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| jacobw | !ping | 00:50 |
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| lubotu3 | another contentless ping... sigh... | 00:50 |
| awilkins | !ping is an interesting thing. A ringadingding. | 00:56 |
| Azelphur | Is there any way to move the notification windows to somewhere a bit more obvious? | 01:02 |
| Azelphur | on my machine they open in the far corner of my far right display so I usually don't notice em | 01:03 |
| penguin42 | I think there used to be an option to move which corner they occurred in, but it got removed at some point | 01:03 |
| Azelphur | :< | 01:03 |
| penguin42 | might still be buried in the gnome config stuff | 01:04 |
| DJones | Azelphur: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/configurable-notifyosd-notifications.html PPA so you take your chance, its not something I've tried | 01:05 |
| Azelphur | looks fun :) | 01:05 |
| mthatcher | Hi all | 04:04 |
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| danfish | ahoy hoy saveloys! | 09:02 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | hullo danfish | 09:02 |
| AlanBell | morning all | 09:03 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Surprised at the result in Murrayfield yesterday | 09:03 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Morning AlanBell | 09:03 |
| danfish | TheOpenSourcerer: a good result - hard worked for | 09:03 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | AlanBell: What capacity does your 3TB drive show when you do a df -h? | 09:04 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | danfish: Yes. | 09:04 |
| danfish | AlanBell TheOpenSourcerer - how much snow in the stix? | 09:04 |
| AlanBell | TheOpenSourcerer: I couldn't do a single partition | 09:04 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | danfish: We have about 2 - 3" I reckon. | 09:05 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Been talking to a customer in caterham, he reckons he has 8-9" | 09:05 |
| AlanBell | I have partitions of 1.7T and 1.1T | 09:05 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | AlanBell: I have one partition of 2.0TB | 09:05 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | :-( | 09:06 |
| AlanBell | erk | 09:06 |
| AlanBell | so is the rest unpartitioned space? | 09:06 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | fdisk did say it was a 3TB drive. | 09:06 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Nope. | 09:06 |
| AlanBell | it looked like 2.7TB in gparted, but it wouldn't let me do one big partition because of partition table limits | 09:06 |
| buzz_ | AlanBell, use gpt | 09:07 |
| buzz_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table | 09:07 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | http://paste.ubuntu.com/829816/ | 09:08 |
| buzz_ | The MBR partition table restricts partition sizes to a maximum of 2.19 terabytes (2.19 × 1012 bytes) or almost exactly 2 TiB (2,199,023,255,040 bytes or 4,294,967,295 (232−1) sectors × 512 (29) bytes per sector).[2]. GPT supports partition sizes up to 9.3 zettabytes or 8 ZiB−512 bytes (9,444,732,965,739,290,426,880 bytes or 18,446,744,073,709,551,615 (264−1) sectors × 512 (29) bytes per sector). | 09:08 |
| buzz_ | 9.3 zettabytes should be enough for you | 09:08 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | lol | 09:08 |
| directhex | you need GPT for drives over 2T. full stop | 09:09 |
| directhex | and you need EFI to boot from GPT | 09:09 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | ok. Helpful. Thanks. | 09:09 |
| AlanBell | http://paste.ubuntu.com/829818/ | 09:09 |
| buzz_ | directhex, you can boot from gpt without efi..Many Internet sources, particularly discussion groups, include assertions that it's impossible to boot a GPT disk on a BIOS computer. This is nonsense—or at least, it's true only of certain OSes. | 09:10 |
| buzz_ | http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/booting.html | 09:10 |
| AlanBell | and MBR works fine if you are cool with partitioning it (which I was) | 09:11 |
| directhex | you can cross your fingers and pray in hybrid mbr situations, sure. i did the same thing back in the oldern days to boot from a 250G drive in a 128G-maximum-drive-size system | 09:16 |
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| buzz_ | directhex, afair that is only needed for windows and some other oses | 09:19 |
| buzz_ | linux doesnt need a hyprid-mbr | 09:20 |
| buzz_ | hybrid-mbr | 09:20 |
| * buzz_ upgrades joggler images to 3.2.4 kernel | 09:23 | |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Thanks - That's better. I now have a 2.8TB xfs partition. | 09:29 |
| MartijnVdS | xfs, does that still die if you lose power? | 09:33 |
| MartijnVdS | as in, unrecoverable | 09:34 |
| buzz_ | it never did die.. | 09:34 |
| MartijnVdS | buzz_: it got in a twisted state though | 09:34 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | MartijnVdS: Not for me no. Been suing it for years with no problems. | 09:34 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | s\using | 09:34 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | ;-) | 09:34 |
| buzz_ | i rememerb the structure was fine. only some data could be lost. | 09:34 |
| czajkowski | alanbell ping | 09:34 |
| MartijnVdS | buzz_: oh that's fine then, only some dataloss ;) | 09:35 |
| MartijnVdS | buzz_: it's not like it's a file system :P | 09:35 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | So maybe ext3 then... | 09:35 |
