[00:05] <charlie-tca> w30: Can you print from gthumb?
[00:06] <charlie-tca> w30: doesn't seem like it. Gimp might be heavvy for printing images, but at least it works
[00:07] <w30> charlie-tca, yep, thanks. I just found and downloaded it.
[00:08] <w30> charlie-tca, gimp is great for every thing but it is just slow to open and look at one image and then close it.
[00:09] <charlie-tca> I agree, but I can't think of a viewer that allows printing. Most of them just let you see the image, sometimes they let you make it bigger or smaller.
[00:09] <w30> charlie-tca, I'll just set gthumb for default and right click for gimp
[00:10] <charlie-tca> might check image-magic, being a command line driven application, it might allow printing
[00:10] <charlie-tca> but it is not a GUI app.
[00:11] <w30> charlie-tca, gthumb doesn't work for xpm, darn it.
[00:12] <charlie-tca> imagemagick is a good app, but it is all done in terminal. It does have separate documentation, too
[00:14] <silner> I just noticed people recommeding image viewers for printing here https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=61916
[00:15] <w30> charlie-tca, I noticed a gui version of imagemagick; gmimagemagick  or some such
[00:15] <silner> eog and gqview seemed to get the best reactions
[00:15] <well_laid_lawn> imagemagick has a gui http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ImageMagick
[00:15] <charlie-tca> hm, never used it. I have done a lot in terminal with it, though. I just don't know if it will print images
[00:15] <w30> charlie-tca, anyway gthumb will suffice for me, thanks
[00:16] <charlie-tca> you are welcome
[00:16] <well_laid_lawn> I couldn't find anything about it printing
[00:16] <charlie-tca> printing images is difficult, since it has to get all the pixels in the right places to avoid gaps
[00:17] <w30> charlie-tca, imagemagick command line is great for scripts
[00:17] <w30> charlie-tca, you can't click a button in a script
[00:18] <charlie-tca> true enough
[00:18] <silner> It seems like  feature they should all have - from the user perspective
[00:20] <w30> charlie-tca, like if you wanted a black and white image of every picture in a directory
[00:20] <charlie-tca> or to resize every image, too
[00:21] <charlie-tca> I use it to convert images, from ??? to .png
[00:21] <w30> charlie-tca, just command it and come back later while you do something else (if you have the memory)
[00:21] <charlie-tca> yup, works well that way
[00:22] <charlie-tca> it's actually pretty fast, too. Don't wait long, most of the time.
[00:28] <w30> charlie-tca, always work on copies; there is no undo on the command line *smile*
[00:29] <charlie-tca> be brave! change the originals the first time around, it teaches patience.
[00:31] <w30> charlie-tca, heh
[01:24] <pjotter> Hi there
[01:25] <pjotter> I managed to solve the problem with the video driver myself. I had to install a new driver from AMD. I installed it and now compiz seems to be working also.
[01:49] <dalebob> hi. i have a minor annoyance if someone knows what it is. most of the time when i open a directory from my desktop, or open a directory from the "places" item on my panel, thunar file manager takes a few minutes to load and either loads two separate thunar windows, or displays an error message and then a working thunar window. it's not a big problem, but it's just annoying
[01:56] <TVasEyes> dalebob: I wonder, could the problem lie elsewhere?  Thunar hasn't given me any problems in two months or so of use.
[01:56] <holstein> dalebob: i wouldnt lose sleep over it.. there are other file managers though
[01:57] <dalebob> i have a suspicion that the places item in my panel might be causing the problem, because i don't remember the problem when i didn't have it
[01:58] <dalebob> when i didn't have the places item
[01:59] <TVasEyes> you could check and verify your ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs  file.
[01:59] <dalebob> what exactly am i verifying that with?
[02:01] <TVasEyes> man cat, use cat -A, look at the contents, verify all directories exist, no spurious characters in file.
[02:01] <TVasEyes> wouldn't know beyond that.
[02:02] <dalebob> the file looks ok
[02:02] <dalebob> i think i may just try deleting the places thing sometime and seeing what happens
[02:02] <dalebob> thanks for the help though
[02:06] <TVasEyes> dalebob: one other thing, Thunar uses ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list for its file associations, you might want to vet that too.
