[00:00] <directhex> do i wear my qt <3 ubuntu tshirt, or my opensolaris tshirt?
[00:00] <Azelphur> Ubuntu :P
[00:15] <gord> if i'm wearing my conference shirts, it generally means its prolly laundry day
[00:25] <directhex> heh
[00:26] <directhex> if i don't wear my Qt tee, how will people know i love Qt?
[00:26] <directhex> see also opensolaris
[00:32] <Azelphur> for maps in a game, creative commons is a suitable license, right?
[00:33] <directhex> depends on which rights you want to confer and which to reserve
[00:33] <directhex> i.e. "what do you want to do?"
[00:33] <Azelphur> directhex: thinking of running a contest on my game servers, get some nice new maps made
[00:34] <Azelphur> so I was thinking enforce CC license without the commercial clause (since I'm aiming towards commercial)
[00:34] <directhex> CC-BY-ND or CC-BY?
[00:35] <Azelphur> probably CC-BY
[00:35] <directhex> as long as the licenses of content you consume - textures for example - don't go against that
[00:36] <directhex> i don't remember if hl2 engine cooks the textures into the map file
[00:36] <Azelphur> good point, I'll ask about
[01:03] <Azelphur> wtf -.- job centre apparently just phoned my dad to tell me I'd missed an appointment that they never booked with me, and arn't supposed to be booking with me at all
[01:08] <directhex> just? at 1am?
[01:16] <Azelphur> sorry, not just, haha
[01:17] <Azelphur> my dads slow/inaccurate at reporting things, so will need to call back and see what's going on, they havn't even scheduled an appointment with me or anything :/
[08:08] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:10] <popey> Morning
[08:12] <popey> x220 out for delivery \o/
[08:13] <MooDoo> yay...it's had a long journey :D
[08:16] <Myrtti> boo, we ordered a winter coat and it'll be here on Monday - D will fly today :-|
[08:16] <Myrtti> -23C :-|
[08:18] <MooDoo> Myrtti: wow where are you?
[08:19] <Myrtti> my apartment in Finland
[08:19] <Myrtti> it's been -38.5C up north earlier this week
[08:19] <MooDoo> blimey.....
[08:19] <MooDoo> it's -5 here where i am....
[08:20] <Myrtti> second round in presidential elections and people are campaigning out there...
[08:20] <Myrtti> madness
[08:20] <MooDoo> well they got to do it
[08:20] <diplo> Morning all
[08:20] <Myrtti> schools have limits on how cold the kids go out for recess
[08:21] <daubers> `Morning
[08:26] <daubers> AlanBell: Which week are the happy hours in normally?
[08:45] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:46] <MooDoo> morning czajkowski
[08:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning all - looks like AlanBell had a dodgy pint last night.
[08:50] <daubers> oh dear, should we all point and laugh now?
[08:53] <popey> hah
[08:53] <popey> just the one?
[08:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> Well, he "says" it's food poisoning ;-) Apparently been up all night on the great white telephone.
[08:54] <Myrtti> oh my
[08:54] <popey> bless
[08:54] <popey> can't take him anywhere
[08:54] <Myrtti> well atleast for once I can feel old in a positive way
[08:59] <smittix> hmm my server randomly shut down last night
[09:12] <Myrtti> http://en.ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/weather/Kuusamo - Kuusamo is in East Lapland
[09:13] <Myrtti> (real data is the line graph below, prediction is above)
[09:17] <MooDoo> wow -38 on sunday
[09:17]  * czajkowski is writing her slides now ....
[09:17] <czajkowski> FECK!!!
[09:19] <s-fox> Hello.
[09:19] <oimon> http://gizmodo.com/5874133/olpc-xo-30-hands-on-the-100-wonder-tablet the OLPC tablet looks quite good
[09:19] <MooDoo> hello s-fox
[09:19] <MooDoo> hello czajkowski you ok hun?
[09:19] <s-fox> Hello MooDoo , how are you ? :-) Still at the photography?
[09:20] <MooDoo> s-fox: very well thanks :) yes i'm still at it :D
[09:20] <czajkowski> MooDoo: aye
[09:20] <MooDoo> czajkowski: just checking due to the FECK!!! :)
[09:24]  * bigcalm zaps a beer to AlanBell for chairing last night's meeting from a pub while I continued working.
[09:24] <bigcalm> AlanBell: will make it a real one next time I'm your way
[09:25] <bigcalm> Hi peeps
[09:26]  * popey is saving eggs for tomorrow
[09:26] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, everyone! :D
[09:26] <JamesTait> popey: What's tomorrow?
[09:27] <popey> Saturday
[09:27] <daubers> JamesTait: You weekend worshipper you!
[09:27] <popey> When we usually have boiled eggs for brekkie
[09:27] <popey> that or croissants
[09:27] <popey> or bacon
[09:27] <JamesTait> Nice.
[09:27] <JamesTait> We should do something like that.
[09:28] <JamesTait> daubers: Not really, but I like to play along for those who are. ;)
[09:28] <popey> weekdays kids are ina hurry so we just have cereal
[09:28]  * JamesTait nods
[09:28] <Twinkletoes> General question... What mailing lists/blogs/websites do people subscribe to/look at for general IT security-related alerts?
[09:29]  * daubers is off paintballing tomorrow \o/
[09:29] <popey> too cold for paintball ☺
[09:29]  * JamesTait will mostly be looking for a new car.
