[00:10] <mydogsnameisrudy> is there a way to turn on number lines in vim
[00:12] <greg-g> Q: Is there a way to $Do_Something in vim? A: Yes.
[00:12] <mydogsnameisrudy> just a noob ?
[00:12] <Blazeix> mydogsnameisrudy: :set nu
[00:12] <mydogsnameisrudy> thx
[00:12] <Blazeix> :set nonu to turn it off
[00:13] <mydogsnameisrudy> ok so it has to be set every time
[00:14] <Blazeix> mydogsnameisrudy: put it a file called ~/.vimrc in your home directory
[00:19] <mydogsnameisrudy> ah got it thx again
[00:24] <tjagoda> I bet rick_h's .vimrc is like 300 lines long
[00:24] <rick_h> https://github.com/mitechie/pyvim/blob/master/.vimrc 612 with comments
[00:24] <mydogsnameisrudy> mine had 1 line ;)
[00:25] <tjagoda> It has dependencies?!
[00:25] <rick_h> but of course!
[00:26] <mydogsnameisrudy> ah hmmm i much to learn...
[00:26] <Blazeix> tjagoda: you're stepping into a whole new world. hang on...
[00:27] <tjagoda> rick_h has not yet moved out of github and into launchpad!
[00:30] <rick_h> heh, I still <3 git
[00:30] <rick_h> I'm not sold on this bzr stuff
[00:30] <rick_h> ugh
[00:31] <rick_h> besides, I've got 41 watchers of my pyvim repo :)
[00:32] <tjagoda> lol
[00:32] <tjagoda> My launchpad participation is sporadic, as my extra free time comes and goes
[01:17] <jrwren> git > bzr
[01:17] <jrwren> want evidence?
[01:18] <jrwren> checking a 1GB file.
[01:18] <jrwren> then say ooops.
[01:18] <jrwren> and you want to delete it from history.
[01:18] <jrwren> git can
[01:18] <jrwren> bzr can't
[01:18] <rick_h> heh
[01:18] <rick_h> yea, I'm fighting with people sworn to bzr "it's so user friendly..."
[01:18] <rick_h> *sigh*
[01:19] <rick_h> hate to break it to you, the best tools are never the user friendly ones, that's why they're user friendly
[01:19] <jrwren> right.
[01:19] <jrwren> and sure... its user friendly, i fyou are used to cvs or svn.
[01:19] <jrwren> but its NOT user friendly when you have painted yourself into a corner and are stuck.
[01:19] <jrwren> git is more difficult at first becuase its putting you on the path to success.
[01:19] <rick_h> yep, and "it's almost as fast as git" if you do 4 different things that aren't defaults to make things quicker
[01:20] <rick_h> default bzr is still slow as @#$#@$
[01:20] <jrwren> and if you do paint yourself into a corner with git, it is easy to get out. that is not really true of bzr
[01:20] <jrwren> yup.
[01:20] <jrwren> speed matters.
[01:20] <jrwren> i used bzr for a couple years.
[01:20] <jrwren> then hg for a couple years
[01:20] <jrwren> and now git :)
[01:20] <jrwren> so I htink I can speak to them all reasonable well.
[01:20] <rick_h> yea, same here, except I've got this 4th step of back to bzr
[01:21] <jrwren> i used to be one of those "its easier" guys
[01:21] <jrwren> and I'll be first to admit, I was wrong
[01:21] <rick_h> bzr->hg->git-> aw crap really? bzr
[01:21] <jrwren> yar, that sucks.
[01:21] <rick_h> heh yea, I remember when I was saying "man, git seems like a fanboi movement, like django or rails"
[01:23] <jrwren> yup.
[01:49] <snap-l> Heh, I  remember that phase
[01:49] <snap-l> and now I'm a git fanboi
[02:02] <rick_h> snap-l: welcome to the club :)
[02:03] <tjagoda> So
[02:03] <rick_h> So party!
[02:03] <tjagoda> How long before Rick_H single handedly rips Bzr from launchpad and replaces it with git
[02:03] <rick_h> tjagoda: hehe, that's *never* going to happen. LP and bzr go together like Linux and gcc
[02:36] <tjagoda> Typing on the new keyboard is very satisfying
[02:36] <tjagoda> I enjoy its solid metal construction.