| buzz_ | anyway. xfs is probably the best fs currently for linux (imho). even though i use ext4 | 09:35 |
| buzz_ | MartijnVdS, depends how you look at it. it used to blank half written files or something i forget the details | 09:35 |
| * MartijnVdS uses ext4 and cifs (nfs to NAS = too much mucking about with uids) | 09:35 | |
| buzz_ | i sometimes wish i had used xfs rather than ext4 on my raid5, due to performance of ext4 when you get into the 100s of millions of files etc heh | 09:36 |
| MartijnVdS | buzz_: you can set alignment when creating the ext4 fs | 09:36 |
| buzz_ | MartijnVdS, i am aware thanks :) | 09:36 |
| MartijnVdS | also.. 100s of millions? | 09:36 |
| buzz_ | yes | 09:36 |
| MartijnVdS | are you running a usenet server or something? :) | 09:36 |
| buzz_ | backups with long histories | 09:37 |
| MartijnVdS | Ah, that also works :) | 09:37 |
| buzz_ | the ext4 performance is to do with operations on lots of files, not the alignment etc. | 09:37 |
| buzz_ | its just the fs design i guess.. anyway. in 2025 btrfs might work | 09:37 |
| Myrtti | gord: OMG borrowers from ghibli?!?! | 09:41 |
| buzz_ | Inode count: 366288896 - i assume that correlates somewhat with the number of files (and dirs) | 09:42 |
| AlanBell | hi czajkowski | 09:45 |
| directhex | Myrtti, ghibli likes using western stories as source material. howl's moving castle is welsh | 09:46 |
| Myrtti | directhex: I know, I just didn't know they had done one about borrowers | 09:46 |
| Myrtti | directhex: which was released in Japan in July 2010, only now coming to theatres in US | 09:46 |
| directhex | MartijnVdS, xfs worked on the attitude that a zeroed file is less harmful than a corrupt file, as you'll detect & replace a zeroed file | 09:47 |
| directhex | main xfs annoyance IME is no shrink capability. only expand | 09:47 |
| MartijnVdS | directhex: zeroed = corrupted, imo :) | 09:47 |
| buzz_ | id rather a zero file than a half intact file personally | 09:48 |
| buzz_ | as directhex said. and you can detect and pull a replacement from your backup | 09:48 |
| MartijnVdS | buzz_: corrupt < zeroes < * | 09:49 |
| mattt | morning morning | 09:51 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Gareth France] Tottenham Court Road 4th/Bristol 5th January 2012 - http://cliftonts.co.uk/cubuntu/?p=78 | 10:05 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone, | 10:29 |
| danfish | going outside to make a snow person of indeterminable sex and race ;) | 10:33 |
| brobostigon | : | 10:33 |
| brobostigon | :) | 10:33 |
| AlanBell | http://streams.fosdem.org/fosdem/h1301.webm.m3u | 10:36 |
| AlanBell | live now on the czajkowski channel | 10:36 |
| popey | :D | 10:37 |
| * popey boggles at the proposed mageia structure | 10:51 | |
| * AlanBell has never heard of mageia before | 10:52 | |
| AlanBell | a mandriva fork | 10:52 |
| ali1234 | why they doing that? | 10:53 |
| ali1234 | oh it has gnome 2 | 10:54 |
| buzz_ | the free space issues that seemed to be back on btrfs on 3.1.x seem to be sorted on 3.2.x cool | 10:55 |
| buzz_ | so maybe btrfs ready earlier than i thuogh. maybe just 5 more years or so | 10:56 |
| buzz_ | :) | 10:56 |
| ali1234 | i still wouldn't touch it with a pointy stick | 10:56 |
| buzz_ | can be handy though.. like on me joggler images | 10:56 |
| directhex | popey, ? | 10:56 |
| buzz_ | slow usb sticks + btrfs with compression = faster | 10:56 |
| buzz_ | and more free space | 10:57 |
| popey | they have a governance council which has one representative from every single team | 10:57 |
| ali1234 | well how many teams are there? | 10:57 |
| popey | it's not fully setup yet by the look of it | 10:58 |
| ali1234 | it seems better than having a council which has 4 guys youve never heard of | 10:58 |
| ali1234 | whih is what meego had | 10:58 |
| ali1234 | until 2 of them quit | 10:59 |
| popey | stream broke AlanBell ? | 11:02 |
| AlanBell | popey: it wasn't me | 11:02 |
| AlanBell | but yeah, it stopped | 11:02 |
| gordonjcp | oh, there goes the weapon of mouse destruction | 11:26 |
| gordonjcp | got another one | 11:26 |
| gordonjcp | I thought mice hibernated in the winter? | 11:26 |
| * MartijnVdS looks at his mouse | 11:27 | |
| MartijnVdS | gordonjcp: mine isn't hibernating | 11:27 |
| gordonjcp | neither is this one any more | 11:27 |
| MartijnVdS | gordonjcp: Logitech? ;) | 11:27 |
| gordonjcp | no, brown and furry ;-) | 11:27 |
| gord | Myrtti, its really really good :) | 11:28 |
| MartijnVdS | ah, that kind of mouse :) | 11:28 |
| gordonjcp | MartijnVdS: and now about 3 inches wide and 1/4" thick | 11:28 |
| gordonjcp | I don't know what she does to them | 11:29 |
| gordonjcp | drives over them with a very small cat-sized tractor or something | 11:29 |
| MartijnVdS | gordonjcp: you have no idea how cats work do you? ;) | 11:30 |
| gordonjcp | MartijnVdS: I'm coming to that conclusion | 11:40 |
| gordonjcp | MartijnVdS: I'm convinced she fires up the studio in the small hours of the morning | 11:41 |
| gordonjcp | occasionally I wake up hearing sounds in the house | 11:41 |
| gordonjcp | and I think "there is nothing in my house that makes a noise like that..." | 11:41 |
| gordonjcp | "... except the sampler...?" | 11:41 |
| OmNomDePlume | Has anybody's nuts frozen off yet? | 11:56 |
| OmNomDePlume | It's like -10 in some places. | 11:57 |
| * Myrtti giggles | 11:58 | |