[09:29] <MooDoo> lazer tag
[09:29] <Twinkletoes> popey: Hey! - When paintballs *don't* explode on impact, it bloody hurts
[09:29] <gord> nice warm cup of tea... athon
[09:29] <popey> hah
[09:29]  * bigcalm is ignoring computers for 48 hours  tomorrow (that's the plan any way)
[09:29] <MooDoo> paintball rocks
[09:29] <popey> lies
[09:32] <popey> http://imgur.com/H6xfj nearly there
[09:32] <bigcalm> Ooooo
[09:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> me thinks someone is a tad excited...
[09:32] <oimon> Twinkletoes: http://isc.sans.org/ is quite good, but i am on various lists for specific stuff since IT is very broad and i don't care much about mac and win security issues
[09:33] <bigcalm> I hope it's worth it
[09:33] <Twinkletoes> oimon: thx
[09:33] <popey> just a bit TheOpenSourcerer :D
[09:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> I bet popey won't be "ignoring computers for 48 hours" this weekend
[09:34] <bigcalm> popey: reminds me of when I ordered my Nexus One. I may have spammed here about it a little as well
[09:36] <oimon> the reality ne'er meets up to the hype
[09:36] <danfish> morning
[09:36] <oimon> after a day you think meh it's just a box i run stuff on
[09:36] <JamesTait> What have you ordered, popey?
[09:36] <danfish> ooh - BT Vision doing a sky and moving to linux http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02/03/bt_vision_upgrade/
[09:36] <popey> JamesTait: x220
[09:37] <JamesTait> Oh yeah, I remember you saying now.
[09:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> danfish: My mate works and sky was responsible for the OTA update from vxWorks to Linux last year on the Sky+ boxes - That's big cahonas if you ask me.
[09:39] <danfish> TheOpenSourcerer: I remember you saying that - definitely a gutsy move. Not sure I trust BT to make it go as smoothly.....
[09:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> Quite.
[09:40] <danfish> The inlaws have got it, so I expect some help calls sometime soon :(
[09:42] <bigcalm> popey: does it come with the windows tax?
[09:42] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer: skyboxes aren't vxworks anymore?
[09:43] <popey> bigcalm: yes
[09:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> I want to draw some fairly simple object diagrams for a functional spec on a project. Dia or OOo Draw?
[09:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> directhex: Certainly the Sky+ HD aren't running vx anymore.
[09:44] <bigcalm> popey: putting in an ssd?
[09:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not sue if they have updated all devices.
[09:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> s/sure
[09:44] <popey> bigcalm: no
[09:45] <bigcalm> 
[09:46]  * popey has updated the dns records for ubuntu-uk.org and all the subdomains (mootbot, podcast, static.podcast, pastebin) - let me know if something breaks please!
[09:47] <popey> old IP is 212.13.194.123
[09:47] <popey> new IP is 85.119.82.123
[09:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> That'll be a bitfolk server then popey
[09:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> Had to do the same thing to one of ours the other day
[09:48] <popey> ☺
[09:48] <popey> left it a bit late
[09:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> I didn't get the orginal email about it. Only found out 2 weeks ago.
[09:54] <DJones> Just having a play with bitlbee, does anybody know if there are issues with it connecting to msn accounts, I can see bug reports talking about it and wondered if anybody was aware of a fix for it
[09:59] <diplo> popey / TheOpenSourcerer, BitFolk best VPS company to go for atm, want to move away from my GoDaddy hosting
[10:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> diplo: I guess it depends on what you need. We mainly use Hetzner now but we rent bare metal servers. We have a bitfolk VPS which has been very reliable and have no problems with it.
[10:03] <BigRedS> Has anyone got VPS majorly wrong? I don't think I've ever heard a VPS horror story...
[10:03] <diplo> Hosting half a dozen sites TheOpenSourcerer and use as a backup for my images via rsync
[10:03] <diplo> No heavy use at all
[10:03] <diplo> About £12 a month for what i need
[10:04] <diplo> I pay £6 a month atm on shared so not the end of the world
[10:04] <shauno> BigRedS: I had one that had no idea of the concept of uptime.  they've since relocated and seem to be behaving now tho, so I won't name them
[10:06] <popey> mine has 3 9's uptime ☺
[10:06] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/827459/
[10:09] <BigRedS> ooooh, not come across uprecords before
[10:09] <shauno> yeah, I've had zero problems with bitfolk.  and they've been pretty nifty whenever I've needed to bug them about anything too
[10:10] <popey> tis fun BigRedS
[10:10] <Myrtti> BigRedS: my VPS went wrong, but it was hosted by a friend on a second-hand server in a server room I had no idea of
[10:10] <Myrtti> and it was too costly for my needs anyway
[10:11] <BigRedS> popey: debian seems to only have the cgi version
[10:11] <BigRedS> oh, it includes that binary
[10:12] <BigRedS> nifty
[10:13] <diplo> I've always had servers with gigs of ram in them hosted locally, 480mb ram for non busy sites be ok with apache, or better to learn a leaner web server ?
[10:14] <DJones> This sounds promising, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02/03/bt_vision_upgrade/ BT Vision top upgrade set top boxes from Windows CE to Linux over the air
[10:15] <m4r35n357> is there a simple explanation of what the different virtualbox packages are?
[10:15] <shauno> DJones: what could possibily go wrong ;)
[10:15] <DJones> shauno: My thoughts as well
[10:15] <m4r35n357> there are two DKMS packages, guest ISO and guest packages, with complicated dependencies and conflicts, and little or no guidance
[10:16]  * smittix really can't see why my VPS host can't send a mail out for scheduled down time.
