| freeroute | ok this is weird, whenever I try to play flash video's the audio starts to continuously repeat itself with a duration of a few hundred miliseconds | 00:30 |
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| freeroute | funny thing is that when I turn off the video the audio usually still repeats itself for a while | 00:30 |
| freeroute | is there a recent guide in troubleshooting ALSA issues? I find a lot which claim to be outdated | 00:34 |
| Unit193 | freeroute: I generallly look somewhere around here http://bit.ly/tOGHKG the Ubuntu wiki should have something too | 00:38 |
| Unit193 | Hmmm.... Welp, check the Ubuntu one here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting | 00:39 |
| freeroute | Unit193: thanks I'll look into it | 00:41 |
| freeroute | / them | 00:41 |
| Unit193 | It's been helpful to me, there's also a pulse page too | 00:46 |
| freeroute | Unit193: is there pulseaudio present in Lubuntu? | 00:47 |
| Unit193 | Not unless you install it | 00:47 |
| wxl | um | 00:48 |
| Unit193 | wxl: Yes? | 00:48 |
| wxl | try pacat /dev/urandom and tell me you don't get anything | 00:49 |
| wxl | (point being it seems that pulse is installed) | 00:49 |
| wxl | my understanding was that pulse is installed but there are alsa plugins to fool alsa programs to work with pa | 00:49 |
| wxl | which is why alsamixer works... | 00:50 |
| Unit193 | Meh, I don't remember what's installed by default or what I've purged at this point ;P | 00:50 |
| wxl | well hold on i can just check services | 00:51 |
| Unit193 | It's fine, I'll trust you if you wish | 00:51 |
| wxl | naw now i'm curious for sure | 00:51 |
| wxl | though i use the heck out of audio for production i use jack so don't really pay attention to whatever's underlying | 00:52 |
| Sentynel | pulseaudio is not installed by default on lubuntu | 00:52 |
| Unit193 | I purged a few pulse because it was causing problems for me | 00:52 |
| Sentynel | libpulse0 is present, but pulseaudio itself is not provided | 00:52 |
| wxl | weird it's not installed | 00:52 |
| wxl | typical oss commands don't work e.g. cat /dev/urandom >> /dev/dsp | 00:53 |
| wxl | so it can't be that | 00:53 |
| wxl | it must be alsa | 00:53 |
| wxl | occassionally masquerading as pulseaudio which is why e.g. pacat works | 00:53 |
| Unit193 | Sentynel: Thanks. Mind if I ask where you came from? I've seen you around here being quite helpful | 00:53 |
| Sentynel | wxl: pacat's not installed by default either, but it only depends on libpulse0, not pulseaudio | 00:54 |
| Sentynel | Unit193: I wandered in a couple of weeks ago with a couple of issues on my laptop, which I'd just moved to lubuntu, and kinda stuck around | 00:55 |
| wxl | curious that i don't have pacat on this vm but i do on my install at home | 00:55 |
| wxl | indeed alsa-base is there | 00:55 |
| wxl | harumph | 00:55 |
| wxl | well thanks Sentynel | 00:55 |
| wxl | now maybe i can figure out how to route flash through jack! | 00:57 |
| wxl | ew java | 01:05 |
| wxl | oops | 01:05 |
| wxl | there i go again | 01:05 |
| bkm | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wicd/+bug/806381 <- | 01:24 |
| ubot5` | Launchpad bug 806381 in wicd (Ubuntu) "wicd RenameProcess function results in rename failed" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 01:24 |
| * wxl does NOT like wicd | 01:25 | |
| bkm | thanks to the people who helped me with wireless some days ago. the error described here apparently applies to network manager. i find that my version of the file in question had the wrong paths, i.e., they matched the paths shown in the bug post | 01:26 |
| wxl | bkm: why is it a bug in wicd then??? | 01:26 |
| bkm | i think the gist of the second post is that it is not a bug in wicd. | 01:26 |
| wxl | right, so someone needs to mark it as a bug in what it is and unmark it as a bug in what it's not ;) | 01:27 |
| bkm | maybe i misunderstand | 01:27 |
| bkm | yeah, that was kind of my thought. | 01:27 |
| wxl | this is absolutely a wicd bug from what i read though | 01:28 |
| bkm | i'm still not sure if that had affected me or not. i guess i need to start with a fresh lubuntu to see how it differs from the frankenstein installation i have now | 01:28 |
| wxl | /usr/lib/python2.7/WICD/misc.py (my emphasis) is only used by wicd | 01:28 |
| josephdavidrich1 | can you help me how do I get icons on my desktop I can do it on ubuntu because of nautilus | 01:28 |
| wxl | josephdavidrich1: /usr/lib/python2.7/wicd/misc.py | 01:29 |
| wxl | argh | 01:29 |
| wxl | sorry | 01:29 |
| wxl | josephdavidrich1: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#How_can_I_create_a_shortcut_on_the_Desktop | 01:30 |
| wxl | THAT's it ;) | 01:30 |
| bkm | wxl: "Mitigating factor: In the process I found out that the WLAN interface is now displayed properly in the default network manager. So personally I have no more reason to run wicd." <- does this mean that a broken wicd screwed up a perfectly fine network-manager? | 01:30 |
| wxl | bkm: no he's saying that nm was messed up so he was looking for other solutions and went for wicd but in the process of resolving issues with wicd found that nm was back to working and now has no need for wicd | 01:32 |
| bkm | wxl: anyway, thanks for the help a few nights ago. lubuntu seems to be improving each release | 01:32 |
| bkm | wxl: so, both are screwed up? | 01:32 |
| wxl | bkm: that's the plan :D | 01:32 |
| bkm | rog | 01:32 |
| wxl | bkm: no he's saying that nm WAS screwed up and is now ok. wicd IS screwed up, but the workaround suggested fixes it. | 01:33 |
| wxl | personally i don't like wicd. i've said it a million times before and i'm sure everyone's sick of hearing me say it, but it's just bloaty. | 01:33 |
