[00:07] <artao> sooooo
[00:08] <artao> dual-head display .. i used grandr to set up my monitors as an extended desktop .. now how do i get the system to remember that on reboot?
[00:10] <astraljava> artao: These days xserver does a lot of auto-detection. But if it fails, you're still going to have to write the /etc/X11/xorg.conf to make the settings stick.
[00:11] <artao> ah
[00:11] <artao> k
[00:12] <astraljava> artao: Or, you can do what I did.
[00:12] <astraljava> Wait, grandr is a GUI?
[00:12] <astraljava> Well it shouldn't matter.
[00:12] <astraljava> It commands xrandr anyway.
[00:13] <artao> ja
[00:13] <astraljava> You just need to find out what's the command it gives, and write that into a script. Then run that script at login time.
[00:13] <artao> drag and drop display layout
[00:13] <artao> nice
[00:13] <astraljava> That way auto-detection keeps on working as it is, but you have your custom setup as you wish, too.
[00:13] <artao> i see
[00:13] <artao> makes sense
[00:14] <artao> i'm not seeing an xorg.conf
[00:14] <astraljava> Mine is like this: $ cat dualscreen.sh
[00:14] <astraljava> #!/bin/sh
[00:14] <astraljava> xrandr --auto --output HDMI-0 --mode 1920x1080 --right-of LVDS
[00:14] <artao> Xwrapper.config
[00:14] <astraljava> Yeah, that's because the auto-detection doesn't "need" it.
[00:14] <astraljava> But it's not fool-proof.
[02:16] <artao> sayyy ... where might i find docs on some of these installed apps?
[02:16] <artao> for instance Foo YC20 ... what exactly IS it and how do i use it?
[02:17] <acerimmer> artao: man & info pages for starters
[02:17] <artao> sure, i could look all this stuff up online, but i'm hoping there's something on-system to help figure this LOAD of apps out
[02:18] <acerimmer> artao: every app has some form of information in system - usually.  Gimp for instance, does not install documentation by default.
[02:18] <artao> man i'm familiar with
[02:18] <artao> nothing on Foo YC20
[02:19] <artao> right now i'm just looking thru everything and opening it up to see what it is
[02:19] <artao> incidentally ... i don't quite understand how the audio works in this install
[02:20] <artao> there's this PulseAudio Volume Control that seems to override the ALSA mixer ... making the volume knob on my keyboard fairly useless
[02:21] <artao> Foo YC20 LOOKS like some sort of live-input EQ sort of thing .. kinda like an amp-head
[02:21] <acerimmer> artao: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=334   &&   http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=335
[02:22] <acerimmer> artao: https://code.google.com/p/foo-yc20/
[02:23] <acerimmer> artao: there IS no substitute for research.  US is built from apps from several different packages.  I learned a bit about each one as I took on different projects.
[02:23] <astraljava> But in general, that's one reason packages should be submitted to debian first. They require manpages for inclusion to repositories. Sure, it's more work for maintainers, but much more user-friendly.
[02:27] <artao> thx for links
[02:27] <artao> indeed
[02:27] <acerimmer> artao: all that said, each major program probably has some type of tutorial available either at the main site or via user sites.  Worth a look...
[02:27] <artao> k
[02:29] <artao> wow
[02:29] <astraljava> Yeah, some of them redirect you to online documentation by hitting F1.
[02:29] <artao> just discover gladish/ladi/ladi session handler
[02:29] <artao> that. is. cool. as. hell.
[02:29] <artao> XD
[02:34] <artao> nice! you've got GIMP installed with fx-foundry filters and GAP .. u happen to know if gimp paint studio is in there?
[02:35] <acerimmer> artao: @ terminal: locate paint
[02:36] <artao> ?? no locate command
[02:36] <acerimmer> artao: open a terminal, TYPE locate paint and press ENTER
[02:37] <artao> i did
[02:38] <artao> i got " bash: locate: command not found "
[02:38] <astraljava> It's mlocate these days.