[10:16] <smittix> Instead I have to check their service status page everyday just to make sure I know when they are going to take my server offline :/
[10:16] <m4r35n357> I've just failed to install pangolin alpha, because it wants the DKMS package
[10:16] <m4r35n357> which I had, bit it was removed when I asked for the guest packages
[10:17] <m4r35n357> and trying to reinstall it causes a conflict that I'm not sure how to resolve
[10:17] <m4r35n357> the whole thing is a mess!
[10:17] <m4r35n357> should I use the DKMS or the guest DKMS?
[10:17] <m4r35n357> should I use the guest packages or the guest ISO package?
[10:17] <m4r35n357> grrr!
[10:18] <m4r35n357> maybe I should just not bother testing . . . . ?
[10:19] <kirrus> m4r35n357: it's alpha! Expect it to break in interesting and horrible ways :P
[10:20] <m4r35n357> kirrus, what, virtualbox?  did you read my question?
[10:21] <kirrus> "failed to install pangolin alpha"
[10:21] <m4r35n357> and the rest . . .
[10:21] <m4r35n357> it's a virtualbox question
[10:21] <m4r35n357> not a pangolin question
[10:22] <popey> which virtualbox package did you install?
[10:22] <popey> (I have never had this problem with vb)
[10:23] <m4r35n357> popey, I wanted the base package, but with guest additions, the synaptic descriptions are just confusing
[10:23] <popey> what version of ubuntu are you on?
[10:23] <m4r35n357> and selecting various things deselects other things, with no overall explanation
[10:23] <m4r35n357> 11.04
[10:24] <popey> sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose
[10:24] <popey> that should be sufficient to get virtualbox installed
[10:24] <m4r35n357> I have now got the DKMS installed by using synaptic (the command line gave me a conflict), which deinstalled teh guest DKMS, whatever that is
[10:24] <popey> (I usually use the deb from their website tbh)
[10:25] <m4r35n357> so there are two DKMS packages, basically, why?
[10:25] <popey> why do you care?
[10:25] <popey> just install virtualbox and run it
[10:25] <m4r35n357> well I want to undestand what I am doing
[10:25] <popey> anything that has -guest- in the name is intended to be installed (sorry if this sounds dumb) in the 'guest' not the 'host' machine
[10:26] <popey> i.e. on 11.04 (your host) you don't install -guest- packages
[10:26] <popey> but in your 12.04 install _inside_ the VM you _do_
[10:26] <popey> make sense?
[10:28] <m4r35n357> yeah, sort of, but there is a confusing package linkage that got me
[10:28] <m4r35n357> anyway, "no bootable medium found" is the latest issue
[10:28] <m4r35n357> I've tried it on IDE primary and secondary master, maybe it doesn't like the image being on a NAS?
[10:29] <popey> image?
[10:29] <m4r35n357> ISO image
[10:30] <m4r35n357> I'm copying it to my home dir to try again
[10:30] <popey> dont think it cares where it is, so long as it's accessible
[10:30] <m4r35n357> well I can read it, but VB can't ;)
[10:33] <m4r35n357> nope, won't load from home dir either
[10:34] <m4r35n357> maybe the ISO is corrupt . . .
[10:34] <popey> which iso did you grab?
[10:34] <popey> I'll test here
[10:35] <m4r35n357> hold on, I'll check teh md5sum
[10:35] <m4r35n357> looks good to me
[10:35] <m4r35n357> its' the Xubuntu desktop
[10:36] <m4r35n357> but I haven't used VB for a while, so I might have got something wrong
[10:37] <m4r35n357> aha!
[10:37] <m4r35n357> yep, my fault, I had the CD disabled!
[10:40] <m4r35n357> hmmm, refuses to run live CD, complaining about missing pae, whatever that is
[10:42] <m4r35n357> also, wants me to select 32 bit graphics, but I can't find the option
[10:43] <m4r35n357> now a "critical error" from VB . ..
[10:46] <m4r35n357> yep, it insists on pae, but fails if I enable it, giving up!
[10:47] <popey> hah
[10:48] <m4r35n357> well over the years I've acquired a good sense of when to surrender ;)
[10:48] <m4r35n357> I'm a bit of an old hand with Debian/Ubuntu
[11:10] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:11] <DJones> Morning brobostigon
[11:11] <brobostigon> morning DJones
[11:12] <DJones> brobostigon: You might just be the person I want to speak to, do you use bitlbee?
[11:12] <brobostigon> DJones: i do, yes.
[11:13] <DJones> I've just been playing around getting it working for chat accounts, I can get gtalk working fine, but msn fails at getting the buddy list, have you had that problem?
[11:14] <brobostigon> DJones: yes, the normal bitlbee failed there here aswell, untill i used bitlbee-libpurple, which uses libpurple insted of bitlbee's own protocol stack, msn works with that.
[11:14] <DJones> is that in the repo's? or do you have to compile it manually?
[11:15] <brobostigon> DJones: i use bitlbee ppa here, and it is in there.
[11:15] <brobostigon> !info bitlbee-libpurple
[11:15] <DJones> Found it anyway
[11:15] <brobostigon> ok, it is in the repos.
[11:16] <brobostigon> DJones: you may have to readd or change some of the account parameters, i had to, some of the account details dont follow over properly. between one and the other.
[11:17] <DJones> I'd deleted the account anyway, just readding and testing again
[11:18] <brobostigon> ok.
[11:18] <DJones> It authenticated, but still fails at the buddy list
[11:19] <brobostigon> DJones: i dont know then, i would maybe try the version in their ppa, as that work here, and is alittle newer.
[11:20] <DJones> brobostigon: Thats the one I'm using, maybe need to completely stop & restart bitlbee
[11:20] <brobostigon> DJones: that is what i did, yes.
[11:21] <DJones> brobostigon: How do you quit bitlbee without quitting irssi?