| bkm | wxl: agreed. i just installed it when iwlist scanning didn't work. still not sure if i broke something or if i just missed the _greyed-out_ icon on my grey taskbar... | 01:36 |
| wxl | i think the latter | 01:36 |
| bkm | i think if i were to stick the wireless card in, iwlist scanning would work. so, something changed... | 01:37 |
| entreri | hello there, it seems lubuntu is the only distro in the ubuntu family that did not include the b43-firmware out-of-the-box, ubuntu and xubuntu did (I don't remember about kubuntu). So I must plug a wire and go downloading the firmware in synaptics by myself for my wireless to work... it means that I can't use the lubuntu live USB on my netbook. Maybe I missed something ? Any idea if it will be included in the next release ? | 01:37 |
| wxl | entreri: no idea. however, i can tell you lubuntu is often targeted at older machines so wireless *AT ALL* may not even be so much of a concern | 01:38 |
| entreri | wxl: it's not a big concern, all I need is to download the firmware in synaptics, but I think it's strange that I could activate the restricted driver just by clicking the "activate" button in ubuntu and xubuntu - and it worked, but in lubuntu it says "see path/to/jockey.log", and I think it failed at the "download" part, cause I was not connected. | 01:43 |
| entreri | I was not connected in ubuntu and xubuntu, it skipped the download part, so the firmware was included | 01:44 |
| wxl | entreri: understood. you're not the first to bring this up. i think part of the problem may be lubuntu finding its identity. i see about 50/50 people using it on old hardware as i do see people using new hardware | 01:44 |
| entreri | wxl: yeah, I just hope it will be included for the next release. Do you know if the Ubuntu Software Center will be there too to replace synaptics ? | 01:47 |
| wxl | lubuntu software center yes | 01:49 |
| wxl | well, should be | 01:49 |
| entreri | nice, thanks a lot | 01:50 |
| wxl | it's getting there | 01:51 |
| wxl | we're up to alpha 2 but it's still got some annoying bugs | 01:51 |
| wxl | i wouldn't recommend trying to make alpha 2 work unless you're going to stick it in a vm and don't mind fiddling | 01:51 |
| wxl | supposedly there's a major change in the latest that might get rid of those annoying bugs | 01:52 |
| wxl | if that's the case, i'll have a new vm and can tell you definitively what is and what isn't installed | 01:52 |
| === calvin_ is now known as gleek | ||
| LubuntuPowered | anyone figure out how to disable notifications yet | 06:57 |
| Unit193 | LubuntuPowered: Not looked into it, but last case you can uninstall it | 07:12 |
| LubuntuPowered | Unit193: brilliant | 07:53 |
| giuseppe60 | hello | 09:21 |
| giuseppe60 | do not open files. pps in Lubuntu: how? | 09:21 |
| bioterror | you might want to install libreoffice, and there's that presentation program | 09:22 |
| bioterror | wasnt pps for power point?-) | 09:22 |
| Unit193 | "Impress" | 09:22 |
| Unit193 | Yep | 09:22 |
| iceroot | bioterror: correct | 09:22 |
| bioterror | http://www.libreoffice.org/features/impress/ | 09:22 |
| bioterror | for a moment I was like "or was it photoshop something" ;D | 09:23 |
| giuseppe60 | in Lubuntu is installed abiword and gnumeric | 09:24 |
| bioterror | yep, but no power point presentation application | 09:24 |
| Unit193 | You'd have to install | 09:25 |
| giuseppe60 | how to install LibreOffice in Lubuntu? | 09:26 |
| bioterror | sudo apt-get install libreoffice | 09:26 |
| giuseppe60 | ok | 09:26 |
| bioterror | you can specify a language if you want too | 09:26 |
| Unit193 | May need -gtk or whatnot to make it "shiny" | 09:27 |
| giuseppe60 | ok now install LibreOffice | 09:28 |
| giuseppe60 | after installing LibreOffice, better throw abiword and gnumeric? | 09:30 |
| bioterror | yes | 09:30 |
| giuseppe60 | with remove | 09:31 |
| giuseppe60 | we now see pps files | 09:41 |
| giuseppe60 | thanks | 09:41 |
| giuseppe60 | LibreOffice to put it in Italian? | 09:51 |
| tenach | I forgot how much I like lubuntu. <3 | 09:56 |
| Unit193 | < bioterror> you can specify a language if you want too | 09:57 |
| iceroot | giuseppe60:sudo apt-get install libreoffice-l10n-it | 09:57 |
| Unit193 | tenach: That so? 11.10? | 09:58 |
| Unit193 | Can grab the helpfiles and spelling too | 09:58 |
| tenach | Unit193, Yes! I'm loving 11.10 | 10:00 |
| giuseppe60 | iceroot, ok thanks | 10:00 |
| iceroot | giuseppe60: and this is the italien help libreoffice-help-it | 10:01 |
| iceroot | dont we have metapackages for something like that? | 10:02 |
| giuseppe60 | iceroot, ok | 10:02 |
| giuseppe60 | ok libreoffice is in Italian -------Thanks to all | 10:15 |
| cristian_c | Hi | 10:15 |
| cristian_c | I'm using lubuntu 11.10 | 10:15 |
| cristian_c | I can not see the volume icon on the panel | 10:16 |
| cristian_c | I added, but still can not see it | 10:16 |
| cristian_c | What can I do? | 10:16 |
| bioterror | cristian_c, and the sound does work? | 10:19 |
| cristian_c | bioterror, yes | 10:20 |
| cristian_c | bioterror, I do not know what I can do to make it appear | 10:24 |
| giuseppe60 | I installed epiphany, but I can not download the files (pdf, pps, vma) by email: epiphany is a problem? | 10:24 |
| bioterror | giuseppe60, we dont know, we use chromium ;) | 10:25 |
| giuseppe60 | bioterror, ok thanks | 10:25 |
| bioterror | cristian_c, could be okay to reset the lxpanel | 10:26 |
| cristian_c | bioterror, Is there a specific command? | 10:29 |
| cristian_c | bioterror, What happens after I reset the panel? | 10:38 |
| cristian_c | bioterror, I would not like to do any disaster | 10:39 |
| bioterror | you just remove all the config files, and it should copy correct ones back | 10:39 |
| cristian_c | ok | 10:40 |
| tenach | I'm so ecstatic to be back into a working linux desktop. :D! I can code again! | 10:40 |
