[01:02] <astraljava> ochosi: Not by much. Only about 6 hours.
[07:31] <ochosi> astraljava: hehe, and again :)
[11:58] <astraljava> I see all necessary test cases have been run already. I know time is short, but let me know if you need any further help with that.
[12:06] <knome> hai.
[12:06] <knome> astraljava, what's up with ubiquity? :)
[12:15] <astraljava> Studio's is almost done. I need to go through the debian/* files still, but it's getting there. I haven't done anything today, yet. Just got home from playing badminton.
[12:15] <astraljava> When I get that reviewed, I should know exactly what to do for Xubuntu's, so that should happen quickly.
[12:16] <astraljava> Are the meetings reoccurring regularly from now on?
[12:16] <knome> mm-hmm. great :)
[12:16] <knome> i'm not sure.
[12:16] <astraljava> I hate doing calendar entries individually. :)
[12:16] <knome> that depends on my wife's shifts
[12:16] <astraljava> Haha!
[12:16] <knome> i try not to schedule meetings when she's at home
[12:16] <astraljava> My calendar entries depend on _your wife's_ shifts?
[12:16] <astraljava> Oh man.
[12:16] <astraljava> And I'm the last to know
[12:16] <knome> haha :)
[12:17] <knome> let me see the cal.
[12:18] <knome> maybw 15.2 / 21.2 /  2.3.
[12:18] <knome> *maybe
[12:20] <astraljava> Yeah that's alright. If it's even semi-regularly, I'm happy to dismiss the reminders when I know it's not happening.
[12:20] <astraljava> downloading from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20120201.1/precise-desktop-i386.iso:
[12:20] <astraljava> #################### 100.0% 11467.9 kBps DONE
[12:20] <astraljava> WHA?!
[12:20] <knome> lol
[12:20] <astraljava> That's... 12MB/s.
[12:20]  * astraljava is officially freaked out.
[12:20] <knome> meh
[12:21] <astraljava> Hmm... wait, that's not exactly a week apart. Damn.
[12:21] <astraljava> Oh yeah.
[12:21] <knome> yeah, not really. :)
[12:21] <astraljava> You had the Sunday/Monday thingie.
[12:21] <astraljava> Ok.
[12:21] <knome> we did
[12:22] <knome> but that sucks
[12:22] <astraljava> Well, just have to pay attention.
[12:22] <knome> because we need to leave reports to ubuntu-release on thursdays
[12:22] <knome> and with sun/mon meetings, we're just going to either 1) lack ½ week behind 2) do extra work collecting things that happened after the meeting
[12:23] <astraljava> Yeah.
[12:23] <knome> and because 2) means i'm the one doing it, i'm just changing the meeting day rather
[12:23] <astraljava> Scott writes them individually for us/US, so we're spared from that.
[12:23] <knome> well yeah, works with him because he's almost the only one doing technical things :PP
[12:23] <knome> but i'm not doing
[12:24] <astraljava> thanks for postponing the next one, btw.
[12:24] <knome> and i don't even understand all of them
[12:24] <knome> and i'm not attending the meetings
[12:24] <astraljava> Yep.
[12:25] <knome> that's why it's so much easier to pick the email from the meeting logs :)
[12:25] <knome> err
[12:25] <knome> meeting minutes rather
[12:26] <knome> btw, do you have any idea of the size the icons should be for ubiquity?
[12:26] <knome> i could prepare those for you
[12:26] <astraljava> 100 x 75
[12:26] <knome> thanks
[12:27] <knome> will see about that tomorrow, or so
[12:27] <astraljava> It's weird, though. There were only two, ltsp.png and fallback.png. In the tutorial there were two different pix, and I don't think neither of them were the fallback pic. But that could have changed since, the tut was for 11.04.
[12:28] <astraljava> Yeah ok.
[12:28] <astraljava> We have time. Isn't A-3 two weeks from now?
[12:30] <astraljava> Oops, there is no such thing.
[12:31] <astraljava> I suppose it needs to be finished bt UI freeze.
[12:31] <astraljava> by*
[12:34] <knome> or FF?
[12:36] <astraljava> I don̈́'t suppose so, as it's a derivative-only feature.
[12:37] <astraljava> But anyway, we should be able to do that within the next one and a half weeks.
[12:37] <astraljava> Just in time for FF.
[12:38] <knome> y
[12:58] <knome> even if don't *have* to meet the deadlines, it would be good anyway
[12:58] <knome> keeps stuff going
[13:17] <astraljava> Yep.
[13:17] <astraljava> I just have like a gazillion things to do, so I need to schedule real hard now. :)
[13:17] <knome> congrats ;)
[13:17] <knome> and welcome to the club
[13:18] <astraljava> Heheh.
[13:19] <astraljava> I never left it.
