[02:13] <bkerensa> ugh
[02:14] <bkerensa> I'm going to have to use my laptop on my couch when I video conference with akgraner :) I forgot my neighbor is doing band practice tonight
[02:14] <bkerensa> so the wall near my office is loud :D
[02:14] <pleia2> hehe, oops
[02:14] <bkerensa> Every Thursday from 4pm to 8pm
[02:14] <bkerensa> =o
[02:14] <bkerensa> at least the music is decent
[03:03] <bkerensa> Hmm
[03:03] <bkerensa> akgraner: We can do it this weekend or next week if you cant make it tonight
[03:04] <bkerensa> I have to go get dinner around 8pm and tomorrow I will be out for Ubuntu Oregon stuff
[03:24] <pleia2> bkerensa: do you have any of the links? I can give you a quick tour of the resources if it would be helpful
[03:24] <pleia2> I don't have a camera, but I can goog hangout with microphone
[03:24] <bkerensa> sure let me move to the other room
[03:25] <bkerensa> no I dont have any links
[03:25] <pleia2> ok, I need to move to my desk too
[03:27] <pleia2> alrighty, feel free to invite me to a goog hangout when you're ready, I don't know how to do these things ;)
[03:33] <bkerensa> pleia2: ok done
[03:34] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies/HowToEdit
[03:35] <akgraner> bkerensa, sorry I just walked back in the door - I can doit now if you can
[03:35] <pleia2> akgraner: wanna join us?
[03:35] <akgraner> sure
[03:35] <akgraner> where at
[03:35] <pleia2> bkerensa: will goog hangout invite :)
[03:35] <akgraner> ok cool
[03:39] <akgraner> yep that will work
[03:41] <pleia2> https://code.launchpad.net/uwn
[03:43] <pleia2> http://princessleia.com/temp/250/
[03:44] <akgraner> I have to reboot
[03:44] <akgraner> brb
[03:51] <akgraner> did you all finish'
[03:51] <akgraner> bkerensa, pleia2 are you all still in the hangout
[03:51] <bkerensa> akgraner: Nope we ended she gave me  good summary and I'm going to shadow her on Monday to start to see how you guys do it
[03:52] <akgraner> ok cool
[03:52] <bkerensa> pleia2: You know I know a lady who writes perl code for a living in fact she idles in #ubuntu-women and might be able to fix the script
[03:52] <bkerensa> :D
[03:52] <akgraner> sorry I don't know what's up with my audio
[03:52] <bkerensa> akgraner: It happens to me too.... My mic sometimes doesnt work on G+ :D
[03:53] <pleia2> bkerensa: cool
[03:53] <akgraner> bkerensa, great :-) thanks for being willing to help - I'll be at connect on Monday but I'll try to write summaries on the plane for you all
[03:54] <akgraner> pleia2, if everything is in Saturday - I'll pull a copy for offline and note which sections I am working on the googledoc
[03:54] <bkerensa> I think wiki is going to be unfun
[03:55] <akgraner> bkerensa, the wiki is the easy part :-)
[03:55] <bkerensa> heh yeah if I can login
[03:55] <bkerensa> :D
[03:55] <pleia2> hehe
[03:55] <akgraner> ahhh
[03:55] <bkerensa> seems like everytime I try and login it gives me issues
[03:55] <pleia2> it just takes a few tries ;)
[03:55] <akgraner> bkerensa, we used to work off the wiki but there were too many edit conflicts
[03:55] <pleia2> akgraner: thanks, feel free to take the weekend off if you want though, I know you have a crazy week ahead of you
[03:55] <pleia2> I hope to have my new fleet of summary writers this weekend!
[03:56] <akgraner> yay!
[03:56] <akgraner> :-)
[03:56] <akgraner> I hope so too
[03:56] <akgraner> pleia2, thank you - UWN to me is like UW to you I think :-)  hope that makes sense to you
[03:57] <pleia2> yeah :)
[03:57] <bkerensa> pleia2: I'm talking to the lady and she wants to know how the perl script is broken?