[03:23] <rick_h> tjagoda: there you go, now you have a solid weapon if someone comes after you :)
[03:31] <tjagoda> Keyboard AND home defense weapon.
[03:38] <Blazeix> reminds me of the cell phone with crime deterrent http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgoVrAR3YOo
[03:41] <snap-l> Interview with Severed Fifth uploading
[03:48] <tjagoda> OMG
[03:48] <tjagoda> Crime deterrent
[04:24] <snap-l> http://openmetalcast.com/2012/02/02/open-metalcast-special-interview-episode-severed-fifth-liberate/
[11:44] <rick_h> morning, yay friday
[11:44] <mydogsnameisrudy> morning ..
[11:49] <snap-l> Gooooood morning
[11:50] <mydogsnameisrudy> my old brain is in pain.. heh
[12:54] <rick_h> snap-l: interview stuff all go well?
[13:07] <Wolfger> Friday! \o/
[13:12] <tjagoda> Ahoy
[13:12] <Wolfger> yarr
[13:44] <snap-l> rick_h: Yeah, it was a really good interview
[13:44] <snap-l> If anyone wants to give some reddit love to the interview... ;)
[13:45] <rick_h> linky?
[13:45] <snap-l> One sec
[13:47] <brousch> i think the sum total of everything i've done on reddit is up-vote 3 of snap-l's posts
[13:48] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/Metal/comments/p983q/severed_fifth_liberate_releases_today_open/
[13:48] <snap-l> Heh
[13:55] <tjagoda> EDI makes me hate life.
[13:56] <tjagoda> I love how the entire Auto Industry disregards AIAG standards despite the fact that they had major input in creating them in the first place.
[13:56] <tjagoda> FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU AIAG!
[13:57] <snap-l> tjagoda: You should know by now that any time the industry creates a standard, it's mostly to get folks off their back so they can get back to doing what they want to be doing
[13:58] <snap-l> "Here, here's a standards group. Now go play in a freeway while I get shit done"
[14:02] <brousch> i will change my name to this symbol, kind of like the artist formerly known as prince did http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f4a9/index.htm
[14:03] <mydogsnameisrudy> u"\U0001F4A9"
[14:03] <snap-l> brousch: I'm totally stealing that and putting it on plus. :)
[14:04] <tjagoda> I do not understand this joke, because I do not understand the artist formerly known as prince. =(
[14:04] <snap-l> tjagoda: So, when did you first realize you were dead to me?
[14:05] <snap-l> brousch: Please change your nick accordingly, and remember to update launchpad.
[14:05] <brousch> tjagoda: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_(musician)#The_New_Power_Generation_and_name_change:_1991.E2.80.9394
[14:06] <brousch> 💩
[14:06] <brousch> hm, doesn't work in pidgin yet
[14:06] <snap-l> Font doesn't support it
[14:07] <snap-l> I think there's only two known fonts that support it
[14:07] <brousch> in honor of this i declare it to be a "blasting poo armageddon" day
[14:09] <brousch> snap-l: thanks :P
[14:12] <brousch> oooh, a python conference in chicago http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/1/prweb8945991.htm
[14:12] <brousch> that's 2 hours closer to me than columbus
[14:14] <tjagoda> So
[14:14] <tjagoda> Whose mailing out brousch's floppy disks?
[14:15] <brousch> eh?
[14:42] <tjagoda> brousch: the floppy disks full of your font symbol!
[14:47] <brousch> ug, it will be nice getting the grpug site off of GAE
[14:47] <brousch> too many hacks to make it work right
[14:53] <tjagoda> Hope I get my follow up from Canonical today
[14:53] <tjagoda> Or I will spend the entire weekend in enraged wonderment
[14:55] <brousch> good luck!
[15:27] <tjagoda> I'll just have rick call up Matt and demand a timeline
[15:27] <tjagoda> I'm sure he's good with that
[15:27] <tjagoda> =P
[15:27] <jrwren> i hope i get a follow up for a new job too!