[02:11] <dalebob> i just checked that file and didn't see anything related to thunar in it
[02:13] <TVasEyes> dalebob: thunar simply uses those entries to decide which application to use when you click on a (data) file.
[02:15] <dalebob> ahhh i see
[02:16] <dalebob> there's still nothing for thunar though
[02:16] <dalebob> it's all pdf files and text files
[02:18] <TVasEyes> dalebob: yeah, long shot, I thought that if some mime type association doesn't exist when you select such a file, perhaps it could account for the delay and/or error you referred to.  anyway, right out of ideas now, sorry.
[02:19] <TVasEyes> s/doesn't exist/is incorrect/
[02:25] <dalebob> np. thanks though
[05:47] <alkisg> Can I just purge abiword and gnumeric and install libreoffice? Is there anything to worry about file associations etc?
[05:47] <Unit193> You can if you want
[05:48] <Unit193> I've known them to come back on upgrade though
[05:48] <alkisg> Ah :( Thank you
[05:49] <alkisg> Do you mean series upgrade, e.g. from 11.04 to 11.10, or just simple apt-get dist-upgrade?
[05:49] <Unit193> From 11.04 > 11.10
[05:49] <alkisg> OK, I don't mind that
[05:50] <Unit193> Nope, if that's all that's gone wrong, awesome
[09:05] <pjotter> Hello everybody
[09:08] <pjotter> I just installed my graphics card and compiz and everything seems to be working. Except that compiz is not started automatically at startup. I made a starter, containing: "compiz -–replace". But somehow, this does not work. When I manually enter "compiz -–replace" in a terminal,. does compiz start. Does anybody know what I am doing wrong?
[09:12] <ablomen> pjotter, maybe this works >> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Compiz#Xfce_autostart_.28without_.22fusion-icon.22.29
[09:13] <pjotter1> computer crashed
[10:16] <g00se> Got a nasty X problem: when i log in there are no window decorations and the keyboard is borked too. I have to reboot into recovery mode, choose failsafe X and then execute xfwm4 --replace. Why? http://pastebin.com/wJ7iGD36
[10:23] <well_laid_lawn> g00se: maybe there's something up with the xfce config files
[10:24] <well_laid_lawn> from a tty try renaming .config/xfce4 then logging in
[10:27] <g00se> well_laid_lawn: I might give it a try. What did you make of that log?
[10:27] <well_laid_lawn> g00se: that link was a fail here
[10:29] <g00se> Oh. Shall check
[10:30] <g00se> http://pastebin.com/b9ZdjB8t should work
[10:37] <well_laid_lawn> g00se: the first line about gnome-session not being able to start metacity is a worry
[10:38] <well_laid_lawn> seems you need to change how you are staRTING XFCE
[10:40] <g00se> I'm not sure what metacity is actually
[10:44] <well_laid_lawn> metacity is the window manager for gnome
[10:45] <well_laid_lawn> at login try choosing a xfce session instead of the default or last one
[10:58] <g00se> Yes. iirc i think i tried that to no avail. Some guy here http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8752069&postcount=3 suggests to delete ~/.ICEauthority. Sounds kludgy ..
[11:24] <well_laid_lawn> g00se: I think renaming .config/xfce4 from a tty and choosing a xfce session at login should work
[12:13] <xubuntu292> why I cannot see my desktop
[13:28] <dirtycookie> hello people, i have freshly installed xubuntu onto my laptop
[13:30] <dirtycookie> and when I want to shut down my laptop i get the splashscreen of xubuntu loading and then it hangs.
[13:31] <dirtycookie> forcing to shutdown by pulling the plug does the job
[13:31] <dirtycookie> my question is, how to fix that problem
[13:33] <TheSheep> is it an old laptop?
[13:38] <dirtycookie> TheSheep is a asus laptop with a Turion64 X2 cpu
[13:41] <g00se> well_laid_lawn: Thanks for the help
[13:42] <dirtycookie> TheSheep: is a asus laptop with a Turion64 X2 cpu
[13:49] <TheSheep> dirtycookie: that tells me nothing about its age
[13:52] <dirtycookie> TheSheep: well it is about 4 or 5 years old
[13:55] <TheSheep> dirtycookie: then it's not the problem I was thinking about, must be something else
[13:56] <dirtycookie> :)
[15:35] <brad_> hey guys, when i close the screen on  my laptop, sometimes it goes to sleep, and only sometimes does it wake up without me having to do a hard shutdown.  any ideas?  thanks!