[03:57] <akgraner> oh the one for wordpress
[03:57] <bkerensa> pleia2: Which one was it?
[03:58] <pleia2> the fridge one
[03:58] <pleia2> fridge/publish-uwn-fridge.pl
[03:58] <pleia2> I'd suggest trying it against some test wordpress instance
[03:59] <bkerensa> pleia2: does it emit and error?
[03:59] <bkerensa> a*
[03:59] <akgraner> pleia2, before I forget - how hard would it be to add the planet tag  or a tag that says don't publish to the planet when checked oh a fridge story
[03:59] <pleia2> akgraner: easy
[03:59] <bkerensa> <hypodermia> bkerensa: welllllll any example of it misbehaving or breaking?
[03:59] <akgraner> yeah we need to add one that when checked stories don't go to the fridge
[03:59] <pleia2> akgraner: but it's actually the opposite, we'd have to put a plant tag on things (rather than exclude things)
[04:00] <akgraner> ok
[04:00] <akgraner> the reason is the stories that david, daniel, and jorge post to those portals hit the planet
[04:00] <pleia2> bkerensa: when we can get it to run, it would look like this: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2012/02/01/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-250/ but skip actually pulling in any of the links
[04:00] <akgraner> then they post to the fridge and it hits the planet again
[04:00] <pleia2> akgraner: *nod*
[04:01] <akgraner> so to fix the back to back planet posting we need to add the tag back
[04:01] <pleia2> it's actually a category we'd want to put them in
[04:01] <pleia2> (rather than tag)
[04:01] <akgraner> right sorry that's what I meant
[04:01] <pleia2> so we just create a planet category, and when we want to send something to planet we select that one along with News or whatever
[04:01] <pleia2> and update planet.ini to only pull from that category feed
[04:01] <akgraner> right now everything automatically goes to the planet
[04:02] <pleia2> yeah
[04:02] <pleia2> we feed it the whole feed, instead of a specific category
[04:02] <pleia2> bkerensa: so it would be like "In this Issue we cover:" then "The issue of The Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is brought to you by:"
[04:02] <akgraner> so I guess we need to put it back to the way it used to be - or have those other stories scheduled for 24 hours after the original hits the planet
[04:03] <pleia2> skipping the whole point of the script, which is to get rid of the manual labor of pulling in all the links by hand :)
[04:03] <pleia2> akgraner: I'd say go the route of having a planet category (I think 24 hrs later would still annoy people who are annoyed by duplicates)
[04:04] <akgraner> works for me
[04:04] <akgraner> :-) I'm easy
[04:04] <pleia2> :)
[04:04] <akgraner> can you do that? and I'll let David and them know
[04:04] <pleia2> yeah, I'll toss it on my todo list, no promises on timing
[04:04] <akgraner> that's fine I'll just tell them it's being worked on
[04:04] <akgraner> :-)
[04:05] <pleia2> awesome, thanks
[04:05] <pleia2> bkerensa: in a perfect world the script would only use perl modules we can get from ubuntu repositories because cpan makes mortals cry
[04:05] <akgraner> bkerensa, even with that one script being broken it's still a lot easy than it used to be
[04:06] <akgraner> less than 30 minutes to publish verses an hour+
[04:06] <bkerensa> pleia2: <hypodermia> bkerensa: so okay like
[04:06] <bkerensa> <hypodermia> the bad behavior is it isn't grabbing the links?
[04:06] <akgraner> versus
[04:07] <bkerensa> pleia2: Is it not grabbing links the only defect?
[04:07] <pleia2> bkerensa: she's welcome to join us here :)
[04:07] <bkerensa> ok
[04:07] <pleia2> bkerensa: as far as I know, I haven't tried it myself since upgrading to oneiric, so it could be all kinds of broken
[04:07] <bkerensa> there
[04:07] <bkerensa> :D
[04:07] <hypodermia> oh sup
[04:08] <pleia2> WordPress::XMLRPC had to be pulled from cpan, which was awful :(
[04:08] <pleia2> welcome hypodermia! thanks for helping
[04:08] <akgraner> hypodermia, thank you!
