[00:08] <cjohnston> Could I get people to help me test the new mobile interface for Summit? Visit http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/ and look around.. then please click on one of the days and have a look around.. then click on one of the meeting names.. You *should* see details about the meeting display on that same page.
[00:19] <popey> cjohnston: what email address shall I send screenshots too?
[00:20] <cjohnston> popey: are there problems?
[00:20] <popey> minor ones, yes
[00:20] <cjohnston> could you file bugs please?
[00:21] <cjohnston> with screenshots
[00:21] <popey> ok
[00:21] <popey> what do i file bugs against?
[00:21] <cjohnston> launchpad.net/summit
[00:26] <popey> bug 925815
[00:26] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 925815 in summit "Broken image on daily page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/925815
[00:29] <s-fox> Goodbye.
[00:29] <cjohnston> o/
[00:32] <popey> bug 925819
[00:32] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 925819 in summit "Reader option doesn't render properly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/925819
[00:39]  * nigelb hugs popey 
[00:39]  * cjohnston assigns nigelb work
[00:39]  * nigelb gets ready to head out.
[00:41] <mhall119> doctormon: pong
[00:49] <popey> happy to test further tomorrow cjohnston / nigelb on ipad, iphone and android tab
[01:46] <bkerensa> nigelb: He is wondering about the Indian LoCo
[01:46] <bkerensa> he has been trying to get council to change him to the contact saying that the LoCo is dormant but it really is active and he doesnt even join their channel
[01:46] <bkerensa> :)
[01:47] <bkerensa> They have like 17 people in the channel and seem pretty active
[01:47] <bkerensa> mhall119: If I set more than one admin on loco directory can all admins create events?
[01:52] <cjohnston> bkerensa: all team members can create meeting
[01:52] <bkerensa> ok
[01:57] <nigelb> bkerensa: I know he is. You do realize I'm on the Indian Loco right?
[01:59] <bkerensa> nigelb: I spaced it :P
[02:00] <nigelb> bkerensa: He's so far not responded to whom he's contacted.
[02:00] <nigelb> Which frustrates me.
[02:00] <bkerensa> heh
[02:00] <bkerensa> All I know is he comes in localteams channel everyday and complains about the team contact not responding
[02:00] <nigelb> yeah
[02:01] <bkerensa> and if I recall correctly at the last loco council meeting he asked if he could be made contact or something
[02:01] <bkerensa> :P
[02:02] <nigelb> Yeah, right.
[02:02] <nigelb> :P
[02:03] <pleia2> I'm so the new popey http://groups.google.com/group/bikeshed/msg/92013c2d482b10b0
[02:03] <nigelb> Did you shut down a list?
[02:03] <pleia2> a whole pile of 'em!
[02:04]  * nigelb hugs pleia2 
[02:04] <nigelb> that's so mean :|
[02:04] <nigelb> (the post that is)
[02:04]  * pleia2 hugs
[02:04] <nigelb> pleia2: hah, you beat popey!
[02:05] <nigelb> Ok, headed to work. I've got a longish bike ride ahead of me.  Catch you all laters!
[02:06] <bkerensa> huh
[02:06] <bkerensa> pleia2: What was that e-mail real?
[02:06] <bkerensa> or was that sarcasm
[02:06] <pleia2> bkerensa: it's real
[02:07] <pleia2> he's been meaner to popey actually
[02:07] <bkerensa> LOL
[02:07] <bkerensa> :(
[02:07] <bkerensa> I dont see what the issue is but oh well :D I guess I'm not him
[02:09] <bkerensa> What list did that hit? someone public or private?
[02:09] <pleia2> it's the bikeshead google group (created when we shut down sounder), he Cc:ed me
[02:10] <pleia2> I don't actually read that list, if it's anything like sounder it's mostly about complaining about how canonical and unity ruin Ubuntu
[02:10] <pleia2> and politics
[02:10] <bkerensa> ahh ok I thought it was perhaps a archive of something that hit a Ubuntu list
[02:10] <bkerensa> oh Unity and Canonical trolling
[02:10] <pleia2> frequent Godwin's law points :)
[02:50] <nigelb> pleia2: heh
[03:02] <doctormon> mhall119: Thanks for the pong, I worked out that introducing new categories requires unity to be restarted,
[03:04] <doctormon> pleia2: Well at least they're still interested in Ubuntu; it's worse when people get so despondent you never hear from them.
