| mydogsnameisrudy | is there a way to turn on number lines in vim | 00:10 |
|---|---|---|
| greg-g | Q: Is there a way to $Do_Something in vim? A: Yes. | 00:12 |
| mydogsnameisrudy | just a noob ? | 00:12 |
| Blazeix | mydogsnameisrudy: :set nu | 00:12 |
| mydogsnameisrudy | thx | 00:12 |
| Blazeix | :set nonu to turn it off | 00:12 |
| mydogsnameisrudy | ok so it has to be set every time | 00:13 |
| Blazeix | mydogsnameisrudy: put it a file called ~/.vimrc in your home directory | 00:14 |
| mydogsnameisrudy | ah got it thx again | 00:19 |
| tjagoda | I bet rick_h's .vimrc is like 300 lines long | 00:24 |
| rick_h | https://github.com/mitechie/pyvim/blob/master/.vimrc 612 with comments | 00:24 |
| mydogsnameisrudy | mine had 1 line ;) | 00:24 |
| tjagoda | It has dependencies?! | 00:25 |
| rick_h | but of course! | 00:25 |
| mydogsnameisrudy | ah hmmm i much to learn... | 00:26 |
| Blazeix | tjagoda: you're stepping into a whole new world. hang on... | 00:26 |
| tjagoda | rick_h has not yet moved out of github and into launchpad! | 00:27 |
| rick_h | heh, I still <3 git | 00:30 |
| rick_h | I'm not sold on this bzr stuff | 00:30 |
| rick_h | ugh | 00:30 |
| rick_h | besides, I've got 41 watchers of my pyvim repo :) | 00:31 |
| tjagoda | lol | 00:32 |
| tjagoda | My launchpad participation is sporadic, as my extra free time comes and goes | 00:32 |
| jrwren | git > bzr | 01:17 |
| jrwren | want evidence? | 01:17 |
| jrwren | checking a 1GB file. | 01:18 |
| jrwren | then say ooops. | 01:18 |
| jrwren | and you want to delete it from history. | 01:18 |
| jrwren | git can | 01:18 |
| jrwren | bzr can't | 01:18 |
| rick_h | heh | 01:18 |
| rick_h | yea, I'm fighting with people sworn to bzr "it's so user friendly..." | 01:18 |
| rick_h | *sigh* | 01:18 |
| rick_h | hate to break it to you, the best tools are never the user friendly ones, that's why they're user friendly | 01:19 |
| jrwren | right. | 01:19 |
| jrwren | and sure... its user friendly, i fyou are used to cvs or svn. | 01:19 |
| jrwren | but its NOT user friendly when you have painted yourself into a corner and are stuck. | 01:19 |
| jrwren | git is more difficult at first becuase its putting you on the path to success. | 01:19 |
| rick_h | yep, and "it's almost as fast as git" if you do 4 different things that aren't defaults to make things quicker | 01:19 |
| rick_h | default bzr is still slow as @#$#@$ | 01:20 |
| jrwren | and if you do paint yourself into a corner with git, it is easy to get out. that is not really true of bzr | 01:20 |
| jrwren | yup. | 01:20 |
| jrwren | speed matters. | 01:20 |
| jrwren | i used bzr for a couple years. | 01:20 |
| jrwren | then hg for a couple years | 01:20 |
| jrwren | and now git :) | 01:20 |
| jrwren | so I htink I can speak to them all reasonable well. | 01:20 |
| rick_h | yea, same here, except I've got this 4th step of back to bzr | 01:20 |
| jrwren | i used to be one of those "its easier" guys | 01:21 |
| jrwren | and I'll be first to admit, I was wrong | 01:21 |
| rick_h | bzr->hg->git-> aw crap really? bzr | 01:21 |
| jrwren | yar, that sucks. | 01:21 |
| rick_h | heh yea, I remember when I was saying "man, git seems like a fanboi movement, like django or rails" | 01:21 |
| jrwren | yup. | 01:23 |
| snap-l | Heh, I remember that phase | 01:49 |
| snap-l | and now I'm a git fanboi | 01:49 |
| rick_h | snap-l: welcome to the club :) | 02:02 |
| tjagoda | So | 02:03 |
| rick_h | So party! | 02:03 |
| tjagoda | How long before Rick_H single handedly rips Bzr from launchpad and replaces it with git | 02:03 |
| rick_h | tjagoda: hehe, that's *never* going to happen. LP and bzr go together like Linux and gcc | 02:03 |
| tjagoda | Typing on the new keyboard is very satisfying | 02:36 |
| tjagoda | I enjoy its solid metal construction. | 02:36 |
| rick_h | tjagoda: there you go, now you have a solid weapon if someone comes after you :) | 03:23 |
| tjagoda | Keyboard AND home defense weapon. | 03:31 |
| Blazeix | reminds me of the cell phone with crime deterrent http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgoVrAR3YOo | 03:38 |