[04:08] <hypodermia> sure, i'm not planning to spend long, i'm just kinda curious what the broken behavior is. i unfortunately don't have a perl interpreter in my head.
[04:09] <hypodermia> maybe that is fortunate.
[04:09] <pleia2> I haven't actually run any kind of debugging tests or anything against it, fixing this script tends to be at the bottom of my priorities pile (I am not great at perl, so it would take me forever)
[04:09] <pleia2> haha
[04:10] <hypodermia> uh-huh
[04:10] <pleia2> oh, I don't remember if it gives an error
[04:10] <hypodermia> so is something wrong with it?
[04:10] <pleia2> yeah, it should create a post that looks like this: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2012/02/01/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-250/
[04:11] <pleia2> but it doesn't actually post any of the bullet point links
[04:11] <pleia2> it used to, but one day it just stopped working
[04:11] <hypodermia> like, it skips them altogether?
[04:11] <pleia2> yep
[04:11] <hypodermia> hokay.
[04:11] <hypodermia> just a sec...
[04:12] <pleia2> I can toss up a test wordpress install if you need
[04:13] <hypodermia> pleia2: i'm just kinda looking at these regexes
[04:13]  * pleia2 nods
[04:13] <hypodermia> my($inthisissue)=$rawuwn=~m/== In This Issue ==.*?( \*.*?And much more!)/is;
[04:13] <hypodermia> this is line 38
[04:14] <hypodermia> this bit grabs anything between the header and the last bullet point
[04:14] <hypodermia> but the last bullet point there has 'much' twice
[04:14] <hypodermia> so it could be failing to match
[04:14] <pleia2> ah, interesting
[04:15] <hypodermia> i hope i won't offend anybody by saying this is a rather janky script.
[04:15] <pleia2> not at all :)
[04:15] <pleia2> I think we're all sysadmins who worked on it, you know how we are
[04:15] <hypodermia> hahaha yeah.
[04:16] <hypodermia> this raw output from the UWN looks kinda mediawiki-ish, for which i bet there is already a parser. using a regex is fraught with fragility in just this way
[04:16] <pleia2> it's moinmoin
[04:16] <hypodermia> well here ya go
[04:16] <hypodermia> there*
[04:16] <pleia2> and yeah, scraping it like this is a total hack
[04:17] <pleia2> even when working the script was buggy with non alpha-numeric characters
[04:17] <hypodermia> yeah it looks like the author tried to make it utf8 but didn't really know much about unicode in perl.
[04:18] <pleia2> ok, well this gives me some thing to look into, thank you :)
[04:18] <hypodermia> have fun
[04:18] <hypodermia> i'mma idle now
[04:18] <pleia2> I should toss up a testing environment and do some tests
[04:19] <hypodermia> yeah i was gonna pull this down and run it (to print instead of post to a wordpress) but i'm too out of it to be bothered at this moment
[04:26] <hypodermia> pleia2: i was able to run it pretty easily, and the error i pointed out fixed the problem.
[04:27] <pleia2> sweet
[04:27] <pleia2> thank you!
[04:27] <pleia2> such a small thing, argh regexes
[04:27] <hypodermia> yup. there's another line that the 'much' should be doubled to be complete.
[04:27] <hypodermia> lol
[04:27] <hypodermia> yeah, using regular expressions for this is awful.
[08:20] <dholbach> good morning
[08:28] <bkerensa> good morning indeed
[08:29] <pleia2> my sleeper is broken :(
[08:29] <pleia2> I should be tired!
[09:00] <scott_ev_> anyone awake here?
[09:01] <scott_ev_> oh well, time to go AFK and, possibly, sleep for a change
[11:16] <nlsthzn> Ping for any of the news team that might be awake now... can I start with some of the summaries or is it better to wait until they have been sorted cleaned up a bit?
[11:46] <Silverlion> bkerensa ping (interviews)
[14:02] <akgraner> nlsthzn, go ahead and start
[14:02] <akgraner> you don't have to wait until Sunday - the sooner people start the better  - unless it's a heavy news week we usually don't cut much
[14:02] <nlsthzn> akgraner: k, cool... I will be giving it some attention later tonight and early tomorrow :)
[14:02] <akgraner> thanks
[16:54] <pleia2> welcome scott_ev_!
