] <kbmonkey> oops. I meant hello :)
[18:37] <Kerbero> lol
[18:37] <Kerbero> so what happens on that last mentioned channel?
[18:37] <Kilos> what you lolling at Kerbero 
[18:37] <Kilos> what did i miss
[18:38] <kbmonkey> hi
[18:38] <Kerbero> not much
[18:38] <Kilos> hiya kbmonkey you well?
[18:38] <kbmonkey> ha ha its a linux distro channel Kerbero 
[18:38] <Kerbero> ok
[18:38] <Kilos> ha hq
[18:38] <Kerbero> boring
[18:38] <Kilos> ha as well
[18:38] <kbmonkey> hello kilos
[18:39] <Kilos> kbmonkey, did you read inna mail about  that lpi course
[18:39] <Kilos> http://wiki.lpi.org/wiki/LinuxEssentials
[18:40] <kbmonkey> I see that now Kilos. neat
[18:41] <Kilos> i dunno what it is i waiting for you and nuvo to get going
[18:43] <kbmonkey> the LPI course requirements say you need some basic experience to start with
[18:43] <kbmonkey> like using a terminal, and such things
[18:43] <Kilos> well i can boot a pc and say sudo iftop -n
[18:43] <kbmonkey> this linux essentials is for such things. the basics. I dare say Kilos you know most of that already ;)
[18:44] <Kilos> oh is that what it is about
[18:44] <Kilos> then i keep waiting for you two. i started reading it again from scratch
[18:44] <kbmonkey> you use iftop often ey?
[18:45] <Kilos> all the time
[18:45] <kbmonkey> We can improve that for you
[18:46] <Kilos> how?
[18:46] <Kilos> i got some info from inetpro and did his commands
[18:47] <kbmonkey> we can tell sudo, that when you run iftop, you don't need to enter your password each time. like a special rule, an exception
[18:48] <Kilos> ah that would be lekker
[18:48] <Kilos> i wear my keyboard out with all the passwords
[18:48] <kbmonkey> haha! yes I do the same
[18:48] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[18:51] <Kilos> here is what i did  echo -e "dns-resolution: no\nport-resolution: no\nline-display: one-line-both\nshow-totals: yes" >> ~/.iftoprc
[18:51] <Kilos> my iftop lost its conf file somewhere and went back to eth0
[18:51] <Kilos> he helped me find ppp0 again and gave that long command
[18:52] <kbmonkey> lost its config? eek
[18:53] <Kilos> yeah weird it just stopped showing anything and by chance i saw it show eth0 one day
[18:53] <kbmonkey> you fixed it now
[18:53] <Kilos> ya he made me um
[18:53] <Kilos> er
[18:54] <Kilos> make a new conf file
[18:54] <Kilos> and tell it to use ppp0
[18:54] <Kilos> but now its kiff again
[18:54] <kbmonkey> what does 'whereis iftop' say?
[18:54] <Kilos> anyway how are you lad
[18:55] <Kilos> sec i see
[18:55] <Kilos> /usr/sbin/iftop /usr/share/man/man8/iftop.8.gz
[18:55] <kbmonkey> ah good Kilos. I will email the list soon about studies. some fresh ideas
[18:56] <kbmonkey> you wana try to do away with your iftop password? ;)
[18:56] <Kilos> yes please
[18:56] <kbmonkey> yey :)
[18:56] <Kilos> huh?
[18:57] <Kilos> you using me as the guinnee pig
[18:57] <Kilos> forgot how to spell that
[18:57] <Kilos> Maaz, spell guinnee
[18:57] <Maaz> Kilos: Suggestions: Ginnee
[18:57] <kbmonkey> guinnea
[18:57] <kbmonkey> ha ha
[18:58] <kbmonkey> Maaz coffee on
[18:58]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[18:58] <Kilos> oh ty the bot stupid
[18:58] <kbmonkey> he uses African spelling
[18:58] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[18:58] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[18:58] <Kilos> hehe
[18:58] <Kilos> lo Langjan 
[18:59] <kbmonkey> hi Langjan 
[19:00] <kbmonkey> no guinnee pig Kilos I do this too!
