[00:00] <zzecool> Below the 8th line where it says "Lancher icon size"
[00:00] <zzecool> are some options about the reistance etc
[00:00] <rocky> yep
[00:00] <zzecool> hover the mouse over them
[00:00] <zzecool> to see the description
[00:00] <zzecool> read the description and try different settings
[00:01] <zzecool> to fit you
[00:01] <rocky> yep they make s ense
[00:01] <rocky> thanks!
[00:01] <zzecool> if you mess up
[00:01] <zzecool> with them
[00:01] <zzecool> you can always reset
[00:01] <zzecool> to the default using ... let me see
[00:02] <zzecool> the icon next to the pen icon
[00:02] <zzecool> on the right of every option
[00:02] <zzecool> did you get it ?
[00:03] <rocky> yep thanks
[00:03] <zzecool> Be careful with the CCSM becuse it may change your default experience
[00:03] <zzecool> to something that you dont like
[00:03] <rocky> right
[00:03] <zzecool> an vice versa if you know what are you doing it can make things go crazy =)
[00:04] <zzecool> have fun
[00:05] <rocky> now if only i could get the second launcher on the right of my second display lol
[00:05] <zzecool> rocky: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/    and http://www.webupd8.org/ are 2 very good daily blogs with tips and tricks that may help you
[00:05] <zzecool> hehe
[00:05] <zzecool> i dont thing it cn be done right now
[00:05] <zzecool> :)
[00:05] <zzecool> maybe in the future
[00:06] <rocky> well it's pretty silly to have it on the left edge of my right monitor
[00:06] <FernandoMiguel> nite
[00:06] <zzecool> yes it is i agree
[00:06] <zzecool> FernandoMiguel: nite
[00:06] <rocky> i also wish i could disable the top bar on my right screen
[00:06] <rocky> duplicating it is a waste of screen real estate
[00:06] <zzecool> true story
[00:07] <zzecool> but some ppl are using multimonitors as main
[00:07] <zzecool> so they need those features
[00:07] <zzecool> what are you describe fits to a let say graphic designer
[00:08] <rocky> right... i was mentioning earlier that i know gnome likes less-config-is-good ... but i believe a little bit more config would be better :)
[00:08] <zzecool> to have on the second monitor the whole image
[00:08] <zzecool> and editing on the other
[00:08] <rocky> right... i'm a software developer and i like the extra screen real estate
[00:09] <zzecool> hmm
[00:09] <zzecool> you can report this as a bug
[00:10] <zzecool> and fil in the description what you told me
[00:10] <zzecool> do you have a launchpad account?
[00:10] <rocky> yep
[00:10] <zzecool> nice
[00:10] <zzecool> then
[00:10] <zzecool> open a terminal
[00:11] <zzecool> and type " ubuntu-bug unity "
[00:11] <zzecool> its gonna take same log and redirect you to the launchpad on the unity project to fill in the bug
[00:12] <zzecool> it doesnt matter if it is a wish
[00:12] <zzecool> or an actual bug
[00:12] <zzecool> you gonna fill in the description exactly what you said to me
[00:12] <zzecool> :)
[00:12] <rocky> :)
[00:12] <zzecool> and maybe more developer would have the same idea with you
[00:13] <zzecool> i will support you bug :)
[00:13] <rocky> hehe so which one, the top menu bar thing or the launcher thing?
[00:13] <zzecool> both
[00:13] <zzecool> or you can make one report
[00:13] <zzecool> for everyone
[00:14] <zzecool> every one
[00:15] <zzecool> rocky: read this post
[00:15] <zzecool> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/02/unity-52-released-with-multi-monitor.html#disqus_thread
[00:16] <zzecool> its explains why they put a launcher on every monitor
[00:16] <zzecool> rocky: im oin to sleep goodnight and good luck
[04:01] <tempo> is there a way to revert to the stable versions of firefox and thunderbird in 12.04 alpha?