[11:21] <brobostigon> DJones: i killed the channel, and the /disconnect from the network name, you connected to.
[11:22] <Gary> http://imgur.com/a/7GyVH#0  green snotrocket! ftw
[11:22] <DJones> Gary: Why is that headed up "MX5 sport black" when its green ?
[11:22] <DJones> brobostigon: Thanks
[11:22] <brobostigon> DJones: :)
[11:23] <smittix> Yay! Ubuntu Unleashed 2012 has arrived.
[11:23] <Gary> DJones: because it's a green sport black edition mx5
[11:23] <daubers> green sport black yellow red edition?
[11:23] <DJones> Right..... :)
[11:23] <Gary> I don't query mazda's naming, I just bought the thing :p
[11:24] <Gary> they did em in red and white too, but not black!
[11:24] <Gary> (there is a lot of black trim though)
[11:26] <brobostigon> DJones: also, i am using the pidgin ppa, so i also have the latest version of libpurple, for it to use, which may help also.
[11:37] <gord> anyone know if webdav sucks? looking for a backup solution that doesn't require me to input a password (so i can automate) but isn't just cp -r * /path/to/samba/share
[11:38] <mgdm> ssh with a key?
[11:38] <mgdm> webdav is... complicated
[11:38] <popey> i backup the other way round, run backup on server that pulls from laptop/desktop
[11:38] <popey> and that uses ssh keys
[11:40] <gord> hey that is a point, ssh with a key should work
[11:40] <gord> the real question is why was dejadup asking me for a key
[11:40] <gord> password*
[11:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> gord I run a bash script on my little server that wakes up the machines around the house and backs up from one to another - no passwords all done using ssh keys and rsync.
[11:42] <gord> grumble dejadup backs up stupid stuff
[11:42] <gord> really don't need it to back up my browser cache
[11:43] <diplo> popey, to answer your question from earlier, dns is still resolving to old ip for podcast.xxxxx etc of 213 and not the new one on Virgin here atm
[11:44] <popey> diplo: yeah, taking an age
[11:44] <diplo> not sure when you made the change but it's not propagated yet
[11:44] <diplo> :)
[11:44] <diplo> Not sure if you saw my Q earlier, what web server do you run on your vps ?
[11:44] <diplo> Do you have the default 480mb ?
[11:51] <popey> diplo: mine has 128mb
[11:51] <diplo> oh right :)
[11:53] <diplo> do you run apache ? Was going to try and find out myself but as i can't resolve the sites i couldnt check
[11:53] <diplo> :P
[12:06] <popey> diplo: no, i use lighttpd
[12:08] <oimon> gord: i tried using webdav feature supplied by box.net and it sucked royally
[12:09] <oimon> i gave up my rsync because it didn't seem to actually do anything. wondering if thats box.net or webdav's fault
[12:13] <diplo> cheers popey
[12:22] <daubers> \o/ coffee machine
[12:31] <davmor2> morningish all
[12:36] <daubers> davmor2: Afternoon
[12:50] <czajkowski> Choooo choo
[13:19] <oimon> ugh i always regret eating a pasty about 5 seconds after finishing
[13:19] <Gary> same
[13:20]  * popey cuddles Gary 
[13:20] <Gary> I just had most of a large dominos pizza for lunch, i'll probably feel ill in about 30 min
[13:20] <Gary> hey popey you sexy beast
[13:21] <oimon> wondering whether to wash down with crisps or straight to the batternberg
[13:21] <Gary> beer for washing down
[13:41] <oimon> what's the proper name for sysadmins law? (no changes after lunch on a friday)
[13:41] <BigRedS> poets day?
[13:41] <BigRedS> oh, no, that's way more general and just about going home early
[13:43] <oimon> this guy wants to name it after himself (2nd law) http://barry.warsaw.us/software/laws.html
[13:43] <oimon> looks like it's there for the taking
[13:49] <Gary> no changes when I'm drunk law?
[13:53] <davmor2> jpds: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/921657
[14:20] <AlanBell> morning all
[14:20] <directhex> morning?
[14:21] <AlanBell> I just woke up so it is morning
[14:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hello AlanBell How are you?
[14:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> Dodgy pint? Or dodgy chicken kebab
[14:24] <directhex> nice logic
[14:25] <AlanBell> whatever it was my body decided to make sure it wss all gone every 20 minutes to 6:30
[14:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh dear.
[14:26] <directhex> i am in london.
[14:27] <popey> hehe
[14:27] <Gary> condolances
[14:27] <directhex> not for long though
[14:34] <bigcalm> AlanBell: oh dear, I hope it doesn't put you off future drinks and kebabs
[14:34] <bigcalm> Something to be said for working for yourself
[14:36]  * popey waits for his neighbour to come home
[14:36] <popey> UPS dropped my laptop off to neigbour
[14:37] <bigcalm> So you're waiting on their doorstep and are chatting via your phone
[14:38] <bigcalm> Have you considered breaking a window?
[14:38] <popey> hah, no, i have one eye on the road to see when he gets back
[14:38] <popey> yes
[14:38] <bigcalm> Haha
[14:38] <popey> they already have one
[14:39] <bigcalm> tonytiger: how far north would you be willing to travel for a wedding shoot?
[14:39] <bigcalm> And are you available Autumn 2013?
[14:40]  * bigcalm ponders a twitter fall at his wedding reception
[14:41] <gord> i can do your wedding photos
[14:41] <popey> with a 3ds?
[14:41] <gord> my nexus camera is fine right?
[14:41] <gord> or the 3ds
[14:41] <gord> then its in 3d!
