[00:00] do i wear my qt <3 ubuntu tshirt, or my opensolaris tshirt? [00:00] Ubuntu :P [00:15] if i'm wearing my conference shirts, it generally means its prolly laundry day === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [00:25] heh [00:26] if i don't wear my Qt tee, how will people know i love Qt? [00:26] see also opensolaris [00:32] for maps in a game, creative commons is a suitable license, right? [00:33] depends on which rights you want to confer and which to reserve [00:33] i.e. "what do you want to do?" [00:33] directhex: thinking of running a contest on my game servers, get some nice new maps made [00:34] so I was thinking enforce CC license without the commercial clause (since I'm aiming towards commercial) [00:34] CC-BY-ND or CC-BY? [00:35] probably CC-BY [00:35] as long as the licenses of content you consume - textures for example - don't go against that [00:36] i don't remember if hl2 engine cooks the textures into the map file [00:36] good point, I'll ask about [01:03] wtf -.- job centre apparently just phoned my dad to tell me I'd missed an appointment that they never booked with me, and arn't supposed to be booking with me at all [01:08] just? at 1am? [01:16] sorry, not just, haha [01:17] my dads slow/inaccurate at reporting things, so will need to call back and see what's going on, they havn't even scheduled an appointment with me or anything :/ [08:08] morning all [08:10] Morning [08:12] x220 out for delivery \o/ [08:13] yay...it's had a long journey :D [08:16] boo, we ordered a winter coat and it'll be here on Monday - D will fly today :-| [08:16] -23C :-| [08:18] Myrtti: wow where are you? [08:19] my apartment in Finland [08:19] it's been -38.5C up north earlier this week [08:19] blimey..... [08:19] it's -5 here where i am.... [08:20] second round in presidential elections and people are campaigning out there... [08:20] madness [08:20] well they got to do it [08:20] Morning all [08:20] schools have limits on how cold the kids go out for recess [08:21] `Morning [08:26] AlanBell: Which week are the happy hours in normally? [08:45] aloha [08:46] morning czajkowski [08:47] Morning all - looks like AlanBell had a dodgy pint last night. [08:50] oh dear, should we all point and laugh now? [08:53] hah [08:53] just the one? [08:53] Well, he "says" it's food poisoning ;-) Apparently been up all night on the great white telephone. [08:54] oh my [08:54] bless [08:54] can't take him anywhere [08:54] well atleast for once I can feel old in a positive way [08:59] hmm my server randomly shut down last night [09:12] http://en.ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/weather/Kuusamo - Kuusamo is in East Lapland [09:13] (real data is the line graph below, prediction is above) === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson [09:17] wow -38 on sunday [09:17] * czajkowski is writing her slides now .... [09:17] FECK!!! [09:19] Hello. [09:19] http://gizmodo.com/5874133/olpc-xo-30-hands-on-the-100-wonder-tablet the OLPC tablet looks quite good [09:19] hello s-fox [09:19] hello czajkowski you ok hun? [09:19] Hello MooDoo , how are you ? :-) Still at the photography? [09:20] s-fox: very well thanks :) yes i'm still at it :D [09:20] MooDoo: aye [09:20] czajkowski: just checking due to the FECK!!! :) [09:24] * bigcalm zaps a beer to AlanBell for chairing last night's meeting from a pub while I continued working. [09:24] AlanBell: will make it a real one next time I'm your way [09:25] Hi peeps [09:26] * popey is saving eggs for tomorrow [09:26] Happy Friday, everyone! :D [09:26] popey: What's tomorrow? [09:27] Saturday [09:27] JamesTait: You weekend worshipper you! [09:27] When we usually have boiled eggs for brekkie [09:27] that or croissants [09:27] or bacon [09:27] Nice. [09:27] We should do something like that. [09:28] daubers: Not really, but I like to play along for those who are. ;) [09:28] weekdays kids are ina hurry so we just have cereal [09:28] * JamesTait nods [09:28] General question... What mailing lists/blogs/websites do people subscribe to/look at for general IT security-related alerts? [09:29] * daubers is off paintballing tomorrow \o/ [09:29] too cold for paintball ☺ [09:29] * JamesTait will mostly be looking for a new car. [09:29] lazer tag [09:29] popey: Hey! - When paintballs *don't* explode on impact, it bloody hurts [09:29] nice warm cup of tea... athon [09:29] hah [09:29] * bigcalm is ignoring computers for 48 hours tomorrow (that's the plan any way) [09:29] paintball rocks [09:29] lies [09:32] http://imgur.com/H6xfj nearly there [09:32] Ooooo [09:32] me thinks someone is a tad excited... [09:32] Twinkletoes: http://isc.sans.org/ is quite good, but i am on various lists for specific stuff since IT is very