| ScottL | umm, i'm not seeing any images linked to the test cases :( | 00:29 |
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| charlie-tca | I think they are still trying to figure out why, but you can grab them direct from http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/current/ | 00:31 |
| charlie-tca | That was brought up in -release already, and stgraber was trying to figure what to do with it. | 00:31 |
| ScottL | charlie-tca, that's what i did earlier (get from cdimage), i mainly wanted to make sure it had been noticed already | 00:32 |
| ScottL | charlie-tca, thank you :) | 00:32 |
| ScottL | now to burn and test | 00:32 |
| charlie-tca | you are welcome. Most of the testers left already, I still have about 6 hours to run, if I am lucky | 00:32 |
| charlie-tca | (and, no, it ain't gonna happen tonight) :) | 00:33 |
| ScottL | charlie-tca, just in case i didn't do this already...thank you for your help at UDS :) | 00:38 |
| charlie-tca | You are most welcome. It is always a learning process for me. | 00:38 |
| charlie-tca | Did you apply for UDS-Q yet? | 00:38 |
| ScottL | charlie-tca, i want to talk to my wife first, and i'm waiting until she feel either indebted to me or generally in a good mood ;) | 00:50 |
| charlie-tca | heh, That works too | 00:51 |
| astraljava | ScottL: Yes, nusakan was having some problems finding our images. stgraber pinged others on that, cause had no privileges or something. Dunno what's the status now. | 01:00 |
| Len_1204 | Ok, booted in 1204... I was able to install with no network connect. | 01:00 |
| Len_1204 | Both install and try with net connect crash installer. | 01:01 |
| ScottL | Len_1204, please be sure to report on the tracker, without completed (even with broken installs) tests the images risk not being released for further testing | 01:02 |
| Len_1204 | this bug is from last october. It fails to download the flash loader. | 01:02 |
| Len_1204 | apport did report it and said it was a duplicate. | 01:02 |
| Len_1204 | Thats how I know anything about it. | 01:02 |
| ScottL | Len_1204, right, but make sure you mark your test in the qa-tracker, please | 01:03 |
| ScottL | Len_1204, also, at some point in the near future i would like to pick your brain about why you are helping with ubuntu studio | 01:04 |
| ScottL | Len_1204, like what keeps you interested, involved, coming back, etc | 01:04 |
| ScottL | i would really like to find a way to interests others into helping and staying around | 01:04 |
| Len_1204 | I will report the problem I had the first time though. with consoles sending the installer hung. And I will do the qa too. | 01:04 |
| Len_1204 | I'm not sure really. Time of year is part of it. Not much outside stuff to do. May not see me for 12.10 ;-) | 01:05 |
| Len_1204 | This is the first project (with collaboration) I have been involved in. | 01:06 |
| Len_1204 | I am still learning a lot. | 01:07 |
| Len_1204 | ScottL: I wanted to report that it is possible to install here so that others can test more than just that the installer crashes. | 01:08 |
| Len_1204 | audio:x:29:pulse,test | 01:10 |
| Len_1204 | test@ustudio1204:~$ ls /etc/security/limits.d/ | 01:10 |
| Len_1204 | audio.conf.disabled | 01:10 |
| Len_1204 | OK, QA time, C-ja | 01:12 |
| astraljava | I don't know that command in emacs. Wonder what it does. | 01:18 |
| len-nb | Help... QA. I am guessing... but not sure all bugs need to be numbers and not descriptions? | 01:27 |
| astraljava | len-nb: Yep, numbers. | 01:30 |
| len-nb | The instructions are not very clear. | 01:31 |
| len-nb | Gotta find all the bugs and make some too. | 01:32 |
| astraljava | You can file a bug about that. :) | 01:32 |
| ScottL | i was hoping during next cycle we can develop better testing requirements | 01:33 |
| astraljava | ScottL: Yeah. jibel already mentioned that. | 01:34 |
| astraljava | ScottL: I might work up something for Alpha-3 even. | 01:34 |
| ScottL | astraljava, how is the ubiquity plugin going? | 01:46 |
| * falktx__ has a deja-vu | 01:47 | |
| astraljava | Didn't get much done today, busy with A-2 stuff (and some totally unrelated) | 01:48 |
| astraljava | ScottL: But there shouldn't be much left, anymore. I can turn it on for review once the milestone hassle is over. | 01:48 |
| falktx__ | ScottL: I have a personal request to make | 01:49 |
| ScottL | astraljava, that is absolutely incredible news! | 01:49 |
| ScottL | falktx__, hi :) | 01:49 |
| falktx__ | ScottL: there are some svn packages in various PPAs (not just mine), that could make US metas be uninstalled | 01:49 |