[15:36] <pjotter> Hi there. I just installed Xubuntu and saw that is possible to log in to a gnome 3 classic and even a gnome/Unity seesion. Is that normal?
[15:36] <brad_> holstein, btw, you really helped last time.  i tried the modern nvidia drivers with user improvements or whatever and they work so much better.  basically never crashes -- unless i really try to force it :-)
[15:37] <brad_> i don't think so?  i'm no expert tho
[16:26] <Clitoris> Hi, I'm trying to install Lesbian Linux but I keep getting core dumped.
[16:26] <Clitoris> It's kind of warm, and sticky.
[16:39] <brad_> lol
[16:47] <holstein> brad_: cool!.. glad you are having a good experience!
[16:52] <Qpnaosc> hello!
[16:52] <Qpnaosc> I really wish the Xubuntu help site would mention that this channel is on server Freenode
[16:52] <Qpnaosc> explicitely
[16:53] <Qpnaosc> *has taken far too long to figure out what I'm doing*
[16:54] <Qpnaosc> I have been having some weird problems with my computer
[16:54] <Qpnaosc> I was wondering if anyone could help
[16:54] <holstein> Qpnaosc: lets cool into how you can help faciliate that
[16:54] <holstein> you can join the *dev mailing list and suggest it, or make a bug report i suppose
[16:55] <Qpnaosc> oh I see
[16:55] <Qpnaosc> good
[16:55] <holstein> http://www.xubuntu.org/help
[16:55] <holstein> ^^ actually , i see it there already
[16:56] <holstein> i navigate to that by clicking the "get help & support" icon on the main page
[16:56] <Qpnaosc> ah, I see it now too
[16:56] <Qpnaosc> I suppose for the panicked beginning user it seems a bit buried
[16:56] <Qpnaosc> or maybe that's just me
[16:56] <brad_> hostein, yeah that was huge.  it was making me nuts!
[16:57] <brad_> hostein, any idea how to get my laptop to go to sleep and to wake up?  :-)
[16:57] <Qpnaosc> ahem.
[16:57] <holstein> brad_: o/ ...also, if you type "hol" and hit the tab button, it will auto-complete my nick, so you dont have to type it each time, and it will "ping" me :)
[16:58] <Qpnaosc> anyway, my xubuntu won't let me log in
[16:58] <holstein> brad_: you can try just putting it to sleep, and see what happens... we can look at the erros from there... mind almost all sleep fine, though the 3.x kernel seems to have negatively effected that on several machines
[16:59] <holstein> Qpnaosc: let?.. whats the error? if you lost/forgot the password, there is a 'recovery' boot up kernel
[16:59] <Qpnaosc> no, the password isn't the problem
[16:59] <holstein> Qpnaosc: so, you *can* login then, just not loading X?
[16:59] <Qpnaosc> it lets me through, and then a message pops up for less than a second saying "stopping cold plugins" and it gets me back to the login screen
[16:59] <Qpnaosc> yes, that's what I mean
[17:00] <brad_> sweet, thanks for that hol trick
[17:00] <Qpnaosc> it also won't let me log in in safe mode
[17:00] <brad_> holstein,  i should say, thanks for that hol trick :-)
[17:00] <holstein> Qpnaosc: what are cold plugins?
[17:00] <Qpnaosc> I'm not sure
[17:00] <holstein> you can try making another user account and see if you can get to X from there
[17:01] <holstein> that will help you determine if it is a configuration issue in your /home directory, and you can decide how to proceed from there
[17:01] <brad_> holstein, there are two problems, sometimes it doesnt go to sleep, soemtimes it does, where can i find those errors?  the second problem is that sometimes it does go to sleep and doesn't wake up, where can i find those errors?
[17:02] <Qpnaosc> I do have another account, guest
[17:02] <Qpnaosc> that one doesn't get through, either :(
[17:03] <holstein> Qpnaosc: ok.. so that tells you something... though i would login in a terminal and make an "actual" account.. but do what you like
[17:03] <holstein> you'll need to determine what cold plugins are, how you got them... why, and how to fix them...
[17:04] <holstein> Qpnaosc: can you get a more detailed message?