| bioterror | tenach, when it was broken?-) | 10:44 |
| thor_ | Hi I have just downloaded lubuntu 12.04 alpha 2 and installed it in VirtualBox, and all programs open in full screen. ?? shall lubuntu should look like that | 10:49 |
| thor_ | not shouls | 10:49 |
| tenach | bioterror, I hadn't gotten any distro to work on my laptop... last resort i threw Lubuntu on it, and bam... 90% perfect. | 10:50 |
| giuseppe60 | thor_, hello | 11:01 |
| thor_ | giuseppe60: hello how fast is you boot | 11:02 |
| giuseppe60 | thor_, still 50 seconds. | 11:02 |
| thor_ | giuseppe60: shall we try make a part 2 | 11:03 |
| thor_ | giuseppe60: install bum in synaptic | 11:04 |
| giuseppe60 | thor_, already installed | 11:04 |
| thor_ | giuseppe60: ok have you turn some off them off | 11:05 |
| giuseppe60 | thor_, boot-up-manager ?? | 11:05 |
| thor_ | giuseppe60: yes | 11:05 |
| giuseppe60 | thor_, are active only unattendend-upgrades,,,,pulseaudio,,pppd-dns,,,dns-clean,,preload,, | 11:07 |
| thor_ | giuseppe60: do you have adls internet | 11:09 |
| giuseppe60 | yes | 11:11 |
| giuseppe60 | thor_, yes | 11:11 |
| thor_ | giuseppe60: then you dont need pppd-dns and dns-clean | 11:12 |
| giuseppe60 | thor_, ok take it off | 11:12 |
| thor_ | giuseppe60: and ntp saned | 11:13 |
| thor_ | giuseppe60: then we run in terminal sudo sysv-rc-conf | 11:15 |
| giuseppe60 | thor_, I do not know what is | 11:15 |
| giuseppe60 | thor_, already done sudo sysv-rc-conf | 11:15 |
| thor_ | giuseppe60: ntp update the system time and saned is scanner | 11:16 |
| giuseppe60 | nein scanner | 11:16 |
| thor_ | giuseppe60: none scanner hmmm strange it is on my bum | 11:17 |
| giuseppe60 | I have not scanner | 11:17 |
| thor_ | giuseppe60: and i dont have scanner | 11:17 |
| giuseppe60 | thor_, I have not scanner | 11:18 |
| thor_ | giuseppe60: the only thing there to run bum is pulseaudio | 11:18 |
| giuseppe60 | thor_, I remove pulseaudio | 11:21 |
| thor_ | giuseppe60: you need any sound on you pc he he cant live with out it | 11:22 |
| giuseppe60 | no | 11:22 |
| thor_ | giuseppe60: ok close bum and run sudo sysv-rc-conf | 11:23 |
| thor_ | giuseppe60: ups you has to apply before close bum | 11:23 |
| cristian_c | bioterror, I've copied the 'panels' directory | 11:24 |
| cristian_c | bioterror, What do I do now? | 11:25 |
| bioterror | you copied what to where | 11:26 |
| giuseppe60 | tertl6, I opened sysv-rc-conf | 11:26 |
| bioterror | cristian_c, you can just remove lxpanel folder under the ~/.config/ | 11:26 |
| thor_ | giuseppe60: fine is there any in pppd-dns if there are then unmark it with space | 11:27 |
| cristian_c | bioterror, I had already removed | 11:28 |
| giuseppe60 | thor_, pppd-dns is (x) 1 | 11:28 |
| thor_ | giuseppe60: unmark it and dns-clean | 11:29 |
| giuseppe60 | dns-clean (x) 1 | 11:29 |
| thor_ | giuseppe60: umark | 11:29 |
| thor_ | giuseppe60: unmark | 11:29 |
| giuseppe60 | how to unmark ??? | 11:30 |
| thor_ | giuseppe60: with space | 11:30 |
| giuseppe60 | ok | 11:30 |
| cristian_c | bioterror, What do I do now? | 11:30 |
| giuseppe60 | killprocs ( x) 1 | 11:31 |
| giuseppe60 | halt ( x) 1 | 11:31 |
| thor_ | giuseppe60: you are running lubuntu 11.10 and i am running lubuntu 12.04 so can you tell me what there is mark | 11:32 |
| thor_ | giuseppe60: cant spell | 11:33 |
| giuseppe60 | thor_, are the points where I got the ( X) i | 11:34 |
| thor_ | giuseppe60: yes because there different 11.10 and 12.04 | 11:35 |
| thor_ | giuseppe60: my lubuntu just crash danm not stable yet | 11:42 |
| thor_1 | he he lubuntu 12.04 crash then running sudo sysv-rc-conf and use the + button killprocs | 11:47 |
| cristian_c | bioterror, I still do not see the volume icon | 11:55 |
| cristian_c | bioterror, any ideas? | 11:56 |
| thor_1 | giuseppe60:this is about sysv-rc-conf ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89491 | 11:59 |
| bioterror | cristian_c, is your installation clean? or have you installed first ubuntu and then lubuntu afterwards? | 12:04 |
| cristian_c | bioterror, I've installed lubuntu with own live cd | 12:05 |
| bioterror | okay | 12:05 |
| iceroot | hi | 12:12 |
| iceroot | maybe we can mark this bug as "high"? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxpanel/+bug/846878 it really makes lubuntu very ugly on a laptop | 12:12 |
| ubot5` | Launchpad bug 846878 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "empty space between time applet and nm-applet" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 12:12 |
| bioterror | cristian_c, that really gives some headache | 12:13 |
| cristian_c | bioterror, I do not know how to control which problem afflicts the panel :( | 12:18 |
| cristian_c | bioterror, any ideas? | 13:17 |
| bioterror | cristian_c, sorry, I'm at work and I have to solve problems here too | 13:23 |
| cristian_c | bioterror, thanks anyway for your interest | 13:23 |
| bioterror | yeah, we can solve this later ;) | 13:24 |
| === szczur_ is now known as szczur | ||
| RenatoHenrique90 | Hello, I am having some troubles installing Lubuntu (or any version of Buntus that doesn't have the DVD option to install not only desktop but the full package), everytime the computer boots, after a few minutes it freezes and I can only move the mouse, Alt+ SysRq + RIESUB works but Alt+SysRq+K won't. | 13:33 |
| RenatoHenrique90 | I have an GTX 460 and I read that if there is a drive compabiilty issue, it might happen, but I didn't find a way to install the proprietary drive before the system lock up | 13:34 |
| RenatoHenrique90 | (I am having to use Kubuntu, but I didn't really like this and I prefered the LFCE visal more - but Kubuntu converted to Lubuntu isn't the same) | 13:35 |
| RenatoHenrique90 | anyone here? :P | 13:36 |
| epictetus | I am | 13:41 |
| epictetus | no idea on your problem though sorry | 13:41 |