| snap-l | Interview with Severed Fifth uploading | 03:41 |
| tjagoda | OMG | 03:48 |
| tjagoda | Crime deterrent | 03:48 |
| snap-l | http://openmetalcast.com/2012/02/02/open-metalcast-special-interview-episode-severed-fifth-liberate/ | 04:24 |
| rick_h | morning, yay friday | 11:44 |
| mydogsnameisrudy | morning .. | 11:44 |
| snap-l | Gooooood morning | 11:49 |
| mydogsnameisrudy | my old brain is in pain.. heh | 11:50 |
| rick_h | snap-l: interview stuff all go well? | 12:54 |
| Wolfger | Friday! \o/ | 13:07 |
| tjagoda | Ahoy | 13:12 |
| Wolfger | yarr | 13:12 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Yeah, it was a really good interview | 13:44 |
| snap-l | If anyone wants to give some reddit love to the interview... ;) | 13:44 |
| rick_h | linky? | 13:45 |
| snap-l | One sec | 13:45 |
| brousch | i think the sum total of everything i've done on reddit is up-vote 3 of snap-l's posts | 13:47 |
| snap-l | http://www.reddit.com/r/Metal/comments/p983q/severed_fifth_liberate_releases_today_open/ | 13:48 |
| snap-l | Heh | 13:48 |
| tjagoda | EDI makes me hate life. | 13:55 |
| tjagoda | I love how the entire Auto Industry disregards AIAG standards despite the fact that they had major input in creating them in the first place. | 13:56 |
| tjagoda | FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU AIAG! | 13:56 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: You should know by now that any time the industry creates a standard, it's mostly to get folks off their back so they can get back to doing what they want to be doing | 13:57 |
| snap-l | "Here, here's a standards group. Now go play in a freeway while I get shit done" | 13:58 |
| brousch | i will change my name to this symbol, kind of like the artist formerly known as prince did http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f4a9/index.htm | 14:02 |
| mydogsnameisrudy | u"\U0001F4A9" | 14:03 |
| snap-l | brousch: I'm totally stealing that and putting it on plus. :) | 14:03 |
| tjagoda | I do not understand this joke, because I do not understand the artist formerly known as prince. =( | 14:04 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: So, when did you first realize you were dead to me? | 14:04 |
| snap-l | brousch: Please change your nick accordingly, and remember to update launchpad. | 14:05 |
| brousch | tjagoda: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_(musician)#The_New_Power_Generation_and_name_change:_1991.E2.80.9394 | 14:05 |
| brousch | 💩 | 14:06 |
| brousch | hm, doesn't work in pidgin yet | 14:06 |
| snap-l | Font doesn't support it | 14:06 |
| snap-l | I think there's only two known fonts that support it | 14:07 |
| brousch | in honor of this i declare it to be a "blasting poo armageddon" day | 14:07 |
| brousch | snap-l: thanks :P | 14:09 |
| brousch | oooh, a python conference in chicago http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/1/prweb8945991.htm | 14:12 |
| brousch | that's 2 hours closer to me than columbus | 14:12 |
| tjagoda | So | 14:14 |
| tjagoda | Whose mailing out brousch's floppy disks? | 14:14 |
| brousch | eh? | 14:15 |
| tjagoda | brousch: the floppy disks full of your font symbol! | 14:42 |
| brousch | ug, it will be nice getting the grpug site off of GAE | 14:47 |
| brousch | too many hacks to make it work right | 14:47 |
| tjagoda | Hope I get my follow up from Canonical today | 14:53 |
| tjagoda | Or I will spend the entire weekend in enraged wonderment | 14:53 |
| brousch | good luck! | 14:55 |
| tjagoda | I'll just have rick call up Matt and demand a timeline | 15:27 |
| tjagoda | I'm sure he's good with that | 15:27 |
| tjagoda | =P | 15:27 |
| jrwren | i hope i get a follow up for a new job too! | 15:27 |
| jrwren | I'd actually be working with linux and python \m/ | 15:27 |
| brousch | whaaaaat? | 15:28 |
| jrwren | i know, the world is gonna end. | 15:28 |
| * brousch smells a troll | 15:28 | |
| jrwren | well, I've been doing objective-c for my day job for a couple months now. No more MSFT | 15:28 |