[17:05] <Qpnaosc> holstein: it's working now
[17:05] <Qpnaosc> it must be the power of your magic touch
[17:05] <Qpnaosc> sadly, it might not work for long
[17:06] <holstein> ?.. x you mean? you are logged in?
[17:06] <Qpnaosc> yes
[17:07] <holstein> if it were me, i would try upgrading packages, and see if there is a newer (or older) kernel that works better or differently
[17:07] <Qpnaosc> I'm upgrading to Ocelot to see if that fixes the problems I'd been having
[17:08] <Qpnaosc> before the login issue, my computer had been doing the same thing with the wireless connection--asking for my network password, thinking for a while, and then asking for my password again
[17:09] <holstein> i usually upgrade only to test if its going to work, and report errors.. ive found, best case scenario, it takes 6 hours to upgrade to a newer version.. it takes like 12 mintus to install
[17:10] <holstein> also, i like to actually see the live CD for the newer version run on my hardware, so im not "seeing if it fixes things".. i have a really good idea before i touch the file system... though you cant always test everything from the live CD's
[17:10] <Qpnaosc> where does the extra 5 hours 48 minutes come from?
[17:10] <Qpnaosc> ah
[17:10] <holstein> Qpnaosc: you'll see
[17:10] <holstein> its a lot of work, and network traffic to pull everything in
[17:13] <Qpnaosc> aha
[17:13] <Qpnaosc> well, I've cancelled it now
[17:13] <Qpnaosc> I'll just see whether it works now
[17:13] <Qpnaosc> thanks for your help
[17:14] <holstein> Qpnaosc: careful what and when you cancel upgrades
[17:14] <Qpnaosc> it was at the official "are you sure you want to upgrade" point
[17:14] <holstein> you can really mess things up if the power goes off mid upgrade for example... in theory, everything is fixable, but...
[17:16] <Qpnaosc> true
[17:42] <lighta> is there a way to specify a parent group for a group ? like building a hierarchie group ?
[17:42] <TheSheep> lighta: a group of what?
[17:44] <lighta> he didn't specify but I assum it's like group www-data and groupe user1, groupe user1 is part of www-data etc
[17:55] <TheSheep> ah user groups
[17:56] <TheSheep> no
[17:56] <TheSheep> but an user may be in more than one group
[21:00] <raevol> are the meeting notes from the xubuntu dev meeting up anywhere? notes/log?
[21:01] <raevol> pleia2: ^ ?
[21:02] <pleia2> raevol: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings/
[21:02] <raevol> thanks
[21:02] <pleia2> sure thing
[21:05] <raevol> does anyone know anything about the status of bluebird being ported to gtk3?
[21:13] <xGrind> This kernel requires the following features not presente on the CPU: pae
[21:13] <xGrind> Unable to boot - please use a kernel appropriate for your CPU.
[21:14] <xGrind> xubuntu 12.04 alpha 2 don't run in Virtualbox?
[21:14] <Unit193> xGrind: You have to enable it in hte "System" tab
[21:15] <xGrind> Unit193, thanks \o
[21:15] <Unit193> Yeppers
[21:15] <Paimun> " If you are looking for see support, please see the #ubuntu+1 or #xubuntu IRC channels on irc.freenode.net."
[21:16] <Paimun> is that a typo?
[21:16] <Unit193> "for see support" sure is
[21:16] <Unit193> pleia2: You got something here
[21:16] <Paimun> I'm not really sure who maintains the webpage or if that had been pointed out yet
[21:17] <Paimun> so I figured I'd say something
[21:17] <Unit193> #ubuntu+1 is right though, all dev suport is in there
[21:20]  * pleia2 fixes "see support"
[21:20] <pleia2> thanks Paimun
[21:20] <Paimun> no problem
[21:20] <Paimun> I'm downloading the alpha now as we speak :)
[21:20] <pleia2> :)
[21:25] <Marzata> alpha?
[21:26] <knome> alpha2 is released
[21:28] <olbi> need testing Alpha2 under Atom and Ion2? :P
[21:43] <Marzata> on 10 inches you can not install it, coz the size of the install window is too big.
[21:49] <Guest4135> hi
[21:50] <Guest4135> i am a new user for xubuntu, the language icon is not show on the desktop bar?
