[06:24] hello fello ubuntu users [06:24] anyone want to try and help me debug a FFADO jack startup error? [06:48] anyone up for a FFADO jack startup error troubleshoot? [06:51] maybe later... [07:28] Hi. Is anyone familiar with the Sound Blaster Live Drive 2? [07:43] :'( [09:57] howdy [09:57] anyone live? [13:55] hai [13:55] anyone live? [13:59] Yes. In the future, it's better to state your business, someone can get back to you about it when they see it. [14:00] k [14:00] i'm wondering if i can boot ubuntu studio 'Live' or if I must do a full install? [14:02] artao: The devel cycle is a live image, but no stable one unfortunately yet. [14:02] k [14:02] artao: You can, however, use some other flavor and install studio packages in that sessioin. [14:03] thx [14:03] session* [14:03] really? cool [14:03] would that work from a base debian install? or just an ubuntu install? [14:04] i'm testing many distros right now, but i REALLY like the app packages included in studio [14:04] Debian has different repositories, so there might be bad conflicts with package versions. [14:04] k [14:04] studio uses gnome, yes? how hard is it to change to, say, E17, xfce, or kde? [14:05] 11.10 uses Xfce. [14:05] i can have seperate users each with a different one, no? [14:05] cool [14:05] Previous releases used GNOME 2. [14:05] thx [14:05] :D [14:05] Well, for 11.10, the session management is a bit tricky. [14:05] But before that it is very much possible. [14:06] 12.04 will have better features for session management, again. [14:06] is it a rolling upgrade? [14:06] No, but lightdm (and the greeter) is more mature this cycle. [14:06] i'm a little unclear how that end works .. it's been 6 - 8 yrs since i last maintained a linux install [14:07] artao: It's a bit too much trying to explain it all. Just come here for questions when you run into problems. :) [14:07] k [14:07] Also, #ubuntu for just plain distro problems, and #xubuntu for Xfce-specific problems. [14:07] right now i'm testing debian xfce, then xubuntu, then i'll go ahead and install studio prolly [14:07] But try this channel first. [14:08] cool, thx [14:08] OH! one last thing quick .. how well does studio deal with dual-head display? [14:08] several of the distros i've tried had .. issues [14:08] Which GPU? [14:09] found it difficult to set which monitor was primary [14:09] old .. ati x600 256M pcie [14:09] The radeon driver is pretty good these days, so I wouldn't expect too bad problems. But then that's probably in use in other distros, too, so I might be wrong here. [14:09] i plan on replacing that asap. nvidia geforce, prolly gtx series .. for CUDA support in 3D apps. blender and luxrender specifically [14:10] nVidia has excellent linux support. [14:10] i was told on #ubuntu of a 'lxrandr' to help me with that bit [14:10] I have an older 9600 GT, and their drivers are superb, as well as the management software. [14:10] xrandr, and some of its front-ends are great, yes. [14:11] this is a new machine to me. got it off craigslist. [14:11] much to learn. much to learn. ;) [14:11] Always is. [14:11] linux has changed a bit in the last 6 - 8 yrs [14:11] Keeps you on your toes, aye. :) [14:11] last one i used regular was mandrake 9 [14:12] [14:12] i know .. [14:12] They had some pretty solid releases back then, I remember. [14:12] But I've been almost solely in debian-land since Jan. '05. [14:13] so, wait [14:13] if studio uses xfce, then i can pretty much forgo checking out xubuntu and just install studio [14:14] Well, different theming. [14:14] I use Xubuntu on my laptop from work, which I'm on at the moment. [14:14] Studio only on the box I use for audio work. [14:15] i'm sure i'll be messing with theming anyhow [14:15] Well, right. [14:15] that's one thing that attracts me to studio .. the midi stuff all installed [14:15] But it's still beneficial to know what we're basing off, if you're interested that is. [14:15] i am [14:15] i know i do NOT like gnome these days [14:15] used to. [14:20] Yeah. [14:20] GNOME 2 was great. [14:20] ok .. where in xfce do i go to set my dual-head to extend the display, not clone it? [14:21] I'm afraid you're gonna have to use xrandr for that. [14:21] The management tools are a bit lacking, IIRC [14:21] hmmm [14:22] I have a script for an external monitor at work, hang on. [14:22] #!