| krondor | ooh byobu has tmux in 12.04? My new fun thing to play with today. | 15:29 |
| snap-l | Yeah, tmux is quickly replacing screen | 15:29 |
| brousch | jrwren: where is it? | 15:29 |
| jrwren | arbor networks | 15:29 |
| jrwren | i fear the tmux | 15:33 |
| rick_h | jrwren: awesome man, seemed cool when they hosted the python group | 15:33 |
| jrwren | i'm still ctrl-a for everything in byobu, i turn off the F1-F12 bindings. I hope it is easy to do the same in byobu 12.04 | 15:33 |
| jrwren | rick_h: they have a new locaiton, beautiful building down on state street. | 15:34 |
| rick_h | I switched to tmux but mapped ctrl-a as well | 15:34 |
| jrwren | rick_h: and DAMN do they interview... I got awesome deep questions. | 15:34 |
| rick_h | no byobu | 15:34 |
| rick_h | jrwren: very cool, we'll have to chat about it some time | 15:34 |
| jrwren | rick_h: well, I hope they make me a good offer :) | 15:34 |
| rick_h | I was blown away by a position with them once I was thinking of tring to get in for python stuff | 15:34 |
| rick_h | but seems there you do python, c, perl, anything | 15:35 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Oh damn! Congrats! | 15:35 |
| rick_h | jrwren: defintely | 15:35 |
| jrwren | yup, its definitely an EVERYTHING job | 15:35 |
| jrwren | but I look forward to getting great at python... instead of being python nub | 15:35 |
| jrwren | rick_h: tcl too! | 15:35 |
| rick_h | jrwren: hah, awesome | 15:35 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Well, I guess I'd better ask you if we can use SRT for the Global Jam in March. :) | 15:35 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Oh God, not TCL | 15:35 |
| jrwren | snap-l: i'm sure that will still be fine. I'm not gonna burn any bridges here. | 15:35 |
| jrwren | <3 SRT | 15:35 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Whom do I need to put a bug in the ear? | 15:36 |
| jrwren | i can be your point of contact | 15:36 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Ok, awesome | 15:36 |
| jrwren | but tell me the date so I can save it on my calendar and be here. | 15:36 |
| snap-l | Haven't decided for sure, but thinking it'll be on the 3rd of March | 15:36 |
| snap-l | Afternoon, like last time | 15:36 |
| snap-l | hopefully not a home game, like last time. ;) | 15:37 |
| jrwren | that isn't football season. | 15:37 |
| jrwren | maybe march madness :) | 15:38 |
| krondor | ctrl bindings have some issues for me in things like miniterm.py / minicom. Fx bindings are welcome. | 15:38 |
| snap-l | jrwren: heh | 15:38 |
| jrwren | i ctrl-a, a like a pro | 15:38 |
| snap-l | krondor: You're still using minicom? | 15:38 |
| snap-l | God, haven't fired that up in years | 15:38 |
| snap-l | but yeah, serial ports, embedded hardware. | 15:38 |
| jrwren | to talk to network equipment via serial I assume? | 15:38 |
| snap-l | yeah | 15:39 |
| snap-l | Just thought he'd use Kermit like everyone else. ;) | 15:39 |
| * snap-l hated Kermit | 15:39 | |
| krondor | jrwren++ | 15:39 |
| snap-l | it besmirched the good name of Kermits everywhere | 15:39 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Please let me know if there's a conflict, otherwise will plan around SRT being available. | 15:40 |
| snap-l | Wow, Pycon has 1500 attendees | 15:45 |
| tjagoda | Remove attendees | 15:47 |
| rick_h | yea, going to be epic | 15:47 |
| tjagoda | replace with fanboys | 15:47 |
| tjagoda | =p | 15:47 |
| jrwren | that is huge. | 15:50 |
| rick_h | yea, first time they've sold out like this | 15:50 |
| rick_h | came close last year, but think it was something like 1300 people | 15:51 |
| Wolfger | yikes | 15:52 |
| Wolfger | that's a lot of Pythonistas | 15:52 |
| snap-l | Figures, the one year that I'd like to get work to pay for it, they sell out. :) | 15:52 |
| rick_h | many a line of code written in that 1.5wk | 15:52 |
| snap-l | Wonder if there's an official metric of how much code gets generated in that time | 15:53 |
| rick_h | it's funny to think about. I was going "yea, but only a few hundred will stay behind for sprints" | 15:55 |
