[02:31] hi [05:52] Morning [07:36] good mornings [08:22] spreken mensen hier Nederlands of Afrikaans of alleen Engels? [08:40] psydroid: We mostly speak English, since that is the language that is common to all of us. [08:43] superfly, it's ok, I referred someone to this channel because he wanted to practice his Afrikaans and neither of us knows of a channel with Afrikaans as its main language [08:47] morning superfly and others [08:47] hi psydroid [08:48] hi Kilos [08:48] you new? [08:48] well, kind of but not really [08:48] haha [08:49] oh you not the new guy in the mailing lists [08:50] I just joined this channel because a friend wanted to find a channel where he could practise his Afrikaans and this is the only South African channel I know, so I just wanted to see if there were any people in the channel first [08:50] no, definitely not [08:50] hiya Kilos [08:52] psydroid, we have an afrikaans channel but dunno how many guys have time to chat [08:52] I'm from the Netherlands, the only thing we have in common is our time zone [08:52] #ubuntu-afr [08:54] Kilos, he already said to me that no one was there, so I guess he's out of luck unless you or someone else knows of another channel or server where he can practice his Afrikaans [08:54] and I can only speak Dutch [08:55] nor do I have the time to chat myself, really [08:55] he must just remember everyone is at work so it all depends on workload [08:55] your english is good [08:55] okay, I will tell that to him when I see him again [08:56] thanks, I've been using it for so many years that it almost feels native to me [08:56] hehe [08:58] maybe get him to watch some afrikaans movies if he hasnt got a bandwidth problem [09:00] later [09:23] psydroid, let him watch these. they are funny too [09:23] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Uys === leon is now known as Guest32398 [12:12] hi Guest32398 [12:12] Looks like you'll need to choose another nick ;-) [12:13] howzit guys [12:13] so how do i change my nickname [12:13] well, choose one, and then type "/nick " [12:14] it'll tell you if it's already in use, and then you need to find another [12:14] "/nick " [12:16] okay [12:16] greatings guys [12:16] thanks for the help and welcome [12:17] is the ubuntu loco a busy one? [12:21] Lionthinker: not hugely... we have stuff going on from time to time... but it is a do-ocracy. If you want something to happen, you do it [12:29] okay found a nickname, anyone still there [12:29] some of us, from time to time [12:30] so how does this work, i see you set a meeting time and people get together to discuss an agenda or topic? [12:31] those are our monthly meetings [12:32] then, as I said while you were jumping in and out, it's a do-ocracy - if you want something done, do it. [12:33] that sounds great [12:33] apologies about that, never used this thing before [12:34] tell me, how effective is brainstorm? [14:26] hi RazorBeamz [14:27] hi [14:27] I joined this channel in hopes of learning some Afrikaans. How much of that is spoken here? [14:28] some but the guys here work most of the time so help people with ubuntu/linux problems mostly [14:28] you in the netherlands [14:29] Nope, US [14:29] RazorBeamz: #ubuntu-afr [14:29] is dalk beter as jy afrikaans wil leer [14:29] Dankie [14:30] oh thats nice, we had a guy earlier from the netherlands who was also looking for help learning afrikaans [14:30] Ik ben van het nederlanden en ik spreekt ook heel goed afrikaans [14:30] lo Kerbero [14:30] :P [14:30] ja ek sit nou hier by die familie [14:55] hi Mezenir [15:06] hey kilos [15:06] how goes [15:06] ok ty and you? [15:08] pretty good [15:08] glad its almost weekend [15:08] hehe [15:08] and theres a new patch out for skyrim [15:09] * nlsthzn 'd calm is severely disturbed at the moment... [15:09] to address some of those bugs ive been experiencing [15:09] so happy day :D [15:09] lol hi nlsthzn [15:09] hehe [15:09] nice [15:09] Hey uncle Kilos [15:09] Mezenir: you play it under wine? [15:09] no [15:09] i use windoze [15:10] :( [15:10] sad [15:10] yes [15:10] i also have a win7 partition [15:10] do you play it under wine ? [15:10] booted it twice only to try skyrim [15:10] i never could get it to work in wine [15:10] thats the problem [15:11] and if you did