[00:00] Bug #925801 [00:00] Launchpad bug 925801 in alacarte (Ubuntu) "Installing alacarte installs half of GNOME" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/925801 [00:00] I use the standard Xubuntu Software thing. I did enable "http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu partner" in Sources. Maybe I shouldn't have done that? [00:00] that's not the problem [00:01] ok [00:01] the problem exists in the recommends of the alacarte package [00:01] So everything that comes through teh Software centre should be ok, then? [00:01] that's a known bug, or whatever it should be called :) [00:01] yeah. they should be fine, and shouldn't have too big surprises [00:01] except alacarte.... [00:01] Ofcourse.. [00:02] I seem to be a bug magnet. [00:02] you should start filing bugs then ;) [00:02] maybe :) [00:02] easier to fix them if we know about them [00:03] I haven't done it so far. Most oif the bugs I have encountered had already been filed. [00:03] yup :) you can always mark that they affect you too, so they'll get more "heat" [00:04] or add comments, if you think you can add something to help fixing it [00:04] Yeah, I probably should do that. [00:04] thanks, that would help us a lot :) [00:05] I also installed Compiz. I reckon that will also install a lot of gnome stuff? [00:05] i'm not so sure, but i wouldn't be too worried if it installed some. :) [00:06] Not that I am that much of a fan of Compiz. But I just wanted to see if the videodriver, I compiled and installed worked. [00:08] That is not really a bug. But When I do a clean install of Xubuntu and it suggest the prop. driver, the thing just crashes. Appearently I have the dreaded ATI gfxcard that just don't work very well with Ubuntu. So I had to install it manually. And that one worked fine. But I guess that sort of thing gets corrected in the new version? [00:09] hmm. [00:09] if you file a bug, maybe... :) [00:09] I lokked. It was already filed :) [00:09] looked. [00:09] hih, okay. then maybe :) [00:12] But anyway. I am very happy with Xubuntu. It is just the thing for me. Not too fancy. Just a lean and clean OS. Still with an "oldschool" interface that has a BROWSABLE MENU! :D [00:16] Why is LXMenuEditor not in the default repo's? [00:17] probably so new [00:17] ok [00:23] Ok, thanks you all for you help! I'm off to bed. Tomorrow I'll take a look at the LXMenuEditor. [00:24] O dear, what awfull spelling! Sorry for that! I must really go to bed. [00:26] :) [00:27] night pjotter [00:56] hi [00:56] hey [00:57] this irc its a little quiet [00:57] so [00:57] i come here [00:57] because [00:57] i need help [00:57] its something about xfce [00:57] and compiz [00:58] !enter [00:58] Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line. Don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! [00:58] ok [01:00] i got the problem, when i start compiz with compiz button i use for a few minutes and more late my system get freeze, i got geforce 8200 onboard with the recomended driver. [01:01] Normally they recommend compiz --replace, but I've not used it [01:01] oks [01:01] i try this command but i dont find solutions [01:04] try #compiz on freenode here as well [01:05] ahhh. ok, i come here because here are users that use compiz with xfce, but thanks i gonna find the answer [01:06] bye === moylan1 is now known as moylan [01:37] hi or hola [01:37] hello [02:05] hi everyone [02:06] hey [02:06] can anyone help me ? [02:06] !ask [02:06] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [02:06] XD [02:06] im trying to install openssh-server but it seems i fait at it [02:06] fail* [02:07] fail how? what's the error message? (if it's multiline, use pastebin) [02:08] ok sec [02:08] paste.ubuntu.com [02:09] dang [02:09] my wireless mouse doesnt work now [02:09] lol sec [02:10] You can also look at https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/serverguide/C/openssh-server.html [02:12] knome: http://paste.ubuntu.com/827194/ [02:14] Did you run sudo apt-get update before? [02:14] few times [02:15] Unit193: when i run update it says this : http://paste.ubuntu.com/827199/ [02:17] Unit193: its the two last lines [02:18] Are you using lucid? [02:18] And where did that little knome go... [02:19] chatting in offtopic [02:19] Unit193: u here ? i got another question too :D [02:19] needhelp23231, sudo apt-get check ? [02:20] knome: u? [02:20] needhelp23231, try that command in termianl [02:20] *terminal [02:21] knome Unit193 you still here ? i got d/c [02:22] yes, we are here [02:22] However, I am not [02:22] can you pastebin the complete output of 'sudo apt-get check'? [02:22] i did aupdate [02:22] and i got this [02:22] Unit193: when i run update it says this : ahttp://paste.ubuntu.com/827199/ [02:23] http://paste.ubuntu.com/827199/ [02:23] needhelp23323, please run 'sudo apt-get check'. that will diagnose the problem [02:23] knome: ok i runned it [02:23] Yes, you did say that, I asked if you were running lucid and knome said "sudo apt-get check ?" (then try runnning in term) [02:23] and it didnt output an error [02:24] have you enabled a PPA for openssh-server? [02:24] knome: i got another question, what would be a faster desktop for my netbook (xubuntu netbook edition) GNOME or ubuntu netbook edition desktop ? [02:25] probably xubuntu, but there is no "xubuntu netbook edition". [02:25] idk it says so [02:25] forgive me if im wrong , kinda new to linux [02:25] no problem, there just isn't a "netbook version" of xubuntu [02:26] ok then its ubuntu netbook edition [02:26] so what would be faster? gnome or UNE desktop ? [02:26] cuz its really weak netbook [02:26] it has 1.6ghz cpu and 1gb ram [02:26] i have no idea, haven't used either. UNE is probably better, since the visuals are designed for netbooks. [02:27] apart from that, i can't help you in that issue [02:27] k [02:27] what about the ssh server ? [02:28] i installed linux ubuntu edition because when i bought this netbook they installed windows7 on it [02:28] and it was reallly sloww [02:28] now its not TOO slow [02:28] okay first of all, slow down [02:28] and listen to what i'm asking :) [02:28] did you enable a PPA for openssh-server ? [02:29] idk whats that PPA [02:29] lol [02:29] your apt-get is telling it's unable to load a key for a PPA [02:30] have you edited /etc/apt/sources.list manually? [02:30] i only added the warmux game into it [02:30] manually? [02:31] from the ubuntu software center [02:31] okay [02:32] u want me to give u the output of 'sudo cat /etc/apt/sources.list' ? [02:33] sure, that would be helpful :) [02:33] http://paste.ubuntu.com/827207/ [02:34] okay... [02:34] weird [02:34] ? [02:35] that ppa comes from somewhere else [02:35] /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ [02:36] Unit193: is a directory [02:36] cant use 'cat' on it [02:36] I know that, that's why I put a slash after :P [02:38] knome: http://paste.ubuntu.com/827208/ [02:39] i'm still wondering how those can fail the openssh-server installation [02:39] yeah this is weird :( [02:39] i guess [02:40] you can try commenting out the ppa's in those .list files [02:40] and trying update again [02:40] commenting out == add a # in start of every line with a URL [02:41] should i just re-install ubuntu [02:41] if you end up in the same situation, that doesn't help much, does it? [02:42] idk how to comment a ppa list =\ [02:42] open the .list -files in a text editor [02:42] and add a # in the beginning of every line with a URL [02:42] you mean the /erc/apt/sources.list ? [02:44] no [02:44] the files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ [02:44] how do i exit the 'nano' editor [02:44] ctrl+o to save, ctrl+x to exit [02:45] (ctrl+o and enter) [02:45] im trying to do it [02:45] it wont exit [02:46] ctrl+o and it asks where to save [02:46] then press enter [02:47] then ctrl+x to exit [02:47] note that you should run with 'sudo nano ...' [02:47] nope it doesnt ask me anything [02:47] maybe because i have another language installed in my ubuntu [02:47] you can edit the files with any other editor as well [02:47] it just output a letter from that language [02:47] eg 'sudo gedit ...' [02:48] gksudo gedit, or gksudo leafpad [02:49] knome: those files in the directory http://paste.ubuntu.com/827208/ , theyre the files of the game 'warmux' and the browser 'chrome' nope ? [02:50] yes, but those seem to be the problem, or at least we're ruling out the probability they are [02:51] knome: so i should only edit the files with the .list extesion or the .save too ? [02:52] only .list [02:52] after we check it should i un-comment em ? [02:53] k i commented 'em [02:53] if they are not the problem, yes, you can then uncomment them [02:53] now try 'sudo apt-get update' and then installing openssh-server [02:53] i was wondering if anyone could help me. im trying to get a wireless modem/router to dial into my pc. [02:54] k i commented 'em, now what should i do ? [02:54] i have read the documentation, but it does not work. [02:54] needhelp23323, run 