[15:27] <jrwren> I'd actually be working with linux and python \m/
[15:28] <brousch> whaaaaat?
[15:28] <jrwren> i know, the world is gonna end.
[15:28]  * brousch smells a troll
[15:28] <jrwren> well, I've been doing objective-c for my day job for a couple months now. No more MSFT
[15:29] <krondor> ooh byobu has tmux in 12.04?  My new fun thing to play with today.
[15:29] <snap-l> Yeah, tmux is quickly replacing screen
[15:29] <brousch> jrwren: where is it?
[15:29] <jrwren> arbor networks
[15:33] <jrwren> i fear the tmux
[15:33] <rick_h> jrwren: awesome man, seemed cool when they hosted the python group
[15:33] <jrwren> i'm still ctrl-a for everything in byobu, i turn off the F1-F12 bindings. I hope it is easy to do the same in byobu 12.04
[15:34] <jrwren> rick_h: they have a new locaiton, beautiful building down on state street.
[15:34] <rick_h> I switched to tmux but mapped ctrl-a as well
[15:34] <jrwren> rick_h: and DAMN do they interview... I got awesome deep questions.
[15:34] <rick_h> no byobu
[15:34] <rick_h> jrwren: very cool, we'll have to chat about it some time
[15:34] <jrwren> rick_h: well, I hope they make me a good offer :)
[15:34] <rick_h> I was blown away by a position with them once I was thinking of tring to get in for python stuff
[15:35] <rick_h> but seems there you do python, c, perl, anything
[15:35] <snap-l> jrwren: Oh damn! Congrats!
[15:35] <rick_h> jrwren: defintely
[15:35] <jrwren> yup, its definitely an EVERYTHING job
[15:35] <jrwren> but I look forward to getting great at python... instead of being python nub
[15:35] <jrwren> rick_h: tcl too!
[15:35] <rick_h> jrwren: hah, awesome
[15:35] <snap-l> jrwren: Well, I guess I'd better ask you if we can use SRT for the Global Jam in March. :)
[15:35] <snap-l> jrwren: Oh God, not TCL
[15:35] <jrwren> snap-l: i'm sure that will still be fine. I'm not gonna burn any bridges here.
[15:35] <jrwren> <3 SRT
[15:36] <snap-l> jrwren: Whom do I need to put a bug in the ear?
[15:36] <jrwren> i can be your point of contact
[15:36] <snap-l> jrwren: Ok, awesome
[15:36] <jrwren> but tell me the date so I can save it on my calendar and be here.
[15:36] <snap-l> Haven't decided for sure, but thinking it'll be on the 3rd of March
[15:36] <snap-l> Afternoon, like last time
[15:37] <snap-l> hopefully not a home game, like last time. ;)
[15:37] <jrwren> that isn't football season.
[15:38] <jrwren> maybe march madness :)
[15:38] <krondor> ctrl bindings have some issues for me in things like miniterm.py / minicom.  Fx bindings are welcome.
[15:38] <snap-l> jrwren: heh
[15:38] <jrwren> i ctrl-a, a like a pro
[15:38] <snap-l> krondor: You're still using minicom?
[15:38] <snap-l> God, haven't fired that up in years
[15:38] <snap-l> but yeah, serial ports, embedded hardware.
[15:38] <jrwren> to talk to network equipment via serial I assume?
[15:39] <snap-l> yeah
[15:39] <snap-l> Just thought he'd use Kermit like everyone else. ;)
[15:39]  * snap-l hated Kermit
[15:39] <krondor> jrwren++
[15:39] <snap-l> it besmirched the good name of Kermits everywhere
[15:40] <snap-l> jrwren: Please let me know if there's a conflict, otherwise will plan around SRT being available.
[15:45] <snap-l> Wow, Pycon has 1500 attendees
[15:47] <tjagoda> Remove attendees
[15:47] <rick_h> yea, going to be epic
[15:47] <tjagoda> replace with fanboys
[15:47] <tjagoda> =p
[15:50] <jrwren> that is huge.