i doubt the performance would compare [15:11] it is suppose to work though [15:11] indeed [15:11] and i have maaaany games on steam [15:11] so yes [15:11] until steam goes linux [15:11] ill have that partition [15:11] doesnt mean i dont like linux more thou [17:33] gud evening all o/ [17:37] hi deegee_ [18:33] timer 20 join #ubuntu-za #crunchbang [18:34] oops. I meant hello :) [18:37] lol [18:37] so what happens on that last mentioned channel? [18:37] what you lolling at Kerbero [18:37] what did i miss [18:38] hi [18:38] not much [18:38] hiya kbmonkey you well? [18:38] ha ha its a linux distro channel Kerbero [18:38] ok [18:38] ha hq [18:38] boring [18:38] ha as well [18:38] hello kilos [18:39] kbmonkey, did you read inna mail about that lpi course [18:39] http://wiki.lpi.org/wiki/LinuxEssentials [18:40] I see that now Kilos. neat [18:41] i dunno what it is i waiting for you and nuvo to get going [18:43] the LPI course requirements say you need some basic experience to start with [18:43] like using a terminal, and such things [18:43] well i can boot a pc and say sudo iftop -n [18:43] this linux essentials is for such things. the basics. I dare say Kilos you know most of that already ;) [18:44] oh is that what it is about [18:44] then i keep waiting for you two. i started reading it again from scratch [18:44] you use iftop often ey? [18:45] all the time [18:45] We can improve that for you [18:46] how? [18:46] i got some info from inetpro and did his commands [18:47] we can tell sudo, that when you run iftop, you don't need to enter your password each time. like a special rule, an exception [18:48] ah that would be lekker [18:48] i wear my keyboard out with all the passwords [18:48] haha! yes I do the same [18:48] ha ha ha [18:51] here is what i did echo -e "dns-resolution: no\nport-resolution: no\nline-display: one-line-both\nshow-totals: yes" >> ~/.iftoprc [18:51] my iftop lost its conf file somewhere and went back to eth0 [18:51] he helped me find ppp0 again and gave that long command [18:52] lost its config? eek [18:53] yeah weird it just stopped showing anything and by chance i saw it show eth0 one day [18:53] you fixed it now [18:53] ya he made me um [18:53] er [18:54] make a new conf file [18:54] and tell it to use ppp0 [18:54] but now its kiff again [18:54] what does 'whereis iftop' say? [18:54] anyway how are you lad [18:55] sec i see [18:55] /usr/sbin/iftop /usr/share/man/man8/iftop.8.gz [18:55] ah good Kilos. I will email the list soon about studies. some fresh ideas [18:56] you wana try to do away with your iftop password? ;) [18:56] yes please [18:56] yey :) [18:56] huh? [18:57] you using me as the guinnee pig [18:57] forgot how to spell that [18:57] Maaz, spell guinnee [18:57] Kilos: Suggestions: Ginnee [18:57] guinnea [18:57] ha ha [18:58] Maaz coffee on [18:58] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [18:58] oh ty the bot stupid [18:58] he uses African spelling [18:58] Maaz, coffee please [18:58] Kilos: Yessir [18:58] hehe [18:58] lo Langjan [18:59] hi Langjan [19:00] no guinnee pig Kilos I do this too! [19:00] ha ha ha [19:01] okay it's easy. this line will copy your sudoers file to a backup (for safety) [19:01] > sudo cp /etc/sudoers /etc/sudoers.bak [19:01] good evening sirs [19:01] * kbmonkey tips hat to inetpro [19:01] lo inetpro [19:02] Coffee's ready for kbmonkey and Kilos! [19:02] yikes, I just missed that nice cup o coffee from Maaz [19:02] Cmaty [19:02] eish [19:02] Maaz, ty [19:03] You are welcome Kilos [19:03] kbmonkey, who the sudoers? [19:03] or what? [19:03] inetpro, gaan dit goed [19:03] Kilos: very well thanks and you [19:03] ? [19:04] good ty inetpro [19:04] Kilos, man sudoers says: list of which users may execute what [19:04] kbmonkey: watch out for that > you gave through [19:04] that is one dangerous redirector [19:04] oh damn, thanks inetpro! just realized what will happen with that ha ha [19:05] what what what [19:05] * Kilos shakes with fear [19:05] Kilos: that sign will start a new file without warning [19:06] can make you loose data very quickly [19:06] oh my goodness, how [19:07] oh will it be making backups all the time? [19:07] Kilos: man bash and see REDIRECTION [19:07] luckily Kilos isn't running as root... I hope not! [19:07] not