[06:24] <lapubell> hello fello ubuntu users
[06:24] <lapubell> anyone want to try and help me debug a FFADO jack startup error?
[06:48] <lapubell> anyone up for a FFADO jack startup error troubleshoot?
[06:51] <lapubell> maybe later...
[07:28] <rimp> Hi. Is  anyone familiar with the Sound Blaster Live Drive 2?
[07:43] <rimp> :'(
[09:57] <artao> howdy
[09:57] <artao> anyone live?
[13:55] <artao> hai
[13:55] <artao> anyone live?
[13:59] <astraljava> Yes. In the future, it's better to state your business, someone can get back to you about it when they see it.
[14:00] <artao> k
[14:00] <artao> i'm wondering if i can boot ubuntu studio 'Live' or if I must do a full install?
[14:02] <astraljava> artao: The devel cycle is a live image, but no stable one unfortunately yet.
[14:02] <artao> k
[14:02] <astraljava> artao: You can, however, use some other flavor and install studio packages in that sessioin.
[14:03] <artao> thx
[14:03] <astraljava> session*
[14:03] <artao> really? cool
[14:03] <artao> would that work from a base debian install? or just an ubuntu install?
[14:04] <artao> i'm testing many distros right now, but i REALLY like the app packages included in studio
[14:04] <astraljava> Debian has different repositories, so there might be bad conflicts with package versions.
[14:04] <artao> k
[14:04] <artao> studio uses gnome, yes? how hard is it to change to, say, E17, xfce, or kde?
[14:05] <astraljava> 11.10 uses Xfce.
[14:05] <artao> i can have seperate users each with a different one, no?
[14:05] <artao> cool
[14:05] <astraljava> Previous releases used GNOME 2.
[14:05] <artao> thx
[14:05] <artao> :D
[14:05] <astraljava> Well, for 11.10, the session management is a bit tricky.
[14:05] <astraljava> But before that it is very much possible.
[14:06] <astraljava> 12.04 will have better features for session management, again.
[14:06] <artao> is it a rolling upgrade?
[14:06] <astraljava> No, but lightdm (and the greeter) is more mature this cycle.
[14:06] <artao> i'm a little unclear how that end works .. it's been 6 - 8 yrs since i last maintained a linux install
[14:07] <astraljava> artao: It's a bit too much trying to explain it all. Just come here for questions when you run into problems. :)
[14:07] <artao> k
[14:07] <astraljava> Also, #ubuntu for just plain distro problems, and #xubuntu for Xfce-specific problems.
[14:07] <artao> right now i'm testing debian xfce, then xubuntu, then i'll go ahead and install studio prolly
[14:07] <astraljava> But try this channel first.
[14:08] <artao> cool, thx
[14:08] <artao> OH! one last thing quick .. how well does studio deal with dual-head display?
[14:08] <artao> several of the distros i've tried had .. issues
[14:08] <astraljava> Which GPU?
[14:09] <artao> found it difficult to set which monitor was primary
[14:09] <artao> old .. ati x600 256M pcie
[14:09] <astraljava> The radeon driver is pretty good these days, so I wouldn't expect too bad problems. But then that's probably in use in other distros, too, so I might be wrong here.
[14:09] <artao> i plan on replacing that asap. nvidia geforce, prolly gtx series .. for CUDA support in 3D apps. blender and luxrender specifically
[14:10] <astraljava> nVidia has excellent linux support.
[14:10] <artao> i was told on #ubuntu of a 'lxrandr' to help me with that bit
[14:10] <astraljava> I have an older 9600 GT, and their drivers are superb, as well as the management software.
[14:10] <astraljava> xrandr, and some of its front-ends are great,  yes.
[14:11] <artao> this is a new machine to me. got it off craigslist.
[14:11] <artao> much to learn. much to learn. ;)
[14:11] <astraljava> Always is.
[14:11] <artao> linux has changed a bit in the last 6 - 8 yrs
[14:11] <astraljava> Keeps you on your toes, aye. :)
[14:11] <artao> last one i used regular was mandrake 9
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[14:12] <artao> i know ..
[14:12] <astraljava> They had some pretty solid releases back then, I remember.
[14:12] <astraljava> But I've been almost solely in debian-land since Jan. '05.
[14:13] <artao> so, wait
[14:13] <artao> if studio uses xfce, then i can pretty much forgo checking out xubuntu and just install studio
[14:14] <astraljava> Well, different theming.
[14:14] <astraljava> I use Xubuntu on my laptop from work, which I'm on at the moment.
[14:14] <astraljava> Studio only on the box I use for audio work.
[14:15] <artao> i'm sure i'll be messing with theming anyhow
[14:15] <astraljava> Well, right.
[14:15] <artao> that's one thing that attracts me to studio .. the midi stuff all installed
[14:15] <astraljava> But it's still beneficial to know what we're basing off, if you're interested that is.
[14:15] <artao> i am
[14:15] <artao> i know i do NOT like gnome these days
[14:15] <artao> used to.
[14:20] <astraljava> Yeah.
[14:20] <astraljava> GNOME 2 was great.
[14:20] <artao> ok .. where in xfce do i go to set my dual-head to extend the display, not clone it?
[14:21] <astraljava> I'm afraid you're gonna have to use xrandr for that.
[14:21] <astraljava> The management tools are a bit lacking, IIRC
[14:21] <artao> hmmm
[14:22] <astraljava> I have a script for an external monitor at work, hang on.
[14:22] <astraljava> #!/bin/sh
[14:22] <astraljava> xrandr --auto --output HDMI-0 --mode 1920x1080 --right-of LVDS
[14:22] <astraljava> That works for me.
[14:22] <astraljava> Make adjustments accordingly.
[14:23] <artao> dang it!! i've forgotten how to exit man on the console
[14:23] <artao> GAH!!!
[14:23] <artao> thx
[14:24] <astraljava> q
[14:24] <astraljava> ...to exit.
[14:24] <artao> duh!
[14:24]  * artao slaps self
[14:24] <astraljava> Can I help with that? ;)
[14:25] <astraljava> Sorry. Can't resist the temptation at times.
[14:25] <artao> if u must
[14:29] <artao> well .. lxrandr is useless ... u know any other frontends for xrandr?