broad and i don't care much about mac and win security issues [09:33] I hope it's worth it [09:33] oimon: thx [09:33] just a bit TheOpenSourcerer :D [09:34] I bet popey won't be "ignoring computers for 48 hours" this weekend [09:34] popey: reminds me of when I ordered my Nexus One. I may have spammed here about it a little as well [09:36] the reality ne'er meets up to the hype [09:36] morning [09:36] after a day you think meh it's just a box i run stuff on [09:36] What have you ordered, popey? [09:36] ooh - BT Vision doing a sky and moving to linux http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02/03/bt_vision_upgrade/ [09:36] JamesTait: x220 [09:37] Oh yeah, I remember you saying now. [09:38] danfish: My mate works and sky was responsible for the OTA update from vxWorks to Linux last year on the Sky+ boxes - That's big cahonas if you ask me. [09:39] TheOpenSourcerer: I remember you saying that - definitely a gutsy move. Not sure I trust BT to make it go as smoothly..... [09:39] Quite. [09:40] The inlaws have got it, so I expect some help calls sometime soon :( [09:42] popey: does it come with the windows tax? [09:42] TheOpenSourcerer: skyboxes aren't vxworks anymore? [09:43] bigcalm: yes [09:43] I want to draw some fairly simple object diagrams for a functional spec on a project. Dia or OOo Draw? [09:43] directhex: Certainly the Sky+ HD aren't running vx anymore. [09:44] popey: putting in an ssd? [09:44] Not sue if they have updated all devices. [09:44] s/sure [09:44] bigcalm: no [09:45] [09:46] * popey has updated the dns records for ubuntu-uk.org and all the subdomains (mootbot, podcast, static.podcast, pastebin) - let me know if something breaks please! [09:47] old IP is 212.13.194.123 [09:47] new IP is 85.119.82.123 [09:47] That'll be a bitfolk server then popey [09:47] Had to do the same thing to one of ours the other day [09:48] ☺ [09:48] left it a bit late [09:49] I didn't get the orginal email about it. Only found out 2 weeks ago. [09:54] Just having a play with bitlbee, does anybody know if there are issues with it connecting to msn accounts, I can see bug reports talking about it and wondered if anybody was aware of a fix for it [09:59] popey / TheOpenSourcerer, BitFolk best VPS company to go for atm, want to move away from my GoDaddy hosting [10:02] diplo: I guess it depends on what you need. We mainly use Hetzner now but we rent bare metal servers. We have a bitfolk VPS which has been very reliable and have no problems with it. [10:03] Has anyone got VPS majorly wrong? I don't think I've ever heard a VPS horror story... [10:03] Hosting half a dozen sites TheOpenSourcerer and use as a backup for my images via rsync [10:03] No heavy use at all [10:03] About £12 a month for what i need [10:04] I pay £6 a month atm on shared so not the end of the world [10:04] BigRedS: I had one that had no idea of the concept of uptime. they've since relocated and seem to be behaving now tho, so I won't name them [10:06] mine has 3 9's uptime ☺ [10:06] http://paste.ubuntu.com/827459/ [10:09] ooooh, not come across uprecords before [10:09] yeah, I've had zero problems with bitfolk. and they've been pretty nifty whenever I've needed to bug them about anything too [10:10] tis fun BigRedS [10:10] BigRedS: my VPS went wrong, but it was hosted by a friend on a second-hand server in a server room I had no idea of [10:10] and it was too costly for my needs anyway [10:11] popey: debian seems to only have the cgi version [10:11] oh, it includes that binary [10:12] nifty [10:13] I've always had servers with gigs of ram in them hosted locally, 480mb ram for non busy sites be ok with apache, or better to learn a leaner web server ? === seeker_ is now known as seeker [10:14] This sounds promising, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02/03/bt_vision_upgrade/ BT Vision top upgrade set top boxes from Windows CE to Linux over the air [10:15] is there a simple explanation of what the different virtualbox packages are? [10:15] DJones: what could possibily go wrong ;) [10:15] shauno: My thoughts as well [10:15] there are two DKMS packages, guest ISO and guest packages, with complicated dependencies and conflicts, and little or no guidance [10:16] * smittix really can't see why my VPS host can't send a mail out for scheduled down time. [10:16] Instead I have to check their service status page everyday just to make sure I know when they are going to take my server offline :/ [10:16] I've just failed to install pangolin alpha, because it wants the DKMS package [10:16] which I had, bit it was removed when I asked for the guest packages [10:17] and trying to reinstall it causes a conflict that I'm not sure how to resolve [10:17] the whole thing is a