[15:50] <rick_h> yea, first time they've sold out like this
[15:51] <rick_h> came close last year, but think it was something like 1300 people
[15:52] <Wolfger> yikes
[15:52] <Wolfger> that's a lot of Pythonistas
[15:52] <snap-l> Figures, the one year that I'd like to get work to pay for it, they sell out. :)
[15:52] <rick_h> many a line of code written in that 1.5wk
[15:53] <snap-l> Wonder if there's an official metric of how much code gets generated in that time
[15:55] <rick_h> it's funny to think about. I was going "yea, but only a few hundred will stay behind for sprints"
[15:55] <rick_h> but that's the size of pyohio +
[15:55] <snap-l> Yeah, exactly
[15:55] <snap-l> PyOhio sprints were about 10% of that
[15:55] <snap-l> if that
[15:55] <rick_h> ok, time to hit the coffee shop, need a chance of scenery
[15:56] <snap-l> chance of scenery? :)
[15:56] <snap-l> Lovely landscapes?
[15:56] <brousch> no chance of that today
[15:56] <tjagoda> Its chance because he rolls dice to pick which coffee shop he goes to
[15:57] <snap-l> Caribou
[15:57] <snap-l> Just down the street from him
[15:57] <snap-l> Wolfger: We have to get you on the Python bandwagon
[15:57] <snap-l> At least get you out to PyOhio
[15:58] <tjagoda> The closest coffee shop from my house is a Tim Hortons
[15:58] <tjagoda> 15 mintues
[15:58] <snap-l> tjagoda: Nothing wrong wtih that.
[16:00] <Blazeix> ugh, Tim Hortons are disgusting. at least the ones in farmington hills
[16:00] <Blazeix> they feel like a dingy mcdonalds
[16:01] <snap-l> Blazeix: The closer to the mothership (Canada) the better they are
[16:01] <snap-l> but yeah, the ones by us are pretty dreadfu
[16:03] <tjagoda> Americans do not understand Timmies.
[16:05] <rick_h> tjagoda: yea, caribou .5mi away
[16:06] <rick_h> I should walk up here and when it's warmer I bike up here
[16:06] <rick_h> Blazeix: exactly, I hear of these mythical great Tim Hortons, but it sure seems to me I'd be better off at a dunkin donuts in a gas station somewhere en route to Dallas TX
[16:07]  * snap-l makes a note to take rick_h to a proper Timmies
[16:07] <brousch> our tim hortons is very nice, but the food is bland
[16:07]  * rick_h gets his passport ready since that seems the only way to experience this magical experience
[16:07] <snap-l> heh
[16:07] <snap-l> Port Huron
[16:07] <snap-l> Just by the bridge
[16:08] <brousch> rick_h: we ate at a decent tim hortons in columbus at pyohio
[16:08] <rick_h> brousch: yea, I think the thing is that the fans have talked it up so much the donuts would have to be served by chocolate unicorns to keep up
[16:08] <snap-l> We'll take JoDee there, since she likes to look at greighters
[16:08] <snap-l> freighters, rather
[16:09] <snap-l> rick_h: Yeah, we need to lower your expectations
[16:09] <jrwren> Blazeix: ++  Tim Hortons IS the mcdonalds of canada
[16:09] <snap-l> They're good, but not chocolate unicorns shitting glitter good
[16:09] <tjagoda> More Tim Hortons than starbucks in Canada
[16:09] <brousch> the onuts are good, but my tim hortons is 1/3 mile away from the best apple fritters in west michigan
[16:09] <tjagoda> But also a ludicrous number of McDonalds in Canada
[16:10] <snap-l> brousch: HAppy Yum Yum Fun Time Donuts and Chinese Food?
[16:10] <brousch> marge's donut den
[16:10] <snap-l> I'm surprised
[16:10] <rick_h> heh
[16:11] <brousch> http://www.margesdonutden.com/
[16:11] <snap-l> That's funny, she doesn't look asian. :)
[16:11] <brousch> little hole in the wall that's been there since before i was born
[16:11] <snap-l> Ah, OK
[16:12] <brousch> coffee sucks though
[16:12] <snap-l> I'm sure it's been brewing since before you were born too
[16:12] <brousch> i wouldn't doubt it
[16:12] <snap-l> West MI has no idea how to make a decent cup of coffee
[16:13] <brousch> there was one place, but it went out of business
[16:13] <rick_h> what?! coffee not selling?