[14:32] <astraljava> arandr
[14:32] <astraljava> I think there's grandr as well.
[14:33] <astraljava> But, I have to get to the supermarket now. Be back in an hour or so.
[14:33] <artao> cool
[14:33] <astraljava> Good luck!
[14:33] <artao> thx again
[14:33] <artao> :)
[14:33] <astraljava> No prob, happy to help.
[14:40] <artao> grandr did it
[14:40] <artao> thx
[17:03] <artao> on reboot, grub wouldn't load. can't boot to win 7 OR ubuntu studio
[17:03] <artao> how can i fix this?
[17:13] <astraljava> artao: You can use an alternate install disc to repair grub, or another live-cd, mount the hard drive, and re-install grub on the MBR.
[17:16] <artao> can i just boot with the studio dvd to fix it?
[17:17] <artao> how do i re-install grub?
[17:17] <artao> should i have NOT let it go on my win 7 disk?  ... ... i assume thats where the MBR is
[17:18] <astraljava> artao: A good article about it @ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling_GRUB2
[17:18] <artao> just found that and reading it
[17:19] <artao> booting from xubuntu usb key now
[17:20] <artao> dang it!!
[17:20] <artao> the whole install went so nice and smooth up to this point
[17:21] <artao> how large a partition does studio require? with all the packages installed?
[17:22] <artao> maybe i should reformat and repartition my sata drive and just reinstall win 7 and studio
[17:22] <artao> not a thrilling idea tho
[17:25] <astraljava> I think it's around 5 GB or so. I can't check real quick at the moment, though. Sorry.
[17:26] <artao> that's it? wow
[17:26] <artao> cool
 gonna go shower then attack this fresh
[17:40] <artao> i'll use my win 7 boot disk to repair that first
[17:40] <artao> then re-install ubuntu studio
[17:45] <astraljava> You don't need to reinstall the whole OS.
[17:45] <holstein> !grub2 | artao
[17:46] <holstein> there should be detailed instructions there on recovering grub
[17:46] <holstein> using live CD and other methods
[17:46] <astraljava> holstein: See about 15 lines above. :)
[17:47] <holstein> yeah, just re-iterating
[17:47] <astraljava> Ok.
[17:47] <holstein> reinstall if you like, but you dont need to astraljava
[17:47] <holstein> :/
[17:47] <holstein> artao: ^^
[17:50]  * astraljava thinks many people need to astraljava
[17:51] <holstein> lol
[18:11] <artao> ok, better. showered, thought about it
[18:11] <artao> 1st i'm gonna use my win 7 boot disk to get win 7 to boot again
[18:11] <artao> then see what i can do about studio
[18:11] <artao> :D
[18:11] <artao> i've been reading that grub stuff
[18:12] <artao> tried re-installing grub .. no luck
[18:12] <artao> tried with xubuntu live usb, and from studio dvd
[18:13] <astraljava> artao: Can you pastebin your attempts?
[18:14] <artao> no
[18:15] <artao> the comp. i'm on here is a mere p2 .. only good for irc, astronomy, and simple simple web
[18:15] <artao> besides, i'm not totally sure what pastebin is, or how i'd use it for this
[18:15] <artao> :D
[18:16] <astraljava> !paste | artao
[18:19] <artao> ah
[18:29] <artao> i think i misunderstood the instructions on that page
[18:29] <artao> i boot INTO live 'nix, then use grub-install or boot repair, yes?
[18:37] <astraljava> Yes.
[18:47] <artao> running boot repair now. fingers crossed
[18:48] <artao> i guess i'm glad i burned a regular standard ubuntu 11.10 dvd
[18:48] <artao> :D ;)
[18:50] <holstein> you can use some other boot loader.. GAG or plop
[18:50] <holstein> sudo grub-install might fix it all though
[18:50] <artao> i'd honestly have no idea how
[18:50] <holstein> update-grub
[18:51] <holstein> whatever... depends on whats wrong
[18:51] <ailo> update-grub or update-grub2 should fix it
[18:51] <artao> i think the mbr on my primary drive is gone
[18:51] <holstein> used to really freak me out when things didnt boot, and the bootloader got borked
[18:51] <artao> we'll see if boot-repair fixed it shortly here
[18:52] <holstein> i did some things to actually break it, and test fixed a few scenarios
[18:52] <ailo> What is the command to install grub? grub-install?
[18:52] <ailo> So: sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[18:52] <ailo> Right?
[18:52] <holstein> artao: i always reference that wiki
[18:52] <artao> holy crap!
[18:52] <holstein> artao: sorry...
[18:52] <artao> gurb came up
[18:52] <holstein> ailo: ^^
[18:53] <holstein> all these a* nicks now :)
[18:53] <artao> no win 7 option, but i bet that can be fixed
[18:53] <artao> er
[18:53] <holstein> artao: try sudo update-grub first
[18:53] <artao> too late
[18:53] <holstein> artao: i mean, now that you are seeing grub, and booting linux (or maybe im assuming that)
[18:54] <holstein> sometimes that command can auto-magically fix it all :)
[18:54] <astraljava> Is lilo still alive?
[18:55] <holstein> not sure... i havent heard about it for ages
[18:55] <astraljava> Yea me neither.
[18:55] <ailo> I think if you do an expert install you can choose lilo instead
[18:55] <ailo> At least on Debian
[18:56] <ailo> Used to be default on some distros, right?
[18:56] <holstein> i know it was.. i forget what just gave it to me... mandriva?
[18:56] <artao> hunh
[18:56] <holstein> that was years ago though
[18:56] <ailo> I love the FOSS world. Posted about a unsatisfied dependency for pd-extended, and two days later, it's fixed
[18:56] <artao> grub came up, i chose linux, and now i just have a black screen
[18:56] <artao> dang it!!
[18:56] <artao> ...
[18:57] <holstein> artao: try tty's.. control+alt+F1
[18:57] <artao> thinking whether there's really any reason i need both win 7 and linux on here
[18:57] <artao> yay!
[18:57] <artao> ok
[18:57] <artao> at login
[18:57] <holstein> loging there, run sudo update-grub, reboot with sudo reboot
[18:57] <holstein> see that windows is showingup... boot that so you can not worry about it
[18:58] <astraljava> ailo: I think back in the day, lilo used to be the default in all distros.