[07:10] <aBound> Hey to those using 12.04 Alpha 2 is Compiz stable enough to use or is it still unstable?
[07:12] <urlin2u> aBound, what makes you think compiz is unstable?
[07:12] <aBound> urlin2u, Very simple it nonetheless crashes and is unstable for 11.10 and this post regards it as being buggy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1915533
[07:13] <aBound> :P
[07:13] <aBound> When enabling desktop cube on 11.10 on my system. My entire GUI disappears and the only way to recover it is by rebooting as opening a terminal doesn't respond.
[07:14] <urlin2u> basically it is in development if you want a stable system don't use a development
[07:14] <aBound> I used Compiz on 10.04.3 LTS beforehand and it prevented me from logging in.
[07:14] <aBound> Yet, it did work flawlessly.
[07:15] <urlin2u> aBound, lots of web links on getting the cube working, I have it with only a loss of the window headers onoccasion fixed with a compiz restart.
[07:15] <aBound> urlin2u, I read on the Ubuntu Software Center on how to enable cube but figures if I disable the Unity plugin I'd have no way to re-enable as far as I know.
[07:15] <urlin2u> 10.04 and 11.10 unity are different beasts
[07:16] <aBound> 10.04 LTS uses Gnome 2.
[07:16] <aBound> :P
[07:16] <aBound> I'm just hoping 12.04 LTS will have it fixed in some regard.
[07:16] <aBound> I can't live without Compiz haha.
[07:16] <urlin2u> don't hold your breath
[07:17] <aBound> urlin2u, I got a question for you I don't know if you use the Compiz wallpaper plugin. But if you do is it stable for you?
[07:17] <urlin2u> compiz is easily dealt with you just have to know how to do it.
[07:17] <urlin2u> I don't use that plugin.
[07:17] <aBound> Ahh...
[07:18] <aBound> Thinking of giving it a try let's just hope I don't break my system.
[07:18] <urlin2u> aBound, do a secondary install.
[07:19] <urlin2u> just dual boot your working ubuntu with the one you want, and get it running
[07:21] <aBound> I'd figure using virtualbox might be a better option.
[07:21] <aBound> brb
[07:22] <urlin2u> if you can get it running I find ubuntu does not run all that well in a virtual, and your subject to its drivers, but that is just me.
[07:22] <aBound> Well, I gave it a try and I enabled it and honestly I had no idea how to change the wallpaper.
[07:22] <aBound> Oh well.
[07:23] <urlin2u> yeah all you can do is try and ask questions and scour the web. :)
[07:23] <aBound> Indeed, wish they had some tutorials online written in a book stylish form. Whereas the grammar wasn't so poor.
[07:24] <aBound> urlin2u, Alrighty thanks for the help I'm going to take off and head to wonderland. :P
[07:24] <urlin2u> you trying to get backgrounds per virtual desk?top
[07:24] <urlin2u> good luck
[09:34] <crizzy> does update manager keep ANY kind of useful log? :/
[09:36] <crizzy> nvmn, solved
[11:43] <zniavre> !notunity
[13:16] <crizzy> any idea what's new in input cs 11.10?
[13:16] <crizzy> my mouse scroll works totally randomly since the update :/
[13:23] <crizzy> anyone? ideas? :/
[13:23] <crizzy> the scroll just fails to respond
[13:26] <crizzy> input queue seems to fill up somehow
[13:26] <crizzy> if i bang kb keys, the scroll gets frozen
[13:26] <crizzy> wait a bit.. works a gain
[13:27] <crizzy> probably some gnussolini again thought it's a great idea to rewrite some crucial input api
[13:27] <crizzy> even it worked perfectly before
[13:31] <penguin42> crizzy: Yeh I'm seeing something odd with it
[13:31] <penguin42> oh, 11.10 - no 11.10 is in <---- #ubuntu
[13:32] <crizzy> yes yes i meant it broke after upgrading to 12.04
[13:32] <penguin42> ah yes, so for me vertical scroll is being very random, I keep scrolling down and it'll suddenly pop back to the top
[13:33] <crizzy> this very much looks like some input queue fills
[13:33] <jtaylor> hm thunderbird 11 still does not get my multi identity configuration ._.