/bin/sh [14:22] xrandr --auto --output HDMI-0 --mode 1920x1080 --right-of LVDS [14:22] That works for me. [14:22] Make adjustments accordingly. [14:23] dang it!! i've forgotten how to exit man on the console [14:23] GAH!!! [14:23] thx [14:24] q [14:24] ...to exit. [14:24] duh! [14:24] * artao slaps self [14:24] Can I help with that? ;) [14:25] Sorry. Can't resist the temptation at times. [14:25] if u must [14:29] well .. lxrandr is useless ... u know any other frontends for xrandr? [14:32] arandr [14:32] I think there's grandr as well. [14:33] But, I have to get to the supermarket now. Be back in an hour or so. [14:33] cool [14:33] Good luck! [14:33] thx again [14:33] :) [14:33] No prob, happy to help. [14:40] grandr did it [14:40] thx [17:03] on reboot, grub wouldn't load. can't boot to win 7 OR ubuntu studio [17:03] how can i fix this? [17:13] artao: You can use an alternate install disc to repair grub, or another live-cd, mount the hard drive, and re-install grub on the MBR. [17:16] can i just boot with the studio dvd to fix it? [17:17] how do i re-install grub? [17:17] should i have NOT let it go on my win 7 disk? ... ... i assume thats where the MBR is [17:18] artao: A good article about it @ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling_GRUB2 [17:18] just found that and reading it [17:19] booting from xubuntu usb key now [17:20] dang it!! [17:20] the whole install went so nice and smooth up to this point [17:21] how large a partition does studio require? with all the packages installed? [17:22] maybe i should reformat and repartition my sata drive and just reinstall win 7 and studio [17:22] not a thrilling idea tho [17:25] I think it's around 5 GB or so. I can't check real quick at the moment, though. Sorry. [17:26] that's it? wow [17:26] cool [17:40] gonna go shower then attack this fresh [17:40] i'll use my win 7 boot disk to repair that first [17:40] then re-install ubuntu studio [17:45] You don't need to reinstall the whole OS. [17:45] !grub2 | artao [17:45] artao: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10) [17:46] there should be detailed instructions there on recovering grub [17:46] using live CD and other methods [17:46] holstein: See about 15 lines above. :) [17:47] yeah, just re-iterating [17:47] Ok. [17:47] reinstall if you like, but you dont need to astraljava [17:47] :/ [17:47] artao: ^^ [17:50] * astraljava thinks many people need to astraljava [17:51] lol [18:11] ok, better. showered, thought about it [18:11] 1st i'm gonna use my win 7 boot disk to get win 7 to boot again [18:11] then see what i can do about studio [18:11] :D [18:11] i've been reading that grub stuff [18:12] tried re-installing grub .. no luck [18:12] tried with xubuntu live usb, and from studio dvd [18:13] artao: Can you pastebin your attempts? [18:14] no [18:15] the comp. i'm on here is a mere p2 .. only good for irc, astronomy, and simple simple web [18:15] besides, i'm not totally sure what pastebin is, or how i'd use it for this [18:15] :D [18:16] !paste | artao [18:16] artao: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [18:19] ah [18:29] i think i misunderstood the instructions on that page [18:29] i boot INTO live 'nix, then use grub-install or boot repair, yes? [18:37] Yes. [18:47] running boot repair now. fingers crossed [18:48] i guess i'm glad i burned a regular standard ubuntu 11.10 dvd [18:48] :D ;) [18:50] you can use some other boot loader.. GAG or plop [18:50] sudo grub-install might fix it all though [18:50] i'd honestly have no idea how [18:50] update-grub [18:51] whatever... depends on whats wrong [18:51] update-grub or update-grub2 should fix it [18:51] i think the mbr on my primary drive is gone [18:51] used to really freak me out when things didnt boot, and the bootloader got borked [18:51] we'll see if boot-repair fixed it shortly here [18:52] i did some things to actually break it, and test fixed a few scenarios [18:52] What is the command to install grub? grub-install? [18:52] So: sudo grub-install /dev/sda [18:52] Right? [18:52] artao: i always reference that wiki [18:52] holy crap! [18:52] artao: sorry... [18:52] gurb came up [18:52] ailo: ^^ [18:53] all these a* nicks now :) [18:53] no win 7 option, but i bet that can be fixed [18:53] er [18:53] artao: try sudo update-grub first [18:53] too late [18:53] artao: i mean, now that you are seeing grub, and booting linux (or maybe im assuming that) [18:54] sometimes that command can auto-magically fix it all :) [18:54] Is lilo still alive? [18:55] not sure... i havent heard about it for ages [18:55] Yea me neither. [18:55] I think if you do an expert install you can choose lilo instead [18:55] At least on Debian [18:56] Used to be default on some distros, right? [18:56] i know it was.. i forget what just gave it to me... mandriva? [18:56] hunh [18:56] that was years ago though [18:56] I love the FOSS world. Posted about a unsatisfied dependency for pd-extended, and two days later, it's fixed [18:56] grub came up, i chose linux, and now i just have a black screen [18:56] dang it!! [18:56] ... [18:57] artao: try tty's.. control+alt+F1 [18:57] thinking whether there's really any reason i need both win 7 and linux on here [18:57] yay! [18:57] ok [18:57] at login [18:57] loging there, run sudo update-grub, reboot with sudo reboot [18:57] see that windows is showingup... boot that so you can not worry about it [18:58] ailo: I think back in the day, lilo used to be the default in all distros. [18:58] then you can troubleshoot whatever graphics or kernel issue is giving you teh