[18:58] <holstein> then you can troubleshoot whatever graphics or kernel issue is giving you teh black screen
[18:58] <holstein> the*
[18:58] <astraljava> ...which is not much. Back in the day, there were only Red Hat, Slackware and Debian. :)
[18:59] <ailo> artao: When you look at the terminal after running "sudo update-grub" and you don't see Windows, try "sudo update-grub2"
[19:00] <ailo> Red Hat was my first
[19:00] <ailo> I have a strong nostalgic feeling towards it
[19:00] <holstein> yeah, thats true... you should see the boot entries spawn there
[19:00] <artao> red hat was my 1st in the late 90s
[19:00] <artao> mandrake in the early 00s
[19:00] <artao> then nothing til now
[19:00] <artao> ;)
[19:01] <artao> this is a new machine to me, and there's really nothing important on that primary drive
[19:01] <artao> got it off craigslist with win 7 32 bit from a corporate network install
[19:01] <artao> ubuntu won't let me log in
[19:01] <holstein> artao: in what way?
[19:01] <holstein> the black screen?
[19:01] <artao> i'm using the credentials i created at install, i'm 100% positive
[19:02] <artao> login incorrect
[19:02] <holstein> you mean ubuntustudio?
[19:02] <artao> ja
[19:02] <ailo> artao: numlock, shit-lock?
[19:02] <holstein> you can use the recovery console to reset it or whatever
[19:02] <holstein> yeah, double check
[19:02] <ailo> Shift-lock* hehe
[19:02] <astraljava> Hah.
[19:03] <artao> hell!!
[19:03] <artao> ok
[19:03] <ailo> Caps lock is what i'm looking for
[19:03] <artao> now i'm trying to think if there's any reason i need or want to keep win 7 on the primary drive
[19:03] <holstein> if you have a restore disc...
[19:03] <ailo> artao: I like the way you're thinking ;)
[19:03] <artao> this is to be primarily a workstation .. i've got an xp box as my media server/game machine
[19:03] <artao> and i have a full system image of my win 7 install
[19:04] <artao> if i ever wanna put it back
[19:04] <artao> i tried repairing windows from its boot disc, but it wanted to reformat the freaking drive!!!!
[19:04] <artao> LAME!!
[19:04] <holstein> i say wipe it
[19:04] <artao> screw it. go for broke.
[19:04] <artao> me too
[19:04] <holstein> id never feel comfortable
[19:04] <artao> :D
[19:04] <artao> with abandon
[19:04] <holstein> id want fresh, or nothing
[19:05] <ailo> The more FLOSS, the less gross it feels to use it
[19:05] <artao> yeah. my 'rents got it for me
[19:05] <artao> not exactly what i'da bought myself, but hey!
[19:05] <artao> my media server is having power supply issues you see. keeps dying
[19:06] <artao> that's a whole nuther story tho ... not for here ;)
[19:06] <holstein> you can run a live CD on it and make sure ... check the memory and all that
[19:07] <artao> so if i give studio a 40G ext4 partition, and make all my other space fat32, that should be fine, no?
[19:07] <holstein> depends
[19:07] <holstein> if you track files that are larger than fat can handle
[19:07] <holstein> i do ext2 for my tracking partitions
[19:07] <holstein> not sure if you are intereted in tracking though
[19:07] <artao> no, it's the power supply. i'm sure. i've run memory tests. every time it goes down, swapping power supplies fixes it. or leaving the power supply unplugged for a few days
[19:07] <artao> i've been swapping back and forth between power supplies for several years now
[19:08] <holstein> i would let a live CD run on it just to make sure its not a windows thing
[19:08] <artao> i'll be gettiang a new one soon. when i order a new vid card for this new machine
[19:08] <holstein> but, i also trip over powersupplies where i work on computers ;)
[19:08] <artao> i booted with memtest, and other diagnostics. i've traced it quite firmly to the PS
[19:08] <artao> never ever again will i buy an el-cheapo PS
[19:09] <holstein> i generall use el-free-o
[19:10] <holstein> whatever comes in and i strip for parts, or what i find in the trash
[19:13] <astraljava> It used to be easy. But nowadays even new-ish parts eat way too much power.
[19:14] <astraljava> I had to _buy_ a PS four years ago. It was the first time since '97.
[19:14] <artao> aaaaactually .. just thinking
[19:14] <artao> i'm a'gonna unplug my external usb drive. my big one. my primary data drive
[19:15] <artao> PRIOR to installing or re-partitioning anything
[19:15] <artao> best laid plans and all
[19:16] <artao> watching "Freerunner"
[19:16] <artao> pretty cheesy
[19:16] <artao> but the freerunning is cool. impressive gymnastics!!
[19:17] <artao> thx for all yer help btw :D
[19:17] <astraljava> Did you manage to fix it?
[19:18] <artao> not yet
[19:18] <artao> doing a complete wipe of the whole system
[19:18] <artao> bye bye win 7
[19:19] <artao> gonna put studio on my primary sata drive
[19:19] <astraljava> That's the spirit.
[19:20] <artao> as i said, i've got a system image of win 7 if i wanna put it back
[19:29] <artao> wow. freerunner is one of those movies so bad u just watch in amazement and can't turn it off
[19:29] <artao> heh
[20:09] <artao> ok, what the heck. completely fresh new install. wiped and reformatted the whole machine.
[20:10] <artao> AGAIN the black screen, so i go to console. damn thing won't let me log int!!
[20:10] <holstein> right
[20:10] <holstein> thats a graphics card issue
[20:10] <artao> i KNOW i'm using the credentials i created during install
[20:10] <artao> i get that
[20:10] <holstein> that will likely be the same for *all* linux kernels
[20:10] <artao> i need to use the nosetmode, right
[20:10] <artao> ?
[20:10] <holstein> artao: thats where i would start
[20:11] <artao> but at the ctrl/alt/f1 console, it now won't let me log in at all
[20:11] <holstein> artao: double check
[20:11] <holstein> i hate to say that in those situations i usually find its something simple that im doing
[20:11] <artao> also, i only kno OF nosetmode, not how to actually use it ... i do that somehow from grub?