[16:13] <rick_h> must have been a business challenged person
[16:13] <brousch> i think so
[16:13] <rick_h> seems like every places is trying to sell coffee and doing it these days
[16:14] <brousch> it was open 24 hours, but was so dead between midnight and 7am that i would walk in on the owner sleeping on the couch
[16:14] <snap-l> rick_h: That's because it keeps people in the store longer
[16:14] <brousch> they needed a drive-thru
[16:14] <snap-l> Yeah, some Biggby locations have drive-thru
[16:15] <rick_h> drive-thru ftw, it's how I meet my caribou quota
[16:15] <snap-l> Handy, save for when you're working from home, and the place is closed when you try the drive-thru
[16:16] <brousch> my biggby has a drive-thru
[16:16] <brousch> mostly why i go there
[16:17] <snap-l> I like Biggby coffee too
[16:17] <snap-l> the one on John R is a bitch to get in and out of, though
[16:18] <snap-l> Had two of them by us in Macomb
[16:19] <snap-l> Something tells me I'm never getting the vacation pay from $LASTJOB.
[16:19] <snap-l> since it was supposed to be "end of month"
[16:19] <_stink_> >:|
[16:19] <snap-l> which was in January
[16:20] <snap-l> However, since I left, their stock is going up
[16:20] <rick_h> hmmm, that's not promising
[16:20] <snap-l> Just call me the lead weight. ;)
[16:21] <Wolfger> Damn. When I leave companies, they go out of business
[16:21] <snap-l> Wolfger: You're never leaving Chrysler, then. The government will see to that. ;)
[16:26] <tjagoda> lol
[16:37] <rick_h> my new hero: http://codeslinger.posterous.com/if-youre-using-nodejs-youre-doing-life-wrong
[16:37] <rick_h> says the guy that's written node code a few times
[16:44] <tjagoda> lol
[17:23] <Blazeix> how is yui on nodejs? does it fix a few of those issues?
[17:25] <rick_h> some I guess, since you're using YUI modules you get some namespacing
[17:25] <rick_h> doens't do anything for V8, callback fun, etc
[17:27] <Blazeix> if you're doing the mvc stuff, i'd think that would fix some of the callback chains
[17:27] <Blazeix> since you have a more eventy model
[17:28] <rick_h> yea, but that's just the logic part. You've still got to get the routing/request processing and response setup done
[17:28] <Blazeix> going to lunch, but this is an interesting discussion...
[17:28] <rick_h> node.js is really pretty bare bones, now you end up stacking a framework on top like anything else
[17:29] <rick_h> yea, have fun at lunch
[18:25] <rick_h> *sigh* bzr, I want to believe...but quit sucking!!!!
[18:26] <snap-l> heh
[18:26]  * Wolfger gets rick_h one of those X-Files "I want to believe" posters
[18:27] <Wolfger> how many years (months?) til you convert LP to Git or quit in disgust?
[18:27] <rick_h> hah, there you go
[18:27] <rick_h> I've just got to make it until the end of the year and I'll get something different with a diferent stack of tools (though still not git in all likelyhood)
[18:28] <rick_h> dammit, why does a bzr push take *minute(s)* at 400kB/s?
[18:29] <Wolfger> because awesomeness takes its time?
[18:29] <Wolfger> It's cool, like The Fonz. Nobody ever rushes The Fonz.
[18:31] <brousch> Wolfger++
[18:43] <rick_h> dammit bzr, why are you trying to f@#$#ing upload 202MB of data? and dying at that point, which means it wants to upload more
[18:43] <brousch> your code sure is bloated
[18:44] <brousch> you including the Eclipse executable in there?
[18:45] <rick_h> doh, you're not supposed to see that
[18:45] <rick_h> and all my java stack since it's a build requirement now
[18:50] <jrwren> wtf?