[07:11] <dpm> good morning all
[07:59] <popey> wow pleia2
[08:00] <pleia2> yeah
[08:01] <bkerensa> pleia2: Was hypodermia able to help?
[08:01] <pleia2> bkerensa: yep :) I'll check in the fix soon (might do some testing to weed out some of the goofy characters we have problems with, but that's what Perl is good at!)
[08:02] <popey> pleia2: he's starting getting quite uppity recently on -users too
[08:02] <popey> not contributing usefully at all
[08:04] <pleia2> popey: yeah, his Cc: for me on that list had -users discussions I usually ignore pulled into my inbox in the thread
[08:04] <pleia2> the new moderators on -users are doing a good job, but he's a handful :(
[08:20] <dholbach> good morning
[08:35] <czajkowski> bkerensa we already know about him
[08:35] <czajkowski> have another email from him in my inbox :/
[08:40] <bkerensa> czajkowski: I assume you were talking about vibhav?
[08:41] <czajkowski> yes
[08:41] <bkerensa> oh ok :D
[08:54] <jono> morning dholbach_
[09:01] <dholbach> hey jono
[09:04] <dholbach> thoughts about the new theme? it looks quite bright - it seems I got quite used to the dark colours already :)
[09:07] <jono> dholbach, what theme?
[09:08] <jono> dholbach, btw, I got the server side validation for the ubuntu accomplishments working tonight
[09:08] <jono> now the client, daemon, and validation basically work
[09:08] <jono> and with that, I am heading to bed :-)
[09:08] <jono> night all!
[09:09] <dholbach> I just uploaded a screenshot, but with Jono gone... :)
[10:42] <dpm> dholbach, where's the screenshot? It might be a bug that should be resolved by the next unity upload. I asked about it on #ubuntu-desktop this morning when I saw all my menu indicators were gray instead of black
[10:42] <dholbach> ah yes, that's what I meant
[10:42] <dholbach> I wasn't sure if it was intentional
[10:42] <dholbach> :)
[10:43] <dpm> :-)
[13:02] <mhall119> morning
[13:02] <nigelb> Morning mhall119
[13:03] <mhall119> dpm: ping
[13:03] <mhall119> morning nigelb
[13:03] <dpm> morning mhall119
[13:03] <mhall119> morning dpm, do you happen to know what's going on with the BAMF documentation on the developer portal?
[13:03] <mhall119> http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-11.10/c/bamf/
[13:05] <dpm> mhall119, what's up with it?
[13:05] <dpm> oh I see
[13:05] <dpm> it seems to be empty
[13:06] <mhall119> yeah
[13:06] <dpm> mhall119, d.u.c only publishes what's in the packages, so either the package does not build the documentation correctly, or the source code does not have documentation - I'd be tempted to say the latter
[13:07] <mhall119> thanks dpm, I'll see who I can find to check on that
[13:08] <dpm> mhall119, cool, once sorted, let me know and I'll make sure it's updated on d.u.c
[13:09] <mhall119> dpm: how does d.u.c look for documentation?
[13:09] <dpm> mhall119, it's simply a static list of per-distro packages in a config file on the server, which d.u.c fetches weekly and then publishes
[13:12] <dpm> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/827577/
[13:12] <mhall119> ah, ok
[13:19] <dpm> it'd be great to make that list dynamic, but I can't think of any way of doing it, as there is no standard naming convention for packages to guess them
[13:20] <dpm> most of them are lib$LIBNAME-doc, but that's not always the case
[13:21] <doctormon> Yay, 4 service tango: http://imagebin.org/197082
[13:22] <dpm> dholbach, does http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/singlehtml/ look like the latest version?