[20:11] <holstein> not that you are incorrect
[20:12] <holstein> artao: you can.. you can also create a custom xorg.conf
[20:12] <artao> i don't know man. i JUST set up my user/pass during install, and now it won't take it
[20:12] <ailo> If you can't login from the console it's not a graphics issue
[20:12] <artao> caps lock isn't different. i know i'm typing it right
[20:12] <holstein> i usually get a knoppix disk or a puppy disk, get to the desktop and steal that one
[20:12] <holstein> artao: have you ever seen a live desktop on that machine?
[20:12] <artao> ja
[20:13] <artao> i ran several different distros b4 installing this one
[20:13] <holstein> yeah, i agree with ail	 then
[20:13] <holstein> ailo: *
[20:13] <ailo> It's got to be something to do with the password and symbols and such
[20:13] <holstein> something else is odd
[20:14] <artao> isn't there a default login for a base linux install?
[20:14] <artao> guest/pass or guest/user ?
[20:14] <artao> just tried root/toor
[20:15] <artao> linux DOES accept symbols in passwords, yes?
[20:15] <ailo> Which version of US is this?
[20:15] <artao> i guess i could try to install a distro i've tried that worked .. see if it's a studio this
[20:15] <ailo> Or is it regular ubuntu?
[20:15] <artao> just grabbed it today
[20:15] <artao> studio
[20:15] <artao> the stable version 11.10
[20:15] <artao> oneric ocelot
[20:16] <artao> ... i'd like to have an ocelot companion ;)
[20:16] <ailo> Hate to say it, but XFCE may have more unusual problems than other desktops, though logging in from ctrl+alt+F1 should work
[20:17] <ailo> I once had giant letters
[20:17] <ailo> It was totally impossible to use it on that machine
[20:17] <ailo> That was a pure XFCE thing
[20:17] <artao> hm
[20:17] <artao> xubuntu and debian xfce ran fine
[20:17] <artao> off usb key
[20:17] <ailo> artao: But you are seeing the login, right?
[20:17] <ailo> It's only the password that isn't accepted?
[20:18] <artao> i see the login, yes
[20:18] <artao> i don't know, it doesn't say. just 'login incorrect'
[20:18] <artao> doesn't say WHAT is incorrect .. which is good. security
[20:18] <artao> i'm back in grub right now. i hit 'e' to edit the startup params
[20:19] <ailo> I would double check what the keyboard is set to while installing to make sure the password isn't something strange
[20:19] <ailo> It's gotta be the password
[20:19] <artao> i did
[20:19] <artao> us
[20:19] <artao> ok, so i'm currently 'editing' the boot script i guess
[20:20] <holstein> yeah, try making a simpler one for the sake of testing
[20:20] <holstein> like password
[20:20] <artao> not sure what all i'm seeing, but one odd thing that pops out to me is: insmod ext2
[20:20] <artao> i know i formatted it as ext4
[20:20] <artao> not to sound all hackery, but what's the default linux login ubuntu studio?
[20:21] <artao> if that doesn't work, something is really wrong, yes?
[20:21] <astraljava> There is none.
[20:21] <artao> really? hunh
[20:21] <astraljava> You will have to use recovery mode in grub to change credentials.
[20:21] <artao> linux used to set a default root and guest account, no?
[20:21] <astraljava> !root | artao
[20:21] <artao> well, back to grub
[20:22] <artao> could that 'insmod ext2" be problematic considering the partition is ext4 ?
[20:22] <artao> also, this is where i'd add the 'nosetmode' right? just add that in there? at the beginning or end
[20:22] <artao> ?
[20:24] <artao> !nosetmode
[20:24] <artao> how do u get those?
[20:26] <holstein> artao: i dont think its a graphics issue in which you need nomodeset
[20:26] <holstein> you have no root account like that, we do sudo
[20:26] <astraljava> Well, technically, root account is there, it just doesn't have a password.
[20:26] <holstein> i personally wouldnt worry about that message relating to ext
[20:27] <artao> i mean, sure i'm trying to look thru the docs uv linked to; but web browser is PAINFULLY slow on this old notebook
[20:27] <artao> k
[20:27] <holstein> yeah ^^ its just different than a typical root account
[20:27] <artao> i understand now re: root/sudo
[20:27] <artao> ;)
[20:27] <holstein> i would personally unplug *all* other drives
[20:27] <holstein> i would load a live CD, xubuntu whatever
[20:27] <holstein> i would test the ram, i would want to get to a desktop and maybe run a check on the hard drive
[20:28] <artao> ?!?!?
[20:28] <ailo> If you get as far as to the login, that means everything is loaded, except the user login
[20:28] <holstein> i would then maybe format the drive, and consider checking the md5 sum of the downloaded iso and confirming the CD burn or the USB stick creation
[20:28] <artao> i checked the md5, good
[20:28] <ailo> There's something screwy happening with entering the password
[20:29] <artao> i've had no problems with any other os i've tried. just now that studio is installed ..
[20:29] <ailo> I googled a bit. Who knows, if there is a bug related to logging ing
[20:29] <artao> ok. so it was mentioned i go into rescue mode to reset my user/pass
[20:29] <artao> can i have a blank pass?
[20:30] <artao> i'm really not concerned about system security. i'm behind a firewall
[20:30] <astraljava> Just set it to 123456 or something.
[20:30] <artao> k
[20:30] <astraljava> No special chars.
[20:30] <astraljava> It could be a weird locale issue or something.
[20:30] <astraljava> Although I don't know of such.
[20:30] <astraljava> But you never know.
[20:30] <artao> ok, at recovery mode prompt
[20:30] <artao> how do i reset my account password?
[20:31] <astraljava> # passwd <user>
[20:31] <artao> WHAT!!!
[20:32] <artao> 'user freeman does not exist'
[20:32] <artao> WTF
[20:32] <artao> that's the account i set up during install tho. positive. 10000000%
[20:32] <astraljava> So something happened at user creation.
[20:32] <astraljava> You can just create one now.
[20:32] <artao> can i create a user from recovery console?
[20:32] <artao> k
[20:32] <artao> let me guess .. user freeman ??
[20:32] <astraljava> # adduser freeman
[20:33] <artao> aha
[20:33] <ailo> No, that won't do it
[20:33] <ailo> You have to add some arguments, or you won't get everything set up
[20:33] <ailo> No?
