[00:30] ok this is weird, whenever I try to play flash video's the audio starts to continuously repeat itself with a duration of a few hundred miliseconds [00:30] funny thing is that when I turn off the video the audio usually still repeats itself for a while [00:34] is there a recent guide in troubleshooting ALSA issues? I find a lot which claim to be outdated [00:38] freeroute: I generallly look somewhere around here http://bit.ly/tOGHKG the Ubuntu wiki should have something too [00:39] Hmmm.... Welp, check the Ubuntu one here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting [00:41] Unit193: thanks I'll look into it [00:41] / them [00:46] It's been helpful to me, there's also a pulse page too [00:47] Unit193: is there pulseaudio present in Lubuntu? [00:47] Not unless you install it [00:48] um [00:48] wxl: Yes? [00:49] try pacat /dev/urandom and tell me you don't get anything [00:49] (point being it seems that pulse is installed) [00:49] my understanding was that pulse is installed but there are alsa plugins to fool alsa programs to work with pa [00:50] which is why alsamixer works... [00:50] Meh, I don't remember what's installed by default or what I've purged at this point ;P [00:51] well hold on i can just check services [00:51] It's fine, I'll trust you if you wish [00:51] naw now i'm curious for sure [00:52] though i use the heck out of audio for production i use jack so don't really pay attention to whatever's underlying [00:52] pulseaudio is not installed by default on lubuntu [00:52] I purged a few pulse because it was causing problems for me [00:52] libpulse0 is present, but pulseaudio itself is not provided [00:52] weird it's not installed [00:53] typical oss commands don't work e.g. cat /dev/urandom >> /dev/dsp [00:53] so it can't be that [00:53] it must be alsa [00:53] occassionally masquerading as pulseaudio which is why e.g. pacat works [00:53] Sentynel: Thanks. Mind if I ask where you came from? I've seen you around here being quite helpful [00:54] wxl: pacat's not installed by default either, but it only depends on libpulse0, not pulseaudio [00:55] Unit193: I wandered in a couple of weeks ago with a couple of issues on my laptop, which I'd just moved to lubuntu, and kinda stuck around [00:55] curious that i don't have pacat on this vm but i do on my install at home [00:55] indeed alsa-base is there [00:55] harumph [00:55] well thanks Sentynel [00:57] now maybe i can figure out how to route flash through jack! [01:05] ew java [01:05] oops [01:05] there i go again [01:24] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wicd/+bug/806381 <- [01:24] Launchpad bug 806381 in wicd (Ubuntu) "wicd RenameProcess function results in rename failed" [Undecided,Confirmed] [01:25] * wxl does NOT like wicd [01:26] thanks to the people who helped me with wireless some days ago. the error described here apparently applies to network manager. i find that my version of the file in question had the wrong paths, i.e., they matched the paths shown in the bug post [01:26] bkm: why is it a bug in wicd then??? [01:26] i think the gist of the second post is that it is not a bug in wicd. [01:27] right, so someone needs to mark it as a bug in what it is and unmark it as a bug in what it's not ;) [01:27] maybe i misunderstand [01:27] yeah, that was kind of my thought. [01:28] this is absolutely a wicd bug from what i read though [01:28] i'm still not sure if that had affected me or not. i guess i need to start with a fresh lubuntu to see how it differs from the frankenstein installation i have now [01:28] /usr/lib/python2.7/WICD/misc.py (my emphasis) is only used by wicd [01:28] can you help me how do I get icons on my desktop I can do it on ubuntu because of nautilus [01:29] josephdavidrich1: /usr/lib/python2.7/wicd/misc.py [01:29] argh [01:29] sorry [01:30] josephdavidrich1: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#How_can_I_create_a_shortcut_on_the_Desktop [01:30] THAT's it ;) [01:30] wxl: "Mitigating factor: In the process I found out that the WLAN interface is now displayed properly in the default network manager. So personally I have no more reason to run wicd." <- does this mean that a broken wicd screwed up a perfectly fine network-manager? [01:32] bkm: no he's saying that nm was messed up so