[13:33] <jtaylor> has this feature been dropped? :O
[13:33] <crizzy> incredibly annoying as it destroys my gaming for quakelive & warsow
[13:33] <crizzy> (weps binded in mouse mwheelup+down)
[13:34] <crizzy> i don't get how bug like this can even be possible, amazing!
[13:35] <penguin42> crizzy: Oh the best bugs are the ones that are obviously impossible; no one will ever have thought to be careful not to code them!
[13:35] <crizzy> and just to dumb-check with second mouse, no the mouse did not suddenly break :P
[13:35] <penguin42> crizzy: Can you describe what behaviour you see?
[13:36] <crizzy> scroll doesn't respond
[13:36] <penguin42> at all?
[13:36] <crizzy> quite simply put
[13:36] <crizzy> yes
[13:36] <jo-erlend> jtaylor, I'm using multiple identities, so I'm looking at it now.
[13:36] <crizzy> like
[13:36] <crizzy> well it does
[13:36] <crizzy> but press kb keys, click a lot, etc -> it dies
[13:36] <crizzy> wait 1-2 sec = works again
[13:37] <crizzy> scroll a lot -> dies
[13:37] <crizzy> wait 1-2 sec
[13:37] <crizzy> works again
[13:37] <jtaylor> jo-erlend: are you reusing a profile from 9?
[13:37] <crizzy> _bizarre_
[13:37] <jo-erlend> I think so, yes.
[13:37] <jtaylor> or did you reconfigure it?
[13:37] <jtaylor> great so now I have to reconfigure my settings on every thunderbird update? = every 6 weeks?
[13:37] <penguin42> crizzy: Interesting - not that I'm seeing here
[13:37] <jo-erlend> jtaylor, I'm not entirely sure to be honest.
[13:38] <crizzy> penguin42: it's probably not that easy to see on the desktop
[13:38] <crizzy> but very visible annoyance in games if you happen to use scroll there
[13:38] <jo-erlend> jtaylor,  I haven't even finished downloading it yet. I don't understand how you reached that conclusion if that was a response to me.
[13:38] <crizzy> sigh, guess i'm doomed to boot to windows to play
[13:38] <penguin42> crizzy: I think I'd notice that behaviour
[13:38] <crizzy> .. which means i will stay there too :P
[13:38] <penguin42> crizzy: Please submit a bug and tell us the bug number
[13:41] <jo-erlend> jtaylor, I do see my identifies in the composer, for instance. Can you explain in more detail?
[13:42] <jtaylor> Ihave no identities and my second account is gone
[13:42] <jtaylor> works fine with the same profile in oneiric
[13:42] <jo-erlend> oh, ok. I didn't upgrade this from oneiric.
[13:43] <jo-erlend> well, I did, but I didn't create the new identities in oneiric.
[13:43] <jo-erlend> btw; isn't both tbird and fx 11 esr versions?
[13:44] <crizzy> must be something to do with DGA
[13:44] <jtaylor> no idea what esr is, it was also broken in 10
[13:44] <crizzy> disabling DGA input in-game and works fine
[13:44] <jtaylor> I should change to some other client, breaking my plugins every release is bad enough :/
[13:44] <crizzy> although it's unplayable otherwise.. but.. scroll works
[13:46] <jo-erlend> jtaylor, Mozillas reply to LTS.. Extended Support Release. Yearly upgrades instead of high frequency releases.
[13:46] <crizzy> iiinteresting
[13:47] <jo-erlend> I'm not sure about tbird, but at least Firefox shouldn't have to be upgraded so often anymore.
[13:48] <jo-erlend> that's version 10, actually, for both Firefox and Thunderbird… Strange that we use 11 then.
[13:48] <penguin42> jo-erlend: That'll be good - the current FF upgrade numbering is causing work stuff a complete nightmare
[13:48] <jo-erlend> mhm.