[18:50]  * jrwren stops using canonical software
[18:51] <jrwren> tehy cannot be trusted
[18:51] <rick_h> :)
[18:52] <rick_h> heh, there we go. Had to make a new branch off of dev, merge the branch that was having push issues, and then push from the new branch
[18:52] <rick_h> finally
[19:09] <Wolfger> see? You were just using it wrong. :-)
[19:09] <rick_h> ummm yea, that's it
[19:09] <Wolfger> lol
[19:10] <brousch> you're pushing it wrong. try using the other hand
[19:10] <rick_h> ah, needed the *other* bzr push command
[19:11] <snap-l> Anyone got a link to the CoC? Keep this up, and I'll need to smack myself with it
[19:15] <rick_h> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6206556/running-scripts-within-pyramid-framework-ie-without-a-server
[19:15]  * rick_h goes off to cry in a corner
[19:16] <tjagoda> No emails yet from canonical
[19:16] <tjagoda> As Darth Vader would say
[19:17] <tjagoda> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[19:18] <snap-l> rick_h: There there, it's not a completely stupid question
[19:18] <snap-l> and remember, there's no stupid questions, only stupid people.
[19:18] <rick_h> snap-l: I can't help but read that and hear in my head "So, I've built this thin on top of a web framework that accepts a 'request" parameter and I do stuff with it...now how to I NOT use that on a web server but from something like cron...you know...totally different?"
[19:18] <brousch> it has the kernel of a good question
[19:19] <brousch> how to use the same database and settings from my pyramid app in a cron job
[19:19] <rick_h> an no one in there goes "dude, wtf...break apart the code that does the cron part and import it into your web app and your cron script...done"
[19:19] <rick_h> they're all full of firing off little mini wsgi servers and firing off a request to it
[19:20] <snap-l> rick_h: eah, but the kernel of the question is "Look, I already set up all this stuff to interface with stuff. I don't want to decouple that and have to duplicate effort"
[19:20] <snap-l> rick_h: THAT part pisses me off
[19:20] <snap-l> if you have to fire up a web server to do automated processes, you're doing it wrong
[19:21] <rick_h> right!
[19:21] <rick_h> but no one says that in all those answers
[19:21] <snap-l> Save for the "It's in Pyramid"
[19:22] <rick_h> snap-l: hehe " Build failed in Jenkins: staples_dash #255"
[19:22] <rick_h> guess I'm still somewhere
[19:22] <snap-l> *cough*useworkemailforwork*cough*
[19:23] <snap-l> ;)
[19:23] <rick_h> snap-l: uh huh...because work allows for perfect open imap access so I could get it at home in case builds failed didn't it...
[19:23] <rick_h> oh right! it's firewalled and blocked off like a mofo that requires vpn :P
[19:23] <snap-l> *cough*kerio*cough*
[19:24] <brousch> oh man, i have people here who are failing to understand that. damn fools bought android phones and hooked it to their work google account
[19:28] <snap-l> rick_h: Also got VPN working pretty well. :)
[19:32] <rick_h> snap-l: cool, yea it works pretty well just not great from a phone
[19:32] <rick_h> snap-l: I ended up running an smtp relay server off my desktop that was ssh tunnelled through my colo server so I could smtp without the vpn
[19:33] <snap-l> Ah, right
[19:41] <Wolfger> listening to rick_h's bzr woes, I now have "p-push it real good" stuck in my head
[19:43] <brousch> good song
[19:43] <rick_h> heh, glad I can help
[19:59] <krondor> Trying to play with octopress it is now clear to me I have no clue what I'm doing with ruby.
[19:59] <rick_h> heh
[20:00] <krondor> seriously I can't even get rvm working on ubuntu (but I am blaming my work proxy on blowing up rvm install so far)
[20:00] <krondor> bah this needs more caffeine brb
[20:01] <rick_h> I think rbenv is the hot kid on the block now
[20:01] <rick_h> just heads up
[20:02] <snap-l> Bah
[20:03] <jrwren> rvm is pretty damn easy to roll... must be your proxy.
[20:03] <jrwren> can you get through it with HTTP_PROXY env var ?
[20:03] <snap-l> What does rbenv offer now? Do I just run sudo and let it configure itself automagically?
[20:04] <jrwren> you shouldn't sudo at all.