| astraljava | ScottL: It wasn't that much, once I figured out what needs to be done. | 01:50 |
| falktx__ | ScottL: a simple depends "hydrogen | hydrogen-svn" will fix those | 01:50 |
| falktx__ | ScottL: is this ok to you? | 01:50 |
| falktx__ | I got a user requesting it now | 01:50 |
| ScottL | falktx__, hmmmm, oh, you mean in our meta! | 01:51 |
| astraljava | falktx__: That sounds unlikely. We will depend only on stuff that's in the official repos. IMHO, of course. | 01:51 |
| ScottL | i thought falktx__ meant in hydrogen or such which really isn't only in our purview | 01:51 |
| ScottL | astraljava, but if we used that in our seeds, would that be a problem? | 01:51 |
| astraljava | Maybe I'm not understanding the issue right. | 01:52 |
| falktx__ | astraljava: some PPAs have package alternative that make US metas uninstallable | 01:52 |
| falktx__ | hydrogen-svn is one of then | 01:52 |
| falktx__ | blender25 was one too, on lucid at least | 01:53 |
| micahg | those are the problems of the PPA maintainers, not the distro | 01:53 |
| falktx__ | the thing is, they are not official packages | 01:53 |
| falktx__ | micahg: yeah, but modifying US metas in a PPA doesn't sound good | 01:53 |
| astraljava | I'm kinda leaning to Micah's side, here. | 01:53 |
| micahg | if they're providing hydrogen, then their package should do the same regardless of source name | 01:54 |
| falktx__ | let me give the hydrogen example | 01:54 |
| falktx__ | hydrogen vs hydrogen-svn | 01:54 |
| falktx__ | the user has a choice to install the stable version or the unstable | 01:54 |
| falktx__ | here's the official Hydrogen PPA -> https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/hydrogen | 01:55 |
| micahg | right, so hydrogen-svn should really be hydrogen with a proper version, barring that, hydrogen-svn can Provides: hydrogen so as not to break the rest of the archive | 01:55 |
| falktx__ | micahg: I tried that myself, but that breaks re-installing regular hydrogen | 01:55 |
| micahg | why? | 01:56 |
| falktx__ | because the package already provides it | 01:56 |
| falktx__ | it refuses to install it | 01:56 |
| falktx__ | if "Provides:" is not set, then it will install fine | 01:56 |
| falktx__ | but that breaks US metas | 01:56 |
| ScottL | oh, the meta's are now recommends for 12.04 | 01:56 |
| micahg | no, the real package should take precedence over the virtual one if both are an option | 01:57 |
| ScottL | i don't know if that was discussed yet or not | 01:57 |
| ScottL | doesn't that mean that the meta's can be removed without any issue? | 01:57 |
| falktx__ | micahg: hydrogen is already a real package, there are not virtual packages here | 01:57 |
| micahg | ScottL: you should only have a recommends on stuff that you want users to be able to uninstall in whichever meta it is | 01:57 |
| falktx__ | ScottL: perhaps... | 01:57 |
| micahg | falktx__: hydrogen-svn providing hydrogen is a vritual hydrogen | 01:58 |
| micahg | *cvirtual | 01:58 |
| falktx__ | micahg: then why does it fail? (or it did so in 10.04) | 01:58 |
| falktx__ | I had issues with hydrogen-svn has files that hydrogen package also has, and hydrogen is already installed | 01:59 |
| micahg | falktx__: you could also install explicitly by version when you're reinstalling | 01:59 |
| micahg | falktx__: that's what replaces is for | 01:59 |
| falktx__ | hm, doesnt sound very user friendly | 01:59 |
| falktx__ | micahg: anyway, this is just a request | 02:00 |
| micahg | anyways, going the other way will break, you'd have to remove the hydrogen-svn and then reinstall hydrogen | 02:00 |
| micahg | PPAs break distro packages quite often | 02:01 |
| micahg | it's the nature of the beast | 02:01 |
| astraljava | Isn't there an explicit PPA removal tool these days? | 02:01 |
| micahg | yes, ppa-purge, in the distro since maverick | 02:01 |
| astraljava | specific* | 02:01 |
| astraljava | Yep. | 02:01 |
| micahg | ah, it's in lucid-backports as well | 02:02 |
| falktx__ | micahg: the current way it auto-removes hydrogen for *-svn, or auto-removes *-svn for hydrogen | 02:02 |
| astraljava | Yeah. I mean, adding all those new PPAs for our metas whenever they appear... that's not going to last. | 02:02 |
| micahg | falktx__: so, the solution is to version the PPA package properly using the hydrogen name, then using ppa-purge from backports if one wants to remove it | 02:02 |
| falktx__ | micahg: no, because the PPA has updated versions of it, so the user will be back to an old version of hydrogen when trying to remove hydrogen-svn | 02:03 |