[13:49] <penguin42> (Mostly because of badly written websites but doesn't help)
[13:50] <crizzy> is there a way to install package with *apt-get* so it ignores deps?
[13:51] <crizzy> or just download it
[13:51] <crizzy> installing 32bit package of libxxf86dga1 with apt-get wants to remove xorg :P
[13:52] <jo-erlend> crizzy, --download-only will download the packages without installing them. But you can't install conflicting packages anyway.
[13:52] <crizzy> i know exactly what this package does and that 32bit version in 32bit lib dir doesn't conflict with anyone
[13:52] <crizzy> whoever has packaged this has just failed
[13:53] <jo-erlend> filed it?
[13:53] <yofel> it's not that anyone has failed
[13:53] <yofel> libxxf86dga1 doesn't support multiarch
[13:53] <yofel> file a bug
[13:54] <crizzy> either way: http://pastebin.com/by2X7Jwv this makes no sense
[13:54] <yofel> looks reasonably to me
[13:54] <yofel> *reasonable
[13:54] <crizzy> not to me
[13:55] <yofel> they all depend on libxxf86dga1:amd64
[13:55] <crizzy> yes
[13:55] <yofel> which is going to be removed
[13:55] <crizzy> and why it's going to be removed
[13:55] <crizzy> i only want additional lib to /usr/lib32 for 32bit apps
[13:55] <yofel> libxxf86dga1:amd64 and libxxf86dga1:i386 aren't installable at the same time
[13:55] <jo-erlend> crizzy, there are good reasons not to use 64bit libs when they're not needed.
[13:56] <crizzy> the issue is i want to run 32bit app which requires this, and obviously it won't work against 64bit build of dga
[13:56] <yofel> crizzy: well, but they both install in /usr/lib/ - not /usr/lib64 or lib32
[13:56] <crizzy> yofel: yes, and before multiarch this wasn't the case :/
[13:57] <yofel> well, as we said: file a bug
[14:00] <jo-erlend> man, I love push-to-reveal in Unity 5.2.
[14:01] <jtaylor> :( playing a video still crashes my X :(
[14:02] <crizzy> what's push-to-reveal
[14:02] <jtaylor> can you disable the second unity panel on a dual screen setup?
[14:09] <penguin42> jtaylor: Which driver?
[14:10] <jtaylor> fglrx
[14:11] <penguin42> ah, I use the open one
[15:24] <jo-erlend> crizzy, push-to-reveal (I think they call it that) is that you need to push the mouse pointer into the side of the screen to reveal the launcher. New in Unity 5.2 from yesterday.
[15:24] <jo-erlend> ... or so.
[15:25] <jtaylor> and very annoying with multiple screens :/
[15:26] <jtaylor> you have to push your way through the launcher to the second screen
[15:26] <jo-erlend> oh? I haven't tried that yet. But that's what I really wanted it for, to have a semi-divider  between screens.
[15:26] <jo-erlend> ah. That's perfect! :)
[15:27] <jtaylor> it messes badly with my habits
[15:27] <jo-erlend> I had to remove my graphics card in order to use some extra internal disks, so I only have one monitor output temporarily. :)
[15:27] <jtaylor> I now have to swing my mouse over the whole table with great speed to get it to the second screen reliably :(
[15:27] <jo-erlend> jtaylor, yes, it does take a little time to get used to.
[15:27] <jo-erlend> jtaylor, no..?
[15:28] <jo-erlend> but another idea of mine was that we could have some sort of mousepointer teleport. That might be nice.
[15:30] <jo-erlend> jtaylor, but is the launcher displayed on all screens now?
[15:30] <jtaylor> yes
[15:30] <jtaylor> though I cover it up at all times
[15:30] <jo-erlend> cover it up?
[15:30] <jtaylor> don't really need that thing
[15:31] <jo-erlend> I like it for the information, such as the number of unread mails, copy progress, etc.