[21:51] <Guest4135> what to do? how to show it with the ability to switch between two languages?
[21:54] <Marzata> Guest4135: install xfce4-goodies
[21:54] <Guest4135> how?
[21:55] <Marzata> sudo apt-get install xfce4-goodies
[21:55] <Guest4135> then?
[21:56] <Marzata> then right click on the panel and in panel properties add keyboard layouts
[23:46] <pjotter> Hello everybody. Has this happened to any of you? I am doing a clean install of Xubuntu. But then after a while, I suddenly have the option to log into a "Gnome" of "Gnome classic" session at startup. How did that happen? Did I install gnome without knowing? Is that possible? Maybe this is caused by some of the apps I installed?
[23:47] <knome> did you install alacarte?
[23:47] <pjotter> yes
[23:47] <pjotter> :D
[23:47] <Unit193> sudo apt-get install alacarte --no-install-recommends
[23:47] <knome> well, that actually pulls in about a half of gnome
[23:47] <knome> and i'm not kidding.
[23:47] <pjotter> wow
[23:47] <knome> you have compiz now.
[23:47] <pjotter> I know. It works great too.
[23:47] <knome> we actually need to address that...
[23:47] <knome> HRRR
[23:47] <pjotter> What about compiz? I installed that too
[23:48] <knome> well, you didn't need to
[23:48] <pjotter> Does that also cause gnome to install?
[23:48] <knome> alacarte would have installed that
[23:48] <knome> nope
[23:48] <pjotter> ok
[23:48] <pjotter> So it is alacarte then?
[23:48] <knome> but alacarte installs unity, compiz and friends
[23:48] <knome> yep.
[23:48] <knome> that's known...
[23:48] <pjotter> Ok. Is there an alternative toi alacarte?
[23:48] <GridCube> lol, thats true, alacarte pulls more gnome than compiz
[23:49] <Unit193> I should say that the line I said will install it wityout the other crap
[23:49] <knome> yup
[23:49] <pjotter> I was kind of hoping to get away from this Gnome stuff by moving to Xubuntu. But it seems to be following me :S
[23:50] <knome> pjotter, erm, not that i know of, at least good alternatives
[23:50] <pjotter> Well, how do you edit the menu in gfce then?
[23:50] <Unit193> Alacarte works fine
[23:50] <knome> yup.
[23:50] <knome> !menu
[23:51] <knome> !alacarte
[23:51] <pjotter> ?
[23:51]  * pjotter is puzzled
[23:51] <Unit193> pjotter: Next time append --no-install-recommends
[23:51] <holstein> alacarte is a gnome menu editor?
[23:51] <pjotter> what shoudl I do to edit the menu?
[23:52] <pjotter> Yes, I think so.
[23:52] <GridCube> pjotter: use alacarte, but with --no-install-recommends
[23:52] <knome> holstein, well, it's kind of generic... but in ubuntu, it pulls half of gnome ;)
[23:52] <pjotter> Aren't there any Gfce menu editors then?
[23:52] <pjotter> Ehm I mean Xfce :D
[23:52] <pjotter> See, now I get confused.
[23:52] <GridCube> nope
[23:52] <holstein> http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu suggests lxmenueditor
[23:53] <holstein> i havent used a menu much since i started using kupfer
[23:53] <knome> !menueditor
[23:53] <knome> Unit193, ^
[23:53] <Unit193> knome: Righto! Thanks
[23:53] <knome> np
[23:53] <pjotter> Alrighty, now I get it.
[23:55] <pjotter> Are there any more apps that do the same thing?
[23:55] <pjotter> I mean.. installing Gnome behind my back?
[23:55] <holstein> pjotter: i read at that link about using lxmenueditor
[23:57] <Unit193> holstein: Not in repos, and he's talking about other programs that also happen to install gnome for you ;)
[23:57] <holstein> its not?... i thought i had used it.. my bad
[23:58] <Unit193> pjotter: Some KDE programs try to install a ton, just look at quassel
[23:58] <pjotter> Yes. Is there a way that I can know in advance if an application is native Xfce or that is going to install all kinds of other GNome/KDE stuff?
[23:58] <Unit193> holstein: You could have used it before
[23:58] <Unit193> pjotter: You can check the list of programs that it tells you is going to come with it. What package manager frontend do you use?