[20:04] <jrwren> the whole point is that it is a non system environment
[20:04] <brousch> like virtualenv, right?
[20:04] <rick_h> yea
[20:04] <snap-l> jrwren: That's my biggest beef with the ruby community
[20:04] <rick_h> snap-l: you're thinking node :P
[20:05] <snap-l> rick_h: pfft
[20:05] <jrwren> they don't care about wasting disk space... they just want to get shit done.
[20:05] <snap-l> jrwren: "Just download this unprotected script from github, and let us do the heavy lifting"
[20:05] <jrwren> :)
[20:06] <snap-l> After which you install half-of-the-fucking-net just to make something work
[20:06] <brousch> is there no cheeseshop for ruby?
[20:06] <rick_h> sure, rubygems.org or net or something
[20:06] <rick_h> but if you think getting python packages, keeping up to date, etc is a pain...gems are 5x worse
[20:07] <jrwren> that has not been my experience.
[20:07] <jrwren> bundler makes it damn easy, and you can install the gem per project instead of per system.
[20:07] <rick_h> really? my experience has been that people are much more likely to want you to just pull from github than to do tested releases
[20:08] <jrwren> yes, that is true
[20:08] <brousch> maybe the github is tested
[20:08] <jrwren> but the tools are built to make doing that VERY easy and without impacting cross project
[20:08] <brousch> all of the ruby people i know are test crazy
[20:08] <rick_h> Oh no doubt on installing per project and such. I just mean that the state of gems and sites like ruby gems are much less likely to be up to date/greatest vs pypi
[20:08] <jrwren> gem install blah is the latest IME.
[20:09] <jrwren> IIRC there are ways you can point gem to github
[20:09] <rick_h> yea, a lot like pip in that way
[20:09] <jrwren> so its the same as cpan or whatever else.
[20:09] <rick_h> rgr
[20:09] <snap-l> bundler is OK
[20:09] <snap-l> it's just different enough to make things interesting
[20:17] <krondor> I'm back and caffeinated but now I've decided my time wouldn't be wasted trying this at home w/ no proxy.
[20:17] <krondor> woops didn't mean for that to be a notice :|
[20:17] <rick_h> whoa, plugged my mifi into my desktop to charge and network manager in precise tried to turn it into a wired net connection
[20:17]  * rick_h wonders if that'd work hmmm
[20:18] <krondor> I expect it would depending on the mifi.
[20:30] <snap-l> rick_h: Whenever I plugged in my iPhone, Ubuntu was all set to turn it into a connection
[20:30] <snap-l> Of course I didn't have tethering set up
[20:37] <krondor> yeah I've done it with my droids with usb tethering on it and it always just worked on ubuntu and opensuse.
[20:37] <rick_h> yea, just found it strange since hte mifi is wifi only that charging it would pick it up as a device like that
[20:39] <brousch> hm, did google just screw all of you galaxy nexus owners? http://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/03/google-no-longer-considers-verizons-lte-galaxy-nexus-to-be-a-developer-phone/
[20:40] <krondor> I haven't really used a mifi much, but it wouldn't surprise me if its internals weren't that far off from android phones (linux core)
[20:40] <rick_h> brousch: don't make me cry please...wtf
[20:41] <krondor> I'm thinking fallout from vzw's meddling with google wallet support
[20:42] <rick_h> come on, if that mean I will not get future android updates from google wtf!
[20:42] <krondor> sucks, but I have no doubts the community support will remain strong
[20:42] <rick_h> it was the whole point for getting this phone
[20:42] <rick_h> right, but I got this phone so I could get updated android without cyanogen and crap
[20:43] <krondor> rick_h:  I doubt you'd get cut out of updates, but maybe updates would need vzw blessing first so added time
[20:43] <krondor> still sucks
[20:43] <rick_h> well that was always assumed, but if it's not a dev phone...
[20:43]  * rick_h goes off to get really fired up before going to his vzw store again to find out why calls aren't going throgh to his phone...
[20:43] <brousch> looks like i sit on the droid for a while longer to see how this shakes out
[20:44] <krondor> woot time to go home and try ruby again
[20:46] <snap-l> rick_h: Oh man