| MartijnVdS | OmNomDePlume: -10 is not cold. I just ran 5km through it. | 12:00 |
| OmNomDePlume | It's -28 in my fridge. Try running a 5km through that. | 12:01 |
| OmNomDePlume | Yesterday was kind of eerie. Got home at two in the morning, looked outside. The whole neighbourhood was lit up as if it was evening. | 12:02 |
| OmNomDePlume | Light reflecting off the snow, you see. | 12:02 |
| czajkowski | boo | 12:09 |
| czajkowski | Daviey: is taking over for the sy admin infrastucure talk for canonical | 12:11 |
| popey | which room czajkowski ? | 12:15 |
| popey | http://streams.fosdem.org/fosdem/h1301.ogg.m3u daviey! | 12:19 |
| AlanBell | fantastic | 12:22 |
| gord | if its -28 in your fridge. its not a fridge. its a freezer | 12:23 |
| * Myrtti goes out to -19C to blow soap bubbles | 12:34 | |
| penguin42 | will they freeze? | 12:34 |
| Myrtti | I hope so, nicer to take photos of | 12:35 |
| penguin42 | nod; well good luck | 12:35 |
| Gary | snow snow snow! | 12:37 |
| penguin42 | Mint is VERY green | 13:46 |
| kirrus | o/ BigRedS | 13:56 |
| kirrus | You managed to find a stable connection then? | 13:56 |
| BigRedS | er, sort of. I'm not really sure - not been paying much attention to online | 13:56 |
| BigRedS | I've just stuck in a bunch of error-handling for when scripts I've writen (and just been working on) lose net connections.... | 13:57 |
| popey | I think I broke the ubuntu pastebin | 13:57 |
| popey | "An error has occurred in the Pastebin software. Please notify the administrators. " | 13:57 |
| gord | error handling is for wusses, i just restart some of my scripts every half hour | 13:57 |
| kirrus | gord: if a script that BigRedS wrote breaks in interesting ways, we get to call him, no matter the hour :P | 13:58 |
| kirrus | On the flipside, he gets to call me if varnish breaks in interesting ways :( | 13:58 |
| gord | hrm, thought i'd broken something, ctrl stopped working, compiz stealing the key binding perhaps?! oh no, better check the code! | 13:59 |
| gord | turned out to be a crumb under the ctrl key | 13:59 |
| brobostigon | lol | 13:59 |
| ali1234 | i hate when that happens | 13:59 |
| gord | last time i have digestives with my morning tea | 14:00 |
| ali1234 | press the key until it crunches | 14:00 |
| BigRedS | yeah, I generally assume all key-related issues are down to misplaced biscuits | 14:00 |
| brobostigon | i find bread crumbs, to be a good excuse. | 14:01 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 14:05 |
| * czajkowski waves at popey and ali1234 | 14:05 | |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: | 14:05 |
| * AlanBell claps the fine performance | 14:06 | |
| czajkowski | heh | 14:06 |
| czajkowski | the perception of some people about canonnical and Ubuntu is interesting | 14:06 |
| czajkowski | also fedora folks ger a CC from redhat ! | 14:06 |
| ali1234 | what's the perception? | 14:07 |
| czajkowski | that locoteams are given money from canonical to operate | 14:08 |
| ali1234 | oh. never even occured to me that that might be the case | 14:09 |
| AlanBell | yeah the embezzlement opportunity is totally missing :( | 14:09 |
| ali1234 | what does the loco even do that costs money? | 14:09 |
| AlanBell | well there are plenty of things we *could* do | 14:10 |
| sagaci | ali1234: they get given CDs and merch for computery events, afaik | 14:10 |
| ali1234 | i know that | 14:10 |
| ali1234 | but that isn't money | 14:10 |
| sagaci | yeah, that's the perception some people have, not what happens | 14:11 |
| ali1234 | but i;m just wondering why people have that perception | 14:11 |
| ali1234 | i mean if the loco teams were going around handing out piles of cash to people | 14:11 |
| ali1234 | then i could understand it | 14:11 |
| ali1234 | but they aren't | 14:11 |
| ali1234 | afaik | 14:11 |
| popey | i think they see the success of locos and think people must be doing it for money | 14:12 |
| czajkowski | some of the griups fly people to places | 14:12 |
| DJones | I guess people are still used to the idea that you don't get anything for free | 14:12 |
| popey | theres no way they would do it voluntarily | 14:12 |
| BigRedS | ali1234: I'd guess because canonical is very commercial and the loco teams seem more so than your traditional lug - no other distro really has the same support for the own-brand lugs | 14:12 |
| AlanBell | not sure I would say canonical were very commercial, but your point stands | 14:12 |
| ali1234 | i'm still not even clear on what the locos actually do other than get together and talk about how great ubuntu is | 14:13 |
| brobostigon | also maybe some geenral myth and legand that builds up, without confirmed information. | 14:13 |
| czajkowski | obredhat is a lot commerical! | 14:13 |
| popey | i want a silver sticker for my laptop | 14:13 |
| ali1234 | red hat still has users other than OEMs :) | 14:14 |
| BigRedS | I suppose 'professional' might have been a better term | 14:14 |
| brobostigon | ali1234: we within the loco, also do user support, and people come to us for help and support. | 14:14 |
| ali1234 | it's very clear that canonical now targets OEMs who in turn will target people who don't even know what linux is | 14:14 |
| BigRedS | Canoical seems more able and more likely to give money to loco teams to get them to advertise their distro than any other distro. And there's not really a loco analog for most other distros. | 14:14 |
| ali1234 | locos add no value for such people | 14:15 |