[14:42] <gord>  or the 3ds + nexus camera taped on, 4d!
[14:42] <bigcalm> Ha
[14:42] <bigcalm> Oh dear
[14:42] <gord> i took my old ds to my brothers wedding, they wern't happy about that
[14:43] <bigcalm> Wonder why
[14:43] <popey> would be fun to have an end of level tone play when the 'you may kiss the bride' bit comes up
[14:43] <Gary> I did the pics for my brothers wedding, and have got a better camera since then too
[14:44] <Gary> bigcalm: where?
[14:44] <bigcalm> Shropshire
[14:44] <bigcalm> popey: oggcamp can't clash, please ensure
[14:45] <Gary> bigcalm: eek, at least 3 hours away, 215 miles
[14:45] <Gary> popey: or a level up tone
[14:46] <bigcalm> Gary: yet, not everything happens down sauf :P
[14:46] <Gary> I ain't that southern
[14:46] <Gary> innit
[14:47] <popey> bigcalm: tricky given I don't know when your wedding is
[14:47] <gord> drowning music from sonic would be more interesting
[14:47] <bigcalm> popey: autumn 2013 :P
[14:47]  * seeker needs a wedding photographer
[14:47] <popey> BE MORE SPECIFIC
[14:47] <popey> seeker: meet tonytiger
[14:47] <popey> http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/weddings/
[14:49] <seeker> Shiny
[14:50] <Laney> "grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat"
[14:50] <popey> http://xi3.org/
[14:51]  * seeker will pass link on to someone that is allowed to make decisions about said wedding
[14:52] <bigcalm> Heh
[14:52] <bigcalm> seeker: know the feeling :P
[14:53] <seeker> :)
[14:54] <seeker> popey: Any idea who makes the GPU in that?
[14:55] <popey> no
[14:55] <popey> that link is all i know
[14:55] <brobostigon> any perticuler recommendarion for an anti-virus/general security app, for android?
[14:56] <popey> I wouldn't bother
[14:56] <brobostigon> why?
[14:56] <brobostigon> i have pray, already.
[14:57] <popey> why have one?
[14:57] <brobostigon> or why i shouldnt?
[14:58] <brobostigon> thr immediate disadvanteges that come to mind are, use of ram and cpu, so, ie , not leaving as much for the other things i ant to run.
[14:59] <seeker> brobostigon: I have a rock you can buy which keeps away tigers
[14:59] <brobostigon> seeker: haha.
[14:59] <seeker> popey: Hmm, similar price to a mac mini
[14:59] <brobostigon> also increases the wake time, so, ie, get higher battery drain.
[15:00] <popey> I'm trying to get to "why have one"
[15:00] <popey> not "why not have one"
[15:01] <brobostigon> android targetted virii/malware etc.
[15:02] <popey> is there a real problem with that?
[15:03] <brobostigon> depends on who i talk to, and what i read.
[15:03] <oimon> seeker: apparently horse chestnuts keep spider away
[15:03] <oimon> brobostigon: are you frequenting the chinese 3rd party wallpaper app markets much?
[15:03] <brobostigon> oimon: no.
[15:03] <oimon> i install 1 new app a month if that. and usually used by 500,000 others
[15:04] <oimon> not everyone is me though, i admit
[15:04] <brobostigon> oimon: yes, i take sensible precautions, of research like that, also.
[15:05] <brobostigon> ok, i get the impression, having just prey, is going to be enough.
[15:13] <oimon> brobostigon: google are scanning apps now too. tbh i thought they already were
[15:14] <brobostigon> oimon: that was my though also,
[15:26] <oimon> sat down again with 4 DEs last night, trying to decide what to use in 12.04
[15:28] <oimon> i thought that gnome shell with extensions would supply my needs but the title bars etc are enormous
[15:29] <oimon> and the extensions are a bit glitchy
[15:30] <oimon> i might end up settling for unity with docky, minus global menu, buttons on right and 10 seconds reveal on launcher(i.e. hidden)
[15:31] <oimon> or XFCE :D
[15:33] <diplo> oimon, My friends have horse chestnuts outside there front and back door, they reckon it's worked really well
[15:34] <diplo> First time they have done it this year
[15:34] <diplo> Some sort of odour or something they give off from memory ( Could be completely wrong! )
[15:34] <oimon> although we have had low spider count this  year
[15:35] <diplo> Since my wife left me I've had 2!
[15:35] <diplo> When my wife lived with me, maybe 50-100 a year
[15:35] <diplo> :D
[15:35] <oimon> correlation vs causation, i like it
[15:35] <diplo> heh
[15:36] <oimon> i also find that argent nit is a great homeopathic remedy for allergic conjuctivitis..liberal twitter users hate me for it
[15:36] <diplo> We had some huge ones, one that was bigger than the light switch it was walking past, it was so heavy/big that when it hit the floor because it was so heavy it made a huge *thud*
[15:36]  * oimon pukes a bit
[15:37] <diplo> I don't like spiders but not to worried, but when she screamed with that one i thought not again, but when i got downstairs i was actually taken aback by it's size
[15:37] <diplo> my normal pint glass catching tool wasn't big enough
[15:37] <diplo> Had to get a pyrex bowl
[15:37] <diplo> Got some photos somewhere, I was proud!
[15:37] <diplo> :P
[15:37] <Gary> i'd have run away
[15:37] <Gary> sold the house or something
[15:37] <diplo> It was close!
[15:38] <Gary> sur eit was a spider and not a small dog with mutant legs?