[15:31] <jo-erlend> and as a reminder for which shortcuts are currently active.
[15:38] <jo-erlend> the "speedbump" wouldn't have to be quite as severe, I think.
[15:43]  * snadge running precise @ 4.4ghz :P
[15:43] <snadge> 8 cores
[15:46] <penguin42> snadge: Nice
[15:47] <penguin42> 2x4 core?
[15:50] <snadge> nah.. bulldozer 8150
[15:50] <snadge> octocore
[15:50] <penguin42> snadge: Oh, I didn't realise you could clock them that high - they're cheap as well!
[15:51] <jtaylor> that supports avx doesn't it?
[15:52] <snadge> i believe so
[15:52] <snadge>  /proc/cpuinfo indicates as such
[15:52] <penguin42> snadge: Stop it - you're making me i7 feel jealous!
[15:53] <snadge> the hilarious part is.. its a stock cpu cooler, and antec sonata IV case (mid tower) with a single case fan
[15:53] <astraljava> How much is cheap?
[15:53] <penguin42> astraljava: Seems to be about £200 UK
[15:53] <jtaylor> you should custom build your atlas, that will nicely speed up your numerical processing :)
[15:53] <astraljava> Ok.
[15:54] <penguin42> snadge: difficult to overclock?
[15:54] <snadge> not really.. it depends how far you want to go
[15:54] <snadge> people who have superior cooling (ie not stock, and a case designed for overclocking)
[15:54] <snadge> can get up to 5ghz on air (allegedly)
[15:55] <penguin42> still, even without overclocking it's not bad
[15:56] <snadge> kind of.. stock, it runs at 3.6ghz.. with a 4.2ghz turbo
[15:56] <snadge> its trivial to turn turbo off.. and manually set it to 4.2ghz, with a very minor voltage bump
[15:59] <snadge> above 4.4ghz, doesnt seem worth it imho
[15:59] <penguin42> snadge: Nod, you want to keep it stable
[15:59] <snadge> that and, power consumption goes through the roof.. with negligable benefit
[16:00] <tsurc> Hi, Im testing out 12.04 and I'm having problems with IPv6. IPv6 Router Advertisements are not accepted. I can see them in wireshark and manually configing an IPv6 address works fine. where can I start?
[16:02] <tsurc> is this linked to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/80279
[16:04] <penguin42> tsurc: Those are very very old bugs
[16:04] <penguin42> tsurc: Probably better to have a new bug
[16:07] <tsurc> I'd like to have a crack diagnosing this further (further than "it doesnt work automatic, it works manual, and I can see advertisments") Could anyone point me in the right direction to learn how?
[16:10] <penguin42> tsurc: I don't know much ipv6 stuff, but the two places I'd look would either be the kernel or network manager
[16:24] <jo-erlend> didn't we have a way to open a new instance from the launcher by holding shift and left-clicking or something?
[16:24] <jtaylor> right click gives that option
[16:30] <jo-erlend> I mean directly.
[16:30] <jo-erlend> I mean a keyboard modifier to make a left click act as a middle click.
[16:55] <EagleScreen> is having a working Bluetooth in Precise Pangolin a low priority matter?
[16:55] <penguin42> EagleScreen: I don't think so
[16:56] <BluesKaj> hey all
[16:56] <EagleScreen> then why LP Bug #891444 has low prioroty?
[16:57] <EagleScreen> can anyone use the Bluetooth in Ubuntu 11.04, 11.10 or 12.04 ??
[16:58] <penguin42> EagleScreen: Hmm you could ask seb why he set it to low, my reading of Bugs/Importance would put that as a Medium
[16:58] <penguin42> EagleScreen: If it stopped you using a BT keyboard/mouse I'd probably put it high
[16:58] <pangolin> EagleScreen: you would be better off asking your specific questions and giving relevant details about what you are experiencing.
[17:01] <EagleScreen> Unfortunately, i haven't bluetooth hardware like keyboard or mouse to test, but i am pretty sure that this bug breaks them too
[17:01] <EagleScreen> can anyone test this?