| ali1234 | so why would canonical be interested in investing in them? | 14:15 |
| BigRedS | you're thinking it through rather more than I think the people who hold those perceptions have | 14:15 |
| ali1234 | lol | 14:15 |
| AlanBell | ali1234: they could add value, but there is a disconnect there | 14:15 |
| AlanBell | Canonical keeps the OEM channel as far away from anything communityish as possible | 14:16 |
| czajkowski | which does make sense tbh | 14:16 |
| AlanBell | not really | 14:16 |
| sagaci | kinda does | 14:17 |
| AlanBell | nobody booting up an ubuntu laptop would have anything on it or in the box to indicate there is an active user group in their country | 14:17 |
| ali1234 | and why would they? | 14:17 |
| sagaci | still would be nice to fit some kind of loco functionality into the localisation aspect of the installer, as an optional and/or encouraged module | 14:18 |
| brobostigon | how sometimes, people buy hw with ubuntu contained, and come to us for support. | 14:18 |
| brobostigon | however* | 14:18 |
| BigRedS | yeah, xchat defaults :) | 14:18 |
| ali1234 | i rather doubt that any of the people who go to locos have paid for ubuntu based hardware | 14:18 |
| ali1234 | *for support | 14:18 |
| ali1234 | considering what you can actually buy with ubuntu | 14:19 |
| AlanBell | sure, they don't | 14:19 |
| AlanBell | they install windows on it | 14:19 |
| ali1234 | do you think that ubuntuTV users are going to be happy with community based support when their TV doesn't work? or will they justtake it back to the shop? | 14:19 |
| AlanBell | back to the shop, which is fine | 14:19 |
| ali1234 | people who install ubuntu on an old laptop re the kind of people who show up at locos | 14:20 |
| AlanBell | sure | 14:20 |
| ali1234 | these people don't buy ubuntu | 14:20 |
| ali1234 | which is why canonical doesn't support them | 14:20 |
| AlanBell | my point is Canonical should use them more | 14:21 |
| brobostigon | why would you buy ubuntu anyways?, makes no sense. | 14:21 |
| ali1234 | canonical already uses them to get free promotion and beta testing, how much more do you want tobe used? | 14:21 |
| sagaci | well you don't buy ubuntu | 14:21 |
| sagaci | well you can | 14:21 |
| brobostigon | sagaci: yes, a pressed cd, from the canonical store. | 14:22 |
| sagaci | 32-bit FTW | 14:22 |
| ali1234 | yes, only absolute nerds actually buy those CDs though | 14:22 |
| * brobostigon goes to make coffee | 14:23 | |
| ali1234 | this is the disconnect: | 14:23 |
| ali1234 | people like to support canonical | 14:23 |
| ali1234 | buy buying CDs and contributing to the community etc | 14:23 |
| sagaci | I've bought a pack of 5CDs each release since Karmic | 14:23 |
| ali1234 | but when the community wants something from canonical, it's suddenly "sorry, we're a business" | 14:23 |
| ali1234 | neither side is doing anything wrong here | 14:24 |
| ali1234 | it's just a disconnect, is all | 14:24 |
| AlanBell | hmm, that isn't the disconnect I see | 14:24 |
| ali1234 | in fact it's more than that | 14:24 |
| ali1234 | it's more like when people turn up and ask for things, the community springs to cannical's defense with the "well, they're a business" line | 14:25 |
| AlanBell | canonical has this community support bit, which does fund some loco stuff, sends out CDs and a tablecloth (that Daviey has) this is a marketing function of Canonical | 14:25 |
| ali1234 | yep | 14:26 |
| AlanBell | they also have the OEM team, commercial services, various bits doing actual work and getting no value from the community | 14:26 |
| gord | canonical is the corporate sponsor of ubuntu - ubuntu is something we all come together to produce | 14:26 |
| AlanBell | because community is the bit done by the marketing/community team | 14:26 |
| ali1234 | AlanBell: yes i agree with that | 14:26 |
| ali1234 | the community is only expected to contribute to building a bigger community | 14:27 |
| AlanBell | that is an oversimplification as all simplifications are | 14:27 |
| ali1234 | as such all it does is hold meetings and parties | 14:27 |
| ali1234 | and give away CDs | 14:27 |
| ali1234 | and so on | 14:27 |
| AlanBell | yup | 14:27 |
| AlanBell | speaking of parties | 14:27 |
| AlanBell | one sec, on phone | 14:28 |
| sagaci | LoCo's need to do a hell of a lot more, on the whole | 14:29 |
| ali1234 | yes | 14:32 |
| ali1234 | and i don't believe it is up to canonical to encourage that | 14:32 |
| ali1234 | and it's not really about locos either, we're all on the internet, location does not matter for most of the things the community could be doing | 14:32 |
| bigcalm | Good afternoon peeps | 14:37 |
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| popey | hullo bigcalm | 14:41 |
| bigcalm | Howdy popey | 14:43 |
| bigcalm | popey: I think Hayley wants to run away with your brother's dogs | 14:43 |
| popey | hah, they are cute | 14:43 |
| bigcalm | Have you been playing in the snow? | 14:46 |
| czajkowski | evil_snow | 14:47 |
| bigcalm | We had freezing rain here that turned everything to ice. Bugger all snow really | 14:48 |
| gordonjcp | it was icy here | 14:50 |
| gordonjcp | last night I could barely drive off because the wheels were spinning in 2nd | 14:50 |
| gordonjcp | then when I lifted off the throttle the front wheels locked up from the engine braking | 14:50 |
| DJones | bigcalm: Same for us, I'm beginning to think that all the people commenting about snow, just live near somebody who's thrown a bottle of washing up liquid into a fountain | 14:51 |