he was looking for other solutions and went for wicd but in the process of resolving issues with wicd found that nm was back to working and now has no need for wicd [01:32] wxl: anyway, thanks for the help a few nights ago. lubuntu seems to be improving each release [01:32] wxl: so, both are screwed up? [01:32] bkm: that's the plan :D [01:32] rog [01:33] bkm: no he's saying that nm WAS screwed up and is now ok. wicd IS screwed up, but the workaround suggested fixes it. [01:33] personally i don't like wicd. i've said it a million times before and i'm sure everyone's sick of hearing me say it, but it's just bloaty. [01:36] wxl: agreed. i just installed it when iwlist scanning didn't work. still not sure if i broke something or if i just missed the _greyed-out_ icon on my grey taskbar... [01:36] i think the latter [01:37] i think if i were to stick the wireless card in, iwlist scanning would work. so, something changed... [01:37] hello there, it seems lubuntu is the only distro in the ubuntu family that did not include the b43-firmware out-of-the-box, ubuntu and xubuntu did (I don't remember about kubuntu). So I must plug a wire and go downloading the firmware in synaptics by myself for my wireless to work... it means that I can't use the lubuntu live USB on my netbook. Maybe I missed something ? Any idea if it will be included in the next release ? [01:38] entreri: no idea. however, i can tell you lubuntu is often targeted at older machines so wireless *AT ALL* may not even be so much of a concern [01:43] wxl: it's not a big concern, all I need is to download the firmware in synaptics, but I think it's strange that I could activate the restricted driver just by clicking the "activate" button in ubuntu and xubuntu - and it worked, but in lubuntu it says "see path/to/jockey.log", and I think it failed at the "download" part, cause I was not connected. [01:44] I was not connected in ubuntu and xubuntu, it skipped the download part, so the firmware was included [01:44] entreri: understood. you're not the first to bring this up. i think part of the problem may be lubuntu finding its identity. i see about 50/50 people using it on old hardware as i do see people using new hardware [01:47] wxl: yeah, I just hope it will be included for the next release. Do you know if the Ubuntu Software Center will be there too to replace synaptics ? [01:49] lubuntu software center yes [01:49] well, should be [01:50] nice, thanks a lot [01:51] it's getting there [01:51] we're up to alpha 2 but it's still got some annoying bugs [01:51] i wouldn't recommend trying to make alpha 2 work unless you're going to stick it in a vm and don't mind fiddling [01:52] supposedly there's a major change in the latest that might get rid of those annoying bugs [01:52] if that's the case, i'll have a new vm and can tell you definitively what is and what isn't installed === calvin_ is now known as gleek [06:57] anyone figure out how to disable notifications yet [07:12] LubuntuPowered: Not looked into it, but last case you can uninstall it [07:53] Unit193: brilliant [09:21] hello [09:21] do not open files. pps in Lubuntu: how? [09:22] you might want to install libreoffice, and there's that presentation program [09:22] wasnt pps for power point?-) [09:22] "Impress" [09:22] Yep [09:22] bioterror: correct [09:22] http://www.libreoffice.org/features/impress/ [09:23] for a moment I was like "or was it photoshop something" ;D [09:24] in Lubuntu is installed abiword and gnumeric [09:24] yep, but no power point presentation application [09:25] You'd have to install [09:26] how to install LibreOffice in Lubuntu? [09:26] sudo apt-get install libreoffice [09:26] ok [09:26] you can specify a language if you want too [09:27] May need -gtk or whatnot to make it "shiny" [09:28] ok now install LibreOffice [09:30] after installing LibreOffice, better throw abiword and gnumeric? [09:30] yes [09:31] with remove [09:41] we now see pps files [09:41] thanks [09:51] LibreOffice to put it in Italian? [09:56] I forgot how much I like lubuntu. <3 [09:57] < bioterror> you can specify a language if you want too [09:57] giuseppe60:sudo apt-get install libreoffice-l10n-it [09:58] tenach: That so? 11.10? [09:58] Can grab the helpfiles and spelling too [10:00] Unit193, Yes! I'm loving 11.10 [10:00] iceroot, ok thanks [10:01] giuseppe60: and this is the italien help libreoffice-help-it [10:02] dont we have metapackages for something like that? [10:02] iceroot, ok [10:15] ok libreoffice is in Italian -------Thanks to all [10:15] Hi [10:15] I'm using lubuntu 11.10 [10:16] I can not see the volume icon on the panel [10:16] I added, but still can not see it [10:16] What can I do? [10:19] cristian_c, and the sound does work? [10:20] bioterror, yes [10:24] bioterror, I do not know what I can do to make it appear [10:24] I installed epiphany, but I can not download the files (pdf, pps, vma) by email: epiphany is a problem? [10:25] giuseppe60, we dont know, we use chromium ;) [10:25] bioterror, ok thanks [10:26] cristian_c, could be okay to reset the lxpanel [10:29] bioterror, Is there a specific command? [10:38] bioterror, What happens after I reset the panel? [10:39] bioterror, I would not like to do any disaster [10:39] you just remove all the config files, and it should copy correct ones back [10:40] ok [10:40] I'm so ecstatic to be back into a working linux desktop. :D! I can code again! [10:44] tenach, when it was broken?-) [10:49] Hi I have just downloaded lubuntu 12.04 alpha 2 and installed it in VirtualBox, and all programs open in full screen. ?? shall lubuntu should look like that [10:49] not shouls [10:50] bioterror, I hadn't gotten any distro to work on my laptop... last resort i threw Lubuntu on it, and bam... 90% perfect. [11:01] thor_, hello [11:02] giuseppe60: hello how fast is you boot [11:02] thor_, still 50 seconds. [11:03] giuseppe60: shall we try make a part 2 [11:04] giuseppe60: install bum in synaptic [11:04] thor_, already installed [11:05] giuseppe60: ok have you turn some off them off [11:05] thor_, boot-up-manager ?? [11:05] giuseppe60: yes [11:07] thor_, are active only unattendend-upgrades,,,,pulseaudio,,pppd-dns,,,dns-clean,,preload,, [11:09] giuseppe60: do you have adls internet [11:11] yes [11:11] thor_, yes [11:12] giuseppe60: then you dont need pppd-dns and dns-clean [11:12] thor_, ok take it off [11:13] giuseppe60: and ntp saned [11:15] giuseppe60: then we run in terminal sudo sysv-rc-conf [11:15] thor_, I do not know what is [11:15] thor_, already done sudo sysv-rc-conf [11:16] giuseppe60: ntp update the system time and saned is scanner [11:16] nein scanner [11:17] giuseppe60: none scanner hmmm strange it is on my bum [11:17] I have not scanner [11:17] giuseppe60: and i dont have scanner [11:18] thor_, I have not scanner [11:18] giuseppe60: the only thing there to run bum is pulseaudio [11:21] thor_, I remove pulseaudio [11:22] giuseppe60: you need any sound on you pc he he cant live with out it [11:22] no [11:23] giuseppe60: ok close bum and run sudo sysv-rc-conf [11:23] giuseppe60: ups you has to apply before close bum [11:24] bioterror, I've copied the 'panels' directory [11:25] bioterror, What do I do now? [11:26] you copied what to where [11:26] tertl6, I opened sysv-rc-conf [11:26] cristian_c, you can just remove lxpanel folder under the ~/.config/ [11:27] giuseppe60: fine is there any in pppd-dns if there are then unmark it with space [11:28] bioterror, I had already removed [11:28] thor_, pppd-dns is (x) 1 [11:29] giuseppe60: unmark it and dns-clean [11:29] dns-clean (x) 1 [11:29] giuseppe60: umark [11:29] giuseppe60: unmark [11:30] how to unmark ??? [11:30] giuseppe60: with space [11:30] ok [11:30] bioterror, What do I do now? [11:31] killprocs ( x) 1 [11:31] halt ( x) 1 [11:32] giuseppe60: you are running lubuntu 11.10 and i am running lubuntu 12.04 so can you tell me what there is mark [11:33] giuseppe60: cant spell [11:34] thor_, are the points where I got the ( X) i [11:35] giuseppe60: yes because there different 11.10 and 12.04 [11:42] giuseppe60: my lubuntu just crash danm not stable yet [11:47] he he lubuntu 12.04 crash then running sudo sysv-rc-conf and use the + button killprocs [11:55] bioterror, I still do not see the volume icon [11:56] bioterror, any ideas? [11:59] giuseppe60:this is about sysv-rc-conf ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89491 [12:04] cristian_c, is your installation clean? or have you installed first ubuntu and then lubuntu afterwards? [12:05] bioterror, I've installed lubuntu with own live cd [12:05] okay [12:12] hi [12:12] maybe we can mark this bug as "high"? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxpanel/+bug/846878 it really makes lubuntu very ugly on a laptop [12:12] Launchpad bug 846878 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "empty space between time applet and nm-applet" [Undecided,Confirmed] [12:13] cristian_c, that really gives some headache [12:18] bioterror, I do not know how to control which problem afflicts the panel :( [13:17] bioterror, any ideas? [13:23] cristian_c, sorry, I'm at work and I have to solve problems here too [13:23] bioterror, thanks anyway for your interest [13:24] yeah, we can solve this later ;) === szczur_ is now known as szczur [13:33] Hello, I am having some troubles installing Lubuntu (or any version of Buntus that doesn't have the DVD option to install not only desktop but the full package), everytime the computer boots, after a few minutes it freezes and I can only move the mouse, Alt+ SysRq + RIESUB works but Alt+SysRq+K won't. [13:34] I have an GTX 460 and I read that if there is a drive compabiilty issue, it might happen, but I didn't find a way to install the proprietary drive before the system lock up [13:35] (I am having to use Kubuntu, but I didn't really like this and I prefered the LFCE visal more - but Kubuntu converted to Lubuntu isn't the same) [13:36] anyone here? :P [13:41] I am [13:41] no idea on your problem though sorry [13:42] RenatoHenrique90: so your issue is you can install ubuntu/kubuntu from dvd but nothing from cd [13:42] yes [13:42] RenatoHenrique90: you already have kubuntu installed? [13:43] RenatoHenrique90: but you want lubuntu instead? [13:43] yes, I am running kubuntu with the full install (only desktop install won't work as well) [13:43] yes [13:43] RenatoHenrique90: a clean lubuntu [13:43] !purelxde | RenatoHenrique90 [13:43] RenatoHenrique90: If you want to remove all !KDE, !GNOME and !XFCE packages and have a default !Lubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde » [13:43] RenatoHenrique90: just use the apt-get remove command on that page related to your ubuntu-version [13:43] I tryed that ubot5, it's very strange [13:44] I mean, it didn't feel lubuntu [13:44] felt like I broke something and patched up on my HD [13:44] RenatoHenrique90: that command will give you the same as if you install lubuntu directly [13:44] RenatoHenrique90: but i am not sure if it is working atm for 12.04 [13:45] using 11.10, but it works partially, it doesn't really turn into lubuntu, but gives you LFCA and leave some remaining KDE stuff in it [13:46] RenatoHenrique90: sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop [13:46] RenatoHenrique90: its pulling everything which is needed for lubuntu and its the same as a lubuntu-cd [13:46] did sudo aptitude install lubuntu-desktop folllowed by the remove all KDE stuff [13:47] RenatoHenrique90: first remove kde then install lubuntu-desktop [13:47] RenatoHenrique90: please use the exact command ubot5` was telling you [13:47] RenatoHenrique90: ubot5` tells you a apt-get command not an aptitude command [13:49] well, I said I did that last install and felt broken, I searched to see if I should have had apt-get or aptitude and didn't find and neither find the order, will try with that order them [13:49] do I need to kill xwindow for that? [13:50] RenatoHenrique90: no [14:14] On Gnumeri / Lubuntu, Is it possible to Reference a Cell in Another Document like explained here http://help.libreoffice.org/Calc/Referencing_a_Cell_in_Another_Document ? each time I try to select another document this document gets the focus and this is all that happens :-/ is that due to LXDE (lubuntu) ? [14:19] is it possible to use a Live-CD to start a boot and use the Live-USB version on computers that doesn't have USB Boot support on their bios? [15:19] hello [16:36] hello [16:36] I recently installed Lubuntu, Lubuntu to open to my Pentium 4 CPU 1500 Mghz, 1Gb ram, it takes 55 seconds, you can not improve? [16:36] to open? [16:36] to boot up you mean? [16:37] nothing that i would consider worth the effort personally.. http://askubuntu.com/questions/66919/improve-boot-time [16:37] id say you can stress about that for a few hours and shave off maybe 20 seconds [16:39] holstein, in BUM I disabled everything except