| iceroot | RenatoHenrique90: so your issue is you can install ubuntu/kubuntu from dvd but nothing from cd | 13:42 |
| RenatoHenrique90 | yes | 13:42 |
| iceroot | RenatoHenrique90: you already have kubuntu installed? | 13:42 |
| iceroot | RenatoHenrique90: but you want lubuntu instead? | 13:43 |
| RenatoHenrique90 | yes, I am running kubuntu with the full install (only desktop install won't work as well) | 13:43 |
| RenatoHenrique90 | yes | 13:43 |
| iceroot | RenatoHenrique90: a clean lubuntu | 13:43 |
| iceroot | !purelxde | RenatoHenrique90 | 13:43 |
| ubot5` | RenatoHenrique90: If you want to remove all !KDE, !GNOME and !XFCE packages and have a default !Lubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde » | 13:43 |
| iceroot | RenatoHenrique90: just use the apt-get remove command on that page related to your ubuntu-version | 13:43 |
| RenatoHenrique90 | I tryed that ubot5, it's very strange | 13:43 |
| RenatoHenrique90 | I mean, it didn't feel lubuntu | 13:44 |
| RenatoHenrique90 | felt like I broke something and patched up on my HD | 13:44 |
| iceroot | RenatoHenrique90: that command will give you the same as if you install lubuntu directly | 13:44 |
| iceroot | RenatoHenrique90: but i am not sure if it is working atm for 12.04 | 13:44 |
| RenatoHenrique90 | using 11.10, but it works partially, it doesn't really turn into lubuntu, but gives you LFCA and leave some remaining KDE stuff in it | 13:45 |
| iceroot | RenatoHenrique90: sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop | 13:46 |
| iceroot | RenatoHenrique90: its pulling everything which is needed for lubuntu and its the same as a lubuntu-cd | 13:46 |
| RenatoHenrique90 | did sudo aptitude install lubuntu-desktop folllowed by the remove all KDE stuff | 13:46 |
| iceroot | RenatoHenrique90: first remove kde then install lubuntu-desktop | 13:47 |
| iceroot | RenatoHenrique90: please use the exact command ubot5` was telling you | 13:47 |
| iceroot | RenatoHenrique90: ubot5` tells you a apt-get command not an aptitude command | 13:47 |
| RenatoHenrique90 | well, I said I did that last install and felt broken, I searched to see if I should have had apt-get or aptitude and didn't find and neither find the order, will try with that order them | 13:49 |
| RenatoHenrique90 | do I need to kill xwindow for that? | 13:49 |
| iceroot | RenatoHenrique90: no | 13:50 |
| raphaelle | On Gnumeri / Lubuntu, Is it possible to Reference a Cell in Another Document like explained here http://help.libreoffice.org/Calc/Referencing_a_Cell_in_Another_Document ? each time I try to select another document this document gets the focus and this is all that happens :-/ is that due to LXDE (lubuntu) ? | 14:14 |
| RenatoHenrique90 | is it possible to use a Live-CD to start a boot and use the Live-USB version on computers that doesn't have USB Boot support on their bios? | 14:19 |
| giuseppe60 | hello | 15:19 |
| giuseppe60 | hello | 16:36 |
| giuseppe60 | I recently installed Lubuntu, Lubuntu to open to my Pentium 4 CPU 1500 Mghz, 1Gb ram, it takes 55 seconds, you can not improve? | 16:36 |
| holstein | to open? | 16:36 |
| holstein | to boot up you mean? | 16:36 |
| holstein | nothing that i would consider worth the effort personally.. http://askubuntu.com/questions/66919/improve-boot-time | 16:37 |
| holstein | id say you can stress about that for a few hours and shave off maybe 20 seconds | 16:37 |
| giuseppe60 | holstein, in BUM I disabled everything except upgrades and preload | 16:39 |
| holstein | cool... im sure you can complie your own kernel.. you can *not* start X.. you can try something like awesome instead of LXDE ...you can disable hardware you are not using | 16:40 |
| holstein | 55 seconds is pretty good for todays OS's... i use netbooks a lot, and just sleep them... | 16:41 |
| giuseppe60 | holstein, You say that 55 seconds is good? | 16:42 |
| holstein | giuseppe60: what im implying is, i would be fine waiting 55 seconds for my OS to boot, since i restart typically about every 3 months or so | 16:42 |
| holstein | wouldnt matter to me if it to 6 minutes | 16:42 |
| holstein | you *can* boot faster... at some point its going to be a compromise in functionality for you | 16:43 |
| giuseppe60 | holstein, ok thanks | 16:43 |
| holstein | and again... you will spend _hours_ shaving that time off | 16:43 |
| giuseppe60 | holstein, why not perfect epiphany? Think that with my PC, the web pages run faster | 16:53 |
| MrChrisDruif | holstein; Awesome instead of Openbox you mean? | 16:53 |
| MrChrisDruif | giuseppe60; is it that *terrible* that it boots in 55 secs? | 16:54 |
| giuseppe60 | MrChrisDruif, I thought it was too 55 seconds | 16:55 |
| MrChrisDruif | ?? | 16:55 |
| MrChrisDruif | Is the overall experience satisfactory? Or is it lagging? | 16:56 |
| giuseppe60 | MrChrisDruif, Lubuntu is a good system from operations | 16:57 |
| MrChrisDruif | So why so sad about booting in about 55 secs? It's only about a minute, I'd hate to wonder how long Windows would take for booting | 16:58 |
| giuseppe60 | the same time Windows XP | 16:59 |
| giuseppe60 | MrChrisDruif, why not perfect epiphany? Think that with my PC, the web pages run faster | 17:01 |
| valdur55 | Hello, i am having problem with sound icon. | 17:01 |
| MrChrisDruif | What do you mean with perfect epiphany? | 17:02 |
| valdur55 | And with media-keys | 17:02 |
| giuseppe60 | MrChrisDruif, epiphany lacks the translation of web pages, not downloading files (pdf, pps, wna) by e-mail | 17:04 |
| MrChrisDruif | giuseppe60; you're talking about fixing bugs for epiphany? The default GNOME web browser? | 17:05 |
| giuseppe60 | MrChrisDruif, excuse me I find these problems | 17:06 |
| MrChrisDruif | I'm just asking, not pointing any fingers ^_^ | 17:07 |
| valdur55 | hey. lubuntu volume icon is real problem! | 17:07 |