[20:33] <astraljava> Hmm?
[20:34] <artao> weird 'the home directory '/home/freeman' already exists. not copying ...
[20:34] <artao> add what arguments?
[20:34] <ailo> You have to set up what shell is to be used and so on
[20:34] <artao> k
[20:35] <artao> i can just make another user and remove freeman later then
[20:35] <ailo> Otherwise you'll end up with dash instead of bash
[20:35] <astraljava> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddUsersHowto#Command-line
[20:35] <artao> could u elaborate plz
[20:35] <artao> aha
[20:36] <astraljava> ailo: Nah, all new users use /bin/bash as interactive shell, dash is just the default shell when running scripts etc.
[20:37] <ailo> astraljava: Might be it's different on a server, now that I think of it
[20:37] <artao> that doc says 'useradd' not 'adduser' ...
[20:37] <astraljava> Could be different /etc/skel et al.
[20:37] <ailo> Yeah, probably
[20:37] <astraljava> artao: Look closer.
[20:37] <ailo> So, never mind
[20:38] <artao> "$ sudo useradd username -m -s /bin/bash"
[20:38] <artao> typo?
[20:38] <astraljava> $ sudo adduser <username>
[20:38] <astraljava> That's the first given command there.
[20:38] <artao> so that command (except 'useradd') will set me up for a successful login?
[20:39] <astraljava> But yeah, I'm gonna have to read up on that. Might be outdated, but hang on a sec.
[20:39] <artao> OR ...
[20:39] <artao> hold on
[20:39] <artao> shell reported that 'freeman' got set up. just also that /home/freeman already existed
[20:40] <artao> i'll see if i can log in ... or will stuff be screwed up 'cause of the weird user-creation weirdness?
[20:40] <astraljava> Nah, adduser should suffice.
[20:40] <astraljava> artao: Yeah, that was just a warning.
[20:41] <artao> YAY ME
[20:41] <astraljava> artao: There could be errors due to different uid.
[20:41] <artao> i remembered the shutdown and reboot command! :D :D
[20:41] <artao> yep.
[20:42] <artao> logged in at ctrl-alt-f1 shell now
[20:42] <astraljava> artao: And you were a little quick on that. Your new user isn't in the admin group, so sudo won't work.
[20:42] <artao> got the black screen and monitor sleep at boot
[20:43] <artao> THAT'S why i'll need nosetmode, ja
[20:43] <artao> hunh
[20:43] <artao> you are correct sir
[20:43] <artao> LOLZ
[20:43] <artao> oh boy!! what fun!
[20:43] <artao> ok so back to grub and recovery mode
[20:43] <astraljava> artao: You can check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for the real causes for the blackness.
[20:45] <artao> ok .. so can i get freeman into the admin group from recovery console?
[20:45] <artao> or do i need to create a new user?
[20:45] <artao> in either case, how please?
[20:47] <artao> there IS no /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[20:48] <astraljava> artao: No, you have to do that when you boot into normal mode.
[20:48] <astraljava> It's not there now.
[20:49] <astraljava> But yeah, adding the user to a group...
[20:49] <astraljava> # adduser <user> <group>
[20:51] <artao> i tried adduser freeman admin
[20:51] <artao> no admin group
[20:51] <astraljava> Hmm... hang on a sec.
[20:51] <artao> how do i CORRECTLY add a new user that is an admin then?
[20:52] <astraljava> Installer would do it, but after that, you would possibly use the GUI for it in a working installation.
[20:52] <ailo> I think admin is not there anymore?
[20:52] <ailo> Try adding yourself to sudo
[20:52] <astraljava> But if there is no admin group, then the user management side of the install process is really botched.
[20:52] <ailo> Check the file /etc/group for available groups
[20:52] <artao> that did it!
[20:52] <astraljava> Wait, what release is this?
[20:53] <artao> thx
[20:53] <artao> oneric ocelot 64 bit
[20:53] <ailo> Oneiric
[20:53] <artao> just grabbed it today
[20:53] <artao> heh
[20:53] <artao> k
[20:53] <astraljava> $ groups
[20:53] <astraljava> jaska adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare
[20:53] <ailo> They changed something with that a while back
[20:53] <astraljava> $ lsb_release -r
[20:53] <astraljava> Release:	11.10
[20:53] <ailo> hmm
[20:53] <astraljava> So, no.
[20:54] <astraljava> The installation is seriously screwed, and as painful as it is, I suggest you do another one.
[20:54] <artao> hm
[20:54] <artao> suxxo
[20:54] <astraljava> That's so ground-level issue right there, I am afraid there will be other very grave problems.
[20:54] <astraljava> artao: I'm sorry you got bitten by that.
[20:54] <astraljava> Hope you have patience to give another one a go.
[20:55] <artao> sure
[20:55] <artao> i need to hit the pharmacy b4 they close too. gotta remember that
[20:55] <artao> i think i may try a diff distro to see if that works?
[20:56] <astraljava> Sure, we're not holding you a hostage. :)
[20:56] <artao> if anything i'm holding YOU hostage lolZ
[20:56] <artao> thx again for yr help
[20:57] <astraljava> No worries. Thanks for trying US out.
[20:57] <artao> we'll figure this out!!
[20:57] <artao> i'm excited by all the apps included in studio
[20:57] <artao> pretty much everything I'D want to install myself .. tho you might consider including LuxRender in the future ;) ... works with Blender
[20:59] <artao> is MyPaint included?
[20:59] <artao> ... back in grub
[21:00] <artao> i hit 'e' agin to look at the launch parameter
[21:00] <artao> s
[21:00] <acerimmer> artao: no mypaint by default but installable in seconds via software center
[21:00] <artao> k
[21:00] <artao> great app .. tho it really needs a tablet
[21:00] <artao> soooo
[21:01] <artao> in this boot script, i'd wanna add that nosetmode ?
[21:01] <artao> i'd just like to try it
[21:01] <astraljava> artao: Yes, that is correct.
[21:01] <artao> i also see a 'set gfxpayload=$linux_gfx_mode'
[21:01] <artao> leave that or take it out?
[21:01] <astraljava> ...although I think it's not called a script, but rather stanza or something.