| micahg | falktx__: what's the issue? | 02:03 |
| falktx__ | in this case the PPA provides | 02:03 |
| falktx__ | both | 02:03 |
| falktx__ | micahg: installing hydrogen-svn auto-removes hydrogen, and that removes US metas | 02:04 |
| micahg | right, the PPA is doing it wrong, if the packages aren't coinstallable, changing the name doesn't help | 02:04 |
| falktx__ | the name change is the allow an user to select which version to install, within 1 PPA only | 02:05 |
| micahg | right, but it breaks the distro, so, the choices are to use 2 PPAs for this like other projects, or break the distro | 02:06 |
| falktx__ | not if US could support it | 02:06 |
| falktx__ | it's a tiny detail | 02:06 |
| micahg | yes, but what does US say to the next 100 people with the same request, it becomes unmanageable quite quickly | 02:06 |
| falktx__ | of course | 02:07 |
| falktx__ | that is just a request | 02:07 |
| micahg | still, it's not my call, but that's MHO | 02:07 |
| falktx__ | hydrogen is a bit more important than usual because it's installed in US by default, and that PPA links to the *officially* supported hydrogen PPA | 02:08 |
| astraljava | It's the pain of the maintaining such a beast. Like I said, the PPAs are unstable. By quality as well as by numbers. It'd be a tough chore to keep it up-to-date. | 02:09 |
| micahg | hydrogen is a good candidate for backports if someone wants to work with me on it | 02:09 |
| * micahg is also a member of ubuntu-backporters :) | 02:09 | |
| astraljava | Sure, why not. | 02:09 |
| falktx__ | I would | 02:10 |
| astraljava | Scott has made a point out of that repeatedly. | 02:10 |
| falktx__ | I plan to stay on 12.04 for a while | 02:10 |
| micahg | we can take the latest stable as long as the build and run time dependencies are met | 02:10 |
| falktx__ | and 2 people report it stable, I think | 02:10 |
| micahg | there's a new tool in 12.04, requestbackport, it'll help file these requests | 02:11 |
| micahg | it's in ubuntu-dev-tools, requirements for backports are build/install/run | 02:11 |
| micahg | so that might alleviate the problem as well | 02:11 |
| falktx__ | hm, nice | 02:12 |
| micahg | oh, also, there has to be an upgrade path, either through backports or to the next release, so as long as we have testers, it should be fairly easy to approve hydrogen | 02:13 |
| micahg | or any other leaf app for that matter | 02:13 |
| falktx__ | micahg: but I guess new apps are still hard work, right? | 02:14 |
| falktx__ | specially if they are not yet in the stable release | 02:15 |
| micahg | falktx__: what do you mean? no, that makes it easier as it usually doesn't have any reverse dependencies | 02:15 |
| falktx__ | micahg: I mean if we want a new app into 12.04, after being released | 02:16 |
| micahg | yeah, through -backports it | 02:16 |
| micahg | s usually not an issue | 02:16 |
| falktx__ | micahg: but that needs to go into 12.10 first, right? | 02:18 |
| falktx__ | otherwise it's not really a "backport" | 02:18 |
| micahg | correct | 02:18 |
| micahg | but backports might open pre-release which would mean not waiting | 02:18 |
| micahg | it's still best to get it in Debian first though if possible | 02:19 |
| len-nb | Having trouble finding bug numbers for bugs I know are there. | 02:39 |
| ScottL | len-nb, it's good to link bugs, but this testing is more about validating the integrity of the _iso_ rather than finding, filing, and linking all the bugs | 02:44 |
| ScottL | if you can find the bugs, link then...but don't let not finding the bugs keep you from completing the qa report | 02:45 |
| len-nb | I think I will put the rest in comments then. | 02:46 |
| len-nb | There is a bug for the installer crashing and apport pointed it out to me but then I have done two installs since and I can't find it. | 02:48 |
| astraljava | bug 870643 | 02:50 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 870643 in flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu) "package flashplugin-downloader 11.0.1.152ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: wget: unable to resolve host address `archive.canonical.com'" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/870643 | 02:50 |
| len-nb | Thanks, now I need to edit the report. | 03:11 |
| len-nb | next question... I've marked the live session as failed but not sure if that is right. | 03:12 |
| len-nb | There are problems with the live dvd, but they are just the same ones as the install. Not a problem unique to the live session. | 03:13 |
| astraljava | len-nb: Did you know there are links to the test cases in the tracker, specifying the requirements? | 03:16 |