'sudo apt-get update' and then try installing openssh-server again, as i said [02:54] oh i missed what u said [02:55] sorry [02:55] this client is un-colorful [02:55] knome: i still cant install openssh-server [02:56] same error [02:56] can you pastebin the complete error? [02:56] yup [02:56] http://paste.ubuntu.com/827194/ [02:57] i think it tells me to install openssh-client first ? [02:57] oh it says broken packages [02:58] weird [02:59] hmh. you could of course try to install openssh-client first... [02:59] it wont be a waste of HDD space ? [03:00] no, i think that will be installed anyway [03:00] that should be installed by default though, i think... [03:00] ok when i run the install command itsays openssh-client is already the newest version [03:01] right. [03:01] sudo apt-get upgrade? [03:01] 0upgraded 0 newly installed [03:02] i'm out of ideas for now... [03:02] Unit193, ? [03:02] :( [03:04] Try: sudo dpkg --configure -a; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get clean [03:04] what it does ? [03:05] After that, try upgrade again [03:05] tries to fix the broken packages [03:05] knome: Also, try switching him from that local repo to another one [03:05] or actually, just reconfigure everything :) [03:05] it's 5am o.o [03:05] and i need to wake up in 6 hours.. [03:05] :D [03:06] Unit193: k i done all [03:06] now what? [03:07] awesome, it worked. do you guys know what the minimum clock speed is for 11.10? [03:07] knome: where u from ? [03:07] needhelp23323, finland [03:07] weird , its 5am here too [03:07] mbrown9412, it's one minute in minute [03:07] well, processor speed [03:08] needhelp23323: That help any? [03:08] mhz [03:08] just kidding;) [03:08] Unit193: nope [03:08] brain fart on the term [03:08] : D [03:08] mbrown9412, probably something more than 500 [03:08] i have an old emac, and its too slow to even start [03:09] knome: how come we have the same time zone lol [03:09] so im going to try changing the variable with open frameworko [03:09] firmware [03:09] needhelp23323, that happens :) [03:09] emac is 1ghz, so more than that? [03:10] knome: maybe u lied Xd cause our countries very far [03:10] :P [03:10] mbrown9412, i think that should work :) [03:11] needhelp23323, err. countries north/south from each other can share the timezone. [03:11] well it at least thinks 1 is too slow. it prints "LOAD-SIZE is too small" [03:11] mbrown9412, hmmh. [03:11] Welp, you can change your sources location, could be out of sync [03:11] knome: You want to help him do that? :P [03:12] i'm still trying to get to bed :) [03:13] !chrepo |Right one? :P [03:13] Right one? :P: Enable the standard Ubuntu repositories by going to System > Administration > Software Sources - See !repositories for detailed information [03:13] Unit193 , knome thats weird because its fresh ubuntu , just installed few hours ago [03:14] a la: http://blandname.com/2008/07/29/install-mac-os-x-leopard-on-a-g4-800mhz-quicksilver/ [03:16] needhelp23323, just for future reference, this is the *Xubuntu* support channel [03:16] needhelp23323, there is more people at #ubuntu [03:16] needhelp23323, and that's the correct channel for *Ubuntu* support [03:17] i know [03:17] but i cant send messages to this channel [03:17] it says : cannot send : #ubuntu [03:21] needhelp23323: quit and rejoin the channel... i dont see you in there [03:23] holstein: it wont let me enter [03:23] needhelp23323, that's because you are banned from the channel [03:23] yeah... that'll do it [03:23] why? [03:24] needhelp23323, please join #ubuntu-ops [05:27] hi guys, I'm really new to Ubuntu and IRC, so sorry if I'm doing this wrong [05:27] but I could use a little help with something if someone doesn't mind [05:27] blastedx: no worries.. just go ahead and ask :) [05:27] ok cool, thanks lol [05:28] i've just installed Xubuntu a couple hours ago and got it all working [05:28] i had some trouble with the wifi and eventually found some helpful instructions but... [05:28] I need to reinstall the driver everytime i log on [05:28] is that normal for ubuntu? [05:30] well, its not normal for what i have encountered with the hardware im using.. how did you install what driver for what device on what machine running what verion of xubuntu? [05:32] Ok, I've got a home built Frankenputer, with a Gigabyte board the g31m-es2l, my WiFi adapter is a Linksys AE1000 and I found a driver for it and some install instructions, one sec and I'll get the file name of the driver and I'll copy