| rick_h | but that's the size of pyohio + | 15:55 |
| snap-l | Yeah, exactly | 15:55 |
| snap-l | PyOhio sprints were about 10% of that | 15:55 |
| snap-l | if that | 15:55 |
| rick_h | ok, time to hit the coffee shop, need a chance of scenery | 15:55 |
| snap-l | chance of scenery? :) | 15:56 |
| snap-l | Lovely landscapes? | 15:56 |
| brousch | no chance of that today | 15:56 |
| tjagoda | Its chance because he rolls dice to pick which coffee shop he goes to | 15:56 |
| snap-l | Caribou | 15:57 |
| snap-l | Just down the street from him | 15:57 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: We have to get you on the Python bandwagon | 15:57 |
| snap-l | At least get you out to PyOhio | 15:57 |
| tjagoda | The closest coffee shop from my house is a Tim Hortons | 15:58 |
| tjagoda | 15 mintues | 15:58 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: Nothing wrong wtih that. | 15:58 |
| Blazeix | ugh, Tim Hortons are disgusting. at least the ones in farmington hills | 16:00 |
| Blazeix | they feel like a dingy mcdonalds | 16:00 |
| snap-l | Blazeix: The closer to the mothership (Canada) the better they are | 16:01 |
| snap-l | but yeah, the ones by us are pretty dreadfu | 16:01 |
| tjagoda | Americans do not understand Timmies. | 16:03 |
| rick_h | tjagoda: yea, caribou .5mi away | 16:05 |
| rick_h | I should walk up here and when it's warmer I bike up here | 16:06 |
| rick_h | Blazeix: exactly, I hear of these mythical great Tim Hortons, but it sure seems to me I'd be better off at a dunkin donuts in a gas station somewhere en route to Dallas TX | 16:06 |
| * snap-l makes a note to take rick_h to a proper Timmies | 16:07 | |
| brousch | our tim hortons is very nice, but the food is bland | 16:07 |
| * rick_h gets his passport ready since that seems the only way to experience this magical experience | 16:07 | |
| snap-l | heh | 16:07 |
| snap-l | Port Huron | 16:07 |
| snap-l | Just by the bridge | 16:07 |
| brousch | rick_h: we ate at a decent tim hortons in columbus at pyohio | 16:08 |
| rick_h | brousch: yea, I think the thing is that the fans have talked it up so much the donuts would have to be served by chocolate unicorns to keep up | 16:08 |
| snap-l | We'll take JoDee there, since she likes to look at greighters | 16:08 |
| snap-l | freighters, rather | 16:08 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Yeah, we need to lower your expectations | 16:09 |
| jrwren | Blazeix: ++ Tim Hortons IS the mcdonalds of canada | 16:09 |
| snap-l | They're good, but not chocolate unicorns shitting glitter good | 16:09 |
| tjagoda | More Tim Hortons than starbucks in Canada | 16:09 |
| brousch | the onuts are good, but my tim hortons is 1/3 mile away from the best apple fritters in west michigan | 16:09 |
| tjagoda | But also a ludicrous number of McDonalds in Canada | 16:09 |
| snap-l | brousch: HAppy Yum Yum Fun Time Donuts and Chinese Food? | 16:10 |
| brousch | marge's donut den | 16:10 |
| snap-l | I'm surprised | 16:10 |
| rick_h | heh | 16:10 |
| brousch | http://www.margesdonutden.com/ | 16:11 |
| snap-l | That's funny, she doesn't look asian. :) | 16:11 |
| brousch | little hole in the wall that's been there since before i was born | 16:11 |
| snap-l | Ah, OK | 16:11 |
| brousch | coffee sucks though | 16:12 |
| snap-l | I'm sure it's been brewing since before you were born too | 16:12 |
| brousch | i wouldn't doubt it | 16:12 |
| snap-l | West MI has no idea how to make a decent cup of coffee | 16:12 |
| brousch | there was one place, but it went out of business | 16:13 |
| rick_h | what?! coffee not selling? | 16:13 |
| rick_h | must have been a business challenged person | 16:13 |
| brousch | i think so | 16:13 |
| rick_h | seems like every places is trying to sell coffee and doing it these days | 16:13 |
| brousch | it was open 24 hours, but was so dead between midnight and 7am that i would walk in on the owner sleeping on the couch | 16:14 |
| snap-l | rick_h: That's because it keeps people in the store longer | 16:14 |