mess! [10:17] should I use the DKMS or the guest DKMS? [10:17] should I use the guest packages or the guest ISO package? [10:17] grrr! [10:18] maybe I should just not bother testing . . . . ? [10:19] m4r35n357: it's alpha! Expect it to break in interesting and horrible ways :P [10:20] kirrus, what, virtualbox? did you read my question? [10:21] "failed to install pangolin alpha" [10:21] and the rest . . . [10:21] it's a virtualbox question [10:21] not a pangolin question [10:22] which virtualbox package did you install? [10:22] (I have never had this problem with vb) [10:23] popey, I wanted the base package, but with guest additions, the synaptic descriptions are just confusing [10:23] what version of ubuntu are you on? [10:23] and selecting various things deselects other things, with no overall explanation [10:23] 11.04 [10:24] sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose [10:24] that should be sufficient to get virtualbox installed [10:24] I have now got the DKMS installed by using synaptic (the command line gave me a conflict), which deinstalled teh guest DKMS, whatever that is [10:24] (I usually use the deb from their website tbh) [10:25] so there are two DKMS packages, basically, why? [10:25] why do you care? [10:25] just install virtualbox and run it [10:25] well I want to undestand what I am doing [10:25] anything that has -guest- in the name is intended to be installed (sorry if this sounds dumb) in the 'guest' not the 'host' machine [10:26] i.e. on 11.04 (your host) you don't install -guest- packages [10:26] but in your 12.04 install _inside_ the VM you _do_ [10:26] make sense? [10:28] yeah, sort of, but there is a confusing package linkage that got me [10:28] anyway, "no bootable medium found" is the latest issue [10:28] I've tried it on IDE primary and secondary master, maybe it doesn't like the image being on a NAS? [10:29] image? [10:29] ISO image [10:30] I'm copying it to my home dir to try again [10:30] dont think it cares where it is, so long as it's accessible [10:30] well I can read it, but VB can't ;) [10:33] nope, won't load from home dir either [10:34] maybe the ISO is corrupt . . . [10:34] which iso did you grab? [10:34] I'll test here [10:35] hold on, I'll check teh md5sum [10:35] looks good to me [10:35] its' the Xubuntu desktop [10:36] but I haven't used VB for a while, so I might have got something wrong [10:37] aha! [10:37] yep, my fault, I had the CD disabled! [10:40] hmmm, refuses to run live CD, complaining about missing pae, whatever that is [10:42] also, wants me to select 32 bit graphics, but I can't find the option [10:43] now a "critical error" from VB . .. [10:46] yep, it insists on pae, but fails if I enable it, giving up! [10:47] hah [10:48] well over the years I've acquired a good sense of when to surrender ;) [10:48] I'm a bit of an old hand with Debian/Ubuntu [11:10] good morning everyone. [11:11] Morning brobostigon [11:11] morning DJones [11:12] brobostigon: You might just be the person I want to speak to, do you use bitlbee? [11:12] DJones: i do, yes. [11:13] I've just been playing around getting it working for chat accounts, I can get gtalk working fine, but msn fails at getting the buddy list, have you had that problem? [11:14] DJones: yes, the normal bitlbee failed there here aswell, untill i used bitlbee-libpurple, which uses libpurple insted of bitlbee's own protocol stack, msn works with that. [11:14] is that in the repo's? or do you have to compile it manually? [11:15] DJones: i use bitlbee ppa here, and it is in there. [11:15] !info bitlbee-libpurple [11:15] bitlbee-libpurple (source: bitlbee): An IRC to other chat networks gateway (using libpurple). In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0.3-1ubuntu0.1 (oneiric), package size 119 kB, installed size 288 kB [11:15] Found it anyway [11:15] ok, it is in the repos. [11:16] DJones: you may have to readd or change some of the account parameters, i had to, some of the account details dont follow over properly. between one and the other. [11:17] I'd deleted the account anyway, just readding and testing again [11:18] ok. [11:18] It authenticated, but still fails at the buddy list [11:19] DJones: i dont know then, i would maybe try the version in their ppa, as that work here, and is alittle newer. [11:20] brobostigon: Thats the one I'm using, maybe need to completely stop & restart bitlbee [11:20] DJones: that is what i did, yes. [11:21] brobostigon: How do you quit bitlbee without quitting irssi? [11:21] DJones: i killed the channel, and the /disconnect from the network name, you connected to. [11:22] http://imgur.com/a/7GyVH#0 green snotrocket! ftw [11:22] Gary: Why is that headed up "MX5 sport black" when its green ? [11:22] brobostigon: Thanks [11:22] DJones: :) [11:23] Yay! Ubuntu Unleashed 2012 has arrived. [11:23] DJones: because it's a green sport black edition mx5 [11:23] green sport black yellow red edition? [11:23] Right..... :) [11:23] I don't query mazda's naming, I just bought the thing :p [11:24] they did em in red and white too, but not black! [11:24] (there is a lot of black trim though) [11:26] DJones: also, i am using the pidgin ppa, so i also have the latest version of libpurple, for it to use, which may help also. [11:37] anyone know if webdav sucks? looking for a backup solution that doesn't require me to input a password (so i can automate) but isn't just cp -r * /path/to/samba/share [11:38] ssh with a key? [11:38] webdav is... complicated [11:38] i backup the other way round, run backup on server that pulls from laptop/desktop [11:38] and that uses ssh keys [11:40] hey that is a point, ssh with a key should work [11:40] the real question is why was dejadup asking me for a key [11:40] password* [11:41] gord I run a bash script on my little server that wakes up the machines around the house and backs up from one to another - no passwords all done using ssh keys and rsync. [11:42] grumble dejadup backs up stupid stuff [11:42] really don't need it to back up my browser cache [11:43] popey, to answer your question from earlier, dns is still resolving to old ip for podcast.xxxxx etc of 213 and not the new one on Virgin here atm [11:44] diplo: yeah, taking an age [11:44] not sure when you made the change but it's not propagated yet [11:44] :) [11:44] Not sure if you saw my Q earlier, what web server do you run on your vps ? [11:44] Do you have the default 480mb ? [11:51] diplo: mine has 128mb [11:51] oh right :) [11:53] do you run apache ? Was going to try and find out myself but as i can't resolve the sites i couldnt check [11:53] :P [12:06] diplo: no, i use lighttpd [12:08] gord: i tried using webdav feature supplied by box.net and it sucked royally [12:09] i gave up my rsync because it didn't seem to actually do anything. wondering if thats box.net or webdav's fault [12:13] cheers popey [12:22] \o/ coffee machine [12:31] morningish all [12:36] davmor2: Afternoon [12:50] Choooo choo [13:19] ugh i always regret eating a pasty about 5 seconds after finishing [13:19] same [13:20] * popey cuddles Gary [13:20] I just had most of a large dominos pizza for lunch, i'll probably feel ill in about 30 min [13:20] hey popey you sexy beast [13:21] wondering whether to wash down with crisps or straight to the batternberg [13:21] beer for washing down [13:41] what's the proper name for sysadmins law? (no changes after lunch on a friday) [13:41] poets day? [13:41] oh, no, that's way more general and just about going home early [13:43] this guy wants to name it after himself (2nd law) http://barry.warsaw.us/software/laws.html [13:43] looks like it's there for the taking [13:49] no changes when I'm drunk law? [13:53] jpds: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/921657 [13:53] Ubuntu bug 921657 in software-center (Ubuntu) "permissions issue accessing deb lines" [Undecided,New] [14:20] morning all [14:20] morning? [14:21] I just woke up so it is morning [14:22] Hello AlanBell How are you? [14:23] Dodgy pint? Or dodgy chicken kebab [14:24] nice logic [14:25] whatever it was my body decided to make sure it wss all gone every 20 minutes to 6:30 [14:25] Oh dear. [14:26] i am in london. [14:27] hehe [14:27] condolances [14:27] not for long though [14:34] AlanBell: oh dear, I hope it doesn't put you off future drinks and kebabs [14:34] Something to be said for working for yourself [14:36] * popey waits for his neighbour to come home [14:36] UPS dropped my laptop off to neigbour [14:37] So you're waiting on their doorstep and are chatting via your phone [14:38] Have you considered breaking a window? [14:38] hah, no, i have one eye on the road to see when he gets back [14:38] yes [14:38] Haha [14:38] they already have one [14:39] tonytiger: how far north would you be willing to travel for a wedding shoot? [14:39] And are you available Autumn 2013? [14:40] * bigcalm ponders a twitter fall at his wedding reception [14:41] i can do your wedding photos [14:41] with a 3ds? [14:41] my nexus camera is fine right? [14:41] or the 3ds [14:41] then its in 3d! [14:42] or the 3ds + nexus camera taped on, 4d! [14:42] Ha [14:42] Oh dear [14:42] i took my old ds to my brothers wedding, they wern't happy about that [14:43] Wonder why [14:43] would be fun to have an end of level tone play when the 'you may kiss the bride' bit comes up [14:43] I did the pics for my brothers wedding, and have got a better camera since then too [14:44] bigcalm: where? [14:44] Shropshire [14:44] popey: oggcamp