now now [19:07] sudo cp /etc/sudoers /etc/sudoers.bak [19:07] or man sh and see Redirections [19:07] i be this guy miles@P4:~$ [19:07] ^^ that command ^^ [19:08] it backs up your sudoers file [19:08] then to add a new line into sudoers, run: [19:08] sudo visudo [19:08] i still dunno who the sudoers are [19:08] just me here [19:09] Kilos, sudoers is list of which users may execute what [19:09] we can tell sudo to let you (and only you) run iftop (and only iftop) without asking the password [19:10] Kilos: man sudoers [19:11] or man su [19:12] linuxhopper: and man su [19:12] :-) [19:12] is root not the superuser boss kinda guy here [19:12] i have used sudo -i a coupla times to fix stuff that said i didnt have permissions [19:13] exactly right Kilos [19:13] lo linuxhopper [19:13] so is your sudoers backed up Kilos? I'll tell you next step when it is [19:13] Kilos: yep, root is the boss, but sudo allows you execute a command as somebody else and some of the permissions amongst other things are configured in the sudoers file [19:13] must be i did what you said [19:14] yes, but still need to put in password. if you enter once in a setion then you dont need to again [19:14] root=boss su=adim [19:14] depends linuxhopper. some setups have a timeout/expiry on authentication, and when you close the terminal session [19:15] good Kilos! no run "sudo visudo" [19:15] i have [19:15] now be careful not to change anything! [19:16] only Add a new line at the bottom [19:16] add this: "miles ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/iftop" [19:16] is that the blue one with /etc/sudoers at the top [19:16] yes that sounds right [19:17] with the "" goodies [19:17] ? [19:17] no [19:17] no\ [19:17] haha [19:17] everything inside the quotes [19:18] ok now file save? [19:18] then press Ctrl+X, and Y to save [19:19] the line i added is gone after that [19:20] gone? what do you mean gone? [19:20] %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL [19:20] last line [19:20] the added line disappeared [19:20] is gone the wrong word [19:20] must've pressed the wrong key or reverted changes [19:21] disappeared missing [19:21] ok sec i try again [19:21] Kilos, what editor is that? [19:21] pico? [19:22] i dunno, isnt gedit the default here [19:22] Xtrl+X obviously cuts the line. [19:22] no, mine is pico L:p [19:22] anyways, re-add that last line and save it (however your editor saves) [19:23] gotta find out how first [19:23] no save in file [19:24] maybe i shoulda opened it with sudo gedit /etc/sudoers hey? [19:24] what does that window title say? [19:24] no Kilos, you have to use visudo unfortunately [19:25] Hi kilos and kbmonkey, are you well? [19:25] # This file MUST be edited with the 'visudo' command as root. [19:25] told you ;) [19:25] i did that command to get that blue page [19:25] yip ty Langjan and you? [19:25] good Langjan :] [19:26] lol Kilos! all we want to do is add one new line of text :D [19:26] ya i can add it but cannot save it [19:26] run visudo again. what does that window title say? and what does the first line inside the window say? [19:28] eish it tells me its busy try again later [19:28] grrr [19:28] your pc is haunted! [19:28] he he [19:29] the first line was /etc/visudolol [19:30] gonna have to reboot the swine [19:30] got everything closed but it still says its busy [19:31] brb [19:33] * inetpro falling asleep [19:33] good night everyone [19:33] night inetpro [19:33] sleep lekker [19:34] kbmonkey, must i do visudo from root [19:34] nite :) [19:34] cant you just vi [19:35] i try [19:35] no, sudoers requires you to use the visudo command [19:35] it's safer [19:35] ok i just vi or vim [19:35] so its sudo visudo? [19:36] yes Kilos, run sudo visudo [19:36] sudo and visudo are two different commands [19:36] visudo is a program to edit the sudoers file [19:36] first line [19:36] # /etc/sudoers [19:37] okay. now what do you read *above* that [19:37] vi is to edit any txt file, sorry came in to this too late [19:37] nothing above that [19:37] I like vi linuxhopper :) [19:38] do you know which editor it is Kilos? what does your window title read? "gnome-terminal"? [19:39] wow this is hard [19:39] it doesnt say anything kbmonkey [19:39] sorry but would like to know why you busy with sudoers