| bigcalm | :D | 14:52 |
| OmNomDePlume | O'Neill is bringing Emule Heskey on. | 14:59 |
| OmNomDePlume | Oh dear. | 14:59 |
| christel | /11/4 | 15:03 |
| christel | er | 15:03 |
| bigcalm | 2.75? | 15:03 |
| shauno | This is quite bizarre. Ireland is currently one of the warmest places in europe. I'm not sure these words have been seen in this order before. | 15:09 |
| czajkowski | shauno: indeed | 15:12 |
| czajkowski | I am flipping frozen in brussels and heading back to london in snow | 15:12 |
| shauno | 8 degrees, light drizzle, just like every other day of the decade :) | 15:12 |
| penguin42 | bah, 8 degrees, that's positively tropical | 15:14 |
| OmNomDePlume | shauno: they only feel warm because they've been drinking. | 15:20 |
| shauno | pfft. I'm on a 12hr shift. I must deny that | 15:20 |
| BigRedS | brussels is a good deal warmer today than it was yesterday | 15:20 |
| brobostigon | stargate, itv4, : | 15:22 |
| brobostigon | :) | 15:22 |
| penguin42 | it's a bit warmer in manchester as well, promising to stay at +1/+2 tomorrow, Tuesday the forecasts are saying -8c overnight :-( | 15:23 |
| ali1234 | lol my mate built a snowman with a realistic body but a normal snowman head and it looks freakish | 15:27 |
| AlanBell | pix plz | 15:27 |
| ali1234 | https://plus.google.com/u/0/113908610041457856109/posts/CcHG3UCoaLv | 15:28 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: That's excellent! | 15:29 |
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| ali1234 | probably had frostbite by the time he got around to the head :) | 15:33 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: Reminds me of Morph | 15:33 |
| ali1234 | yes | 15:33 |
| ali1234 | yes it does | 15:33 |
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| bigcalm | http://thedoghousediaries.com/3399 :D | 15:50 |
| ali1234 | wait a minute duh | 16:16 |
| ali1234 | if i xor each byte of a string | 16:16 |
| ali1234 | then append that to the end | 16:16 |
| ali1234 | then if i xor each byte of the result | 16:16 |
| ali1234 | i get 0 | 16:16 |
| ali1234 | so i don't need extra logic to cut off the checksum and check it | 16:17 |
| ali1234 | i just look for 0 | 16:17 |
| ali1234 | because it ends up as x^x | 16:17 |
| ali1234 | that in turn means i can check as i receive instead of waiting for the end | 16:18 |
| djbenny | afternoon | 16:32 |
| ali1234 | haha, thought my assembler code was bugged, turns out gamin is now not just reporting events, it also hangs python when you start a watcher | 16:33 |
| * AlanBell fixored the car | 16:56 | |
| daubers | AlanBell: You can do mine next if you want :) | 16:58 |
| AlanBell | does it have windscreen wipers that are flapping all over the place after being blocked by snow? | 16:59 |
| daubers | No, it needs the battery to be given a full charge | 16:59 |
| AlanBell | ah, my skills beyond wiper re-zeroing and tightening are a bit limited | 17:01 |
| mgdm | daubers: as in 'take it inside and do it overnight'? | 17:01 |
| gordonjcp | daubers: get it started, go for a long fast drive with the minimum of electrical equipment on | 17:12 |
| gordonjcp | daubers: fwiw one of my Citroens will actually flatten its battery driving around town in the winter, with the lights, blowers, heated rear window etc on | 17:12 |
| gordonjcp | it's an automatic so it's in top at about 25mph, and 1300rpm - not really enough for the alternator to do much | 17:13 |
| daubers | gordonjcp: Yeah, it just struggles with the morning commute at the moment, don't think it's long enough to charge the battery back up | 17:20 |
| daubers | was going to charge it while I'm at work, as that's easier than trailing cables all the way out of the flat window | 17:21 |
| gordonjcp | how old is the battery? | 17:30 |
| daubers | It's the original one with the car (02). It might need replacing but I'd rather try charging it back up before spending £70 odd on a new one | 17:32 |
| gordonjcp | yeah | 17:42 |
| gordonjcp | it's ten years old | 17:42 |
| czajkowski | anyone seen Daviey | 18:32 |
| DJones | czajkowski: Not for a while | 18:35 |
| penguin42 | hmm the guy doing the 3d projection 3d printer doesn't seem to be updating stuff | 18:38 |
| penguin42 | hmm maybe he has - he's moved to a new site: 3dlprint.com | 18:42 |
| SuperEngineer | o/ | 20:00 |
| SuperEngineer | listening to WC on Linux Outlaws - is he a defector? | 20:01 |
| DJones | Heh I like this http://distilleryimage1.instagram.com/753824a64eb511e19896123138142014_7.jpg | 20:16 |
| bigcalm | Hehe | 20:17 |
| bigcalm | Is g+ still not doing too well outside of geek circles? | 20:18 |
| DJones | I think its doing better than Diaspora | 20:19 |
| bigcalm | I only remember about that when other people mention it | 20:21 |
| zleap | bigcalm, yeah me too | 20:23 |
| zleap | had a discssion the other day about it on my local lug list, i maintain the name is hardly catchy | 20:23 |
| popey | bigcalm: i find G+ has more interesting content than facebook but thats probably just because I havent subscribed to the same people in facebook as i have in G+ | 20:34 |
| zleap | yeah google+ also seems more intellegent, | 20:34 |
| AlanBell | nice typo | 20:35 |
| zleap | as in I can post something and get a more sensible response | 20:35 |
| zleap | AlanBell, typo ? | 20:35 |
| bigcalm | Most of the people I have on facebook are unlikely to switch to g+. With the poop they put on facebook, I'm happy for them to stay put | 20:35 |