| MrChrisDruif | You know that practically every gnome centric distro isn't even shipping with epiphany, but they're working on a new gtk3 version which seems better giuseppe60 | 17:08 |
| MrChrisDruif | What is the issue valdur55 | 17:08 |
| giuseppe60 | MrChrisDruif, for my pc pentium 4, epiphany is very fast compared to chromium and firefox | 17:08 |
| MrChrisDruif | giuseppe60; so could midori be | 17:09 |
| valdur55 | it doesn't provide visual feedback and it's wrong mapped | 17:10 |
| MrChrisDruif | You mean that pop-up window? | 17:10 |
| valdur55 | Notify :) | 17:10 |
| valdur55 | And volume icon slider | 17:11 |
| MrChrisDruif | valdur55; does that also happen with a different icon theme? | 17:11 |
| giuseppe60 | valdur55, You have problems with the volume? | 17:11 |
| valdur55 | Look volumeicon slider | 17:11 |
| valdur55 | I have problems with my media keys | 17:12 |
| valdur55 | - + and mute | 17:12 |
| valdur55 | - key causes mute and nothing more | 17:12 |
| giuseppe60 | MrChrisDruif, midori is so ?? | 17:12 |
| MrChrisDruif | Midori is another lightweight browser | 17:12 |
| giuseppe60 | MrChrisDruif, you can install in Lubuntu? | 17:13 |
| MrChrisDruif | Yup | 17:13 |
| giuseppe60 | lubuntu software center ?? | 17:14 |
| valdur55 | keybinds doesn't work | 17:14 |
| giuseppe60 | MrChrisDruif, lubuntu software center ?? | 17:16 |
| MrChrisDruif | Yup | 17:17 |
| valdur55 | Oh i found messy line... | 17:17 |
| MrChrisDruif | A messy line even valdur55 ? | 17:18 |
| valdur55 | XF86AudioLowerVolume keybind is related to toggle and -5% . | 17:18 |
| valdur55 | ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml | 17:18 |
| valdur55 | oh . 3%- and toggle | 17:19 |
| valdur55 | should i make pastebin? | 17:20 |
| valdur55 | yep, problem is also in source package | 17:28 |
| valdur55 | Oh.. i can't use xdg-open https://bugs.launchpad.net and ubuntu-bug fails | 17:36 |
| MrChrisDruif | Awkward, anyhow I'm off to dinner | 17:36 |
| valdur | lubuntu should use better volume control app | 18:24 |
| valdur | or improve it..... | 18:24 |
| smile | valdur: like Ubuntu? :) | 18:24 |
| valdur | not just that way :) look volumeicon-alsa solution | 18:25 |
| smile | ok ;) | 18:25 |
| valdur | but there is some bugs... | 18:26 |
| valdur | Look slider solution :) it's pretty nice | 18:26 |
| valdur | oh.. it's simpler to improve volumeicon-alsa | 18:28 |
| valdur | oh.. and sound toggle isn't working | 18:38 |
| valdur | What is lubuntu's volume control provider? | 18:48 |
| valdur | Oh.. default volume icon is blocker.... | 18:59 |
| uls88 | hey guys | 20:56 |
| uls88 | can someone help me | 20:56 |
| uls88 | with something | 20:56 |
| freeroute | hi all | 20:57 |
| freeroute | I just obserbes something interesting | 20:58 |
| freeroute | *observed | 20:58 |
| uls88 | what is that | 20:58 |
| freeroute | so I rebooted into a liveUSB environment of Lubuntu 11.10 since the last session overloaded | 20:58 |
| uls88 | yes ? | 20:58 |
| freeroute | wait I'm typing this all :p | 20:58 |
| uls88 | ;s orry | 20:59 |
| freeroute | so fresh boot into the live system, I fired up the task manager, unclicked "show memory used by cache as free" and noted it took only around 1150mb RAM out of 3021mb | 21:00 |
| freeroute | then, I did a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade | 21:00 |
| freeroute | it said it would download 206 worth of archives, that's ok and my system handled the update process | 21:00 |
| freeroute | but afterwards the RAM got up to 2700mb RAM | 21:01 |
| freeroute | so that's when I did apt-get clean | 21:01 |
| uls88 | 2 words | 21:01 |
| uls88 | install gentoo | 21:01 |
| freeroute | but still around 2400mb worth of RAM after upgrade process | 21:01 |
| freeroute | lol | 21:01 |
| freeroute | I would if I could, it's just that I tend to value my time :p | 21:02 |
| uls88 | xD | 21:02 |
| freeroute | but you're not a true Gentoomen until you did at least a stage 1 install | 21:03 |
| Unit193 | freeroute: Try checking what's taking so much ram | 21:03 |
| uls88 | btw | 21:04 |
| uls88 | guys | 21:04 |
| freeroute | Unit193: VM-size right? | 21:04 |
| uls88 | what should I stick with | 21:04 |
| uls88 | chromium or | 21:04 |
| uls88 | nightly | 21:04 |
| Unit193 | That's your option | 21:04 |
| uls88 | well isnt chromium botnet ? | 21:05 |
| Unit193 | freeroute: Well, I personally use htop, but that taskmanager should be able to pull that info | 21:05 |
| freeroute | I would say Chromium if you want to be stable, and Nightly if you want the cutting edge | 21:05 |
| MrChrisDruif | uls88; no need to *bash* lubuntu | 21:05 |
| freeroute | MrChrisDruif: but Lubuntu has Bash | 21:05 |
| wxl | MrChrisDruif: *sh* enough linux jokes | 21:05 |
| freeroute | xD | 21:06 |
| MrChrisDruif | freeroute; I was referring to has redirect to gentoo | 21:06 |
| uls88 | and one other problem I have... im am on thinkpad x61 tablet and you know I have stylus and it doesnt have any pressure sense when I draw in gimp, and I dont know how actually to install it drivers from wacom... since its linux not windows | 21:06 |
| freeroute | Unit193: that's weird, task manager says nm-applet has 252mb followed by chromium browser | 21:07 |
| Unit193 | Chromium, no suprise there | 21:08 |
| MrChrisDruif | Yup | 21:08 |
| freeroute | MrChrisDruif: yeah installing Gentoo is kind of an inside joke (which according to my observations neckbeards usually make) | 21:08 |
| freeroute | Unit193: yeah but that was before I launched chromium | 21:09 |
| wxl | hm: | 21:10 |
| wxl | All neckbeards are Dungeons & Dragons-obsessed losers, and vice versa. It is not known at this time whether growing a neckbeard causes one to play Dungeons & Dragons or playing Dungeons & Dragons causes one to grow a neckbeard. | 21:10 |