[16:07] <skaet> knome, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview - could you please take a pass and update the Xubuntu section?  (new features and issues you want to warn folks about)
[16:08] <skaet> madnick, ^ 
[16:14] <skaet> astraljava, ^ if you're around, could you help out?  am not seeing any response from knome or madnick.
[16:17] <madnick> skaet: what is the deadline for that information?
[16:19] <skaet> madnick,  should have been in place by this morning, so its on the critical path now for the release.  ie. as soon as possible please. 
[16:21] <madnick> i know of a few things that should go in, but i am a bit confused about when it will be done
[16:22] <skaet> madnick,  just put your best guess in for now,  we'll edit as we learn more info. 
[16:24] <skaet> any improvement at this point, is much appreciated.   Thanks. :)
[16:39] <madnick> ochosi: knome 
[17:00] <knome> madnick, madnick 
[17:02] <knome> i can see if i can update that later. we have a draft for A2 release notes
[17:02] <knome> err, let me fix that: pleia2 has :)
[17:04] <knome> ...aand that's at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LAJrffm6R63TIGnNBKaBpDMaAevAScIrzNw1ibBpEjI/edit?pli=1 :P
[17:06] <knome> i fixed that so it's easier to drop in to the wikipage
[17:06] <knome> i need to go really soon
[17:06] <pleia2> I just woke up and my eyes are tired
[17:06] <pleia2> we do alpha2, yes?
[17:07] <pleia2> we never did an alpha1 announcement
[17:07] <knome> ugh
[17:07] <knome> as fas as i know, we should have all of that information in the meeting minutes
[17:08] <knome> (that we should have in a2 announcement, or the technical overview
[17:08] <knome> so can somebody please go through those?
[17:08] <knome> i really need to go now, but i will be back later today
[17:08] <knome> see you, and thanks in advance if anyone picks it up :)
[17:33] <ochosi> madnick?
[17:42] <madnick> ochosi: was going to ask about features for alpha 2, wondering if you had some stuff :) 
[17:47] <ochosi> oh, hm, not sure :)
[17:47] <ochosi> i'm not entirely sure about the package-versions of alpha2
[17:48] <ochosi> you could take a quick peek whether the elementary-xfce icon-theme is already uploaded/included
[17:48] <ochosi> same with a newer version of greybird than oneiric's
[17:48] <ochosi> sorry to be so ignorant, i've been far too busy with other stuff to be able to stay on top of those things
[17:49] <ochosi> madnick ^
[17:49] <madnick> ochosi: same for me :(
[17:49] <madnick> I read the logs
[17:49] <ochosi> but anyway, those are the potential changes from my side
[17:49] <madnick> And I found no definate answers
[17:50] <madnick> i guess we can run with the current info
[17:50] <madnick> and talk more on the next meeting
[17:50] <ochosi> where can i check what's in alpha2?
[17:50] <madnick>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview
[17:52] <ochosi> no, i mean the concrete package-versions and package-lists
[17:52] <madnick> hmm not sure
[17:53] <ochosi> that page you linked to says "mouche/touchpad" instead of "mouse"
[18:04] <ochosi> micahg: gmusicbrowser 1.1.9 released (http://gmusicbrowser.org/devel.html), last rc before the next "stable". so feel free to push it to debian and then ubuntu ;)
[18:19] <micahg> ochosi: ok, thanks, not happening until next week though unless alessio beats me to it
[18:20] <ochosi> micahg: okeydokey, but it'll reach us/ubuntu before ff?
[18:20] <micahg> yep
[18:20] <ochosi> coolio
[18:20] <ochosi> ty!
[18:20] <micahg> I can sync before it hits testing
[18:53] <pleia2> madnick: is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview#Xubuntu accurate? (a review by knome or yourself is still noted there)
[19:12] <madnick> pleia2: seems to be gone now
[19:12] <knome> humh
[19:12] <knome> nobody checked the meeting minutes?
[19:14] <madnick> knome: i did review them, but did not know what was for a2 etc
[19:14] <knome> right
[19:15] <knome> we didn't have a1?
[19:17] <madnick> im sorry i g2g i be back later tonight
[19:17] <knome> ok
[19:17] <knome> i'll handle this
[19:21] <Unit193> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview/Alpha2#Xubuntu
[19:27] <knome> okay, i updated the page
[19:27] <knome> skaet, ^
[19:27] <skaet> thanks knome
[19:27] <skaet> :)
[19:28] <knome> np. hope to be able to deliver them more promptly in the future. that's why i've been trying to use meetingology as much as possible
[19:48] <micahg> woohoo, new GIMP point release
[19:48] <knome> micahg, why did the discussion at #ubuntu-mozillateam stop? :P
[19:49] <micahg> well, I can't really fix anything in this regard, I just have ideas :)
[19:49] <knome> mmh, well
[19:49] <knome> i think chrisccoulson has been a bit reluctant to let it go
[19:49] <micahg> and I gave my idea, but Chris needs to respond
[19:49] <knome> so maybe we can get a bit forward now...