| AlanBell | "intellegent" | 20:35 |
| AlanBell | nvm | 20:35 |
| zleap | ok | 20:36 |
| * zleap can't spell | 20:36 | |
| AlanBell | G+ has the advantage of not having mum on it | 20:36 |
| zleap | bigcalm, you summed up my feeling there too | 20:36 |
| jacobw | today is superbowl day in the US | 20:42 |
| zleap | yep | 20:42 |
| jacobw | giants vs patriots at 2330 gmt | 20:42 |
| zleap | its on bb1, | 20:43 |
| zleap | 6 hours for a 1 hour game, on and madonna at 1/2 time | 20:43 |
| AlanBell | she must be quite grown up by now | 20:44 |
| jacobw | lol | 20:45 |
| zleap | yep | 20:45 |
| AlanBell | she is 53 | 20:45 |
| zleap | my typing is terrible on this keyboard | 20:46 |
| jacobw | its not 6 hours, its only 5 hours and 5 minutes :p | 20:46 |
| zleap | i thought the bbc coverage started at 22:50 | 20:46 |
| zleap | even so the game is still 4 - 15 min quaters | 20:46 |
| jacobw | 2255 to 0400 | 20:47 |
| zleap | ok i can't add up either then | 20:47 |
| zleap | lol | 20:47 |
| gordonjcp | zleap: american "football"? | 20:47 |
| zleap | yep i know | 20:47 |
| bigcalm | gordonjcp: hand egg | 20:47 |
| gordonjcp | where some dudes waddle up and down a field in fat suits until one of them falls over | 20:47 |
| jacobw | i've watched gridiron before, it takes a long time | 20:47 |
| gordonjcp | and then they take a break for ten minutes | 20:47 |
| zleap | you get some big hits though | 20:47 |
| gordonjcp | it's like watching an outtake roll from the Tellytubbies on mogadon | 20:48 |
| zleap | yeah but thats cos you bring on a defensive team or offensive team | 20:48 |
| zleap | well usually the WR or QB is ligter it depends on position, if you were in the line of scrimmage you would want lots of padding | 20:48 |
| gordonjcp | why? | 20:49 |
| * zleap has dummies book | 20:49 | |
| zleap | cos you get hit by the other team | 20:49 |
| gordonjcp | uh | 20:49 |
| gordonjcp | yeah, I used to play shinty | 20:49 |
| gordonjcp | where you don't wear padding | 20:49 |
| AlanBell | I am sure they would enjoy a nice game of cricket a lot more, you get time off to go and have tea and stuff | 20:50 |
| zleap | i am involved in rugby, underarmour perhaps but not massive pads | 20:50 |
| zleap | its a different game, tactically its rather complex | 20:50 |
| bigcalm | Mmm, tea | 20:50 |
| zleap | esp when you look at the play calls | 20:50 |
| jacobw | cricket is the only sport that include meal breaks :| | 20:50 |
| zleap | what about port break ? | 20:51 |
| gordonjcp | zleap: have you seen shinty? | 20:51 |
| zleap | gordonjcp, nope | 20:51 |
| gordonjcp | zleap: okay, have you seen ice hockey? | 20:51 |
| gordonjcp | imagine that played on grass | 20:51 |
| zleap | We get that with the vets game paignton vs chobham, they get (or used to get port) at 1/2 time | 20:51 |
| gordonjcp | and it's very fast and violent | 20:51 |
| zleap | ouch | 20:51 |
| AlanBell | and the only sport where you can play a game for 5 days, not get a result and that is one of a best out of 5 series | 20:51 |
| zleap | lol | 20:51 |
| alexcockell | LMAO... | 20:51 |
| zleap | like the world series over 7 games | 20:51 |
| zleap | baseball | 20:52 |
| alexcockell | Hi all- so some of youa re going to be watching their attempt at Rugby League with pads as well? | 20:52 |
| zleap | well may watch some of it | 20:52 |
| zleap | recording it, got about 10 years worth of superbowls recorded | 20:52 |
| alexcockell | I remember that clip on 'Tube where the commentators were "so shocked" at 15-20 passes... the guys were playing League... | 20:53 |
| * jacobw wonders whether quiddich is derived from shinty | 20:54 | |
| zleap | I wonder if a playerr in rugby would miss a 31 yard kick from in front of the posts, like the baltimore kicker did, | 20:54 |
| gordonjcp | jacobw: are you allowed to hook an opponent's legs out from under them and hit them over the head as they go down in Quidditch? | 20:54 |
| jacobw | gordonjcp: physical violence in the paradigm of wizards on brooms is silly :) | 20:55 |
| jacobw | s/physical/bodily | 20:56 |
| diplo | Evening all | 20:59 |
| bigcalm | That's odd | 21:00 |
| bigcalm | g+ Instant upload has been disabled on my phone | 21:00 |
| bigcalm | Hi diplo | 21:00 |
| alexcockell | Apparently according to EFNet folks, the pre-match footage has lots of T&A... almost like boxing.. | 21:00 |
| zleap | jacobw, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiddich#Ancient_games | 21:01 |
| popey | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0V107U8739 | 21:02 |
| popey | interesting device | 21:02 |
| popey | USB powered, VGA & DVI connected screen | 21:03 |
| zleap | nice | 21:03 |
| zleap | grr if it had hdmi input you could use it with the raspberryPI | 21:03 |
| popey | you dont need hdmi for rasppi | 21:03 |
| bigcalm | popey: that is interesting indeed | 21:04 |
| AlanBell | you can do hdmi to dvi very easily | 21:04 |
| popey | 5 quid gets you a converter | 21:04 |
| zleap | oh it has hdmi | 21:04 |
| zleap | on the details tab it says no next to dvi | 21:04 |
| popey | doesnt matter | 21:04 |
| popey | you can convert DVI and HDMI | 21:04 |
| zleap | ok | 21:04 |
| zleap | cool | 21:05 |
| tombrough | zleap? | 21:25 |
| zleap | hi | 21:25 |
| zleap | hows you, long time no chat :) | 21:26 |
| SuperEngineer | hmmm… 9pm & only just below freezing - is it summer already? ;) | 21:36 |