| MrChrisDruif | freeroute; join #lubuntu-offtopic for offtopic chat ^_^ | 21:10 |
| MrChrisDruif | wxl; offtopic, don't you think? | 21:10 |
| freeroute | Unit193: you could try putting Lubuntu 11.10 on USB, booting off of it and doing the upgrade process just like I did if you have time | 21:11 |
| uls88 | can someone please help me with my problem xD | 21:11 |
| freeroute | MrChrisDruif: Neckbeards are never off topic :p | 21:11 |
| * wxl is too busy to bother with scrollback but has had 11.10 on USB and booted off it successfully. | 21:13 | |
| wxl | also package updates | 21:13 |
| wxl | …so what's the deal, freeroute ? | 21:13 |
| uls88 | grats | 21:13 |
| uls88 | how to instlal | 21:13 |
| wxl | and your issue is with a tablet or what uls88 ? | 21:13 |
| uls88 | wacom drivers | 21:13 |
| uls88 | for | 21:13 |
| uls88 | x61 t | 21:14 |
| uls88 | I have a tablet pc... i mean my screen is a tablet | 21:14 |
| wxl | oh crikey i have no clue on that one. i'd be googling just the same as you | 21:14 |
| uls88 | well google is dead end :D | 21:14 |
| uls88 | on this one | 21:14 |
| uls88 | its too obscoure I guess | 21:14 |
| MrChrisDruif | uls88; does gimp have pressure sensitive drawing capabilities? | 21:14 |
| wxl | you saw https://help.ubuntu.com/community/X61T uls88 ? | 21:15 |
| uls88 | yeah I guess, before 2 months I was using it in ubuntu on different machine... and it has | 21:15 |
| uls88 | wxl I will see this | 21:15 |
| MrChrisDruif | I used a different program, myTouch it was called I think? | 21:15 |
| freeroute | wxl: package updates themselves are not the problem (if the user has enough RAM), it's just when the apt updater tells you that additional 26mb is going to get installed but then adds a whopping 1+gig to your system... things get a bit... emotional | 21:15 |
| wxl | it's old but it should be able to be adapted | 21:15 |
| wxl | freeroute: i haven't necessarily checked disk usage before and after… | 21:16 |
| wxl | freeroute: but if your system works, it works. and if you've looked at the installed packages and there's nothing extraneous than you're good | 21:16 |
| wxl | freeroute: might want to try installing without following recommends | 21:16 |
| freeroute | I can understand that with regular installed-on-disk systems it wouldn't be an issue, but when running in a live environment, RAM is just everything that you've got. And you better be ready to fight for it! | 21:18 |
| freeroute | ok that last part perhaps was a bit sensationalist | 21:18 |
| wxl | freeroute: like i said, no recommends | 21:18 |
| freeroute | will do :) | 21:18 |
| wxl | may be intelligent for the live system to be set up that way by default | 21:19 |
| wxl | …but afaik the install is a copy of the live environment so that may not be a boon in the end | 21:19 |
| freeroute | yeah I can definitely imagine unaware users just upgrading while they have half RAM that I have, or even 1/4 | 21:20 |
| freeroute | and then everything gets stuck | 21:20 |
| wxl | the only way for it to work would be to have two separate live copies, one for usb and one for cd | 21:20 |
| wxl | which i imagine is another layer of difficulty in terms of maintenance | 21:21 |
| Unit193 | I have °512.... | 21:21 |
| wxl | i would guess that your average user installing by usb has more than enough ram | 21:21 |
| Unit193 | Used after updateÑ 164/495MB | 21:21 |
| wxl | and typically they're installing rather than running live, i would guess | 21:21 |
| wxl | well the latter is a poor assumption | 21:22 |
| wxl | i take it back | 21:22 |
| freeroute | Unit193: does htop have a similar function (show memory used by cache as free) which task manager has? | 21:23 |
| freeroute | wxl: maybe a warning system? Like "This action will probably use all your RAM, use at own risk!" | 21:24 |
| wxl | freeroute: it would be global. for everyone, live or not. i could see maybe one way of tweaking it, but again, it would get copied to your hdd install which would be lame. | 21:25 |
| freeroute | I've noticed that the way the flash player dealt with over accumulating in RAM is just crashing and dropping all of its data in RAM | 21:26 |
| freeroute | and then none of the youtube video's about cats work anymore | 21:27 |
| bioterror | use youtube with html5 | 21:28 |
| iceroot | freeroute: dont use flash | 21:28 |
| iceroot | freeroute: its evil | 21:28 |
| bioterror | http://youtube.com/html5 | 21:28 |
| bioterror | every time you use flash, a kitten dies! | 21:28 |
| freeroute | ah, so it was cat karma in operation the whole time | 21:29 |
| freeroute | don't HTML5 video's take up more space btw? | 21:30 |
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| iceroot | freeroute: no | 21:30 |
| phillw | freeroute: as per the other replies, flash is being depreciated, even by Adobe, join the html5 trial at http://www.youtube.com/testtube | 21:30 |
| iceroot | freeroute: html5 is just the method to deliver it not the method to save it | 21:30 |
| iceroot | freeroute: also non-free software is bad, especially flash (not only because its very slow and takes a lot of ressources) you should always try to use a free (as in freedom) alternate | 21:31 |
| iceroot | hm maybe i watched to many speechs of super-richie :) | 21:32 |
| freeroute | iceroot: RMS is a hero, and I am trying to use libre software as much as possible, it's just that for some applications the propriatary software ones are too... superior :p | 21:33 |
| iceroot | freeroute: yes he is | 21:33 |
| RenatoHenrique90 | Hello again | 21:33 |
| iceroot | freeroute: but its up to us to not support such software, else there will never be a change if noone will do something against it | 21:34 |
| RenatoHenrique90 | Is there a way to start a liveUSB into terminal? Trying to start my USB Lubuntu setup (for driving my system with me w/e I go) into my desktop, but it always freezes here (only here, perfect in onboard video card computers, I have an GTX460). | 21:34 |