| len-nb | Are we supposed to only check those things? Those requirements are pretty sparse. | 03:23 |
| len-nb | astraljava: I would think we should be looking for US specific needs | 03:23 |
| len-nb | Also if I do things exactly as that says it would just fail at bug 870643 | 03:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 870643 in flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu) "package flashplugin-downloader 11.0.1.152ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: wget: unable to resolve host address `archive.canonical.com'" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/870643 | 03:25 |
| len-nb | and nothing else would get tested. | 03:25 |
| astraljava | len-nb: We will be adding US specific cases later into the cycle. That's it for now, though. | 03:28 |
| len-nb | astraljava: Is there a way to edit things? I will leave the install as is, but the live session could be considered as a pass. I haven't tried persistence as I was making my usb as like a dvd as I could... readonly | 03:31 |
| astraljava | len-nb: Yeah... I regarded the live session as a pass, despite the fact that I didn't do persistence either. | 03:33 |
| len-nb | astraljava: I can't find any way to edit my results, so it says fail though I did explain in comments. | 03:36 |
| astraljava | len-nb: Let me check. | 03:36 |
| astraljava | len-nb: There should be the icon of a pencil on the far right of that row. | 03:38 |
| len-nb | Got it astraljava Ive set that to a pass. | 03:39 |
| len-nb | How come i can only see my results? | 03:40 |
| astraljava | Are you looking at i386? I did amd64. | 03:41 |
| len-nb | OK | 03:42 |
| astraljava | Thanks a lot for these! | 03:42 |
| astraljava | At least one of each is done for this milestone. | 03:43 |
| astraljava | That's good enough at this stage of the cycle. | 03:43 |
| len-nb | astraljava:will there be another image tomorrow that needs testing or is that it for now? | 03:49 |
| astraljava | len-nb: I believe that's it for now, we'll continue with dailies until the next milestone. | 03:52 |
| len-nb | ok | 03:57 |
| astraljava | ScottL: I'm assuming they'll want decisions regarding our Alpha-2 soon on -release. It's your call, of course, but I would at least suggest to mention and underline the fact that it isn't installable 100%, so only use it as a live session tool, a preview snapshot if you will. | 14:21 |
| astraljava | I'm going to take a nap now. Back in a few hours. | 14:22 |
| scott-work | == Ubuntu Studio == '''New Items''' * New XFCE theme / UI / default setting - requesting user feedback on these items to -devel mailing list * New "desktop" applications for new typical desktop uses - requesting user feedback on these choices * Ubuntu Studio is now a live-dvd, alternative installation image is phased out '''Known Problems''' * live user does not have access to rt privileges * installed user doe | 18:09 |
| scott-work | please ignore that detritus | 18:11 |
| scott-work | astraljava: are you around? | 18:19 |
| scott-work | didn't len say that he had a successful install? | 18:19 |
| scott-work | at least ubiquity didn't fail i mean? | 18:19 |
| scott-work | did anyone? | 18:19 |
| astraljava | scott-work: Hi. I don't know, judging from the results in tracker, ubiquity crashes for him, too. | 18:22 |
| scott-work | astraljava: i told #ubuntu-release that it woudl be prudent not to publish the A2 image then | 18:32 |
| scott-work | :( | 18:32 |
| astraljava | Yeah. Well, I wouldn't want _users_ face the problems. Experienced power users can try it out, but we should just concentrate on polishing it for a quality beta-1 release. | 18:40 |
| len | scott-work: install completes only if there is no network connection. | 21:15 |
| scott-work | len: interesting :/ | 21:16 |
| ailo | len: Wireless? | 21:16 |
| scott-work | and funny that you typed that just as i sat down from a whole freaking day of meeting and am now at my desk again :P | 21:16 |
| ailo | Ah, network connection.. | 21:16 |
| len | The ubiquity bug has to do with downloading. So if there is network it doesn't try. | 21:16 |
| len | Wireless does work now, but I can not connect by not giving a wep key | 21:17 |
| len | Oops that should be no network. | 21:17 |
| len | ailo: I noticed that the flash player won't download from the firefox somethings missing/install plugin dialogue either. It seems to get part way through and then sit there forever till cancelled. Same bug. | 21:22 |
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