file [19:39] miles@p4~ [19:39] and at the bottom of the window? [19:40] Line=28 Col=1 Sz:567 Ch:EOF IA "sudoers.tmp" Offs:567 (100%) [19:40] haha [19:40] we want to add a line to sudoers linuxhopper. so that kilos can run iftop without the password each time. he runs it often. [19:41] ah okay, now which editor is that? 100 points anyone? [19:41] lol [19:41] ok check may permission on that file , like -a [19:41] that is vi Kilos [19:42] no its not, arg I cant say :( [19:42] cant you read write and exicute on it, sometimes it will not give error just do notting [19:42] I can't believe we can't get past a text editor [19:43] lol! maybe it's not meant to be today :) [19:44] cd to file and ls -li to see permission " i think" [19:44] we need to figure out what text editor Kilos is using linuxhopper, so we know how to save the changes [19:45] ok................. [19:45] if i control+x when i type the y my pasted line disappears [19:46] okay hang on Kilos [19:46] with control+x it brings up a flashing line with save etc in it [19:47] maybe as i said he has permission to read and wire but not save on that file, maybe. he did vi so he must be useing vim.... right? [19:47] oh my [19:47] whole page disappeared and terminal says [19:48] >>> /etc/sudoers: syntax error near line 27 <<< [19:48] What now? [19:48] hehe [19:48] that's fine. visudo does syntax checking and wont save on this error [19:48] that's why we don't edit sudoers directly with gedit ;() [19:49] maybe :wq in vim to sve and quit? [19:49] I'm confused why your 'line disappears' Kilos. I think let us hang off this a while until we can figure out some basics [19:50] hey [19:50] hey [19:50] its saved [19:51] wow [19:51] you gotta control +x then y on its own without control+x [19:51] sigh [19:51] um.. yes :p [19:51] ha ha [19:51] i was holding cntrl+x and typing y [19:51] so it was nano ^^ [19:51] you double-jointed? [19:52] ha ha ha [19:52] okay well that is it [19:52] no man ctrl+x left hand and y with right hand [19:52] ty very much sorry for the hassles [19:53] hehe [19:53] what a twit i be at times [19:53] okay well now, whenever you run sudo iftop, it should carry on [19:53] hope that helps [19:53] linuxhopper, i actually started with vim about a year ago but forgot it all by now [19:54] you can actually change the default visudo editor, but that is another story and let's not go there today ;) [19:54] ty kbmonkey you a handy dude to have around [19:55] yw Kilos! [19:55] * kbmonkey says a silent prayer he didn't break Kilos's machine [19:55] no if iftop works without psswrd thats kiff [19:55] he he [19:55] ha ha ha [19:57] if i type in vi there a story there that looks like something must be setup first [19:57] Langjan, you need help or just visiting [19:57] that is vi's about page [19:58] better we leave that too for now [19:59] that coffee was nice [19:59] Maaz ty [19:59] You are welcome kbmonkey [20:00] sudo iftop -n [20:00] >>> /etc/sudoers: syntax error near line 27 <<< [20:00] sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 27 [20:00] sudo: no valid sudoers sources found, quitting [20:00] ha ha ha [20:00] restore your backup! [20:01] what is a parse error [20:01] the line i added i first put the # in [20:02] was that wrong [20:02] you added a comment line? [20:03] should i not have added the # before the command [20:07] Hi Kilos, just visiting, beyond help...lmga! [20:07] lol [20:07] nice to see you didnt forget us Langjan [20:08] sorry to make you learn a lot today Kilos [20:08] np [20:09] i know how you can restore your backup file. but you may want to write this down. [20:09] lol [20:09] How can I forget such helpful allies? [20:09] i can safe to a stick [20:11] kbmonkey, does this mean i mustnt switch off or reboot [20:11] it means you will need to reboot, sorry :p [20:11] but not yet [20:12] rebooting isnt a prob as long as it boots [20:12] ever used the Recovery mode? [20:12] yes in grub boot? [20:13] works well normally [20:13] that's the one. I will pm you the 4 steps so not to flood the channel :) [20:13] ok [20:17] grrr [20:17] pulled out the wrong usb cable [20:17] bb soon [20:18] i'll be here :) [20:18] ty laddy [20:29] it worked Kilos! [20:29] stupid thing kept looking for internet connection at eth0 [20:29]