[15:38] <diplo> I do reckon some of the spider issues are down to me keeping the house a lot tidier and cooler now
[15:38]  * diplo looks for photo a mo
[15:38] <oimon> i'd have charged rent
[15:41] <DJones> diplo: Camel Spider -> http://www.camelspiders.net/large-camel-spider.jpg I'd be tempted to move house
[15:41] <nucru> hello out there. have anyone experience in Empathy. I want to use it as an IM-client.
[15:41] <oimon> don't click it
[15:43] <diplo> http://ubuntuone.com/2JLrfWsIfC0vAePtdjlNkf
[15:43] <DJones> oimon: "click it" Hit the bugger with large sledgehammer more like :)
[15:44] <diplo> http://ubuntuone.com/6Uy7bap0Hc2tFB6oPpcNKm
[15:44] <diplo> not the best photos
[15:44] <diplo> Got some others at home
[15:44] <diplo> It was it's leg span, I have a photo somewhere of it and it's legs were above and below the light switch
[15:48] <seeker> That's evil
[15:48] <diplo> It gave me the shudders for sure :D
[15:49] <DJones> Yuch, I'd have reached for the hoover for that
[15:49] <bigcalm> Thank goodness that photo loaded slowly
[15:50] <bigcalm> I shall read the scroll back before clicking future links
[15:52] <Gary> omg
[15:52] <gord> spiders are cute :P
[15:52] <Gary> only when flat
[15:53] <bigcalm> Only when I can't see them
[15:53] <gord> http://socuteurl.com/bluefairycat especially cute
[15:54] <bigcalm> Yeah, think I'll ignore here for a while and get back to work
[15:54] <diplo> I've never killed a spider
[16:02] <oimon> i know an old lady who swallowed a fly
[16:07] <popey> http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2012/02/03/anonymous-fbi-pceu-hacking-conference-call/
[16:07] <popey> ho ho
[16:27] <brobostigon> my mum is watching ch4, and there is this women on there, with such an accent, that for comic affect, you would add subtitles to her.
[16:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Blimey strong stuff from the Met Office: "There is a 100% probability of severe cold weather/icy  conditions/heavy snow between 1000 on Friday and 1000 on Tuesday in  parts of England." http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/coldweatheralert/
[16:31] <gord> i don't think they know what 100% means
[16:38] <tonytiger> bigcalm: Have camera, will travel. :) And I am generally available in August 2013 yes.
[16:45] <bigcalm> Autumn, didn't say August ;)
[16:45] <bigcalm> tonytiger: that's great though! I shall let Hayley know
[16:45] <bigcalm> tonytiger: Hayley spotted a typo on your site :|
[16:46] <tonytiger> Oooh, where?
[16:47] <bigcalm> http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/weddings/2011/helen-and-jeff
[16:47] <seeker> tonytiger: How busy are you in November this year?
[16:47] <bigcalm> tonytiger: Jeff’s family, who own a coach fim
[16:47] <tonytiger> bigcalm: oops, thanks
[16:47] <bigcalm> tonytiger: I'll give Hayley the happy news ;)
[16:50] <tonytiger> bigcalm: fixed the typo, thanks
[16:50] <tonytiger> seeker: depends on the date, but I'm not fully booked :)
[16:50] <seeker> 3rd?
[16:51] <tonytiger> That's clear :)
[16:52] <seeker> Cool, I'll give the better half a link to your site later
[16:54] <tonytiger> seeker: nice one, thanks :)
[16:55] <popey> squeeeeeeeee new laptop
[16:56] <seeker> popey: Cool :)
[16:57] <gord> popey, you are officially welcome into the club of awesome people who own awesome laptops :)
[16:57] <popey> \o/
[16:57] <popey> oh golly this has sparkles
[16:58] <gord> sparkles?
[16:58] <popey> the lid sparkles
[16:58] <popey> like it has glitter embedded in it
[16:58] <gord> oh right yes
[16:58] <gord> its pretty
[16:58] <seeker> Is it pink?
[16:59] <Myrtti> pink mentioned
[16:59] <seeker> With ponies?
[16:59] <seeker> O.o
[16:59] <gord> i refuse to believe that is a script, Myrtti is just that fast
[16:59] <Myrtti> it was indeed typed 100% there on the spot by me.
[16:59] <popey> i havent even switched it on yet
[16:59] <popey> i am just looking at it
[16:59] <popey> need an iso
[17:00] <seeker> She is staff, she has special powers now
[17:00] <gord> its the prettiest of all the thinkpads
[17:00] <bigcalm> Hehe
[17:01] <gord> hrm firefox 10 has a fullscreen api! fantastic! - fullscreen gets removed if you click on another window :(
[17:01] <ali1234> more fullscreen than what you get if you press f12?
[17:01] <popey> F11?
[17:02] <gord> its different than the f11 fullscreen, which just removes the chrome
[17:02] <gord> its intended for video and the like
[17:02] <Dave2> but we're talking about firefox not chrome!
[17:02]  * Dave2 hides a bit.
[17:02]  * popey waits for snow
[17:02]  * bigcalm wants snow
[17:03]  * Dave2 does not want snow.
[17:03] <Dave2> Don't want to be stuck inside.
[17:03]  * brobostigon reckons there wont be snow where he lives, until after midday tmrw.