[19:22] <MrChrisDruif> pleia2; it's summary time again I presume?
[19:22] <pleia2> MrChrisDruif: you can do summaries now if you want, I'll send out the formal announcement tomorrow :)
[19:28]  * MrChrisDruif should read on how pleia2 && akgraner write their summaries, for less correcting work later on
[19:28] <MrChrisDruif> Btw, did you already update the xubuntu meeting minutes pleia2 ?
[19:28] <pleia2> MrChrisDruif: yep
[19:28] <MrChrisDruif> Thanks ^_^
[19:48] <MrChrisDruif> pleia2; the link you get when clicking on any of the content pane's headers is awfully long
[19:49] <pleia2> hm?
[19:49] <pleia2> what links on what content pane?
[19:49] <MrChrisDruif> Ah, never mind...I see the issue
[19:50] <MrChrisDruif> I think..
[19:50] <MrChrisDruif> Hmm, very awkward indeed
[19:50] <pleia2> I have no idea what you're talking about
[19:52] <MrChrisDruif> I see what my issue is. When I open the "current" version ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Current ) it redirects to the current version, but that is also put into the link (e.g. #250: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue250?action=show&redirect=UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter%2FCurrent )
[19:52] <pleia2> yeah, that's how the wiki works
[19:53] <MrChrisDruif> When I then click in any of the links in the content pane, it also puts that "?action=show&redirect=UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter%2FCurrent" in there ^_^
[19:53]  * pleia2 nods
[19:54] <pleia2> /Current is really a convinence url, I think most people actually go to the Issue250 page directly
[19:54] <MrChrisDruif> Why do we have two links anyway? The "redirect" to the current and a direct to the current?
[19:54] <pleia2> so people can always go to /Current and be directed to the new one
[19:55] <MrChrisDruif> Is it for bookmarking?
[19:55] <pleia2> it's just an easy URL
[19:55] <pleia2> I don't use bookmarks, I don't know how people use them :)
[19:55] <MrChrisDruif> Me neither, I use tabs ^_^
[19:56] <MrChrisDruif> I rarely use bookmarks
[19:56] <MrChrisDruif> Seldom would be a better word
[19:59]  * MrChrisDruif just summarized your call for help pleia2 ^_^
[20:00] <pleia2> thanks :)
[20:00] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, so you don't have to summarize your own link ^_^ just review the summary of it ;-)
[20:28] <akgraner> MrChrisDruif, pleia2 I'm out of meetings now - can I help with anything
[20:28] <akgraner> or answer any questions etc
[20:28] <MrChrisDruif> Answers have been answered akgraner ^_^
[20:28] <akgraner> alrighty
[20:29] <akgraner> just thought I'd ask before I move on to something else :-)
[20:29] <MrChrisDruif> I've made a few summaries already, more can be written and mine can be reviewed akgraner
[20:29]  * akgraner looks
[20:36] <akgraner> Ok we can't add personal commentary to the summaries :-)
[20:37] <akgraner> we have to be objective and just summarize without adding personal sentiments to the summaries  (I need to write this stuff down somewhere)
[20:39] <bkerensa> Hmm?
[20:40] <akgraner> we can't use terns like tells us - as none of these articles were written exclusively for UWN
[20:40] <akgraner> terms
[20:40] <akgraner> we can't use only first names as most readers are not on an informal basis with our developers
[20:43] <akgraner> unfortunately it's not op-ed unfortunately :-/
[20:43] <akgraner> ok take out one of those unfortunately
[20:44] <akgraner> Hey if someone wants to pull the development team meetings from last week please do - I haven't had time to go chase them down so I have just been leaving them out
[20:46] <akgraner> pleia2, who wrote the Developer Week Summaries?