black screen [18:58] the* [18:58] ...which is not much. Back in the day, there were only Red Hat, Slackware and Debian. :) [18:59] artao: When you look at the terminal after running "sudo update-grub" and you don't see Windows, try "sudo update-grub2" [19:00] Red Hat was my first [19:00] I have a strong nostalgic feeling towards it [19:00] yeah, thats true... you should see the boot entries spawn there [19:00] red hat was my 1st in the late 90s [19:00] mandrake in the early 00s [19:00] then nothing til now [19:00] ;) [19:01] this is a new machine to me, and there's really nothing important on that primary drive [19:01] got it off craigslist with win 7 32 bit from a corporate network install [19:01] ubuntu won't let me log in [19:01] artao: in what way? [19:01] the black screen? [19:01] i'm using the credentials i created at install, i'm 100% positive [19:02] login incorrect [19:02] you mean ubuntustudio? [19:02] ja [19:02] artao: numlock, shit-lock? [19:02] you can use the recovery console to reset it or whatever [19:02] yeah, double check [19:02] Shift-lock* hehe [19:02] Hah. [19:03] hell!! [19:03] ok [19:03] Caps lock is what i'm looking for [19:03] now i'm trying to think if there's any reason i need or want to keep win 7 on the primary drive [19:03] if you have a restore disc... [19:03] artao: I like the way you're thinking ;) [19:03] this is to be primarily a workstation .. i've got an xp box as my media server/game machine [19:03] and i have a full system image of my win 7 install [19:04] if i ever wanna put it back [19:04] i tried repairing windows from its boot disc, but it wanted to reformat the freaking drive!!!! [19:04] LAME!! [19:04] i say wipe it [19:04] screw it. go for broke. [19:04] me too [19:04] id never feel comfortable [19:04] :D [19:04] with abandon [19:04] id want fresh, or nothing [19:05] The more FLOSS, the less gross it feels to use it [19:05] yeah. my 'rents got it for me [19:05] not exactly what i'da bought myself, but hey! [19:05] my media server is having power supply issues you see. keeps dying [19:06] that's a whole nuther story tho ... not for here ;) [19:06] you can run a live CD on it and make sure ... check the memory and all that [19:07] so if i give studio a 40G ext4 partition, and make all my other space fat32, that should be fine, no? [19:07] depends [19:07] if you track files that are larger than fat can handle [19:07] i do ext2 for my tracking partitions [19:07] not sure if you are intereted in tracking though [19:07] no, it's the power supply. i'm sure. i've run memory tests. every time it goes down, swapping power supplies fixes it. or leaving the power supply unplugged for a few days [19:07] i've been swapping back and forth between power supplies for several years now [19:08] i would let a live CD run on it just to make sure its not a windows thing [19:08] i'll be gettiang a new one soon. when i order a new vid card for this new machine [19:08] but, i also trip over powersupplies where i work on computers ;) [19:08] i booted with memtest, and other diagnostics. i've traced it quite firmly to the PS [19:08] never ever again will i buy an el-cheapo PS [19:09] i generall use el-free-o [19:10] whatever comes in and i strip for parts, or what i find in the trash [19:13] It used to be easy. But nowadays even new-ish parts eat way too much power. [19:14] I had to _buy_ a PS four years ago. It was the first time since '97. [19:14] aaaaactually .. just thinking [19:14] i'm a'gonna unplug my external usb drive. my big one. my primary data drive [19:15] PRIOR to installing or re-partitioning anything [19:15] best laid plans and all [19:16] watching "Freerunner" [19:16] pretty cheesy [19:16] but the freerunning is cool. impressive gymnastics!! [19:17] thx for all yer help btw :D [19:17] Did you manage to fix it? [19:18] not yet [19:18] doing a complete wipe of the whole system [19:18] bye bye win 7 [19:19] gonna put studio on my primary sata drive [19:19] That's the spirit. [19:20] as i said, i've got a system image of win 7 if i wanna put it back [19:29] wow. freerunner is one of those movies so bad u just watch in amazement and can't turn it off [19:29] heh [20:09] ok, what the heck. completely fresh new install. wiped and reformatted the whole machine. [20:10] AGAIN the black screen, so i go to console. damn thing won't let me log int!! [20:10] right [20:10] thats a graphics card issue [20:10] i KNOW i'm using the credentials i created during install [20:10] i get that [20:10] that will likely be the same for *all* linux kernels [20:10] i need to use the nosetmode, right [20:10] ? [20:10] artao: thats where i would start [20:11] but at the ctrl/alt/f1 console, it now won't let me log in at all [20:11] artao: double check [20:11] i hate to say that in those situations i usually find its something simple that im doing [20:11] also, i only kno OF nosetmode, not how to actually use it ... i do that somehow from grub? [20:11] not