| zleap | do i need to run open arena server inorder to play in single player mode, if not i can remove from auto load on start up and save some system resources | 22:19 |
| directhex | zleap, you don't need openarena server to play single player afaik | 22:22 |
| zleap | ok thanks | 22:22 |
| directhex | zleap, is it disableable via a twiddle in /etc/default ? | 22:22 |
| zleap | `so i edit that file | 22:22 |
| zleap | what is twiddle | 22:23 |
| directhex | dunno, most super-optional daemons have a parameter in there to enable/disable | 22:23 |
| zleap | ok | 22:23 |
| directhex | don't have the gigglebytes on this train to do a test install | 22:23 |
| zleap | its a program that allowsme to config stuff theb | 22:23 |
| zleap | then | 22:23 |
| kirrus | directhex: gigglebytes? Is that like gigabytes, but where the traffic sings to you as it comes down the wire? | 22:27 |
| directhex | kirrus, nah, just traffic containing lolcats | 22:28 |
| zleap | i am trying to run start up applications via dash but it isn't working | 22:28 |
| AlanBell | one day I will once more have an operating system where alt-tab does something I might expect it to do | 22:29 |
| kirrus | AlanBell: when you program it yourself? | 22:30 |
| kirrus | directhex: that sounds boring ;) | 22:30 |
| directhex | AlanBell, unity? | 22:30 |
| zleap | my alt tabkeeps giving me huge previews of windows, but not sure what is triggering it | 22:31 |
| AlanBell | well I can just switch to a sensible switcher, but I am trying to get used to the unity one | 22:31 |
| AlanBell | I have a terminal with a server in it, an editor editing the code the server runs and a browser looking at the results of the server | 22:32 |
| AlanBell | I can see all of them on the screen, I want to flip focus between them | 22:32 |
| AlanBell | I don't want to raise all the other terminals and browsers and editors I might have open | 22:32 |
| dwatkins | zleap: totem? | 22:33 |
| zleap | maybe | 22:33 |
| dwatkins | bug 216939, perhaps | 22:33 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 216939 in xine-lib (Ubuntu) "totem causes alt key press in openoffice every 30 seconds" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216939 | 22:33 |
| kirrus | the oneirc switcher does seem a bit weird | 22:33 |
| zleap | so whatkey combo | 22:33 |
| zleap | kirrus, i willsee if I can figure out how to reproduce it and hence what is causing it | 22:34 |
| zleap | brb, need to check see what time the nfl is set to record from | 22:34 |
| popey | AlanBell: i filed a bug about that | 22:34 |
| popey | bug 861250 | 22:35 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 861250 in unity (Ubuntu) "alt-tab - quick alt + tab (before the switcher shows) not consistent" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861250 | 22:35 |
| alexcockell | Rugby League For Wimps due to start in 15 mins on BBC1 | 22:40 |
| mattt | rugby league? people watch that? | 22:42 |
| zleap | american football is a different sport | 22:44 |
| zleap | as i said more tactical | 22:44 |
| zleap | iformation with WR right to FB hooks here we come | 22:45 |
| mattt | oh, super bowl tonight isn't it | 22:45 |
| zleap | yeah | 22:45 |
| mattt | football is an OK sport, shame about the non-stop stopping tho | 22:46 |
| zleap | the idea is to gain 10 yards, hence they stop in order to change the play | 22:46 |
| zleap | or if they faul to gain 10 yards change the team when they lose possession | 22:47 |
| zleap | fail | 22:48 |
| mattt | zleap: are you american? | 22:48 |
| zleap | no | 22:48 |
| alexcockell | However, basic gameplay was kinda derived from League... | 22:48 |
| zleap | english | 22:48 |
| alexcockell | 7 minutes to BBC1 coverage... | 22:48 |
| alexcockell | Oh - and 1 forward pass is allowed, then it's backward passing... | 22:49 |
| zleap | alexcockell, in football or rugby league | 22:52 |
| alexcockell | American Football. | 22:52 |
| zleap | well inrugby you kick forward then pass back | 22:53 |
| zleap | but can kick forward in a game (or you can in union) not sure about league | 22:53 |
| mattt | you can chip kick in league i believe | 22:54 |
| alexcockell | I remember the Beeb were drawing comparisons with League the first year they aired it. | 22:54 |
| alexcockell | Which made the match a helluva lot easier to understand. | 22:54 |
| zleap | well they did have martin johnson doing the studio stuff at one time, | 22:57 |
| zleap | is there still a big league vs union war going on (kinda like emacs vs vi eh) | 22:58 |
| mattt | i don't know anyone that watches league | 22:58 |
| zleap | nor me | 22:59 |
| mattt | it's alright, i'd rather watch it to football tho | 22:59 |
| mattt | plus they have teams called things like the rabbitohs | 22:59 |
| zleap | sale sharks, are they league | 22:59 |
| mattt | nope | 23:00 |
| zleap | union | 23:00 |
| zleap | lol | 23:00 |
| mattt | english premiership | 23:00 |
| zleap | same as exeter then | 23:00 |
| zleap | which is my local premiership rugby team | 23:00 |
| mattt | what made me laugh | 23:00 |
| mattt | i saw a random uni football game while in texas | 23:00 |
| zleap | ah NCAA | 23:01 |
| mattt | it was a pretty non-descript game, and there were like 50-60k people there | 23:01 |
| mattt | and jets flew over at before kickoff | 23:01 |
| zleap | Its more popular in some cases than NFL as it shows upcoming players (remember teams can draft from college teams) | 23:01 |
| mattt | yeah, people in texas love their college team | 23:02 |