[17:02] <penguin42> me neither
[17:09] <albert23> EagleScreen: I just connected my bt mouse on precise, no problems
[17:10] <EagleScreen> thanks albert23
[17:11] <EagleScreen> this bug may be hardware specific related, but also gnome-bluetooth related, because the Bluetooth works well in Gnome 2.30 and also in KDE
[17:12] <penguin42> EagleScreen: Probably worth trying whatever bt commandline tools there are
[17:12] <EagleScreen> but i have seen this bug in two completly different computers
[17:15] <penguin42> EagleScreen: I guess if it just affects certain mobiles for example it's a lower priority bug than say keyboard/mouse
[17:23] <EagleScreen> I only have phones to test...
[17:25] <penguin42> yeh same here
[17:34] <penguin42> EagleScreen: I think that's one reason it might be 'low' - people just don't use BT as much as they once did
[19:08] <gnomefreak> how do i stop update-manger from loading when i run updates in term.
[19:08] <gnomefreak> s/update-manger/update-manager
[19:12] <gnomefreak> it seems the option to not show it/turn it off/hide is no longer around
[20:10] <aguitel> are nvidia-173 working in precise ?
[20:13] <aguitel> i need to run geoforce fx 5500
[20:51] <revimail> hi, I have a problem with apt-get and wpasupplicant:  pastebin.com/t1Zpgh1m  http://pastebin.com/qVTYHwxQ does someone have an idea?
[21:18] <obelus> revimail, sorry, only just got back, you might have better luck in #ubuntu-de or #ubuntu-de+1. I can't even read what those messages say.
[21:19] <revimail> obelus me neither :-D thanks for looking though
[21:19] <obelus> Wait, if you can't read it.. why is your system in German? lol
[21:19] <yofel> hm, works here
[21:20] <yofel> revimail: tip, run: sudo LANG=C apt... if you need it in english
[21:20] <yofel> but that seems some /run messup
[21:20] <yofel> *seems like
[21:21] <yofel> revimail: can you run: sudo dpkg --purge --force-depends wpasupplicant
[21:21] <yofel> and install it again?
[21:21] <revimail> obelus, I do speak german, but I dont get the german bash messages
[21:23] <revimail> yofel, yes just did it: /etc/wpas_upplicant is not empty and will not be deleted
[21:24] <yofel> should be ok, as long as the other error goes away
[21:24] <revimail> do I need to reinstall it now?
[21:24] <yofel> yes
[21:25] <revimail> I get the same error after sudo apt-get install wpasupplicant
[21:26] <yofel> hm
[21:28] <yofel> can you delete the file in /run and try to configure it again?
[21:28] <yofel> seems like all it does is move the files from the old place to /run
[21:31] <albert23> unfortunately, /lib/init/rw is a symlink to /run, so source and destination are the same file
[21:32] <revimail> I removed it reconfigured it and reinstalled it, this time, there were no errors
[21:32] <yofel> oh, indeed -.-
[21:37] <revimail> I have some serious troubles with wlan connection (atheros 9380, precise pangolin) and dont know, what causes it. What is the best procedure to find the problems?
[21:42] <yofel> network manager puts the log output into /var/log/syslog, so you could run 'tail -f /var/log/syslog' in a terminal and keep watching it when you have wifi problems
[21:44] <revimail> yofel I dont have a DE will it work anyway?
[21:45] <yofel> that'll work as long as you're using network manager. If you use something else look where that puts its logs. Driver messages should end up in dmesg
[21:46]  * yofel wonders why firefox would try to access a graphics card o.O
[21:46] <yofel> [26481.959879] type=1400 audit(1328391575.597:65): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" parent=9648 profile="/usr/lib/firefox-11.0/firefox{,*[^s][^h]}" name="/dev/nvidiactl" pid=9651 comm="firefox" requested_mask="rw" denied_mask="rw" fsuid=1000 ouid=0
[21:46] <jtaylor> because of webgl
[21:46] <yofel> ah
[21:47] <aguitel> are nvidia-173 working in precise ?