[13:22] <dpm> it should be updated by now
[13:24] <mhall119> dpm: yeah, I suppose we could make a meta-package for all unity related developer docs
[13:24] <mhall119> but they somebody still has to maintain that
[13:25] <dpm> yeah, it's a good idea, but I agree that maintaining it might be extra work
[13:25] <dpm> but also there are other things which while are Ubuntu upstreams, they are not part of the Unity project, such as uTouch
[13:25] <mhall119> yeah
[13:31] <doctormon> mhall119: Do you want to wait for a deb package that installs for this lens, or are you happy to add it to the list?
[13:31] <mhall119> doctormon: I'm happy to add it
[13:32] <doctormon> mhall119: It's using singlet Lens, it never worked trying to put it inside the daemon.
[13:32] <doctormon> Two dbus name spaces cause Unity's library to segfault.
[13:33] <mhall119> doctormon: cool, singlet should be in Precise's Universe soon
[13:33] <mhall119> doctormon: send me the info on the lens, or a link to the info, and I'll put it on my lis
[13:33] <mhall119> list
[13:34] <doctormon> So I can't do a bug search (unless all you want to search is gnome-bugzilla and gnu savannah) because launchpad and github don't have global bug searches.
[13:34] <mhall119> they don't? that sucks
[13:35] <doctormon> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~groundcontrollers/groundcontrol/trunk/files/head:/lens/
[13:36] <doctormon> mhall119: Something about it being a resource drain on very large databases. I also had to ditch google-code support, it's search api is ironically impossible.
[13:36] <mhall119> didn't they close code search anyway?
[13:37] <doctormon> Not sure, but research showed that doing a general search with the gdata.sites.client api with a google_code and google_developer context _should_ have worked.
[13:37] <doctormon> But all I ever get is 405 Bad Request and the documentation is verbose in it's uselessness.
[13:37] <mhall119> doctormon: what releases does your lens work on?
[13:38] <doctormon> Precise only, it won't work on anything less.
[13:38] <mhall119> cool
[13:38] <doctormon> So to get back to my point, I'm going to do the developers search before I do more work on the bug problem.
[13:39] <doctormon> Because all services support searching for people.
[13:39] <mhall119> yeah, Singlet is going to be Precise-only unless someone else takes up the 0.1 branch
[13:39] <doctormon> I actually had to duplicate some of your code, I have dynamic categories and multiple scopes.
[13:40] <doctormon> So I have some ideas on API improvements if you're interested.
[13:41] <mhall119> doctormon: once singlet is in Universe, I'll help you get it packaged and we'll send it through the ARB process
[13:41] <mhall119> and get it into Software Center
[13:41] <mhall119> yeah, definitely interested in API improvements
[13:42] <doctormon> Well groundcontrol is in universe already, so going from 1.6.2 to 2.1 will be a debian job I think.
[13:42] <doctormon> We'll obviously make sure it creates multiple debs for the lens/unity support and the core.
[13:44] <mhall119> oh, cool
[13:44] <mhall119> yeah, you'll need your lens binary to Depend on python-unity-singlet
[13:51] <doctormon> Yes :-) thanks for your help and advice getting the bulk of the work prepared.
[13:54] <mhall119> happy to help
[13:54] <mhall119> I'm glad to know Singlet worked well for you
[13:55] <mhall119> and definitely let me know your thoughts on API changes
[13:55] <mhall119> or send me an MP, that'll work too ;)
[13:55] <mhall119> I want to make Singlet is complete as possible before the repos freeze
[14:01] <doctormon> Send you a Member of P aliment or Military Police?
[14:03] <doctormon> mhall119: One thing I notice is that it doesn't end the previous searches, so if I take too long to type things in, it'll display results for each search.
[14:03] <doctormon> say I search for doctormo and pause at doc, now I get results for doctormo and doc
[14:04] <mhall119> doctormon: as a US civilian, neither would be able to do anything, so a Merge Proposal might be better
[14:04] <doctormon> Ah that's an MRQ Merge Request.
[14:04] <mhall119> doctormon: yeah, they introduce a Cancellable object in Unity 5, but it doesn't seem to do anything
[14:05] <mhall119> Singlet checks if Cancellable.is_cancelled()
[14:05] <doctormon> Or just 'patch' to layman. lol
[14:05] <mhall119> but I've never seen it be True
[14:05] <doctormon> I'm going to track my searchers and break them when I get a new search in.