| zleap | its a shame we don't get that sort of support for UK uni sport teams eh | 23:03 |
| mattt | heh | 23:04 |
| mattt | there's not even that kind of support at pro rugby games :) | 23:04 |
| zleap | yeah | 23:04 |
| mattt | to be fair, i went to a few super 15 (was 14) when in wellington, nz | 23:04 |
| zleap | ah | 23:04 |
| mattt | and it was the same there, attendance was piss poor | 23:04 |
| mattt | actually probably worse :P | 23:04 |
| zleap | in the US and canada its really like a family day out, | 23:05 |
| zleap | esp with the baseball | 23:05 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Andy Loughran] Back up to Ubuntu server using Time Machine with OS X Lion 10.7 - http://zrmt.com/2012/02/05/back-up-to-ubuntu-server-using-time-machine-with-os-x-lion-10-7/ | 23:05 |
| mattt | well, in wellington it's cheap to go out to the games, and very cheap to eat and drink at the stadium | 23:05 |
| mattt | but it's too cold and i don't think people can be bothered sitting outside in the cold | 23:05 |
| zleap | yeah i got tickets to the blue jays for £2 | 23:05 |
| mattt | surely that wasn't normal tho? | 23:05 |
| zleap | and later on for £20 for closer seats | 23:06 |
| zleap | this is for major league, baseball | 23:06 |
| mattt | <-- from toronto :P | 23:06 |
| zleap | cool | 23:06 |
| zleap | i was in toronto in 2006 | 23:06 |
| zleap | work canada | 23:06 |
| mattt | i left 2003, been here since | 23:06 |
| zleap | ah | 23:06 |
| mattt | only mananged to see a couple of blue jay games tho | 23:07 |
| mattt | there was some fiasco in the late 90s iirc | 23:07 |
| mattt | where players went on strike or some crap | 23:07 |
| zleap | i was on summer camp for about 2 months I thibk, then went over to vancouver | 23:07 |
| mattt | and after that people just couldn't be bothered, they stopped watching baseball | 23:07 |
| zleap | yeah heard about that | 23:07 |
| zleap | nfl players went on strike at one point too | 23:07 |
| mattt | which did you prefer, vancouver or toronto? | 23:07 |
| zleap | toronto | 23:08 |
| zleap | vancouver is kinda wet, (was there in october - december) | 23:08 |
| mattt | ah, yeah | 23:08 |
| mattt | the weather is very similar to here | 23:08 |
| zleap | i did get to some lug meets in canada though | 23:08 |
| zleap | well 3 days of torential rain | 23:08 |
| zleap | still rugby is good over there :D | 23:08 |
| mattt | it is? | 23:09 |
| zleap | yeah, teams in toronto and vancouver and other places | 23:09 |
| mattt | it's very niche | 23:10 |
| zleap | so its getting there, | 23:10 |
| zleap | yeah, i wanna go to the ny 7's | 23:10 |
| zleap | thast sounds pretty good | 23:10 |
| mattt | would rather go to the HK 7s or something personally :D | 23:10 |
| zleap | NY is closer and may be cheaper to fly to, | 23:11 |
| zleap | but yeah, any 7's tournament would begood | 23:11 |
| mattt | why not go to twickenham? | 23:11 |
| zleap | hmm | 23:12 |
| zleap | i want a holiday so going when it co-incides with something would be a good excuse | 23:12 |
| zleap | plus I can hang out with some of the nylug people perhaps | 23:12 |
| mattt | ah | 23:13 |
| mattt | i want to book a holiday to nyc | 23:13 |
| mattt | haven't been in about 10 years | 23:13 |
| zleap | kinda long distance nylug member | 23:13 |
| zleap | of course the washington dc lug can be shortned to dclug the same as the devon and cornwalll lug | 23:14 |
| mattt | do people actually attend lugs here? | 23:14 |
| mattt | never been to one myself | 23:14 |
| zleap | well i arrange the dclug meets in paignton | 23:14 |
| zleap | can't go due to rugby, but got free weekend coming up that happens to also co-incide with lug meet | 23:15 |
| mattt | http://www.dcglug.org.uk/sites/www.dcglug.org.uk/files/images/DCGLUG.jpg | 23:15 |
| zleap | so wil go to that, i need help getting a dual boot usb stick working so I can boot several live cds from a usb stick | 23:15 |
| mattt | which one are you? :P | 23:15 |
| zleap | not onthere, probably the one taking the photo | 23:16 |
| mattt | maybe i'll check out the sclug some time | 23:17 |
| zleap | i am not even on the paignton first XV photo, I am team kit manager, but I took the photo | 23:17 |
| zleap | lol | 23:17 |
| zleap | sclug | 23:19 |
| zleap | south coast | 23:20 |
| zleap | well lug meets were well attended in toronto and vancouver but they had more formal talks then a social bit | 23:20 |
| zleap | nope silicon corridor, south coast is on in Australia | 23:22 |
| zleap | why doesn't rhythm box appear in alt tab switcher ? | 23:23 |
| mattt | sclug seems a bit dead, judging from mlist | 23:24 |
| mattt | they do have a meetup this week tho | 23:24 |
| zleap | may be worth going | 23:24 |
| zleap | hey what sort of time | 23:25 |
| zleap | dclug one startsd at 14:30 maybe we can do a irc linkup | 23:25 |
| popey | zleap: is it minimised in the notification area? | 23:28 |
| zleap | ok | 23:29 |
| zleap | but i can't see the icon for it | 23:29 |
| zleap | i know its running | 23:29 |
| popey | in the sound menu | 23:29 |
| zleap | ah | 23:29 |
| zleap | thanks | 23:29 |
| zleap | ok accidently switched to party mode and could not find a way out of it | 23:33 |
| zleap | had to use top and kill it | 23:33 |
| popey | zleap: F11 | 23:37 |
| zleap | ah | 23:38 |
| zleap | i will know next time | 23:38 |
| zleap | i am off to watch nfl nite all | 23:38 |
| zleap | thanks popey | 23:38 |
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