that you are incorrect [20:12] artao: you can.. you can also create a custom xorg.conf [20:12] i don't know man. i JUST set up my user/pass during install, and now it won't take it [20:12] If you can't login from the console it's not a graphics issue [20:12] caps lock isn't different. i know i'm typing it right [20:12] i usually get a knoppix disk or a puppy disk, get to the desktop and steal that one [20:12] artao: have you ever seen a live desktop on that machine? [20:12] ja [20:13] i ran several different distros b4 installing this one [20:13] yeah, i agree with ail then [20:13] ailo: * [20:13] It's got to be something to do with the password and symbols and such [20:13] something else is odd [20:14] isn't there a default login for a base linux install? [20:14] guest/pass or guest/user ? [20:14] just tried root/toor [20:15] linux DOES accept symbols in passwords, yes? [20:15] Which version of US is this? [20:15] i guess i could try to install a distro i've tried that worked .. see if it's a studio this [20:15] Or is it regular ubuntu? [20:15] just grabbed it today [20:15] studio [20:15] the stable version 11.10 [20:15] oneric ocelot [20:16] ... i'd like to have an ocelot companion ;) [20:16] Hate to say it, but XFCE may have more unusual problems than other desktops, though logging in from ctrl+alt+F1 should work [20:17] I once had giant letters [20:17] It was totally impossible to use it on that machine [20:17] That was a pure XFCE thing [20:17] hm [20:17] xubuntu and debian xfce ran fine [20:17] off usb key [20:17] artao: But you are seeing the login, right? [20:17] It's only the password that isn't accepted? [20:18] i see the login, yes [20:18] i don't know, it doesn't say. just 'login incorrect' [20:18] doesn't say WHAT is incorrect .. which is good. security [20:18] i'm back in grub right now. i hit 'e' to edit the startup params [20:19] I would double check what the keyboard is set to while installing to make sure the password isn't something strange [20:19] It's gotta be the password [20:19] i did [20:19] us [20:19] ok, so i'm currently 'editing' the boot script i guess [20:20] yeah, try making a simpler one for the sake of testing [20:20] like password [20:20] not sure what all i'm seeing, but one odd thing that pops out to me is: insmod ext2 [20:20] i know i formatted it as ext4 [20:20] not to sound all hackery, but what's the default linux login ubuntu studio? [20:21] if that doesn't work, something is really wrong, yes? [20:21] There is none. [20:21] really? hunh [20:21] You will have to use recovery mode in grub to change credentials. [20:21] linux used to set a default root and guest account, no? [20:21] !root | artao [20:21] artao: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo [20:21] well, back to grub [20:22] could that 'insmod ext2" be problematic considering the partition is ext4 ? [20:22] also, this is where i'd add the 'nosetmode' right? just add that in there? at the beginning or end [20:22] ? [20:24] !nosetmode [20:24] how do u get those? [20:26] artao: i dont think its a graphics issue in which you need nomodeset [20:26] you have no root account like that, we do sudo [20:26] Well, technically, root account is there, it just doesn't have a password. [20:26] i personally wouldnt worry about that message relating to ext [20:27] i mean, sure i'm trying to look thru the docs uv linked to; but web browser is PAINFULLY slow on this old notebook [20:27] k [20:27] yeah ^^ its just different than a typical root account [20:27] i understand now re: root/sudo [20:27] ;) [20:27] i would personally unplug *all* other drives [20:27] i would load a live CD, xubuntu whatever [20:27] i would test the ram, i would want to get to a desktop and maybe run a check on the hard drive [20:28] ?!?!? [20:28] If you get as far as to the login, that means everything is loaded, except the user login [20:28] i would then maybe format the drive, and consider checking the md5 sum of the downloaded iso and confirming the CD burn or the USB stick creation [20:28] i checked the md5, good [20:28] There's something screwy happening with entering the password [20:29] i've had no problems with any other os i've tried. just now that studio is installed .. [20:29] I googled a bit. Who knows, if there is a bug related to logging ing [20:29] ok. so it was mentioned i go into rescue mode to reset my user/pass [20:29] can i have a blank pass? [20:30] i'm really not concerned about system security. i'm behind a firewall [20:30] Just set it to 123456 or something. [20:30] k [20:30] No special chars. [20:30] It could be a weird locale issue or something. [20:30] Although I don't know of such. [20:30] But you never know. [20:30] ok, at recovery mode prompt [20:30] how do i reset my account password? [20:31] # passwd [20:31] WHAT!!! [20:32] 'user freeman does not exist' [20:32] WTF [20:32] that's the account i set up during install tho. positive. 10000000% [20:32]