[21:02] <artao> fair nuf
[21:02] <astraljava> I wouldn't know. Just append that nosetmode to the stanza.
[21:02] <artao> is there a comment symbol?
[21:02] <astraljava> ...and test it out.
[21:02] <artao> fair nuf
[21:02] <astraljava> No, no comments for that.
[21:02] <astraljava> When you're editing the file, then comments can be added.
[21:03] <artao> unknown command 'nosetmode'
[21:03] <acerimmer> Seeking: feisty 7.04 ubuntustudio-wallpapers_0.xx_all.deb
[21:03] <astraljava> artao: Hang on a sec.
[21:05] <astraljava> artao: Can you see 'quiet splash' there somewhere? Add 'nomodeset' immediately after 'splash', well a white-space in between but still.
[21:05] <astraljava> acerimmer: I saw your email. Interesting, I gotta look up where those sources are stored, if available anymore. The repositories are closed, of course, for the EOL releases.
[21:06] <acerimmer> astraljava: understood.  I was hoping that someone had archived them - especially seeking the "xmas tree" looking paper....
[21:06] <artao> yes it was there
[21:07] <artao> i'll go back. hold on
[21:09] <artao> well ... this time the screen didn't go black and 'sleep' the monitors
[21:09] <artao> BUT, all i get is a blinky cursor in the upper left corner
[21:10] <artao> "Your screen is blank, except for a blinking cursor in the upper left corner.
[21:10] <artao> >>"
[21:11] <artao> > press escape
[21:11] <artao> "Nothing happens."
[21:11] <artao> > press enter
[21:11] <artao> "Nothing happens."
[21:11] <artao> > look at computer
[21:11] <astraljava> artao: What if you hit Ctrl + Alt + F1 ?
[21:11] <astraljava> Will it show you the TTY?
[21:11] <artao> "The computer is sitting there, minding it's own business, humming along."
[21:12] <artao> ja
[21:12] <astraljava> Can you log in now?
[21:12] <artao> and i can log in now
[21:12] <artao> as sudo
[21:12] <artao> or rather WITH sudo priviledges
[21:12] <artao> ;)
[21:12] <artao> and i am
[21:12] <astraljava> Ok, now see if you can access the /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[21:12] <acerimmer> Fix for all  ubuntu problems: http://imagebin.org/196658
[21:13] <astraljava> Haha!
[21:13] <artao> it's not there
[21:13] <artao> that file
[21:13] <astraljava> artao: Ok, type $ ls /var/log/
[21:13] <astraljava> What do you see?
[21:13] <artao> i'm IN /var/log, and did an ls
[21:13] <astraljava> Is there anything resembling Xorg in any way?
[21:13] <artao> it's not ther
[21:13] <artao> nope
[21:14] <artao> dang it!! what's the ls switch for a long list,not wide?
[21:14] <astraljava> artao: Ok. Hang on a sec.
[21:14] <astraljava> -l
[21:14] <artao> sorry for the simple question
[21:14] <artao> thx
[21:14] <artao> command line is starting to come back
[21:14] <artao> i should pull out my handy unix command book
[21:15] <astraljava> Seems like you don't have xserver installed properly, which could be one additional problem on top of the missing admin group glitch.
[21:15] <astraljava> artao: Was this an ubuntustudio install?
[21:16] <astraljava> artao: What is the output of $ apt-cache policy ubuntustudio-desktop ?
[21:17] <artao> strange that
[21:17] <astraljava> ‽
[21:17] <artao> i type ALL that as one?
[21:18] <astraljava> Well, minus the $ and the ?
[21:18] <astraljava> $ is just used to show you don't need root privileges for that command.
[21:18] <artao> quote:
[21:18] <astraljava> # if you do.
[21:18] <artao> ubuntustudio-destop:
[21:18] <artao> Installed: (none)
[21:18] <astraljava> Ok.
[21:18] <astraljava> As expected.
[21:18] <artao> Candidate: 0.90
[21:18] <artao> Version table:
[21:18] <artao> 0.90 0
[21:18] <astraljava> artao: That's enough.
[21:19] <astraljava> artao: Do $ sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-desktop && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:19] <artao> 500 cdrom://Ubuntu-Studio 11.10 _Oneiric Ocelot_ - release amd64 (20111011)/ oneiric/universe amd64 Packages
[21:19] <artao> oop sorry
[21:19] <artao> wasn't looking at this scren
[21:19] <artao> k
[21:20] <astraljava> No worries. :)
[21:20] <astraljava> Oh.
[21:20] <astraljava> Seems like your sources.list isn't up-to-date either.
[21:20] <astraljava> artao: Do $ sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:21] <astraljava> And comment out the disc entry.
[21:21] <astraljava> IF you have networking, that is.
[21:21] <astraljava> In fact, first do $ ping 8.8.8.8
[21:21] <astraljava> And tell me what you see.
[21:21] <artao> hunh. it wasn't the cd
[21:21] <astraljava> No need to paste all that stuff.
[21:21] <artao> spected it to get it online
[21:22] <artao> it goes
[21:22] <astraljava> artao: The 500 cdrom:// line told us that it finds that package only from the disc, not the online repository.
[21:22] <astraljava> We want to override that, and get you using the repos in the future.
[21:22] <astraljava> There are tons of updates since the image has been created.
[21:23] <artao> ... non sequiter ... couldn't find my unix commands handbook, but i DID find "The Official Red Hat Linux User's Guide" ... pub. 1997
[21:23] <artao> ;0
[21:23] <artao> XD
[21:23] <astraljava> Haha!
[21:23] <astraljava> Well, the basics haven't changed, at least much.
[21:23] <artao> that's why i love my unix commands handbook ;)
[21:24] <astraljava> Yep. That's the beauty of GNU tools.
[21:24] <artao> soooo ... for some reason it didn't install the GUI? or didn't install X at all? or what?
[21:24] <astraljava> Yeah.
[21:24] <astraljava> The installer has clearly crashed at some point.
[21:24] <artao> well .. except that GNU's Not Unix .. ;) heh heh
[21:24] <astraljava> Yeah, but most unices utilize the GNU tools heavily.
[21:25] <astraljava> Like 'adduser'.
[21:25] <astraljava> But anyway, is your networking ok?