[19:49] <micahg> well, I think he wants to avoid a thousand bug reports about a broken start page :)
[19:50] <knome> hah
[19:50]  * micahg needs to focus on Firefox 10 ATM, we can try to drive this next week though
[19:50] <knome> sure
[19:50] <knome> thanks anyway
[19:50] <micahg> and he might respond in a bit, it's 8PM there
[19:50] <knome> yup
[19:52]  * micahg grumbles about the svn version of abiword that was just uploaded
[19:53] <knome> hmh
[19:57] <mr_pouit> micahg: well, now we can't say that the maintainer is inactive ;-[
[19:57] <micahg> heh, I have no problems with the Debian uploads, just a lack of restraint on the part of the Ubuntu people
[19:58]  * micahg thinks it's time for that e-mail to ubuntu-devel about respecting flavors
[19:58] <knome> yayy
[19:59] <mr_pouit> erk, I thought you were speaking of the debian upload
[19:59] <mr_pouit> that's bad
[19:59] <mr_pouit> and people always forget to check about packagesets anyway =]
[19:59] <micahg> yeah, it's been a problem off and on, some people like the latest crack not realizing that the flavor devs don't
[20:29] <pleia2> knome: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LAJrffm6R63TIGnNBKaBpDMaAevAScIrzNw1ibBpEjI/edit?pli=1 looking good?
[20:32] <pleia2> (getting ready to post this on our site)
[20:36] <knome> worksforme
[20:36] <pleia2> great
[20:38] <pleia2> http://xubuntu.org/precisealpha2
[20:38] <knome> yup
[20:39] <pleia2> oops, forgot /news/
[20:40] <pleia2> http://xubuntu.org/news/precisealpha2
[20:40] <pleia2> better
[20:41] <baizon> thank you <3
[20:41] <pleia2> now copying over to wp too
[20:44] <pleia2> aaand tweeted
[20:51] <baizon> hmm
[20:51] <baizon> got the rss msg
[20:51] <baizon> but i thought with alpha 2 the new web site would be unleashed :D
[20:57] <pleia2> skaet: I got the fridge post out too :)
[20:57] <skaet> pleia2, :D
[21:19] <knome> baizon, not really. we have a ticket pending. the site is out whenever somebody from IS works on it
[21:19] <baizon> ok
[21:22]  * knome softly harrasses the IS folks
[21:23] <knome> we just moved from queue #20 to ~queue #6
[21:24] <knome> pleia2, you think we could write a new article about the new site today?
[21:24] <pleia2> knome: yeah, on the wordpress blog itself?
[21:24] <knome> yup
[21:24] <knome> exactly
[21:25] <pleia2> I won't get to it until later (really, really need to focus on work) but I can get to it in 6 hours or so
[21:25] <knome> ummh, well that's a long time from now
[21:25] <knome> i'll start writing it and will let you continue with it later :)
[21:26] <pleia2> ok :)
[21:26] <knome> http://wp.xubuntu.org/news/precisealpha2/ <- bumped "updates" and "known" to headers in that page, is it better?
[21:27] <pleia2> yes
[21:27] <knome> good :)
[21:30] <ochosi> knome: i just read: website released?! :)
[21:30] <ochosi> but xubuntu.org still looks old'n'boring
[21:30] <knome> ochosi, well, not yet!
[21:30] <knome> ochosi, we're #6 in queue
[21:30] <knome> ochosi, probably gets done tomorrow
[21:30] <ochosi> so how many years from now?
[21:30] <ochosi> ah :)
[21:30] <knome> HAHA
[21:31] <knome> yeah...
[21:31] <knome> well, we were #20
[21:31] <ochosi> when?
[21:31] <knome> 5 minutes ago, before i harrassed IS softly
[21:32] <knome> mr_pouit, SO, when is shimmer-themes uploaded?
[21:32] <knome> ochosi, did you already see the newest wallpaper draft? (#9)
[21:32] <knome> ochosi, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_wall/wall-draft9.png
[21:33] <ochosi> hm, not sure, i saw one with the bird
[21:33] <ochosi> if that was #9 then yes
[21:33] <knome> bird is in since #6
[21:34] <knome> but yeah, you probably saw the latest
[21:34] <knome> jono, hey
[21:34] <knome> jono, you know when you enter, there will be three lines of clientcrap?
[21:34] <jono> hey knome
[21:34] <jono> what does it say?
[21:35] <knome> jono, well, first you join with your sbcglobal.net host, then part, then join again with cloak
[21:35] <jono> can you paste this?
[21:35] <knome> jono, either set a delay in joining the channels or register with the "server" pass
[21:35] <knome> sure, just a sec
[21:35] <jono> knome, dude, is it that big of a deal?