[02:38] <acerimmer> artao: that's...unexpected
[02:39] <artao> no mlocate either
[02:39] <astraljava> Err... sorry.
[02:39] <astraljava> Yeah, that's probably just missing from the US package set.
[02:40] <acerimmer> astraljava: I thought "locate" was a part of the linux core.
[02:42] <astraljava> acerimmer: Heheh... define such. :)
[02:43] <astraljava> artao: What does `apt-cache policy ubuntu-standard`  show you?
[02:44] <acerimmer> astraljava: on my 10.04
[02:44] <acerimmer>   Installed: 1.197
[02:44] <acerimmer>   Candidate: 1.197
[02:44] <acerimmer>   Version table:
[02:44] <acerimmer>  *** 1.197 0
[02:44] <acerimmer>         500 http://mirror.peer1.net/ubuntu/ lucid/main Packages
[02:44] <acerimmer>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[02:44] <astraljava> acerimmer: I would say linux core is the kernel, not even most device drivers. Surely not a tool that searches /usr for binaries is a linux core utility.
[02:45] <artao> i get:
[02:45] <astraljava> acerimmer: Yes. What's your point?
[02:45] <artao> Installed: (none)
[02:45] <astraljava> artao: Right.
[02:45] <artao> Candidate: 1.245
[02:45] <astraljava> You might wanna install it.
[02:45] <artao> Version talbe:
[02:45] <artao> 1.245 0
[02:45] <astraljava> Damn that installation has been botched.
[02:45] <artao> 500 http:// archive ...
[02:45] <artao> crap
[02:46] <astraljava> artao: It will provide some nice-to-have stuff.
[02:46] <astraljava> So I suggest you install it.
[02:46] <astraljava> Err...
[02:46] <astraljava> Wait.
[02:46] <artao> also wondering about divx codecs
[02:46] <astraljava> Yeah, you should install it.
[02:47] <astraljava> artao: A good tool for finding stuff: `apt-cache search foo`
[02:47] <astraljava> Replace foo with whatever.
[02:47] <artao> k
[02:48] <artao> looking in synaptic .. if a package has :i386 after it, it's for 32bit, yes?
[02:49] <astraljava> Of course that will in many cases give you multiple answers. In that case, you get more info with `apt-cache show foo`
[02:49] <astraljava> Replace foo now with any packages that were found.
[02:49] <astraljava> artao: Yea.
[02:51] <acerimmer> artao: searched synaptic for gimp paint - not there.
[02:51] <artao> i'm kinda lookin for codecs too .. under win I would use ffdshow .. i find nothing in synaptic searching for ffd
[02:52] <artao> fair nuf
[02:52] <artao> it's just some brushes and setting for the gimp to make it more artist friendly
[02:52] <artao> i'm sure i can manage to install that myself
[02:52] <acerimmer> artao: search synaptic for gimp - LOTS of goodies.
[02:52] <artao> now about this thing i should install?
[02:53] <acerimmer> artao: which thing would that be??
[02:54] <artao> i was asked to do that apt-cache command, and it came back with Installed: (none)
[02:54] <artao> ubuntu-standard
[02:54] <artao> i imagine i do a sudo apt-get install ubuntu-standard ??
[02:55] <acerimmer> artao: good question.  I'd ask astraljava.  What more would you want US to have??
[02:55] <artao> divx
[02:55] <artao> ;)
[02:55] <artao> i found nothing that looked useful in synaptic
[02:56] <artao> there ARE divx codecs for linux, no?
[02:56] <acerimmer> !medibuntu !ubuntu-restricted-extras
[02:56] <artao> ??
[02:57] <acerimmer> artao: sudo apt-get install medibuntu && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras will install all the usual codecs
[02:57] <artao> ah
[02:57] <artao> sry, thx
[02:58] <astraljava> artao: Yes, you can use apt-get or synaptic or whatever for installing it.
[02:59] <astraljava> Err... medibuntu isn't a package, it's a repository.