can't clash, please ensure [14:45] bigcalm: eek, at least 3 hours away, 215 miles [14:45] popey: or a level up tone [14:46] Gary: yet, not everything happens down sauf :P [14:46] I ain't that southern [14:46] innit [14:47] bigcalm: tricky given I don't know when your wedding is [14:47] drowning music from sonic would be more interesting [14:47] popey: autumn 2013 :P [14:47] * seeker needs a wedding photographer [14:47] BE MORE SPECIFIC [14:47] seeker: meet tonytiger [14:47] http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/weddings/ [14:49] Shiny [14:50] "grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat" [14:50] http://xi3.org/ [14:51] * seeker will pass link on to someone that is allowed to make decisions about said wedding [14:52] Heh [14:52] seeker: know the feeling :P [14:53] :) [14:54] popey: Any idea who makes the GPU in that? [14:55] no [14:55] that link is all i know [14:55] any perticuler recommendarion for an anti-virus/general security app, for android? [14:56] I wouldn't bother [14:56] why? [14:56] i have pray, already. [14:57] why have one? [14:57] or why i shouldnt? [14:58] thr immediate disadvanteges that come to mind are, use of ram and cpu, so, ie , not leaving as much for the other things i ant to run. [14:59] brobostigon: I have a rock you can buy which keeps away tigers [14:59] seeker: haha. [14:59] popey: Hmm, similar price to a mac mini [14:59] also increases the wake time, so, ie, get higher battery drain. [15:00] I'm trying to get to "why have one" [15:00] not "why not have one" [15:01] android targetted virii/malware etc. [15:02] is there a real problem with that? [15:03] depends on who i talk to, and what i read. [15:03] seeker: apparently horse chestnuts keep spider away [15:03] brobostigon: are you frequenting the chinese 3rd party wallpaper app markets much? [15:03] oimon: no. [15:03] i install 1 new app a month if that. and usually used by 500,000 others [15:04] not everyone is me though, i admit [15:04] oimon: yes, i take sensible precautions, of research like that, also. [15:05] ok, i get the impression, having just prey, is going to be enough. [15:13] brobostigon: google are scanning apps now too. tbh i thought they already were [15:14] oimon: that was my though also, [15:26] sat down again with 4 DEs last night, trying to decide what to use in 12.04 [15:28] i thought that gnome shell with extensions would supply my needs but the title bars etc are enormous [15:29] and the extensions are a bit glitchy [15:30] i might end up settling for unity with docky, minus global menu, buttons on right and 10 seconds reveal on launcher(i.e. hidden) [15:31] or XFCE :D [15:33] oimon, My friends have horse chestnuts outside there front and back door, they reckon it's worked really well [15:34] First time they have done it this year [15:34] Some sort of odour or something they give off from memory ( Could be completely wrong! ) [15:34] although we have had low spider count this year [15:35] Since my wife left me I've had 2! [15:35] When my wife lived with me, maybe 50-100 a year [15:35] :D [15:35] correlation vs causation, i like it [15:35] heh [15:36] i also find that argent nit is a great homeopathic remedy for allergic conjuctivitis..liberal twitter users hate me for it [15:36] We had some huge ones, one that was bigger than the light switch it was walking past, it was so heavy/big that when it hit the floor because it was so heavy it made a huge *thud* [15:36] * oimon pukes a bit [15:37] I don't like spiders but not to worried, but when she screamed with that one i thought not again, but when i got downstairs i was actually taken aback by it's size [15:37] my normal pint glass catching tool wasn't big enough [15:37] Had to get a pyrex bowl [15:37] Got some photos somewhere, I was proud! [15:37] :P [15:37] i'd have run away [15:37] sold the house or something [15:37] It was close! [15:38] sur eit was a spider and not a small dog with mutant legs? [15:38] I do reckon some of the spider issues are down to me keeping the house a lot tidier and cooler now [15:38] * diplo looks for photo a mo [15:38] i'd have charged rent [15:41] diplo: Camel Spider -> http://www.camelspiders.net/large-camel-spider.jpg I'd be tempted to move house [15:41] hello out there. have anyone experience in Empathy. I want to use it as an IM-client. [15:41] don't click it [15:43] http://ubuntuone.com/2JLrfWsIfC0vAePtdjlNkf [15:43] oimon: "click it" Hit the bugger with large sledgehammer more like :) [15:44] http://ubuntuone.com/6Uy7bap0Hc2tFB6oPpcNKm [15:44] not the best photos [15:44] Got some others at home [15:44] It was it's leg span, I have a photo somewhere of it and it's legs were above and below the light switch [15:48] That's evil [15:48]