[17:03] <bigcalm> Forecast for tomorrow, yay
[17:03]  * gord prints out a fake browser window with "isitsnowingyet.com" as the url, cuts out the content and pastes it on to his window
[17:04] <ali1234> er, yeah F11... but F11 removes everything except the scroll bars
[17:05] <ali1234> although admittedly the vertical scrollbar does show up even if there the content all fits on one page
[17:05] <danfish> pointless but fun http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1329
[17:05] <ali1234> also, bombing out of fullscreen mode on loss of focus is aping a flash "feature"
[17:07] <gord> they just both want to jump out of fullscreen if you alt tab
[17:11] <dwatkins> christel: I saw these and was reminded of the BOSU - http://www.space-hoppers.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=177 ;)
[17:12] <christel> OMG I MUST BUY A SPACEHOPPER
[17:13] <popey> we have a space hopper
[17:13] <seeker> Party at popeys!
[17:13] <gord> must buy space hopper.. but fill with helium, sail to the moon
[17:13] <dwatkins> I also considered buying a space hopper, despite having no garden to hop in.
[17:13] <dwatkins> I could hop to work...
[17:13] <christel> yes!
[17:14] <dwatkins> I wonder how well they cope with pavements...
[17:15] <bigcalm> christel: \o/
[17:15] <popey> I do have a shovel too :D
[17:16] <dwatkins> The design on these space hoppers looks a little evil.
[17:16] <bigcalm> Different product
[17:16] <bigcalm> Oh, 'on' not 'of'
[17:16]  * bigcalm goes back to work
[17:18] <dwatkins> I didn't notice the XXX section, although thankfully the video (which is obviously NSFW on a NSFW site) has been deleted.
[17:19] <bigcalm> LOL
[17:19] <bigcalm> Oh my
[17:25] <dwatkins> I'd almost forgotten that mplayer can play a movie in ASCII, this amuses me.
[17:26] <christel> helllooo bigcalm
[17:26] <christel> popey: how do you use a shovel with a space hopper?
[17:26] <christel> wait, don't tell me -- is this going to be the sequel to extreme ironing?
[17:27] <christel> extreme shovelling - popey style
[17:28] <Dave2> Affix to the bottom, jump
[17:28] <dwatkins> *pop*
[17:33] <seeker>      If you put a drill on the bottom you have the precursor to a pneumatic drill
[17:34] <bigcalm> pneumatic is an evil word
[17:35] <bigcalm> As is mnemonic
[17:35] <seeker> Why ?
[17:35] <bigcalm> And knew
[17:35] <gord> just pronounce the silent letters, it'll make everything easier in the long run
[17:35] <seeker> bigcalm: You must love 'queue'
[17:36] <BigRedS> I still get annoyed with Feng Shui. I think that's a word that's completely missed the point of transliteration.
[17:36] <bigcalm> Who thought it would be a good idea to have silent letters?
[17:36] <gord> who thought it would be a good idea to have multiple words that are spelt precisely the same but have completely different meanings
[17:36] <gord> but pronounced differently
[17:37] <bigcalm> Close lead
[18:15] <ali1234> wow anonymous have been busy today
[18:16] <aquarius> czajkowski, who knows about the forums?
[18:18] <zleap> ali1234, what they been up to ?
[18:18] <aquarius> or anyone else... who do I talk to about ubuntuforums stuff
[18:18] <aquarius> ?
[18:19] <shauno> I heard their confcall thing covered on the world service.  was a rather bizarre mix of shortwave vs interwebs
[18:19] <zleap> not sure,  try AlanBell or popey they may know who to chat to,
[18:24] <zleap> Brewtarget - beer calculator, ubuntu contributers think of everything :D
[18:24] <popey> aquarius: join #ubuntu-community-team
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> Whee. Snow -> no more trains
[18:43] <zleap> MartijnVdS, i wonder if they have that issue in India where they are using old steam trains and track etc built over 100 years ago
[18:45] <ali1234> how often does it snow in india?
[18:45] <zleap> it may snow on higher ground
[18:48] <ali1234> also remember last year when it was really cold in jan but it still turned out to be warmer on average?
[18:48] <ali1234> and it snowed loads and everyone said "oh it's just a one off"
[18:50] <ali1234> hey, do you really need all of wordpress to run isitsnowingyet.com?
[18:50] <zleap> yeah conditions have to be just right for snow,    local rugby ground is frozen,  so games are off at home tomorrow,  I am down in Penryn :(
[18:51] <zleap> well its fine, but will probably be cold, however saying that,  i think the forcast is 8 c tomorrow
[18:55] <ali1234> 8c or -8c?
[18:55] <zleap> +8c
[18:56] <ali1234> you're lucky
[18:56] <zleap> i guess they will call the club or the fixture secretary if the game is off
[18:56] <ali1234> we've got min -9, mean -2, max 2
[18:57] <ali1234> and 5cm of snow
[18:57] <ali1234> (forecasted)
[18:57] <ali1234> it hasn't snowed yet but you wouldn't know because there is an inch of hard front on everything
[18:57] <ali1234> *frost
[18:58] <ali1234> yesterday i had to put the heating on for the first time this year
[19:00] <zleap> ow
[19:00] <shauno> also almost want to do the "uphill both ways in the snow" rant here.  I've cycled in -40.  was only notable because no-one else showed up for work bceause their gas tanks weren't entirely liquid that morning.
[19:00] <zleap> lol
[19:01] <ali1234> you had a bike? you're LUCKY
[19:02] <ali1234> no but seriously though, 8 degrees is the point where i have to open windows to let out the heat from the computers :)
[19:02] <zleap> ll
[19:02] <zleap> lol
[19:04] <ali1234> i'm considering turning off the heating and just putting on a jumper and some socks, because it seems like a waste of money to sit here in just a t shirt when it's -2 outside
[19:04] <zleap> just a t-shirt sounds cold
[19:04] <shauno> that's hw I handle my bills.  heating is to save the plumbing; it's not for comfort
[19:04] <ali1234> yeah that's the thing... it's like 26 degrees in here
[19:04] <hamitron> :-o
[19:05] <zleap> yeah my computer office is like 20c
[19:05] <hamitron> 14 C in here, and that is fine
[19:05] <shauno> and you're complaining about the cold :/
[19:05] <popey> socks!