[14:06] <mhall119> doctormon: that's sometehing that should be working in Singlet, I'll need to talk to one of the unity guys to figure out what I'm doing wrong
[14:07] <doctormon> Don't worry it might not be, I can't see any entry points for the default Lens to cancel it and I certainly haven't been able to hook up my break code to anything.
[14:07] <dholbach> dpm, yes, it looks alright
[14:09] <doctormon> mhall119: Ah no wait, it should cancel... it's hooked up to finish() when it calls the complete signal.
[14:09] <doctormon> My guess is that it's not calling complete when the search is refreshed.
[14:09] <mhall119> so SingleScopeLens doesn't get the Cancellable object
[14:10] <mhall119> but if you used the base Scope class you wouold
[14:10] <doctormon> I'm not using SingleScopeLens, I'm using Lens directly.
[14:10] <mhall119> and Scope?
[14:11] <doctormon> I'm using Unity.Scope
[14:11] <mhall119> oh...
[14:12] <mhall119> so you're having to connect to all the dbus signals yourself?
[14:12] <doctormon> Well yeah, isn't that how it works? Your example in the SingleScopeLens works that way.
[14:13] <mhall119> SingleScopeLens isn't an example, it's meant to be sub-classed
[14:14] <doctormon> mhall119: Everything is an example; if not then shouldn't SingleScopeLens be using singlet.scope.base.Scope instead?
[14:14] <mhall119> it was written before Scope
[14:15] <mhall119> doctormon: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mhall119/onehundredscopes/dictionary/view/head:/dictionary-lens is an example of how to use SingleScopeLens
[14:16] <doctormon> mhall119: Yeah and I have a multi scope dynamic category Lens. the dictionary-lens example was insufficient.
[14:16] <doctormon> I'm moving it over to use singlet Scopes now...
[14:16] <mhall119> ok, then the community lens and locoteams scope are good examples for you
[14:17] <doctormon> :-) thanks mhall119
[14:17] <mhall119> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mhall119/onehundredscopes/unity-community-lens/view/head:/community-lens
[14:18] <mhall119> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mhall119/onehundredscopes/unity-planetubuntu-scope/view/head:/planetubuntu-scope
[14:18] <mhall119> the planetubuntu scope is simpler than the locoteams scope, so probably better as an example
[14:21] <dholbach> huats, monsieur?
[14:22] <huats> ready dholbach ?
[14:22] <dholbach> yes :)
[14:23] <dholbach> huats, hangout started
[14:42] <huats> dholbach: are you around ?
[14:43] <huats> dholbach: I have lost you
[14:43] <huats> :(
[14:44] <dholbach> huats, desolé - je pense que mon router est en train de mourir
[14:44] <huats> dholbach: I have started another hangout
[14:44] <huats> oh :(
[14:50] <dholbach> huats, now I lost you :)
[14:50] <dholbach> huats, so yes - I think we should have a look and see how we add the dates and stuff at some stage :)
[14:52] <akgraner> anyone know the correct way to always write upsteam? is it Upstream or upstream in a sentence?
[14:53] <cjohnston> I would think your use would be a noun
[14:53] <cjohnston> and proper
[14:53] <mhall119> I'd say non-proper
[14:54] <mhall119> I'm not sure it makes much difference either way
[14:54]  * cjohnston says mhall119 should do it
[14:54] <mhall119> to me, 'upstream' is like 'partners', it's not capitalized
[14:54] <cjohnston> duno
[14:55] <huats> dholbach: sorry
[14:55] <huats> I think my laptop battery is a friend of your router...
[14:55] <dholbach> huats, so yes - I think we should have a look and see how we add the dates and stuff at some stage :)
[14:55] <huats> dholbach: it is needed to know if we need to email again
[14:56] <huats> or to have some information
[14:56] <huats> (and especially when there a many people involved in the team)
[14:56] <dholbach> huats, I'd say if somebody assigns a person to themselves, they should look after it and make sure that everything gets sorted out and then mark it green when it's done
[14:56] <dholbach> but having some date information would be good too
[14:57] <huats> ok
[14:57] <dholbach> let's discuss it once we have a team :)
[14:58] <dholbach> sorry, I mean: a bigger team :)
[14:58] <huats> :)
[14:58] <huats> sure :)
[14:58] <huats> I think I am big enough :)
[15:00] <dholbach> brb
[15:02] <dholbach> wow, unity now does alt-tab-just-for-stuff-on-your-workspace
[15:02] <dholbach> NICE
[15:03] <popey> yeah ☺
[15:03] <dholbach> where's the champagne?