the instructions i followed [05:33] Here is the driver, it came as a zip file 2010_0915_RT3572_Linux_STA_v2.4.0.2 [05:33] yeah, i need to see the link [05:33] and the 3 commands I entered to use it make [05:33] sudo make install [05:33] sudo modprobe rt3572sta [05:33] if you have it [05:34] oh the link, um I dont have it, i DL'd it with my other PC [05:35] ok... [05:35] im not sure where you got that driver though.. there should be a readme somewhere [05:35] you can script anything you need at startup though [05:35] i guess it's a repack or something, i really know nothing at all about ubuntu lol [05:36] i say, if you are new, just deal with it for a bit, and something will materialize for you [05:36] haha probably pretty decent advice actually [05:36] is everything done with these "sudo" commands? [05:36] blastedx: sudo allows you to run things as root pretty much [05:37] root is allowed to do anything [05:37] thats what i personally really like about *nix's like linux and *buntu [05:37] oh i get it, i made my user an admin user though, shouldn;t that do the same thing? [05:37] thats one place where the security we always talk about really shines [05:38] blastedx: how did you make your user an admin? [05:38] you mean a sudoer? [05:38] Uh... 1 sec, i gotta go retrace my steps lol, unfamiliar territory :) [05:38] blastedx: again.. i say do what you like, and learn as you go, but, take it easy to [05:39] you can come here *first* and say "im lookin at making my user an admin" [05:39] and i can tell you why you shouldnt do that [05:39] ok, i went to the little button in the corner, hit settings, then users, and changed my account type [05:39] instead of dealing with the potential security issues you could be coming up with [05:39] why shouldnt i though? I'm always open to good advice [05:39] and the system instabilities that *could* be causing the driver issue [05:39] oh sorry, lol im typin too slow [05:40] blastedx: its better to ask, why should you? [05:40] why should your normal user be allowed to execute code as root? [05:40] that synaptic doodad keeps saying that it's opening without admin priveleges and won't let me make changes [05:40] a simple web browser then becomes a window to your entire system [05:40] i see what you mean [05:41] blastedx: you come here and ask [05:41] you can run in a terminal.. [05:41] gksudo synaptic [05:41] what does the gk mean? [05:41] as opposed to just sudo [05:41] you *dont* want to be running anything more than necessarly as root [05:41] blastedx: think of that as grahpical sudo [05:41] graphical* [05:41] oh like a gui? [05:42] synaptic is a GUI [05:42] and you want to run that as root [05:42] sudo synaptic will work fine as well though [05:42] http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo explains it well [05:42] Better to do gksudo [05:42] oh ok cool, i'll check that link out [05:43] *not* running everything as admin is really the first thing that give linux the edge over some of the other OS's such as windows [05:43] not that you cant do that in windows, its just more challenging and easier to get around [05:44] alright, thanks for the help buddy :) [05:44] blastedx: sure :) [05:44] I'm gonna go cruise some forums [05:44] see ya next time [09:54] Hello everybody. I am testing Xubunt to see if I like it. One thing I noticed is the behaviour of dragging and dropping files on the desktop and in thunar differs from most distributions. When I drag and drop a file into a folder, it is copied instead of moved. Is this standard behaviour or a bug? And is there a way to change that? [10:00] pjotter, don't really see it as a problem [10:01] No, I don' t. But I am just wondering if this is the way it is designed. Or if it is some bug? [10:01] pjotter: You can search for bug reports on launchpad, but hitting shift works [10:02] Yes, I just noticed :) [10:02] It is just a different way of operating for me. [10:02] I was used to default 'moving' files while dragging and dropping them [10:03] But I can get used to this, I guess. [10:56] hello [11:28] Hello everyone. I am just testing Xubuntu at the moment and I noticed that Thunar has some really weird behaviour. Especially when dragging dropping files from en to the desktop. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it don't. Sometimes the folder is copied, then ,all over sudden the folder, is moved. At one point I also couldn't create new files or folders anymore. It just didn't work. I woulod like to make a bug report, but the bugs I encounter [11:29] What sometimes works is to just close and reopen thunar again. [11:32] Sometimes a file that is moved (with shift) to the desktop gets invisible on the desktop. [11:32] I don't know, guys. This thing seems very buggy to me. [11:32] well it isnt buggy for me [11:32] u using liveCD? [11:32] How come I have all these problem? [11:32] No, a clean install 11.10 [11:33] What version do you run? [11:33] same [11:33] theoretically thunar moves the file or folder if the destination is on the same device [11:33] I constantly run into these kinds of problems with thunar. [11:33] and copies it if the destination is another device [11:34] or partition [11:34] If i create a foilder on my desktop and a file. And I open the folder with thunar and drag the file into the folder, the file gets copied. Not moved. [11:35] hold on ill try [11:35] yes [11:35] This also goes for folders. [11:36] and if you look close enough you can see a white + near the cursor [11:36] indicating that this action will add something [11:37] So the desktop is not a "same device"? [11:37] no i was wrong [11:37] I don't get it. It seems very inconsistent. [11:37] Oh, ok. [11:37] what I said is the way Windows works [11:37] I thought Thunar uses the same, but no [11:38] drag&drop will always copy the file [11:38] I didn't know this until now as I always use ctrl+c or x [11:39] But that is not really my problem. I can live with that. It is, when I start copying, dragging and dropping folders and fiiles into onw another. Weird stuff starts to happen. Very inconsistent behaviour. Sometimes it refuses to copy folders/files. Sometimes it does. And when it does, sometimes, the folders/files are moved and sometimes they are copied. [11:39] hm [11:40] depending on the folder you may not have write permission [11:40] I already lost a backup because of this. Beacuase I thought it had copied it to a folder. But as it turns out, it didn't. [11:40] I just created them on the desktop. I don't do anything with permissions and such. [11:41] how is ur computer partitioned? [11:41] Completely standrad, out of the box [11:41] It is very straight forward. Just create some folders and files on the desktop and start dragging and dropping. [11:42] But that would not even matter beacuse I am not copying form one partition to the other. All these errors occur while copying on the desktop itself. [11:42] so u mean u have a swap and the rest of the HDD is EXT4 for Linux? [11:42] Yes, I used the "use whole disk" option during the installation. [11:43] This is a longshot, but maybe this has something to do with the fact that I use a wacom pen tablet instead of a mouse? I can't imagine this being the problem.. [11:44] ohh [11:44] well that may cause the problem [11:44] tried with mouse? [11:46] I just fetched a mouse. I will give it a try. Hang on. [11:48] nope, same problems [11:49] hm well thats weird [11:50] try using ctrl+c and ctrl+v [11:50] I did this: 1) Create a folder on desktop. 2) Create a file on desktop. 3) Open Folder with thunar. 3) Move file to folder, using shift button. 4) Move file from folder to desktop, using shift button -> fails. Tried several times. [11:51] Even just trying to copy them back tot desktoptop fails. [11:51] well it worked for me [11:51] It is a mystery [11:51] does it give you any errormessage? [11:51] no [11:52] This is all done in GUI [11:52] ik [11:52] but how you know it fails? [11:52] it just dont move? [11:52] Because the files don't move. They stay inside the folder and do not get copied to the desktop. [11:53] try with ctrl+x and ctrl+v [11:54] Doesn't work [11:54] I also tried copy paste from the mouse right click button [11:54] well that is a mystery indeed [11:54] And this is just one of the problems I have. [11:57] what are the others? [11:57] If I stay within Thunar, every seems to work fine. It is when you start to drag and drop between Thunar and the desktop, things go wrong. [11:58] The others are that sometimes, when I do get to copy a folder or file. The folder or files gets either randomlly copied or moved. I have no control over that. [12:00] It is like I said. The errors seem to be very random. It is hard to give you something you could reproduce. It happens when I just just fiddel around, copying, dragging and dropping files in and out from Thunar unto the desktop. [12:01] Ok, so now I can't creat new files and folders anymore. This sometimes happens also. [12:02] well then dont use the desktop [12:03]