| RenatoHenrique90 | hey iceroot :P | 21:35 |
| iceroot | a future with flash, i-tunes, steam, origin and so on | 21:35 |
| freeroute | iceroot: and a lot of people are starting to realize this, it's just that in some niches it's just not an option yet (specifically music production / performance and so on) | 21:35 |
| iceroot | RenatoHenrique90: alternate-cd | 21:35 |
| iceroot | RenatoHenrique90: or minimal-iso, both are not starting a gui | 21:36 |
| freeroute | isn't there some kind of a key combo which will start the live environment without X ? | 21:37 |
| RenatoHenrique90 | ice, I mean to use my LiveUSB to actually use it as my system in my work (computers are really bad there and as I tested today, they work WAYYYY better with Lubuntu than with Windows XP. I only need to start w/o any sort of gui in my desktop that has some kind of incompatibility with any GUI non-full install | 21:37 |
| iceroot | freeroute: i am not sure if the ncurse-installer in on the normal cd | 21:37 |
| freeroute | iceroot: please forgive my ignorance, but how is the ncurses installer related to starting without X? | 21:39 |
| freeroute | * booting into the live environment | 21:39 |
| iceroot | freeroute: i thought we are talking about starting the installer without a gui | 21:40 |
| iceroot | RenatoHenrique90: ^ | 21:41 |
| RenatoHenrique90 | no, I mean actually using the system (I want to use it on my work, but first I needed to download some stuffs here at home, but gui won't start w/o freezing here due to some weird reason, that I think is the Nvidia drive) | 21:41 |
| RenatoHenrique90 | not use to install on computers | 21:42 |
| RenatoHenrique90 | I needed first to disable the native nvidia drive and install the proprietary before loading the gui, otherwise my computer will freeze | 21:42 |
| iceroot | RenatoHenrique90: if you have a file /etc/X11/xorg.conf try to rename it | 21:42 |
| iceroot | !blacklist | RenatoHenrique90 | 21:42 |
| ubot5` | RenatoHenrique90: To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist.conf and add « blacklist <modulename> » to the end of that list - To explicitly load modules in a specific order, list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and type « sudo update-initramfs -u » | 21:42 |
| RenatoHenrique90 | I believe the system is hidden in the "HD" file casper-rw | 21:43 |
| freeroute | yeah that's what I vaguely remember too, it wasn't (at least easily) possible to edit system files before booting into the live environment itself | 21:44 |
| iceroot | RenatoHenrique90: you can also start the system without a gui and then do your edits | 21:44 |
| iceroot | !nox | RenatoHenrique90 | 21:45 |
| ubot5` | RenatoHenrique90: To start your system in text-only mode append 'text' (without the quotes) to the kernel line in the grub menu. You can access the grub menu by pressing Esc (Grub legacy) or Shift (Grub2) during boot. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions#Text%20Mode | 21:45 |
| RenatoHenrique90 | awsome :D | 21:45 |
| freeroute | nice | 21:45 |
| freeroute | I've always wondered this, would it be a bad idea to unplug my USB stick from which I loaded the live environment not that I've booted it up? | 21:46 |
| downbeam | is there anyway to get multiple desktops? | 21:47 |
| downbeam | is there anyway to get multiple desktops? | 21:47 |
| iceroot | downbeam: what do you mean with multiple desktops? | 21:48 |
| downbeam | like 2 diff. backgrounds | 21:48 |
| freeroute | downbeam: right-click on the 2 desktops and select "Desktop Pager settings" | 21:48 |
| freeroute | that way you could add multiple desktops, but not different backgrounds | 21:48 |
| downbeam | damn is there anyway to get diff. backgrounds? | 21:49 |
| downbeam | damn is there anyway to get diff. backgrounds? | 21:50 |
| Unit193 | You don{t need to double post, and please keep it family friendly | 21:51 |
| RenatoHenrique90 | going to try booting w/o graphic | 21:52 |
| RenatoHenrique90 | ty mate | 21:52 |
| freeroute | downbeam: check out http://wallpapoz.akbarhome.com/download.html | 21:52 |
| freeroute | I don't know if it'll work on LXDE, but you can certainly try | 21:53 |
| downbeam | k thanks | 21:53 |
| freeroute | downbeam: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXOOX9wrTyk | 21:53 |
| freeroute | downbeam: and generally http://www.google.nl/search?gcx=c&sourceid=chrome&client=ubuntu&channel=cs&ie=UTF-8&q=how+to+different+wallpapers+ubuntu | 21:54 |
| iceroot | bioterror: is it ok when i take the "spaces in the applet" into the mailinggroup, so that we can discuss the issue there and maybe we can coordinate some testing/further steps | 21:56 |
| iceroot | this bug is really really bad | 21:56 |
| iceroot | s/applet/panel/ | 21:57 |
| bioterror | iceroot, bug is in the xfce4-power-manager | 21:58 |
| freeroute | iceroot: are you perhaps referring to increasing spaces in the taskbar? | 21:59 |
| bioterror | it's just not just (l)ubuntu | 21:59 |
| iceroot | bioterror: but not in xubuntu where xfce4-power-manager is used | 21:59 |
| bioterror | iceroot, oh really? | 21:59 |
| iceroot | i can also reproduce it with skype on lubuntu (sometimes) without xfce4-power-manager | 21:59 |
| bioterror | iceroot, have you used any other panels than xfce4-panel? | 21:59 |
| iceroot | only the default ones | 21:59 |
| freeroute | I'm seeing the space between my wifi reception icon and my battery icon increasing yeah | 22:00 |
| iceroot | and skype sometimes and there the bug somestimes comes up | 22:00 |
| iceroot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxpanel/+bug/846878 there is a workaround from the redhat-group | 22:00 |
| iceroot | i will do some testing about the workaround | 22:01 |