[19:00] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[19:01] <kbmonkey> okay it's easy. this line will copy your sudoers file to a backup (for safety)
[19:01] <kbmonkey> > sudo cp /etc/sudoers /etc/sudoers.bak
[19:01] <inetpro> good evening sirs
[19:01]  * kbmonkey tips hat to inetpro 
[19:01] <Kilos> lo inetpro 
[19:02] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for kbmonkey and Kilos!
[19:02] <inetpro> yikes, I just missed that nice cup o coffee from Maaz
[19:02] <Kilos> Cmaty
[19:02] <Kilos> eish
[19:02] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[19:03] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[19:03] <Kilos> kbmonkey, who the sudoers?
[19:03] <Kilos> or what?
[19:03] <Kilos> inetpro, gaan dit goed
[19:03] <inetpro> Kilos: very well thanks and you
[19:03] <inetpro> ?
[19:04] <Kilos> good ty inetpro 
[19:04] <kbmonkey> Kilos, man sudoers says: list of which users may execute what
[19:04] <inetpro> kbmonkey: watch out for that > you gave through
[19:04] <inetpro> that is one dangerous redirector
[19:04] <kbmonkey> oh damn, thanks inetpro! just realized what will happen with that ha ha
[19:05] <Kilos> what what what
[19:05]  * Kilos shakes with fear
[19:05] <inetpro> Kilos: that sign will start a new file without warning
[19:06] <inetpro> can make you loose data very quickly
[19:06] <Kilos> oh my goodness, how
[19:07] <Kilos> oh will it be making backups all the time?
[19:07] <inetpro> Kilos: man bash and see REDIRECTION
[19:07] <kbmonkey> luckily Kilos isn't running as root... I hope not!
[19:07] <Kilos> not now now
[19:07] <kbmonkey> sudo cp /etc/sudoers /etc/sudoers.bak
[19:07] <inetpro> or man sh and see Redirections
[19:07] <Kilos> i be this guy  miles@P4:~$ 
[19:07] <kbmonkey> ^^ that command ^^
[19:08] <kbmonkey> it backs up your sudoers file
[19:08] <kbmonkey> then to add a new line into sudoers, run: 
[19:08] <kbmonkey> sudo visudo
[19:08] <Kilos> i still dunno who the sudoers are
[19:08] <Kilos> just me here
[19:09] <kbmonkey> Kilos, sudoers is list of which users may execute what
[19:09] <kbmonkey> we can tell sudo to let you (and only you) run iftop (and only iftop) without asking the password
[19:10] <inetpro> Kilos: man sudoers
[19:11] <linuxhopper> or man su
[19:12] <inetpro> linuxhopper: and man su
[19:12] <inetpro> :-)
[19:12] <Kilos> is root not the superuser boss kinda guy here
[19:12] <Kilos> i have used sudo -i a coupla times to fix stuff that said i didnt have permissions
[19:13] <kbmonkey> exactly right Kilos 
[19:13] <Kilos> lo linuxhopper 
[19:13] <kbmonkey> so is your sudoers backed up Kilos? I'll tell you next step when it is
[19:13] <inetpro> Kilos: yep, root is the boss, but sudo allows you execute a command as somebody else and some of the permissions amongst other things are configured in the sudoers file 
[19:13] <Kilos> must be i did what you said
[19:14] <linuxhopper> yes, but still need to put in password. if you enter once in a setion then you dont need to again
[19:14] <linuxhopper> root=boss su=adim
[19:14] <kbmonkey> depends linuxhopper. some setups have a timeout/expiry on authentication, and when you close the terminal session
[19:15] <kbmonkey> good Kilos! no run "sudo visudo"
[19:15] <Kilos> i have
[19:15] <kbmonkey> now be careful not to change anything!