[21:47] <penguin42> sigh, I hate to think what it can do from that poiint on
[22:04] <bjsnider> aguitel, haven't we been over this ground before?
[22:05] <aguitel> bjsnider, yes
[22:05] <bjsnider> then why are you continuing to ask?
[22:06] <aguitel> bjsnider, because with upgrade from last week it is not working
[22:06] <bjsnider> here's what we can do about it if it doesn't work:
[22:06] <pangolin> so try installing and find out
[22:06] <bjsnider> jack squat
[22:06] <bjsnider> that driver is developed by nvidia, not us
[22:07] <aguitel> yes i know
[22:07] <aguitel> in debian testing there is conflict with nvidia-173 and xorg version 1.11
[22:08] <bjsnider> of course
[22:08] <aguitel> and the debian retire this package from testing
[22:08] <bjsnider> because the nvidia driver has to provide xserver-xorg, and it doesn't provide that one yet
[22:08] <bjsnider> nvidia will update the driver someday
[22:09] <bjsnider> but it's not high on their list of priorities
[22:09] <aguitel> but in ubuntu precise remain the package
[22:09] <aguitel> this is why i ask
[22:11] <bjsnider> even when they update it, all they have time to do is make sure it isn't blocked by a newer xserver
[22:11] <bjsnider> you could try the "abi ignore" thing in xorg.conf
[22:12] <bjsnider> assuming that's even why it's failing
[22:14] <bjsnider> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6470552&postcount=9
[22:14] <bjsnider> you could try the ignoreabi thing that's in italics there
[22:14] <bjsnider> it probably won't work
[22:15] <bjsnider> but there's no harm in trying
[22:15] <aguitel> ok
[22:26] <ryaxnb_> mm,, upgrading to precise pangolin
[22:26] <ryaxnb_> how do i add PPAs after install?
[22:28] <pangolin> edit /etc/sources.list
[22:28] <pangolin> err /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:28] <ryaxnb_> ah
[22:28] <ryaxnb_> hi pangolin
[22:29] <ryaxnb_> i know you
[22:29] <pangolin> heh :)
[22:29] <ryaxnb_> you used to be idleone
[22:29] <pangolin> you do.
[22:29] <pangolin> I still am
[22:29] <ryaxnb_>  back in the good day
[22:29] <ryaxnb_> you're not very idle now
[22:29] <ryaxnb_> so no
[22:29] <pangolin> I saw a familar face and decide to give a hand :P
[22:29] <pangolin> ryaxnb_: idleOne is more than a nick.
[22:30] <ryaxnb_> in what way
[22:30] <pangolin> I am IdleOne
[22:30] <ryaxnb_> ryaxnb is more than a nick because i use it everywhere
[23:13] <skierpage> To upgrade *Kubuntu* 11.10, http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?57044-Upgrading-11-10-to-12-04 suggests `sudo do-release-upgrade -f kde -d` , but console shows "can't load kde (No module named kde)" and it puts up a Gnome UI.
[23:44] <penguin42> skierpage: I'd just do sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[23:51] <skierpage> penguin42, I think that would do basically the same, just without the warning. There's no mention so far of KDE or Kubuntu, maybe I'll get Unity 8-o
[23:52] <penguin42> skierpage: Upgrading kubuntu gets kubuntu, I think the only difference here is the UI for the upgrade manager
[23:58] <skierpage> penguin42, thanks for the reassurance. The upgrade says it's going to newly-install a bunch of gtk2/gdk packages (and IcedTea Java!), I assume they're just new or excessive dependencies.
[23:58] <penguin42> skierpage: Yeh I think so
[23:59] <penguin42> skierpage: as long as kubuntu-desktop is installed all the KDE magic should get updated
[23:59] <skierpage> penguin42 Oh yeah, 1380 packages to Upgrade, including a lot of KDE stuff.