[15:03] <cjohnston> maybe after connect ill upgrade my laptop to precise
[15:09] <james_w> dholbach, nice job on developer week
[15:09] <james_w> I liked the changes this time too
[15:09] <dholbach> james_w, and I liked your session - nice job! :)
[15:20] <jcastro> dholbach: I know that was like the biggest thing for me, the alt-tab
[15:51] <cprofitt> yes, nice job dholbach. I got to see a few sesions and they went well
[15:51] <dholbach> thanks a lot everyone for giving your sessions
[15:51] <dholbach> I'll send you all a mail afterwards still
[15:51] <dholbach> it's on my list :)
[15:52] <dholbach> big big hugs :)
[15:56] <dholbach> hey jono
[15:57] <mhall119> hey jono
[15:58] <jcastro> we have a call like in 2 minutes?
[15:58] <jono> hey chaps
[15:58] <jono> yup
[15:58] <mhall119> I was just about to ask
[15:58] <jono> cprofitt, can you join it as we discussed?
[15:58] <jcastro> IRC or G+? :)
[15:59] <jono> G+
[16:00] <balloons> hey cprofitt.. thanks for doing your session yesterday :-) you got to be the big finish.
[16:01] <jono> creating it now
[16:05] <jono> balloons, we cant see or hear you
[16:05] <mhall119> balloons: you there?
[16:05] <dpm> jono, dholbach, jcastro, I'll be there in a minute, for some reason I'm being asked to reinstall the driver
[16:05] <dpm> and mhall119 ^
[16:06] <dpm> err plugin, not driver
[16:07] <jono> bkerensa, want to join our hangout now to discuss the Ubuntu Global Jam?
[16:07] <jono> pleia2, would you like to join?
[16:20] <jono> dholbach, dpm, jcastro weird, I can't get back in
[16:20] <dholbach> jono, inviting you
[16:24] <technoviking> morning all
[16:25] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha technoviking
[16:28] <cprofitt> jono: just got off a srvc call
[16:28] <cprofitt> is this still going?
[16:28] <jono> cprofitt, should I invite you?
[16:28] <jono> invite sent
[16:28] <cprofitt> sure, but I may get pulled away
[16:29] <jono> cprofitt, invite sent
[16:49] <bkerensa> jono: has the hangout long expired?
[16:49] <bkerensa> ;p
[16:50] <jono> bkerensa, about to wrap
[16:52] <pleia2> jono: thanks anyway, just woke up :)
[16:52] <cjohnston> pleia2: email went out
[16:53] <bkerensa> pleia2: I think my mic is tango down now
[16:54] <pleia2> cjohnston: great, thanks :)
[17:02] <bkerensa> mhall119: What was date I'm going to put it in my Calendar so I can start ramping stuff up on my end
[17:02] <balloons> jcastro, I was just going to create a trello board!.. rofl, you beat me to it
[17:02] <mhall119> bkerensa: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1443/detail/
[17:02] <bkerensa> thanks
[17:02] <mhall119> np
[17:10] <cprofitt> sorry for getting called away and only making part of the call
[17:10] <cprofitt> always a bit of a gamble if I will be free at work
[17:19] <balloons> cprofitt, thanks for joining.. it's nice to have gotten you for the time we did :-)
[17:19] <balloons> and you had a great idea
[17:24] <jono> mhall119, mockups sent
[17:26] <bkerensa> jono: Really glad this doesn't fall on a holiday again :) now I can try and get Brian Murray to attend
[17:27] <bkerensa> oh
[17:27] <bkerensa> jono: Really glad this doesn't fall on a holiday again :) now I can try and get Brian Murray to attend
[17:28] <mhall119> jono: that was fast
[17:29] <jono> :-)
[17:29] <jono> mhall119, :-)
[17:29] <jono> this is urgent :-)
[17:30] <mhall119> jono: can you join #ubuntu-arb for me?  Trying to work out how to get scope packages through the ARB process
[17:43] <dholbach> alright my good friends
[17:43] <dholbach> I call it a day - have a great weekend everyone
[17:44] <dholbach> HUGS
[17:44] <bkerensa> dholbach: gnight
[17:44] <dholbach> bye bkerensa :)
[17:59] <bkerensa> jono: Is there any way to know if someone is still working for Canonical? I'm getting bounced e-mails
[18:01] <jono> bkerensa, who from?