[19:16] <kbmonkey> only Add a new line at the bottom
[19:16] <kbmonkey> add this: "miles ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/iftop"
[19:16] <Kilos> is that the blue one with /etc/sudoers at the top
[19:16] <kbmonkey> yes that sounds right
[19:17] <Kilos> with the "" goodies
[19:17] <Kilos> ?
[19:17] <kbmonkey> no
[19:17] <Kilos> no\
[19:17] <Kilos> haha
[19:17] <kbmonkey> everything inside the quotes
[19:18] <Kilos> ok now file save?
[19:18] <kbmonkey> then press Ctrl+X, and Y to save
[19:19] <Kilos> the line i added is gone after that
[19:20] <kbmonkey> gone? what do you mean gone?
[19:20] <Kilos> %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
[19:20] <Kilos> last line
[19:20] <Kilos> the added line disappeared
[19:20] <Kilos> is gone the wrong word
[19:20] <kbmonkey> must've pressed the wrong key or reverted changes
[19:21] <Kilos> disappeared missing
[19:21] <Kilos> ok sec i try again
[19:21] <kbmonkey> Kilos, what editor is that?
[19:21] <kbmonkey> pico?
[19:22] <Kilos> i dunno, isnt gedit the default here
[19:22] <kbmonkey> Xtrl+X obviously cuts the line.
[19:22] <kbmonkey> no, mine is pico L:p
[19:22] <kbmonkey> anyways, re-add that last line and save it (however your editor saves)
[19:23] <Kilos> gotta find out how first
[19:23] <Kilos> no save in file
[19:24] <Kilos> maybe i shoulda opened it with sudo gedit /etc/sudoers hey?
[19:24] <kbmonkey> what does that window title say?
[19:24] <kbmonkey> no Kilos, you have to use visudo unfortunately
[19:25] <Langjan> Hi kilos and kbmonkey, are you well?
[19:25] <Kilos> # This file MUST be edited with the 'visudo' command as root.
[19:25] <kbmonkey> told you ;)
[19:25] <Kilos> i did that command to get that blue page
[19:25] <Kilos> yip ty Langjan and you?
[19:25] <kbmonkey> good Langjan :]
[19:26] <kbmonkey> lol Kilos! all we want to do is add one new line of text :D
[19:26] <Kilos> ya i can add it but cannot save it
[19:26] <kbmonkey> run visudo again. what does that window title say? and what does the first line inside the window say?
[19:28] <Kilos> eish it tells me its busy try again later
[19:28] <Kilos> grrr
[19:28] <kbmonkey> your pc is haunted!
[19:28] <kbmonkey> he he
[19:29] <Kilos> the first line was /etc/visudolol
[19:30] <Kilos> gonna have to reboot the swine
[19:30] <Kilos> got everything closed but it still says its busy
[19:31] <Kilos> brb
[19:33]  * inetpro falling asleep 
[19:33] <inetpro> good night everyone
[19:33] <Kilos> night inetpro 
[19:33] <Kilos> sleep lekker
[19:34] <Kilos> kbmonkey, must i do visudo from root
[19:34] <kbmonkey> nite :)
[19:34] <linuxhopper> cant you just vi
[19:35] <Kilos> i try
[19:35] <kbmonkey> no, sudoers requires you to use the visudo command
[19:35] <kbmonkey> it's safer
[19:35] <linuxhopper> ok i just vi or vim
[19:35] <Kilos> so its sudo visudo?
[19:36] <kbmonkey> yes Kilos, run sudo visudo
[19:36] <kbmonkey> sudo and visudo are two different commands
[19:36] <kbmonkey> visudo is a program to edit the sudoers file
[19:36] <Kilos> first line
[19:36] <Kilos> # /etc/sudoers
[19:37] <kbmonkey> okay. now what do you read *above* that
[19:37] <linuxhopper> vi is to edit any txt file, sorry came in to this too late
[19:37] <Kilos> nothing above that
[19:37] <kbmonkey> I like vi linuxhopper :)
[19:38] <kbmonkey> do you know which editor it is Kilos? what does your window title read? "gnome-terminal"?