| brousch | they needed a drive-thru | 16:14 |
| snap-l | Yeah, some Biggby locations have drive-thru | 16:14 |
| rick_h | drive-thru ftw, it's how I meet my caribou quota | 16:15 |
| snap-l | Handy, save for when you're working from home, and the place is closed when you try the drive-thru | 16:15 |
| brousch | my biggby has a drive-thru | 16:16 |
| brousch | mostly why i go there | 16:16 |
| snap-l | I like Biggby coffee too | 16:17 |
| snap-l | the one on John R is a bitch to get in and out of, though | 16:17 |
| snap-l | Had two of them by us in Macomb | 16:18 |
| snap-l | Something tells me I'm never getting the vacation pay from $LASTJOB. | 16:19 |
| snap-l | since it was supposed to be "end of month" | 16:19 |
| _stink_ | >:| | 16:19 |
| snap-l | which was in January | 16:19 |
| snap-l | However, since I left, their stock is going up | 16:20 |
| rick_h | hmmm, that's not promising | 16:20 |
| snap-l | Just call me the lead weight. ;) | 16:20 |
| Wolfger | Damn. When I leave companies, they go out of business | 16:21 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: You're never leaving Chrysler, then. The government will see to that. ;) | 16:21 |
| tjagoda | lol | 16:26 |
| rick_h | my new hero: http://codeslinger.posterous.com/if-youre-using-nodejs-youre-doing-life-wrong | 16:37 |
| rick_h | says the guy that's written node code a few times | 16:37 |
| tjagoda | lol | 16:44 |
| Blazeix | how is yui on nodejs? does it fix a few of those issues? | 17:23 |
| rick_h | some I guess, since you're using YUI modules you get some namespacing | 17:25 |
| rick_h | doens't do anything for V8, callback fun, etc | 17:25 |
| Blazeix | if you're doing the mvc stuff, i'd think that would fix some of the callback chains | 17:27 |
| Blazeix | since you have a more eventy model | 17:27 |
| rick_h | yea, but that's just the logic part. You've still got to get the routing/request processing and response setup done | 17:28 |
| Blazeix | going to lunch, but this is an interesting discussion... | 17:28 |
| rick_h | node.js is really pretty bare bones, now you end up stacking a framework on top like anything else | 17:28 |
| rick_h | yea, have fun at lunch | 17:29 |
| rick_h | *sigh* bzr, I want to believe...but quit sucking!!!! | 18:25 |
| snap-l | heh | 18:26 |
| * Wolfger gets rick_h one of those X-Files "I want to believe" posters | 18:26 | |
| Wolfger | how many years (months?) til you convert LP to Git or quit in disgust? | 18:27 |
| rick_h | hah, there you go | 18:27 |
| rick_h | I've just got to make it until the end of the year and I'll get something different with a diferent stack of tools (though still not git in all likelyhood) | 18:27 |
| rick_h | dammit, why does a bzr push take *minute(s)* at 400kB/s? | 18:28 |
| Wolfger | because awesomeness takes its time? | 18:29 |
| Wolfger | It's cool, like The Fonz. Nobody ever rushes The Fonz. | 18:29 |
| brousch | Wolfger++ | 18:31 |
| rick_h | dammit bzr, why are you trying to f@#$#ing upload 202MB of data? and dying at that point, which means it wants to upload more | 18:43 |
| brousch | your code sure is bloated | 18:43 |
| brousch | you including the Eclipse executable in there? | 18:44 |
| rick_h | doh, you're not supposed to see that | 18:45 |
| rick_h | and all my java stack since it's a build requirement now | 18:45 |
| jrwren | wtf? | 18:50 |
| * jrwren stops using canonical software | 18:50 | |
| jrwren | tehy cannot be trusted | 18:51 |
| rick_h | :) | 18:51 |
| rick_h | heh, there we go. Had to make a new branch off of dev, merge the branch that was having push issues, and then push from the new branch | 18:52 |
| rick_h | finally | 18:52 |
| Wolfger | see? You were just using it wrong. :-) | 19:09 |
| rick_h | ummm yea, that's it | 19:09 |
| Wolfger | lol | 19:09 |
| brousch | you're pushing it wrong. try using the other hand | 19:10 |
| rick_h | ah, needed the *other* bzr push command | 19:10 |
| snap-l | Anyone got a link to the CoC? Keep this up, and I'll need to smack myself with it | 19:11 |