[18:01] <bkerensa> jono: Allison Randal
[18:02] <balloons> bkerensa, she's no longer @ canonical
[18:02] <bkerensa> :(
[18:02] <bkerensa> ok
[18:02] <bkerensa> I think I have her personal e-mail
[18:03] <mhall119> bkerensa: she has some listed on https://launchpad.net/~allison too
[18:04] <balloons> mhall119, bkerensa launchpad is a good way to tell actually
[18:04] <bkerensa> Yeah I just noticed she changed her e-mail on our ML from Canonical to something else so I'm pinging her there
[18:04] <balloons> member or the canonical team.. or not
[18:10] <jono> bkerensa, she is leaving
[18:10] <jono> in fact, she has left
[18:11] <bkerensa> kk
[18:35] <jcastro> jono: I found our song for UDS.
[18:35] <snap-l> Aw, isn't that sweet
[18:35] <jcastro> but I think only you and I will like it. Just like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiJQRbQ_8mo&feature=related
[18:35] <jcastro> ok so I can't really play that but this is epic.
[18:35] <jcastro> that is all.
[18:35] <snap-l> jcastro: Where are you two registered? :)
[18:35] <snap-l> And will it be a civil ceremony?
[18:36] <jcastro> heh
[18:36] <balloons> a quick trip to vegas?
[18:36] <snap-l> You need a drummer that can keep up. :)
[18:36] <snap-l> (cough)
[18:37] <balloons> jono, that youtube video sound fine.. after 2 mins of it I realized it wasn't the intro anymore, so I found the "full" version.. haha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3ONXlI2k0k
[18:39] <jcastro> that song is so underrated
[18:39] <jcastro> it's like the best one on the record
[18:40] <jono> :-)
[18:41] <jcastro> too bad there are 6 of us, we could have been the 5 Magics
[18:41] <jcastro> we need a new nickname
[18:42] <jcastro> I don't think Daniel will go for Numbers of the Beast. >_>
[18:44] <balloons> hehe
[18:44] <balloons> the name will come naturally I'm sure
[18:48] <bkerensa> heh
[18:56] <snap-l> jcastro: I think you guys should tackle something easy
[18:56] <snap-l> Like King Crimson. ;)
[18:58] <snap-l> Red for instance. ;)
[19:00] <snap-l> Or VROOOM
[19:09] <bkerensa> =o
[19:09] <bkerensa> 20+ people for our Ubuntu Hour now
[19:09] <jcastro> !!
[19:09] <jcastro> is that happening now?
[19:09] <bkerensa> if it grows much larger I dont think we will fit the restaurant
[19:10] <bkerensa> tonight
[19:12] <balloons> wow.. go go bkerensa1
[19:31] <popey> aquarius: i think jorge and technoviking know about teh forums stuff
[19:47] <aquarius> who do I talk to about having the Ubuntu One icon on http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11661766&postcount=33 updated to be the modern U1 logo? :)
[19:48] <aquarius> (sorry if I disappear; am having big network problems with virgin media)
[21:20] <cjohnston> pleia2: im  marking myself +5 after that email.. im not sure that they have LP accounts
[21:24] <pleia2> cjohnston: ok, thanks :)
[22:02] <jussi> hey all, did anything come of the donate from SW center discussion we had at UDS 1 or 2 back?
[22:03] <jcastro> ok outta here for the weekend
[22:04] <jcastro> see you all on the flip side
[22:04] <jcastro> jono: good luck tonight, take some pics!
[22:04] <balloons> flip side jcastro !
[23:14] <bodhizazen> 'lo cprofitt