[19:39] <kbmonkey> wow this is hard
[19:39] <Kilos> it doesnt say anything kbmonkey 
[19:39] <linuxhopper> sorry but would like to know why you busy with sudoers file
[19:39] <Kilos> miles@p4~
[19:39] <kbmonkey> and at the bottom of the window?
[19:40] <Kilos> Line=28    Col=1    Sz:567    Ch:EOF    IA   "sudoers.tmp" Offs:567 (100%)  
[19:40] <Kilos> haha
[19:40] <kbmonkey> we want to add a line to sudoers linuxhopper. so that kilos can run iftop without the password each time. he runs it often.
[19:41] <kbmonkey> ah okay, now which editor is that? 100 points anyone?
[19:41] <Kilos> lol
[19:41] <linuxhopper> ok check may permission on that file , like -a
[19:41] <kbmonkey> that is vi Kilos 
[19:42] <kbmonkey> no its not, arg I cant say :(
[19:42] <linuxhopper> cant you read write and exicute on it, sometimes it will not give error just do notting
[19:42] <kbmonkey> I can't believe we can't get past a text editor
[19:43] <kbmonkey> lol! maybe it's not meant to be today :)
[19:44] <linuxhopper> cd to file and ls -li to see permission " i think"
[19:44] <kbmonkey> we need to figure out what text editor Kilos is using linuxhopper, so we know how to save the changes
[19:45] <linuxhopper> ok.................
[19:45] <Kilos> if i control+x when i type the y my pasted line disappears
[19:46] <kbmonkey> okay hang on Kilos 
[19:46] <Kilos> with control+x it brings up a flashing line with save etc in it
[19:47] <linuxhopper> maybe as i said he has permission to read and wire but not save on that file, maybe. he did vi so he must be useing vim.... right?
[19:47] <Kilos> oh my
[19:47] <Kilos> whole page disappeared and terminal says
[19:48] <Kilos> >>> /etc/sudoers: syntax error near line 27 <<<
[19:48] <Kilos> What now? 
[19:48] <Kilos> hehe
[19:48] <kbmonkey> that's fine. visudo does syntax checking and wont save on this error
[19:48] <kbmonkey> that's why we don't edit sudoers directly with gedit ;()
[19:49] <linuxhopper> maybe  :wq in vim to sve and quit?
[19:49] <kbmonkey> I'm confused why your 'line disappears' Kilos. I think let us hang off this a while until we can figure out some basics
[19:50] <Kilos> hey
[19:50] <Kilos> hey
[19:50] <Kilos> its saved
[19:51] <kbmonkey> wow
[19:51] <Kilos> you gotta control +x then y on its own without control+x
[19:51] <Kilos> sigh
[19:51] <kbmonkey> um.. yes :p
[19:51] <kbmonkey> ha ha
[19:51] <Kilos> i was holding cntrl+x and typing y
[19:51] <kbmonkey> so it was nano ^^
[19:51] <kbmonkey> you double-jointed?
[19:52] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[19:52] <kbmonkey> okay well that is it
[19:52] <Kilos> no man ctrl+x left hand and y with right hand
[19:52] <Kilos> ty very much sorry for the hassles
[19:53] <Kilos> hehe
[19:53] <Kilos> what a twit i be at times
[19:53] <kbmonkey> okay well now, whenever you run sudo iftop, it should carry on
[19:53] <kbmonkey> hope that helps
[19:53] <Kilos> linuxhopper, i actually started with vim about a year ago but forgot it all by now
[19:54] <kbmonkey> you can actually change the default visudo editor, but that is another story and let's not go there today ;)
[19:54] <Kilos> ty kbmonkey you a handy dude to have around
[19:55] <kbmonkey> yw Kilos!