[02:59] <artao> aha
[02:59] <astraljava> http://www.medibuntu.org/repository.php
[02:59] <artao> i was just gonna ask if i needed to add a repository to get medibuntu
[02:59] <astraljava> But beware, it's not supported in here.
[03:00] <artao> fair nuf
[03:00] <acerimmer> artao: Might want to read through this first...http://medibuntu.org/repository.php
[03:01] <artao> good lord! i wonder what all else this install may have 'missed'
[03:02] <acerimmer> artao: install didn't "miss" - legal issues, free/non-free issues surround the whole issue of codecs
[03:03] <artao> ah
[03:03] <artao> perhaps you weren't here earlier for the fun i had with my install
[03:03] <artao> ;)
[03:03] <artao> took a LOT of help here to get it up right
[03:03] <artao> some stuff may still be missing
[03:04] <artao> i believe astraljava was one of my helpers :D :D :D
[03:04] <acerimmer> artao: I saw part of it.  I'd only point out that sticking with LTS releases seems to cut down on such problems.
[03:05] <astraljava> That's true. The intermediary releases are a little like test benches, if you will.
[03:06] <astraljava> We fight hard to keep them stable, of course, but LTS releases normally get more testing, shining and polishing.
[03:06] <artao> righto
[03:09] <acerimmer> astraljava: audacity in 12.04??  not in 11.10
[03:11] <astraljava> acerimmer: It's still under debate.
[03:12] <astraljava> We're trying to keep the default installation as small and sleek as possible. But people keep pointing out it's one of the most popular apps on sf.net, for instance.
[03:12] <acerimmer> astraljava: Consider my vote = YES!  Ardour is WAY too much for my modest podcasting/youtube video needs.
[03:12] <astraljava> I don't know what will happen. If I hazard a guess, I'd say it'll be in.
[03:12] <ailo> Audacity is the most used FOSS audio editor in the world. It would be silly not to include something as big and widely used as that
[03:12] <artao> audacity = yes for me too
[03:12] <artao> :)
[03:13] <astraljava> ailo: Yeah, and I don't really know why it isn't in. But then, I don't really use those apps.
[03:13] <ailo> Out of all the audio apps that are available to US, only vlc is most widely used
[03:13] <ailo> And vlc is of course not installed by default
[03:14] <ailo> The top two are 1.videolan, 2.audacity
[03:14] <astraljava> Yep. Legalities...
[03:14] <ailo> I don't think there's any legal issues with vlc
[03:14] <ailo> I don't have non-free repos on my Debian install, and I have it
[03:15] <ailo> ardour is probably another very popular application
[03:15] <ailo> But, not as popular as audacity
[03:16] <astraljava> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11002413&postcount=2
[03:16] <astraljava> ailo: Could be that debian compiles vlc with stripped codecs and whathaveyou.
[03:19] <ailo> astraljava: It can play mp3's but I'm not sure how that works
[03:19] <acerimmer> somebody snuck in a proprietary codec...
[03:20] <astraljava> Yeah well, if you read that thread a little further, it might be the case where the legality status is questionable, but not proven illegal (nor legal, as of yet).
[03:20] <astraljava> Meaning no courtroom drama has been fought.
[03:27] <acerimmer> oh happy day!  Just updated my virtual 11.10 US and there's the ffox!
[03:27] <acerimmer> version 10
[03:32] <astraljava> Cool. Just wish the force-feeding of FF would stop. There's some weird bug with that, for instance with Thunderbird, I had to tweak config in order for it to _ask which_ application I want to use for opening links. Before that, it'd give me firefox no matter what.
[03:33] <astraljava> And I can't even count how many times I've set google-chrome as the preferred browser, and periodically (although not regularly) it gets reset.
[03:35] <superuser_> astraljava- chrome and ffox seem to co-exist on my 10.04
[03:37] <astraljava> Sure they co-exist. It's just the question of preferred (and in some cases the default) browser setting.
[03:38] <astraljava> And this is Xubuntu|Ubuntu Studio 11.10 installations that I'm talking about.
[03:38] <astraljava> 10.04 probably didn't have such issues, even in Xfce installations. I remember seeing there having been some changes to that just recently.