upgrades and preload [16:40] cool... im sure you can complie your own kernel.. you can *not* start X.. you can try something like awesome instead of LXDE ...you can disable hardware you are not using [16:41] 55 seconds is pretty good for todays OS's... i use netbooks a lot, and just sleep them... [16:42] holstein, You say that 55 seconds is good? [16:42] giuseppe60: what im implying is, i would be fine waiting 55 seconds for my OS to boot, since i restart typically about every 3 months or so [16:42] wouldnt matter to me if it to 6 minutes [16:43] you *can* boot faster... at some point its going to be a compromise in functionality for you [16:43] holstein, ok thanks [16:43] and again... you will spend _hours_ shaving that time off [16:53] holstein, why not perfect epiphany? Think that with my PC, the web pages run faster [16:53] holstein; Awesome instead of Openbox you mean? [16:54] giuseppe60; is it that *terrible* that it boots in 55 secs? [16:55] MrChrisDruif, I thought it was too 55 seconds [16:55] ?? [16:56] Is the overall experience satisfactory? Or is it lagging? [16:57] MrChrisDruif, Lubuntu is a good system from operations [16:58] So why so sad about booting in about 55 secs? It's only about a minute, I'd hate to wonder how long Windows would take for booting [16:59] the same time Windows XP [17:01] MrChrisDruif, why not perfect epiphany? Think that with my PC, the web pages run faster [17:01] Hello, i am having problem with sound icon. [17:02] What do you mean with perfect epiphany? [17:02] And with media-keys [17:04] MrChrisDruif, epiphany lacks the translation of web pages, not downloading files (pdf, pps, wna) by e-mail [17:05] giuseppe60; you're talking about fixing bugs for epiphany? The default GNOME web browser? [17:06] MrChrisDruif, excuse me I find these problems [17:07] I'm just asking, not pointing any fingers ^_^ [17:07] hey. lubuntu volume icon is real problem! [17:08] You know that practically every gnome centric distro isn't even shipping with epiphany, but they're working on a new gtk3 version which seems better giuseppe60 [17:08] What is the issue valdur55 [17:08] MrChrisDruif, for my pc pentium 4, epiphany is very fast compared to chromium and firefox [17:09] giuseppe60; so could midori be [17:10] it doesn't provide visual feedback and it's wrong mapped [17:10] You mean that pop-up window? [17:10] Notify :) [17:11] And volume icon slider [17:11] valdur55; does that also happen with a different icon theme? [17:11] valdur55, You have problems with the volume? [17:11] Look volumeicon slider [17:12] I have problems with my media keys [17:12] - + and mute [17:12] - key causes mute and nothing more [17:12] MrChrisDruif, midori is so ?? [17:12] Midori is another lightweight browser [17:13] MrChrisDruif, you can install in Lubuntu? [17:13] Yup [17:14] lubuntu software center ?? [17:14] keybinds doesn't work [17:16] MrChrisDruif, lubuntu software center ?? [17:17] Yup [17:17] Oh i found messy line... [17:18] A messy line even valdur55 ? [17:18] XF86AudioLowerVolume keybind is related to toggle and -5% . [17:18] ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml [17:19] oh . 3%- and toggle [17:20] should i make pastebin? [17:28] yep, problem is also in source package [17:36] Oh.. i can't use xdg-open https://bugs.launchpad.net and ubuntu-bug fails [17:36] Awkward, anyhow I'm off to dinner [18:24] lubuntu should use better volume control app [18:24] or improve it..... [18:24] valdur: like Ubuntu? :) [18:25] not just that way :) look volumeicon-alsa solution [18:25] ok ;) [18:26] but there is some bugs... [18:26] Look slider solution :) it's pretty nice [18:28] oh.. it's simpler to improve volumeicon-alsa [18:38] oh.. and sound toggle isn't working [18:48] What is lubuntu's volume control provider? [18:59] Oh.. default volume icon is blocker.... [20:56] hey guys [20:56] can someone help me [20:56] with something [20:57] hi all [20:58] I just obserbes something interesting [20:58] *observed [20:58] what is that [20:58] so I rebooted into a liveUSB environment of Lubuntu 11.10 since the last session overloaded [20:58] yes ? [20:58] wait I'm typing this all :p [20:59] ;s orry [21:00] so fresh boot into the live system, I fired up the task manager, unclicked "show memory used by cache as free" and