[21:25] <artao> the installer gave no indication of any problems at all
[21:25] <artao> not sure about the networking
[21:25] <astraljava> $ ping 8.8.8.8
[21:26] <artao> that apt-get .. command string wanted the dvd .. but it's going fine
[21:26] <artao> my router indicates it's online tho
[21:26] <astraljava> Yeah, but the system might not get there.
[21:26] <artao> but i spose that just means it's plugged in really
[21:26] <astraljava> Yep.
[21:26] <astraljava> Did you try that ping?
[21:27] <artao> oop
[21:27] <artao> seeing blinky lights on the router now, and the dvd light is out
[21:27] <artao> me?
[21:27] <artao> no .. it's doing the install stuff
[21:27] <astraljava> Ok.
[21:28] <artao> is it safe to jump to another console and check that?
[21:28] <astraljava> Yep.
[21:28] <artao> avg. ping about 40 ms
[21:29] <astraljava> Ok good, your network is fine.
[21:29] <astraljava> You can comment out the disc entry in /etc/apt/sources.list, then.
[21:29] <artao> l8r
[21:29] <astraljava> Sure.
[21:35] <artao> la la laaa
[21:35] <artao> installing LOTS of stuff
[21:35] <artao> how could the installer have failed so miserably yet appeared to go so smoothly?
[21:36] <astraljava> artao: Those are life's endless mysteries.
[21:36] <astraljava> Well, basically, the basic system gets installed first, of course. The seeding then continues to the more higher-level stuff. It seems that it failed somewhere in between.
[21:37] <astraljava> At least you got the essentials.
[21:38] <artao> ja
[21:40] <artao> ok
[21:40] <artao> appears to be don
[21:40] <artao> doen
[21:40] <artao> grr done
[21:40] <artao> altho, a somewhat alarming end message (to me)
[21:40] <artao> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[21:40] <artao> i guess i just reboot now and see?
[21:41] <artao> or do i need to do more sudo stuff first?
[21:42] <astraljava> No, that was just the last command of the chain of such I wrote.
[21:42] <astraljava> It's fine, try to reboot now.
[21:42] <artao> cool
[21:42]  * artao crosses his fingers
[21:43] <artao> oops
[21:43] <artao> left the dvd in
[21:43] <artao> heh
[21:43] <astraljava> artao: No need. It'll get sorted. It's already really close now.
[21:43] <astraljava> I'm just real worried about it missing the admin group.
[21:43] <astraljava> But oh well.
[21:44] <artao> well, i was able to add myself to the sudo group at least
[21:44] <artao> YAY!!
[21:44] <artao> ubuntu studio login!!
[21:44] <artao> :D
[21:45] <artao> aaaand i've got a desktop!
[21:45] <artao> ok
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[21:45] <artao> that was fun ;)
[21:45]  * artao hands everyone a beer
[21:45] <astraljava> Cheers!
[21:46] <acerimmer> http://imagebin.org/196269
[21:46] <astraljava> Haha!
[21:46] <astraljava> acerimmer: Do you have those links as a script with aliases, or how do you come up with them that fast? :)
[21:47] <artao> however, it looks like it didn't install any of the packages
[21:47] <acerimmer> astraljava: no script, just saved URL's to my fffox toolbar
[21:47] <astraljava> artao: Not surprising, as it was missing the essential metapackage for the desktop environment.
[21:47] <astraljava> artao: Just install any of what you want to see. -audio, -graphics, -video etc.
[21:48] <astraljava> acerimmer: Gotcha.
[21:48] <artao> i use synaptic, yes?
[21:48] <artao> i just learned to use it i have to 'sudo synaptic' from console
[21:49] <astraljava> artao: Or better yet, do $ gksudo synaptic
[21:49] <astraljava> gksudo for all GUI applications.
[21:49] <astraljava> sudo for cli
[21:49] <artao> eh?
[21:49] <artao> ok
[21:50] <astraljava> It works in most cases, but in some rare ones, it sets your environment correctly so everything works exactly right.
[21:50] <astraljava> Err... that came out wrong. It _always_ sets your environment correctly, which in some cases is essential for the right usage of that application.
[21:51] <artao> wait wait wait
[21:51] <artao> this is all individual packages
[21:51] <astraljava> What is?
[21:51] <artao> isn't there a way to install the 'whole set'?
[21:51] <artao> in synaptic
[21:51] <artao> like in the installer?
[21:51] <astraljava> artao: Yes. If you do a search in synaptic for ubuntustudio, you will see all the relevant metapackages.
[21:51] <artao> i don't wanna hafta fiddle with configuring all that
[21:52] <astraljava> When you install those metapackages, they depend on the actual individual packages for the applications you want to use.
[21:52] <artao> cool. thx
[21:52] <artao> but they get automatically installed, yes?
[21:52] <artao> with those ubuntustudio packages i mean
[21:53] <astraljava> When you install the metapackages, yes.
[21:53] <artao> cool
[22:03] <artao> chuggachuggachugga
[22:04] <artao> any comments on running E17 with studio?
[22:04] <artao> or kde?
[22:04] <acerimmer> artao: can be done but be aware that xfce is the default
[22:04] <artao> yep
[22:05] <artao> and i'm ok with that
[22:05] <artao> just kinda like to play with those others a bit too
[22:05] <artao> each user can have its own DE, yes?
[22:06] <acerimmer> artao: consider virtual box.  You can play, break, install to your heart's content without risking your main installation
[22:07] <artao> sounds interesting
[22:07] <artao> say, how up-to-date is the included blender 3d? .. they've got a ridicu-fast dev cycle
[22:08] <artao> 2.62 should be coming out this month
[22:08] <acerimmer> artao: can't say when it will hit the repos, but you can always build from source
[22:09] <artao> well, i could TRY
[22:09] <artao> lolz
[22:09] <artao> anyhow, they've got an official linux build on their website
[22:10] <artao> AND graphical.org has LOADS of alternate/updated/expanded/optimized builds
[22:10] <artao> altho i am aware i'd prolly get the BEST performance building it on MY machine
[22:10] <artao> i did it once before, but i'm not very confident these days in compiling myself
[22:11] <artao> holy crap!! it's still got 2.58!!