[21:35] <jono> :-)
[21:35] <Unit193> http://pastebin.com/fuVrgDV5
[21:36] <knome> jono, well yeah, it is actually 6 lines in a 80×24 window :/
[21:36] <ochosi> heh :)
[21:36] <knome> jono, and that's just a stupid error and trivial to fix in most clients...
[21:36] <jono> ..erm, I guess I don't the big deal :-)
[21:36] <jono> how do I fix it?
[21:36] <knome> jono, which client are you using?
[21:36] <jono> XChat-GNOME
[21:37] <knome> jono, /set irc_join_delay 3
[21:37] <knome> that should fix it
[21:38] <jono> ok, will re-connect to test
[21:38] <knome> hmm, try with 5 :)
[21:38] <Unit193> Failed :P
[21:38] <knome> you might have too many channels for 3sec delay
[21:38] <pleia2> using a server password is the best solution
[21:38] <jono> better?
[21:38] <jono> oh dude
[21:38] <jono> hang on
[21:39] <jono> pleia2, can you do that for Freenode?
[21:39] <Unit193> Or SASL (But doesn't always work for me)
[21:39] <pleia2> jono: yeah, instead of sending a message to nickserv, you send that same password as a "server password" and it identifies you upon connect
[21:39] <knome> yep
[21:40] <knome> that's the best solution - i only know how to do that on irssi though ;)
[21:40] <Unit193> And as a trick, put that password as jono:ilikedancingponies to always work with your nick
[21:40] <pleia2> I think xchat has a spot for the server password in the connection dialog
[21:40] <knome> Unit193, HOW DID YOU KNOW HIS PASSWORD!!
[21:40] <jono> how do I unset the 2 second delay?
[21:40] <Unit193> knome: Oh dear, did I put it in channel again? Sorry..... ;)
[21:41] <knome> jono, /set irc_join_delay 1 :)
[21:41] <jono>  /set irc_join_delay 0
[21:41] <jono> oops
[21:41] <jono> oknow I will set the server pass
[21:41] <jono> brb, testing
[21:42] <knome> YAYY
[21:42] <Unit193> Hey!
[21:42] <Unit193> Magic!
[21:42] <knome> jono, thanks :)
[21:42] <jono> better?
[21:42] <jono> awesome, thanks guys
[21:42] <jono> you learn a new thing every day :-)
[21:42] <jono> thanks knome! :-)
[21:43] <knome> heh, np
[21:43] <Unit193> Now knome, if only I can get you to tell the rest that do that :P
[21:43] <knome> it's just as annoying as awaynicks ;)
[21:45] <Unit193> knome: How about this: *** R00T_ATI e' away (See you in another life brotha!)
[21:45] <knome> hu? :P
[21:46] <Unit193> Away messages plus the away nick
[21:46] <knome> heh
[21:53] <ochosi> knome: have you tried the wp on a single screen yet?
[21:53] <ochosi> (with the default xfdesktop setting, dunno, i guess it's "auto")
[21:53] <knome> ochosi, the idea is to cut it to two parts
[21:53] <ochosi> ah
[21:53] <knome> ochosi, so there will be no such problems :)
[21:55] <ochosi> so which one do you wanna have as default?
[21:55] <knome> i think the right one
[21:57] <ochosi> if you can provide me with that part, i'd be happy to try it for a few days
[21:58] <ochosi> (your current export is a bit too low-res to really use it)
[22:14] <knome> ochosi, what size do you want?
[22:17] <knome> ochosi, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_wall/wall-9-right.png
[22:17] <knome> ochosi, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_wall/wall-9-left.png
[22:29] <astraljava> Unit193: re: away messages; that's what /ignore is for.
[22:29] <Unit193> astraljava: No, that's what /kb is for :D  (or /knockout if you're feeling nice)
[22:30] <astraljava> :)
[22:36]  * knome is excited about the new website
[23:09] <knome> pleia2, http://willyou.typewith.me/p/xubuntu12newsite
[23:23] <pleia2> knome: great, thanks, I'll take a closer look after this maintenance window (work work)
[23:23] <knome> sure, np
[23:27] <knome> pleia2, at some point, we might want to add the "quick links" on top of the white area :)
[23:28] <knome> pleia2, with white icons and small text :)
[23:28] <knome> SiDi raised a concern that the links are not really in the optimal place...
[23:29] <pleia2> knome: didn't we move them away from being on top?
[23:29] <pleia2> I don't care either way
[23:29] <knome> pleia2, i mean, don't have to be big ones
[23:29] <knome> pleia2, just for usability :)
[23:29] <knome> pleia2, i have to play with that though
[23:29]  * pleia2 nods
[23:59] <knome> micahg, mr_pouit: i know you are both busy, but... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alacarte/+bug/925801