| rick_h | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6206556/running-scripts-within-pyramid-framework-ie-without-a-server | 19:15 |
| * rick_h goes off to cry in a corner | 19:15 | |
| tjagoda | No emails yet from canonical | 19:16 |
| tjagoda | As Darth Vader would say | 19:16 |
| tjagoda | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | 19:17 |
| snap-l | rick_h: There there, it's not a completely stupid question | 19:18 |
| snap-l | and remember, there's no stupid questions, only stupid people. | 19:18 |
| rick_h | snap-l: I can't help but read that and hear in my head "So, I've built this thin on top of a web framework that accepts a 'request" parameter and I do stuff with it...now how to I NOT use that on a web server but from something like cron...you know...totally different?" | 19:18 |
| brousch | it has the kernel of a good question | 19:18 |
| brousch | how to use the same database and settings from my pyramid app in a cron job | 19:19 |
| rick_h | an no one in there goes "dude, wtf...break apart the code that does the cron part and import it into your web app and your cron script...done" | 19:19 |
| rick_h | they're all full of firing off little mini wsgi servers and firing off a request to it | 19:19 |
| snap-l | rick_h: eah, but the kernel of the question is "Look, I already set up all this stuff to interface with stuff. I don't want to decouple that and have to duplicate effort" | 19:20 |
| snap-l | rick_h: THAT part pisses me off | 19:20 |
| snap-l | if you have to fire up a web server to do automated processes, you're doing it wrong | 19:20 |
| rick_h | right! | 19:21 |
| rick_h | but no one says that in all those answers | 19:21 |
| snap-l | Save for the "It's in Pyramid" | 19:21 |
| rick_h | snap-l: hehe " Build failed in Jenkins: staples_dash #255" | 19:22 |
| rick_h | guess I'm still somewhere | 19:22 |
| snap-l | *cough*useworkemailforwork*cough* | 19:22 |
| snap-l | ;) | 19:23 |
| rick_h | snap-l: uh huh...because work allows for perfect open imap access so I could get it at home in case builds failed didn't it... | 19:23 |
| rick_h | oh right! it's firewalled and blocked off like a mofo that requires vpn :P | 19:23 |
| snap-l | *cough*kerio*cough* | 19:23 |
| brousch | oh man, i have people here who are failing to understand that. damn fools bought android phones and hooked it to their work google account | 19:24 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Also got VPN working pretty well. :) | 19:28 |
| rick_h | snap-l: cool, yea it works pretty well just not great from a phone | 19:32 |
| rick_h | snap-l: I ended up running an smtp relay server off my desktop that was ssh tunnelled through my colo server so I could smtp without the vpn | 19:32 |
| snap-l | Ah, right | 19:33 |
| Wolfger | listening to rick_h's bzr woes, I now have "p-push it real good" stuck in my head | 19:41 |
| brousch | good song | 19:43 |
| rick_h | heh, glad I can help | 19:43 |
| krondor | Trying to play with octopress it is now clear to me I have no clue what I'm doing with ruby. | 19:59 |
| rick_h | heh | 19:59 |
| krondor | seriously I can't even get rvm working on ubuntu (but I am blaming my work proxy on blowing up rvm install so far) | 20:00 |
| krondor | bah this needs more caffeine brb | 20:00 |
| rick_h | I think rbenv is the hot kid on the block now | 20:01 |
| rick_h | just heads up | 20:01 |
| snap-l | Bah | 20:02 |
| jrwren | rvm is pretty damn easy to roll... must be your proxy. | 20:03 |
| jrwren | can you get through it with HTTP_PROXY env var ? | 20:03 |
| snap-l | What does rbenv offer now? Do I just run sudo and let it configure itself automagically? | 20:03 |
| jrwren | you shouldn't sudo at all. | 20:04 |
| jrwren | the whole point is that it is a non system environment | 20:04 |
| brousch | like virtualenv, right? | 20:04 |
| rick_h | yea | 20:04 |
| snap-l | jrwren: That's my biggest beef with the ruby community | 20:04 |
| rick_h | snap-l: you're thinking node :P | 20:04 |
| snap-l | rick_h: pfft | 20:05 |
| jrwren | they don't care about wasting disk space... they just want to get shit done. | 20:05 |