| ubot5` | Launchpad bug 846878 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "empty space between time applet and nm-applet" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 22:01 |
| iceroot | but i really think that should be fixed, it makes lubuntu very ugly | 22:01 |
| bioterror | killing xfce4-power-manager or lxpanel is not a workaround | 22:01 |
| downbeam | ok so i clicked the check mark for show desktop menu when desktop is clicked and now i can't change my desktop | 22:02 |
| downbeam | ??? | 22:02 |
| * RenatoHenrique90 cries | 22:02 | |
| iceroot | bioterror: the workaround is a scripted reload as a hook | 22:03 |
| downbeam | help? | 22:03 |
| iceroot | better then nothing, at the moment i dont have any infos about my battery here | 22:03 |
| bioterror | iceroot, read the lower comment | 22:03 |
| iceroot | ah | 22:03 |
| iceroot | ok | 22:03 |
| RenatoHenrique90 | now hardware assistance if anyone can help me, if I turn on my OnBoard video card (force on bios), will it disable my PCI-E? (last chance on loading this liveUSB through this computer) | 22:03 |
| downbeam | ok so i clicked the check mark for show desktop menu when desktop is clicked and now i can't change my desktop | 22:04 |
| iceroot | what options to we have about debugging? i tried to start lxpanel with loglevel 5 but nothing usefull | 22:04 |
| freeroute | downbeam: what check mark do you mean? | 22:04 |
| iceroot | RenatoHenrique90: depending on your board | 22:04 |
| iceroot | RenatoHenrique90: but normally not | 22:04 |
| freeroute | downbeam: can you show a screenshot? | 22:04 |
| Unit193 | downbeam: We helped you fix this last time........ | 22:05 |
| RenatoHenrique90 | so far as I was looking at my bios, I have the option to Force the Onboard to turn on and change the main to it (even with PCI-E connected) | 22:05 |
| iceroot | bioterror: and if that is a xfce4-power-manager bug as you thing, we should fill a bug on the xfce4 project i think | 22:05 |
| iceroot | RenatoHenrique90: that just means what your primary adapter will be | 22:06 |
| iceroot | i will open a bug on the xfce4 project about that issue | 22:06 |
| downbeam | unit what did we doo i cant remember??? | 22:08 |
| downbeam | ? | 22:10 |
| RenatoHenrique90 | would there be a problem if I kept my GTX460 running w/o a monitor connected to it? (apart from the linux not loading...) | 22:11 |
| downbeam | unit193 what did we doo i cant remember??? | 22:11 |
| downbeam | unit193: what did we doo i cant remember??? | 22:12 |
| Unit193 | http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/01/27/%23lubuntu.html#t18:24 | 22:12 |
| Unit193 | [16:51:19] < Unit193> You don{t need to double post | 22:13 |
| freeroute | is it me or when a picture is opened, there is no option for me to set as desktop background? | 22:13 |
| freeroute | I bet it would improve some UX to add that in the next releases if it's not in yet | 22:14 |
| downbeam | i didn't double i added a colon.. can you help me? | 22:15 |
| Unit193 | downbeam: [17:12:53] < Unit193> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/01/27/%23lubuntu.html#t18:24 | 22:15 |
| downbeam | i know but there is a way to change it back all together | 22:16 |
| downbeam | nvm thanks | 22:17 |
| iceroot | done https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8424 i will do the launchpad-linking | 22:19 |
| ubot5` | bugzilla.xfce.org bug 8424 in General "xfce4-power-manager applet is generating spaces in lxpanel when changing power-mode (e.g. ac adapter off)" [Normal,New: ] | 22:19 |
| bioterror | and also in tint2 and fluxbox's panel | 22:19 |
| bioterror | and what else | 22:19 |
| iceroot | but not in xfce4 panel... | 22:20 |
| iceroot | done, bug is linked, maybe that upstreambug will help to solve the issue | 22:25 |
| ActionParsnip | anyone having weird icon backgrounds in lxpanel? | 22:29 |
| ActionParsnip | just for wifi and bluetooth... | 22:29 |
| ActionParsnip | Looks like this: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8850924/iconbackgrouds.png | 22:32 |
| Unit193 | Haven't had that personally | 22:32 |
| ActionParsnip | let me try a fresh user | 22:32 |
| ActionParsnip | same as a new user | 22:37 |
| iceroot | ActionParsnip: seems like you are using a theme were the icons are not transparent | 22:38 |
| ActionParsnip | iceroot: its all icon sets | 22:39 |
| iceroot | ActionParsnip: sorry then i dont know | 22:43 |
| ActionParsnip | np man, bug reported | 22:43 |
| RenatoHenrique90 | iceroot, still there? | 23:46 |
| iceroot | RenatoHenrique90: not really, watching a movie | 23:46 |
| RenatoHenrique90 | kk, just so you know, activating the Onboard VGA (and the bios deactivated the GTX460) worked on not freezing the system | 23:48 |
| iceroot | RenatoHenrique90: sounds good | 23:48 |
| iceroot | RenatoHenrique90: maybe try the nonfree-drivers for the nvidia-card | 23:48 |
| RenatoHenrique90 | is it possible to install w/o having the card on? | 23:49 |
| iceroot | RenatoHenrique90: imo "jockey" is the program which is searching for nonfree drivers | 23:49 |
| iceroot | RenatoHenrique90: the driver, yes | 23:49 |
| iceroot | RenatoHenrique90: but not with jockey you have to download the deb directly | 23:49 |
| RenatoHenrique90 | will do it, only had a problem that my liveusb got corrupted (i/o error), so making a new bootableusb | 23:49 |
| iceroot | RenatoHenrique90: with apt-get | 23:49 |
| RenatoHenrique90 | (apt-get folder was the corrupted data ...) | 23:50 |
| freeroute | Uhm, how would I flush my DNS file? Or otherwise restart the DNS service? Websites I'm trying to load are met with great difficulty. | 23:55 |
| iceroot | freeroute: depending what your locally dns is | 23:55 |
| iceroot | freeroute: nscd or bind9 | 23:56 |
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