noted it took only around 1150mb RAM out of 3021mb [21:00] then, I did a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade [21:00] it said it would download 206 worth of archives, that's ok and my system handled the update process [21:01] but afterwards the RAM got up to 2700mb RAM [21:01] so that's when I did apt-get clean [21:01] 2 words [21:01] install gentoo [21:01] but still around 2400mb worth of RAM after upgrade process [21:01] lol [21:02] I would if I could, it's just that I tend to value my time :p [21:02] xD [21:03] but you're not a true Gentoomen until you did at least a stage 1 install [21:03] freeroute: Try checking what's taking so much ram [21:04] btw [21:04] guys [21:04] Unit193: VM-size right? [21:04] what should I stick with [21:04] chromium or [21:04] nightly [21:04] That's your option [21:05] well isnt chromium botnet ? [21:05] freeroute: Well, I personally use htop, but that taskmanager should be able to pull that info [21:05] I would say Chromium if you want to be stable, and Nightly if you want the cutting edge [21:05] uls88; no need to *bash* lubuntu [21:05] MrChrisDruif: but Lubuntu has Bash [21:05] MrChrisDruif: *sh* enough linux jokes [21:06] xD [21:06] freeroute; I was referring to has redirect to gentoo [21:06] and one other problem I have... im am on thinkpad x61 tablet and you know I have stylus and it doesnt have any pressure sense when I draw in gimp, and I dont know how actually to install it drivers from wacom... since its linux not windows [21:07] Unit193: that's weird, task manager says nm-applet has 252mb followed by chromium browser [21:08] Chromium, no suprise there [21:08] Yup [21:08] MrChrisDruif: yeah installing Gentoo is kind of an inside joke (which according to my observations neckbeards usually make) [21:09] Unit193: yeah but that was before I launched chromium [21:10] hm: [21:10] All neckbeards are Dungeons & Dragons-obsessed losers, and vice versa. It is not known at this time whether growing a neckbeard causes one to play Dungeons & Dragons or playing Dungeons & Dragons causes one to grow a neckbeard. [21:10] freeroute; join #lubuntu-offtopic for offtopic chat ^_^ [21:10] wxl; offtopic, don't you think? [21:11] Unit193: you could try putting Lubuntu 11.10 on USB, booting off of it and doing the upgrade process just like I did if you have time [21:11] can someone please help me with my problem xD [21:11] MrChrisDruif: Neckbeards are never off topic :p [21:13] * wxl is too busy to bother with scrollback but has had 11.10 on USB and booted off it successfully. [21:13] also package updates [21:13] …so what's the deal, freeroute ? [21:13] grats [21:13] how to instlal [21:13] and your issue is with a tablet or what uls88 ? [21:13] wacom drivers [21:13] for [21:14] x61 t [21:14] I have a tablet pc... i mean my screen is a tablet [21:14] oh crikey i have no clue on that one. i'd be googling just the same as you [21:14] well google is dead end :D [21:14] on this one [21:14] its too obscoure I guess [21:14] uls88; does gimp have pressure sensitive drawing capabilities? [21:15] you saw https://help.ubuntu.com/community/X61T uls88 ? [21:15] yeah I guess, before 2 months I was using it in ubuntu on different machine... and it has [21:15] wxl I will see this [21:15] I used a different program, myTouch it was called I think? [21:15] wxl: package updates themselves are not the problem (if the user has enough RAM), it's just when the apt updater tells you that additional 26mb is going to get installed but then adds a whopping 1+gig to your system... things get a bit... emotional [21:15] it's old but it should be able to be adapted [21:16] freeroute: i haven't necessarily checked disk usage before and after… [21:16] freeroute: but if your system works, it works. and if you've looked at the installed packages and there's nothing extraneous than you're good [21:16] freeroute: might want to try installing without following recommends [21:18] I can understand that with regular installed-on-disk systems it wouldn't be an issue, but when running in a live environment, RAM is just everything that you've got. And you better be ready to fight for it! [21:18] ok that last part perhaps was a bit sensationalist [21:18] freeroute: like i said, no recommends [21:18] will do :) [21:19]