| snap-l | jrwren: "Just download this unprotected script from github, and let us do the heavy lifting" | 20:05 |
| jrwren | :) | 20:05 |
| snap-l | After which you install half-of-the-fucking-net just to make something work | 20:06 |
| brousch | is there no cheeseshop for ruby? | 20:06 |
| rick_h | sure, rubygems.org or net or something | 20:06 |
| rick_h | but if you think getting python packages, keeping up to date, etc is a pain...gems are 5x worse | 20:06 |
| jrwren | that has not been my experience. | 20:07 |
| jrwren | bundler makes it damn easy, and you can install the gem per project instead of per system. | 20:07 |
| rick_h | really? my experience has been that people are much more likely to want you to just pull from github than to do tested releases | 20:07 |
| jrwren | yes, that is true | 20:08 |
| brousch | maybe the github is tested | 20:08 |
| jrwren | but the tools are built to make doing that VERY easy and without impacting cross project | 20:08 |
| brousch | all of the ruby people i know are test crazy | 20:08 |
| rick_h | Oh no doubt on installing per project and such. I just mean that the state of gems and sites like ruby gems are much less likely to be up to date/greatest vs pypi | 20:08 |
| jrwren | gem install blah is the latest IME. | 20:08 |
| jrwren | IIRC there are ways you can point gem to github | 20:09 |
| rick_h | yea, a lot like pip in that way | 20:09 |
| jrwren | so its the same as cpan or whatever else. | 20:09 |
| rick_h | rgr | 20:09 |
| snap-l | bundler is OK | 20:09 |
| snap-l | it's just different enough to make things interesting | 20:09 |
| krondor | I'm back and caffeinated but now I've decided my time wouldn't be wasted trying this at home w/ no proxy. | 20:17 |
| krondor | woops didn't mean for that to be a notice :| | 20:17 |
| rick_h | whoa, plugged my mifi into my desktop to charge and network manager in precise tried to turn it into a wired net connection | 20:17 |
| * rick_h wonders if that'd work hmmm | 20:17 | |
| krondor | I expect it would depending on the mifi. | 20:18 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Whenever I plugged in my iPhone, Ubuntu was all set to turn it into a connection | 20:30 |
| snap-l | Of course I didn't have tethering set up | 20:30 |
| krondor | yeah I've done it with my droids with usb tethering on it and it always just worked on ubuntu and opensuse. | 20:37 |
| rick_h | yea, just found it strange since hte mifi is wifi only that charging it would pick it up as a device like that | 20:37 |
| brousch | hm, did google just screw all of you galaxy nexus owners? http://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/03/google-no-longer-considers-verizons-lte-galaxy-nexus-to-be-a-developer-phone/ | 20:39 |
| krondor | I haven't really used a mifi much, but it wouldn't surprise me if its internals weren't that far off from android phones (linux core) | 20:40 |
| rick_h | brousch: don't make me cry please...wtf | 20:40 |
| krondor | I'm thinking fallout from vzw's meddling with google wallet support | 20:41 |
| rick_h | come on, if that mean I will not get future android updates from google wtf! | 20:42 |
| krondor | sucks, but I have no doubts the community support will remain strong | 20:42 |
| rick_h | it was the whole point for getting this phone | 20:42 |
| rick_h | right, but I got this phone so I could get updated android without cyanogen and crap | 20:42 |
| krondor | rick_h: I doubt you'd get cut out of updates, but maybe updates would need vzw blessing first so added time | 20:43 |
| krondor | still sucks | 20:43 |
| rick_h | well that was always assumed, but if it's not a dev phone... | 20:43 |
| * rick_h goes off to get really fired up before going to his vzw store again to find out why calls aren't going throgh to his phone... | 20:43 | |
| brousch | looks like i sit on the droid for a while longer to see how this shakes out | 20:43 |
| krondor | woot time to go home and try ruby again | 20:44 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Oh man | 20:46 |
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