[05:31] <mynameisdeleted> hi
[05:32] <mynameisdeleted> I have a tascam us-800 sound-card which is absolutely noise-free when connected by usb to my macbook pro
[05:32] <mynameisdeleted> but when plugged into my i7 overclocked desktop produces noise
[05:32] <mynameisdeleted> I was wondering if a usb-to-optical-to-usb solution might fix this
[05:32] <mynameisdeleted> or I might just be able to get away with  a cheaper external powered usb-hub solution
[05:33] <mynameisdeleted> to try to seperate the sound-card from the computers power supply to reduce electric noise pickup
[05:33] <ailo> mynameisdeleted: I believe it is the power that creates the noise
[05:33] <mynameisdeleted> perhaps running jackd on a less noisy computer and using net-jackis best
[05:33] <ailo> mynameisdeleted: Have you tried without the power supply?
[05:34] <mynameisdeleted> the sound-card has to have a power-supply to work
[05:34] <ailo> I meant for the laptop
[05:34] <mynameisdeleted> if I shtu teh comptuer off the sound-card wont make noise turned all the way up with speakers all the way up
[05:34] <mynameisdeleted> laptop produces no noise with or without
[05:34] <mynameisdeleted> desktop produces noise
[05:34] <mynameisdeleted> desktop has nice dual monitor and i7 gaming-grade cpu and 12GB ram
[05:35] <ailo> I see. I misread
[05:35] <mynameisdeleted> so it can run a lot more jack applications and give more screen realestate
[05:35] <mynameisdeleted> do you know a good usb-optical-usb cable?
[05:35] <mynameisdeleted> as card is independantly powered it doesnt need to produce power
[05:35] <mynameisdeleted> I saw that usb1.1 can actually be converted both ways as an unpowered cable wihtout needing to bundle in copper
[05:36] <mynameisdeleted> someone sells that
[05:36] <mynameisdeleted> but its $850 for that to support usb2
[05:36] <mynameisdeleted> necessary for 6 chanel 24-bit 96 khz
[05:36] <ailo> I don't use usb devices myself
[05:37] <ailo> I only had a noise problem on laptops, including macbook
[05:37] <ailo> When using usb
[05:37] <ailo> Not mine
[05:38] <mynameisdeleted> I'm thinking that for an unpowered device I can cut the 5v cable on the usb which might be where most noise comes from
[05:41] <mynameisdeleted> bluetooth over wireless might work too
[05:43] <mynameisdeleted> or maybe a strong magnet around cable like a degouser
[05:44] <mynameisdeleted> I've seen that used to block rf
[05:47] <mynameisdeleted> http://diyparadise.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3&products_id=124
[05:47] <mynameisdeleted> that might work
[05:48] <ailo> Could it be something to do with voltage on your MB?
[05:54] <mynameisdeleted> if it is then a powered usb-hub as a proxy shoudl fix it
[05:54] <mynameisdeleted> I think 1000w desktop power supplies and gaming graphcis cards just make noise
[05:55] <mynameisdeleted> http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=auE&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=usb+isolator&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=410608l412931l0l413123l14l14l0l2l2l2l128l1023l9.3l12l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&biw=1276&bih=673&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=8552679044683345821&sa=X&ei=O8gsT62bIOHF0QGx-_3lCg&ved=0CH4Q8wIwAg   that one looks nice
[05:56] <mynameisdeleted> or this:   http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=auE&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&q=usb+isolator&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=410608l412931l0l413123l14l14l0l2l2l2l128l1023l9.3l12l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&biw=1276&bih=673&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=16474264055484199178&sa=X&ei=O8gsT62bIOHF0QGx-_3lCg&ved=0CHgQ8wIwAA
[16:29] <Eximius> is ubuntu studio Super Cool?
[16:29] <astraljava> What kind of a question is that? Of course it is.
[16:31] <Eximius> :D
[16:42] <Eximius> Can you guys help
[16:42] <Eximius> gparted can't recognize my ntfs partitions
[16:43] <astraljava> That's strange.