[22:11] <artao> wow
[22:11] <artao> well, i can fix that
[22:14] <acerimmer> artao: ...and it begins.  LOL!  Seriously, you might wish to keep a log of your updates, installs and modifications.  Just in case.  Also, imho, ubuntu life is MUCH less stressful if one sticks with LTS releases.
[22:14] <artao> what is LTS?
[22:14] <artao> ... oops
[22:14] <artao> just crashed my machine
[22:15] <acerimmer> !lts|artal
[22:15] <artao> that's what i get for trying to sculpt at 7 subdivision levels
[22:15] <artao> lolZ
[22:15] <artao> aha
[22:15] <artao> too late. already 11.10
[22:15] <artao> ;)
[22:17] <artao> crappy gfx card .. grr
[22:17] <artao> can't wait to upgrade taht sucker
[22:17] <artao> my OLD machine has a better card!! agp tho .... and x800 512M instead of x600 256M ... ATI both
[22:17] <artao> gonna go with geforce next .. for the CUDA
[22:18] <artao> back up now
[22:18] <artao> OMG!! look at all those beautiful beautiful apps!!
[22:18] <artao> now to learn what they all DO!! hee hee heeeeeee
[22:19] <artao> fun with synths!!
[22:33] <artao> well then. pharmacy
[22:33] <artao> thanks again folks!! you were very very helpful and understanding and patient with me
[22:33] <artao> :D
[22:34] <astraljava> Well, we want more minions^Wusers. :D
[22:34] <astraljava> Good that you got things working.
[22:34] <astraljava> Enjoy your Studio.
[22:36] <artao> much to explore
[22:36] <artao> curious: is there something included where I can use my 4 axis joystick as a MIDI controller?
[22:36] <artao> i used to do that under XP
[22:37] <acerimmer> artao: plug it in .  it might work outathebox
[22:37] <astraljava> I have no idea. I'm more of an integrator, not really a heavy-user (yet)
[22:37] <artao> MUCH to explore looks like
[22:38] <artao> one more ? .. can xfce 'do' desktop gadgets/gizmos/whathaveyou?
[22:40] <astraljava> artao: Those are the kind of questions that might be better answered over at #xubuntu. Of course there might be people here who know that stuff, but there's more likely to run across people who have longer experience with Xfce DE.
[22:40] <artao> k. cool
[22:40] <astraljava> After all, 11.10 was the first release of Studio to be based on Xubuntu.
[22:40] <artao> fair nuf
[22:41] <artao> it IS snappy!!
[22:41] <acerimmer> !xfce|artao
[22:41] <artao> well, i'm out for now
[22:41] <artao> i'm sure i'll be back
[22:41] <artao> ;)
[22:41] <astraljava> Ok. Hope to see you soon. :)
[22:57] <artao> back
[22:57] <artao> and already a question a thought of on my errand
[22:57] <artao> I see now there IS an admin account ... SHOULD I add myself to that group, and if so how?
[22:58] <artao> the GUI user admin panel wants root pass .. and i've learned there is none
[22:58] <astraljava> Yeah, that might not work very well at the moment.
[22:58] <artao> don't know what to run as 'sudo' to bring that same panel up
[22:58] <astraljava> You can do it in terminal. $ sudo adduser freeman admin
[22:58] <artao> of course
[22:58] <astraljava> If that was your user. I might recall wrongly.
[22:59] <artao> yep
[23:00] <artao> yay
[23:00] <artao> worked
[23:01] <astraljava> Ok. Now the thing is, I'd want to remove it from the sudo group. Remember, if it somehow stops working with the sudo command after that, you can always add it back from the recovery mode.
[23:03] <artao> hunh
[23:03] <artao> ok
[23:03] <artao> and i'd do that how?
[23:03] <astraljava> Hang on.
[23:06] <astraljava> $ sudo deluser freeman sudo
[23:07] <artao> well
[23:07] <artao> seems i can still do stuff
[23:08] <astraljava> artao: The change will come to effect after a log out / log back in.
[23:08] <artao> ah
[23:08] <artao> that's cool
[23:08] <astraljava> If you do `groups` in terminal now, you'll still see it there.
[23:08] <artao> i need to re-attach my external usb hd anyhow now
[23:15] <artao> #xubuntu says 'no' to gizmos etc..
[23:15] <artao> oh well
[23:15] <artao> i was likin those under win 7
[23:16] <artao> and yeah, upon reboot appears to work fine
[23:16] <astraljava> Yeah well, Xfce has considerably smaller development resources than Microsoft. *blink* *blink*
[23:16] <artao> synaptic popped right up after i gave it my pass .
[23:16] <artao> well, i understand that
[23:16] <artao> hah
[23:16] <artao> i know E17 and kde can
[23:17] <astraljava> artao: Try again the Users and Groups utility. I just checked, and for me it isn't asking for root's password, but my own.
[23:17] <artao> yep. works
[23:18] <astraljava> 'k.
[23:23] <artao> now.
[23:23] <artao> regarding blender 3d
[23:24] <artao> that's something i'll be updating quite regularly
[23:24] <artao> actually, i normally have 3 or 4 versions installed
[23:24] <artao> i should be putting those in my own /usr/bin ??
[23:24] <artao> i can put the official build in the /bin tho, yes?
[23:24] <astraljava> artao: That's not really how things work in linux.
[23:25] <artao> please elaborate
[23:25] <artao> i know others run multiple installs under linux
[23:25] <astraljava> If you want to have several different ones installed at the same time, you'd be better off prefixing at configure time a distinct location for each.
[23:25] <artao> well, for the downloads, there IS no actual istaller .. they come as tarballs
[23:26] <astraljava> artao: Exactly. You need to compile them.
[23:26] <artao> no no. they're executables
[23:26] <artao> i've already used one under regular ubuntu
[23:27] <astraljava> Ok, so you should then put them under $HOME/bin/
[23:27] <astraljava> Add that location to your $PATH, so you don't have to type the whole path each time.
[23:28] <artao> $HOME being /usr/freeman ?
[23:28] <astraljava> $HOME being /home/freeman
[23:28] <astraljava> Try it out in terminal: $ echo $HOME
[23:29] <artao> ah
[23:31] <artao> ahhhh multi-head ... thank you grandr
[23:31] <artao> :D