[19:55]  * kbmonkey says a silent prayer he didn't break Kilos's machine
[19:55] <Kilos> no if iftop works without psswrd thats kiff
[19:55] <kbmonkey> he he
[19:55] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[19:57] <Kilos> if i type in vi there a story there that looks like something must be setup first
[19:57] <Kilos> Langjan, you need help or just visiting
[19:57] <kbmonkey> that is vi's about page
[19:58] <Kilos> better we leave that too for now
[19:59] <kbmonkey> that coffee was nice
[19:59] <kbmonkey> Maaz ty
[19:59] <Maaz> You are welcome kbmonkey
[20:00] <Kilos> sudo iftop -n
[20:00] <Kilos> >>> /etc/sudoers: syntax error near line 27 <<<
[20:00] <Kilos> sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 27
[20:00] <Kilos> sudo: no valid sudoers sources found, quitting
[20:00] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[20:00] <kbmonkey> restore your backup!
[20:01] <Kilos> what is a parse error
[20:01] <Kilos> the line i added i first put the # in
[20:02] <Kilos> was that wrong
[20:02] <kbmonkey> you added a comment line?
[20:03] <Kilos> should i not have added the # before the command
[20:07] <Langjan> Hi Kilos, just visiting, beyond help...lmga!
[20:07] <Kilos> lol
[20:07] <Kilos> nice to see you didnt forget us Langjan 
[20:08] <kbmonkey> sorry to make you learn a lot today Kilos 
[20:08] <Kilos> np
[20:09] <kbmonkey> i know how you can restore your backup file. but you may want to write this down.
[20:09] <Kilos> lol
[20:09] <Langjan> How can I forget such helpful allies?
[20:09] <Kilos> i can safe to a stick
[20:11] <Kilos> kbmonkey, does this mean i mustnt switch off or reboot
[20:11] <kbmonkey> it means you will need to reboot, sorry :p
[20:11] <kbmonkey> but not yet
[20:12] <Kilos> rebooting isnt a prob as long as it boots
[20:12] <kbmonkey> ever used the Recovery mode?
[20:12] <Kilos> yes in grub boot?
[20:13] <Kilos> works well normally
[20:13] <kbmonkey> that's the one. I will pm you the 4 steps so not to flood the channel :)
[20:13] <Kilos> ok
[20:17] <Kilos-> grrr
[20:17] <Kilos-> pulled out the wrong usb cable
[20:17] <Kilos-> bb soon
[20:18] <kbmonkey> i'll be here :)
[20:18] <Kilos-> ty laddy
[20:29] <kbmonkey> it worked Kilos!
[20:29] <Kilos> stupid thing kept looking for internet connection at eth0
[20:29] <kbmonkey> what thing?
[20:30] <kbmonkey> wblin
[20:30] <Kilos> that root shell with network 
[20:30] <kbmonkey> go without network
[20:30] <kbmonkey> you dont need networking 
[20:30] <kbmonkey> just to fix
[20:30] <Kilos> there no choice without network
[20:30] <Kilos> but its fixed now
[20:31] <kbmonkey> oh good
[20:31] <kbmonkey> phew. got worried there!
[20:31] <Kilos> and you left out sudoers after /etc/
[20:31] <Kilos> ha ha
[20:31] <Kilos> no i did when i wrote it down
[20:32] <kbmonkey> clever guy!
[20:32] <Kilos> ty kbmonkey  i will use the password for now
[20:32] <Kilos> lol
[20:32] <kbmonkey> you can try again if you brave. i think something went wrong, like if you copy/paste text in it breaks
[20:33] <kbmonkey> cos it's a console editor, and not gedit
[20:33] <Kilos> oh mustnt i do that
[20:33] <Kilos> type it in rather?
[20:33] <kbmonkey> only if you know to paste properly into those things. 
[20:33] <kbmonkey> even I mess it up some times, so I type. but anyway...
[20:34] <kbmonkey> I have an appointment with a shower
[20:34] <Kilos> go enjoy lad
[20:34] <Kilos> ty for everything
[20:34] <kbmonkey> installing a bath and today was a fight to get the old heavy cast iron one out. lol
[20:35] <Kilos> haha ja big job that
[20:39] <kbmonkey> ja thanks Kilos. chat tomorrow all!
[20:40] <Kilos> sleep tight kbmonkey 
[20:40] <Kilos> night all.