[16:44] <Eximius> Yeah it is
[16:44] <Eximius> fdisk sees it
[16:44] <Eximius> kernel sees it
[16:44] <astraljava> Do you have ntfs-3g installed?
[16:45] <Eximius> I'm currently on the live cd
[16:45] <astraljava> You can install it into the live session as well.
[16:46] <Eximius> No I can't
[16:46] <Eximius> software center broke
[16:46] <Eximius> D:
[16:46] <astraljava> Eximius: `sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g`
[16:46] <Eximius> oh yay, cmdline :D
[16:46] <Eximius> forgot linux had that
[16:47] <Eximius> teehee
[16:47] <astraljava> It's better to use it for support cases, cause pasting what happens is much much easier.
[16:48] <Eximius> Well yeah
[16:48] <Eximius> ntfs-3g is on the live cd
[16:48] <Eximius> Man, ubuntu has come a long way
[16:49] <astraljava> Hmmm... I gotta look up if such an issue is known.
[16:49] <Eximius> in just 3 years
[16:49] <Eximius> fucking great
[16:49] <astraljava> Yes, yes it has.
[16:49] <Eximius> Hell, I was going to install archlinux, but I might as well get ubuntustudio :D
[16:54] <Eximius> astraljava: could it be that win7 is still locking the drive
[16:55] <Eximius> I was sure to correctly shutdown windows
[16:55] <Eximius> though
[16:55] <Eximius> I was restarting the pc
[16:55] <Eximius> so windows might have locked the drive?
[16:55] <Eximius> how can I check that
[16:57] <astraljava> Eximius: I have no idea. I have a dual boot setup, but I never use the NTFS side under Ubuntu. And in fact, I have booted into Windows only once (it's a work laptop, and I was told I need the Win installation for some rare test cases).
[16:58] <astraljava> Looks like that issue is not very common, or then my google-fu just fails at the moment. You could try #ubuntu, as this doesn't seem to be a Studio-specific problem.
[16:58] <Eximius> Yeah, probably the drive is locked by windows
[16:58] <astraljava> Wait, which live cd are you on?
[16:58] <Eximius> basicly windows locks the drive to protect itself from viruses
[16:58] <Eximius> ubuntu 11.4 lts
[16:58] <Eximius> i think
[16:58] <astraljava> I wouldn't know.
[16:58] <astraljava> Yeah ok, try the #ubuntu channel.
[16:59] <Eximius> Yeah, that channel is useless
[16:59] <astraljava> Oh?
[16:59] <Eximius> I'll just restart my pc
[16:59] <Eximius> btw
[16:59] <Eximius> How is ubuntu studio super awesome
[16:59] <Eximius> because I really don't know if I should use it
[16:59] <astraljava> It just is. You will see, if you install it. :)
[17:00] <astraljava> It's actually just a set of packages, a different desktop environment, and some branding.
[17:00] <Eximius> So you always first buy the tickets to a plane and then think about the wondrous place you went to?
[17:00] <astraljava> Some work has been done to enable a more working environment for audio recording and handling, etc.
[17:01] <Eximius> astraljava: I thought there were some things about realtime kernel on ubuntustudio
[17:01] <Eximius> yeah full jack
[17:01] <astraljava> No realtime kernel anymore, but -lowlatency is going to be included.
[17:01] <Eximius> awww
[17:02] <astraljava> It'll be quite enough for 99.99% of users.
[17:02] <astraljava> Realtime patches are not done for nearly most of kernel versions.
[17:02] <astraljava> And they're difficult to maintain.
[17:03] <astraljava> -lowlatency gets you almost there, with considerably easier maintenance.
[17:03] <astraljava> ...for all versions of linux.
[17:03] <Eximius> Hmm, well, ubuntustudio is super cool
[17:04] <Eximius> But I think I'm still going to go with archlinux then
[17:04] <astraljava> You're free to do as you please.