[19:05] <popey> outrage!
[19:06] <hamitron> popey, means no nibbling them nails I suppose ;)
[19:06] <zleap> eww
[19:06] <popey> haha
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[19:06] <hamitron> haha
[19:07]  * zleap hopes its a u buntu t-shirt ur wearing
[19:07] <shauno> easiest way to handle winter is just to turn your computer around, so the back is blowing at your feet.  sorted.
[19:07] <zleap> I did have a Microsoft one at one time, got sent it for registering home essentials 98
[19:08] <hamitron> sheep skin rug ftw
[19:08] <shauno> I'm not quite northern enough to go slaughter something to keep me warm :p
[19:09] <hamitron> I didn't, grandad did ;/
[19:09] <zleap> shauno, that would be the gentoo version,  for the ubuntu version you get the sheep skin ready prepared :D
[19:10] <popey> i was wearing a Red Hat hat during meetings today
[19:10] <hamitron> and ubuntu has a new colour every 6 months, so you gotta change :/
[19:10] <popey> how dare they iterate
[19:10] <zleap> it does,  the logo colour is the same as it was last 2 release
[19:11] <hamitron> oh, my mistake
[19:11] <hamitron> it has done at least
[19:11] <hamitron> :)
[19:11] <OmNomDePlume> Logo colour is important.
[19:11] <zleap> yeah
[19:11] <hamitron> guess times are tough atm, can't change too often
[19:11] <gordonjcp> oh, this is annoying
[19:11] <zleap> well my diy stickers worked quite well
[19:12] <gordonjcp> how the hell do you just download a package from the android marketplace?
[19:13] <OmNomDePlume> YOU CANNOT
[19:14] <shauno> as an iphone user, I assume it's something to do with curl, ssh, and the adk
[19:14] <shauno> like taking screenshots :)
[19:18] <diplo> Evening all
[19:21]  * zleap is installing 0 AD
[19:24] <zleap> also installed the prper xchat client now not the gnome front end one,  that seems ok for new users  but for those of us who need to enter custom settings not as useful]
[19:25] <zleap> hi diplo
[19:25] <diplo> yeah i never bother with the gnome one
[19:27] <zleap> i didn't realise at first itwas a cut down interface,  been on for months so decided as I am gonna be here quite often,  put the proper one on
[19:27] <zleap> I also need to upgrade my netbook, so should I wipe my 2gb flash drive and make a 11.10 boot disk,  or download the latest build of 12.04 and use that instead
[19:27] <zleap> given 12.04 is pretty stable
[19:30] <popey> aquarius: re: forums, join #ubuntu-community-team
[19:31] <gordonjcp> hmm
[19:31] <gordonjcp> well it appears that if you have an android tablet that doesn't have google android marketplace, you cannot get a PDF reader onto it
[19:32] <popey> there are other stores
[19:32] <popey> and you can probably get the apk on a pc and then "sideload" it
[19:32] <popey> I _hate_ that phrase
[19:32] <gordonjcp> that's what I've been trying to do
[19:33] <gordonjcp> seems that every other pdf reader is not on whatever half-assed idea of an app store this Archos tablet has
[19:33] <popey> bummer
[19:34] <gordonjcp> oh this is interesting
[19:34] <gordonjcp> you *can* get an apk for the adobe one, from adobe
[19:34] <gordonjcp> it's incredibly buried
[19:34] <popey> haha
[19:34] <popey> thats unexpected, and good
[19:41]  * BigRedS is finally on the train to fosdem
[19:43]  * MartijnVdS might drop by on Sunday
[19:45] <BigRedS> You're that local?
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: 2 hour drive
[20:03] <bigcalm> gordonjcp: kindle app can display pdfs
[20:04] <gordonjcp> bigcalm: oooh, never thought of that
[20:04] <bigcalm> It's what I use on my Xoom to read tech documents while coding
[20:04] <bigcalm> You could email the pdf to your kindle email address or just open it in the app
[20:56] <Azelphur> Anyone know a place you can get rather cheap PCs with not too much markup? I want to avoid the hassle of building
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: your local computer store?
[20:57] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: since when have brick&mortar stores and "cheap" belonged int he same sentence? o.O
[20:58] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: Most web stores have physical presence here
[20:58] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: also, we have tweakers.net/pricewatch in .nl
[20:58] <Azelphur> not here lol
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: set something like that up :)
[21:01] <Azelphur> perhaps http://www.ebuyer.com/337174-zoostorm-desktop-pc-7873-1051 o.O
[21:01] <Azelphur> looks like an alright base for the price, stick a GPU in there and it'd game ok if required too
[21:03] <gordonjcp> Azelphur: woah
[21:03] <Azelphur> yea, seems quite nice, reviews are good too
[21:04] <gordonjcp> probably quicker than the P4 3GHz I'm currently on...
[21:13] <Azelphur> facebook comments say it's got a 400W PSU and a PCIe x16 slot
[21:13] <Azelphur> so should be able to slap a GPU in there if required, looks good
[21:15]  * AlanBell likes sata hotplugging
[21:16] <AlanBell> upgrading the data disk in my home server to 3TB of spinning rust, just unmounted and unplugged the old one while the computer is still on, put it in another pc and now cloning the drive to the new one
[21:17] <MartijnVdS> \o/ sata hotplugging
[22:11] <popey> Evening all
[22:24] <zleap> hi