[20:46] <akgraner> was that dholbach
[20:48] <akgraner> ok I'll give him credit until I find out differently :-)
[20:54] <pleia2> akgraner: dholbach is the one who posted them to the ubuntuclassroom blog, yeah :)
[20:54]  * MrChrisDruif sees rewrites of the summaries and sees he's inapt at making them ^_^
[20:54] <akgraner> does that make sense - and you'll get the hang of it :-)
[20:54] <pleia2> (I assume he wrote them)
[20:54] <akgraner> MrChrisDruif, no you're fine - it just takes practice
[20:54] <akgraner> you should have seen mine 3+ years ago
[20:55] <pleia2> akgraner: I was wondering about the dev team meetings lately, I'll go find them
[20:55] <akgraner> yeah - the teams changed names and they added new ones etc
[20:55] <akgraner> and they are called something else now - I have it on that drafts team page
[20:56] <pleia2> I'll do the best I can and we can add more new ones as we find them
[20:56] <akgraner> I'll clean that section up on the gdoc right quick
[20:57] <akgraner> It's hard to fit the urge to add our excitement to things or add things we know personally that the author doesn't say - it's natural to want to do those things - you'll get it :-)
[21:08]  * MrChrisDruif fantasizes about akgraner's summaries of 3+ yrs ago....^_^
[21:08] <akgraner> oh you would be amused
[21:08] <akgraner> I'll see if I can dig some up
[21:09] <akgraner> I kept a copy so I could see what changes were made to my summaries in an effort to learn :-) (I know I am weird)
[21:10] <akgraner> oh it is so sad when I can't find my own gdoc - and what gmail account I added it to  - so sad
[21:13] <akgraner> pleia2, list and header are updated on gdoc
[21:14] <akgraner> they are now Ubuntu Engineering Teams :-/
[21:14] <bkerensa> akgraner: dholbach did all the summaries this issue... I just did the interview of the week
[21:14] <bkerensa> In fact I need to start on next weeks
[21:14] <bkerensa> :(
[21:15] <akgraner> bkerensa, :-) no worries - it happens
[21:15] <bkerensa> Its Friday... I just want hot soup and rest
[21:16] <akgraner> I know the feeling
[21:17] <akgraner> but I feel like I am in a bad Seinfeld episode and all I am hearing is "No soup for you!"
[21:17] <bkerensa> :D
[21:17] <bkerensa> Well luckily I am having soup tonight... We having Pho at the Ubuntu Hour but apparently I'm also invited to go out for a beer which is in another part of the city :P not sure if I will do the latter
[21:20]  * MrChrisDruif has to work tomorrow =(
[21:20] <MrChrisDruif> And Sunday also =(
[21:20] <akgraner> I wanna live in CA
[21:20] <MrChrisDruif> I can't wait till I get a "normal" job again
[21:21] <akgraner> normal is just a setting on my dryer :-)
[21:22] <MrChrisDruif> akgraner; I mean a job with normal working hours, not shifts which can also be set in the weekend (8-17 job or something)
[21:22] <MrChrisDruif> Monday -> Friday
[21:22] <scott_ev_> akgraner, pleia2 - I'm going to start helping in a few days for next issue.  I'm feeling pretty sick today.
[21:22] <bkerensa> normal on my dryer does not seem to work =/ literally spent almost 1 hr 45m trying to dry a load of clothes
[21:22] <bkerensa> :P
[21:23] <akgraner> scott_ev_, thanks - feel better first
[21:23] <scott_ev_> otay,  I thought you'd understand
[21:23] <akgraner> totally
[21:23] <MrChrisDruif> scott_ev_; it's alright! Get better first, only help when you can (I do too)
[21:30] <MrChrisDruif> I've done another one, I hope it's more up to par akgraner ^_^
[21:30]  * akgraner looks
[21:32] <akgraner> Multi-monitor one?  If so looks great!
[21:33] <akgraner> I might say and "showcases the prototype that was made."
[21:33] <akgraner> but it looks good
[21:42] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, it was the multi-monitor one
[21:43] <MrChrisDruif> Anyhow, I'll be off now. Off to my own home and bed. Gotta rise and shine early tomorrow morning
[22:01] <akgraner> heading out for a while  - ping me if you need me.