[17:04] <Eximius> It's still nice to see a polished and creative environment done with linux :)
[17:04] <Eximius> canonical is super cool
[17:05] <astraljava> It provides a lot.
[17:06] <Eximius> welp, cya
[17:09] <astraljava> Later.
[17:17] <Eximius> It seems that GParted doesn't support GPT?
[19:08] <Monona> How do I boot into a crashed hard drive so that I can retrieve unsaved files?  Specifically, a recording project in Ardour on a computer running Lucid that crashed mid-recording.
[19:40] <rhkfin> Hi there. Anyone with pointers how to capture video over firewire? I have two Texas Instrumets firewire cards and ~ubuntu studio 11.10 installed. dvgrab tells: 'no camera exists'. dmesg repeats these three lines (or actually only 2nd..)
[19:40] <rhkfin> [  247.176047] firewire_core: rediscovered device fw1
[19:40] <rhkfin> [  265.238657] firewire_ohci: node ID not valid, new bus reset in progress
[19:40] <rhkfin> [  266.012297] firewire_core: skipped bus generations, destroying all nodes
[19:40] <rhkfin> cards are 05:01.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB43AB22A IEEE-1394a-2000 Controller (PHY/Link) [iOHCI-Lynx]
[19:40] <rhkfin> 05:03.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB12LV23 IEEE-1394 Controller
[19:41] <rhkfin> I've been trying to read, search to find a solution and my best guess is that along with new firewire stack the support for old(?) hardware was dropped including my adapters. How do I know that?
[20:11] <holstein> rhkfin: try as root to troubleshoot permissions
[20:12] <holstein> try right in the GUI of something too and see what the errors are
[20:12] <holstein> like kdenlive?
[20:19] <rhkfin> holstein: Have tried as root and also with kino.
[20:20] <rhkfin> Will check again
[20:22] <holstein> rhkfin: i would google around and see how the hardware support is for the camera
[20:22] <holstein> my cheapy camera just shows up as a hard drive
[20:23] <rhkfin> holstein: I kind of thought that using FW worked as a standard and it'd not be dependent on camera. But will check that too.
[20:24] <holstein> rhkfin: well, i can say FW works, and TI chips are the way to go
[20:25] <rhkfin> "However, the camera has a USB Stream feature, in which you can stream from the tape through the USB cable to the computer, and transfer the video that way. " this is interesting!
[20:25] <rhkfin> this too: "While reading the PDF manual found on Sony Support site, trust me, I found those golden words "USE ONLY 4PIN TO 4PIN i.Link Cable for Firewire connection." "
[20:25] <rhkfin> I use 4 to 6 pin..
[20:26] <holstein> i do too, but for audio... who knows
[20:26] <holstein> seems as plausible as anything else at this point
[20:26] <rhkfin> So I guess this is what kills it..
[20:27] <rhkfin> The owner will bring a win laptop & 4-4 pin cable so at least I'll be able to capture but it'd be nice to be able to try it on Linux, not only get the job done..
[20:28] <holstein> rhkfin: let us know
[20:28] <holstein> we dont have very many ways to test that kind of thing
[20:28] <rhkfin> right
[20:29] <rhkfin> Should have a live cd to test on that laptop if it works.. let's see if I have the time..
[20:29] <holstein> rhkfin: we have a live 12.04 version in the works
[20:29] <holstein> you can try AVlinux though for now
[20:30] <rhkfin> right..
[20:32] <holstein> well, you might get away with a normal ubuntu live CD i suppose
[20:32] <holstein> i always need/want so much audio software to test with
[20:33] <rhkfin> by the way is it normal that studio 11.10 alt installer runs tasksel and lets me select what packages/package sets to install, or was it unetbootin that added that option? I've never faced that before and it also didn't work at all.. Had to install stuff manually in the end..
[20:34] <ailo> rhkfin: That's a standard Ubuntu Studio thing
[20:34] <rhkfin> using standard ubuntu live: openshot can't capture video -> need to install kino / kdenlive / dvgrab
[20:34] <rhkfin> ailo: ok, thanks, didn't know.