=== gordonjc1 is now known as gordonjcp [00:50] !ping [00:50] another contentless ping... sigh... [00:56] !ping is an interesting thing. A ringadingding. [01:02] Is there any way to move the notification windows to somewhere a bit more obvious? [01:03] on my machine they open in the far corner of my far right display so I usually don't notice em [01:03] I think there used to be an option to move which corner they occurred in, but it got removed at some point [01:03] :< [01:04] might still be buried in the gnome config stuff [01:05] Azelphur: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/configurable-notifyosd-notifications.html PPA so you take your chance, its not something I've tried [01:05] looks fun :) [04:04] Hi all === mthatcher is now known as Bacta [09:02] ahoy hoy saveloys! [09:02] hullo danfish [09:03] morning all [09:03] Surprised at the result in Murrayfield yesterday [09:03] Morning AlanBell [09:03] TheOpenSourcerer: a good result - hard worked for [09:04] AlanBell: What capacity does your 3TB drive show when you do a df -h? [09:04] danfish: Yes. [09:04] AlanBell TheOpenSourcerer - how much snow in the stix? [09:04] TheOpenSourcerer: I couldn't do a single partition [09:05] danfish: We have about 2 - 3" I reckon. [09:05] Been talking to a customer in caterham, he reckons he has 8-9" [09:05] I have partitions of 1.7T and 1.1T [09:05] AlanBell: I have one partition of 2.0TB [09:06] :-( [09:06] erk [09:06] so is the rest unpartitioned space? [09:06] fdisk did say it was a 3TB drive. [09:06] Nope. [09:06] it looked like 2.7TB in gparted, but it wouldn't let me do one big partition because of partition table limits [09:07] AlanBell, use gpt [09:07] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table [09:08] http://paste.ubuntu.com/829816/ [09:08] The MBR partition table restricts partition sizes to a maximum of 2.19 terabytes (2.19 × 1012 bytes) or almost exactly 2 TiB (2,199,023,255,040 bytes or 4,294,967,295 (232−1) sectors × 512 (29) bytes per sector).[2]. GPT supports partition sizes up to 9.3 zettabytes or 8 ZiB−512 bytes (9,444,732,965,739,290,426,880 bytes or 18,446,744,073,709,551,615 (264−1) sectors × 512 (29) bytes per sector). [09:08] 9.3 zettabytes should be enough for you [09:08] lol [09:09] you need GPT for drives over 2T. full stop [09:09] and you need EFI to boot from GPT [09:09] ok. Helpful. Thanks. [09:09] http://paste.ubuntu.com/829818/ [09:10] directhex, you can boot from gpt without efi..Many Internet sources, particularly discussion groups, include assertions that it's impossible to boot a GPT disk on a BIOS computer. This is nonsense—or at least, it's true only of certain OSes. [09:10] http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/booting.html [09:11] and MBR works fine if you are cool with partitioning it (which I was) [09:16] you can cross your fingers and pray in hybrid mbr situations, sure. i did the same thing back in the oldern days to boot from a 250G drive in a 128G-maximum-drive-size system === martingallagher is now known as speeple === speeple is now known as martingallagher [09:19] directhex, afair that is only needed for windows and some other oses [09:20] linux doesnt need a hyprid-mbr [09:20] hybrid-mbr [09:23] * buzz_ upgrades joggler images to 3.2.4 kernel [09:29] Thanks - That's better. I now have a 2.8TB xfs partition. [09:33] xfs, does that still die if you lose power? [09:34] as in, unrecoverable [09:34] it never did die.. [09:34] buzz_: it got in a twisted state though [09:34] MartijnVdS: Not for me no. Been suing it for years with no problems. [09:34] s\using [09:34] ;-) [09:34] i rememerb the structure was fine. only some data could be lost. [09:34] alanbell ping [09:35] buzz_: oh that's fine then, only some dataloss ;) [09:35] buzz_: it's not like it's a file system :P [09:35] So maybe ext3 then... [09:35] anyway. xfs is probably the best fs currently for linux (imho). even though i use ext4 [09:35] MartijnVdS, depends how you look at it. it used to blank half written files or something i forget the details [09:35] * MartijnVdS uses ext4 and cifs (nfs to NAS = too much mucking about with uids) [09:36] i sometimes wish i had used xfs rather than ext4 on my raid5, due to performance of ext4 when you get into the 100s of millions of files etc heh [09:36] buzz_: you can set alignment when creating the ext4 fs [09:36] MartijnVdS, i am aware thanks :) [09:36] also.. 100s of millions? [09:36] yes [09:36] are you running a usenet server or something? :) [09:37] backups with long histories [09:37] Ah, that also works :) [09:37] the ext4 performance is to do with operations on lots of files, not the alignment etc. [09:37] its just the fs design i guess.. anyway. in 2025 btrfs might work [09:41] gord: OMG borrowers from ghibli?!?! [09:42] Inode count: 366288896 - i assume that correlates somewhat with the number of files (and dirs) [09:45] hi czajkowski [09:46] Myrtti, ghibli likes using western stories as source material. howl's moving castle is welsh [09:46] directhex: I know, I just didn't know they had done one about borrowers [09:46] directhex: which was released in Japan in July 2010, only now coming to theatres in US [09:47] MartijnVdS, xfs worked on the attitude that a zeroed file is less harmful than a corrupt file, as you'll detect & replace a zeroed file [09:47] main xfs annoyance IME is no shrink capability. only expand [09:47] directhex: zeroed = corrupted, imo :) [09:48] id rather a zero file than a half intact file personally [09:48] as directhex said. and you can detect and pull a replacement from your backup [09:49] buzz_: corrupt < zeroes < * [09:51] morning morning [10:05] [Gareth France] Tottenham Court Road 4th/Bristol 5th January 2012 - http://cliftonts.co.uk/cubuntu/?p=78 [10:29] good morning everyone, [10:33] going outside to make a snow person of indeterminable sex and race ;) [10:33] : [10:33] :) [10:36] http://streams.fosdem.org/fosdem/h1301.webm.m3u [10:36] live now on the czajkowski channel [10:37] :D [10:51] * popey boggles at the proposed mageia structure [10:52] * AlanBell has never heard of mageia before [10:52] a mandriva fork [10:53] why they doing that? [10:54] oh it has gnome 2 [10:55] the free space issues that seemed to be back on btrfs on 3.1.x seem to be sorted on 3.2.x cool [10:56] so maybe btrfs ready earlier than i thuogh. maybe just 5 more years or so [10:56] :) [10:56] i still wouldn't touch it with a pointy stick [10:56] can be handy though.. like on me joggler images [10:56] popey, ? [10:56] slow usb sticks + btrfs with compression = faster [10:57] and more free space [10:57] they have a governance council which has one representative from every single team [10:57] well how many teams are there? [10:58] it's not fully setup yet by the look of it [10:58] it seems better than having a council which has 4 guys youve never heard of [10:58] whih is what meego had [10:59] until 2 of them quit [11:02] stream broke AlanBell ? [11:02] popey: it wasn't me [11:02] but yeah, it stopped [11:26] oh, there goes the weapon of mouse destruction [11:26] got another one [11:26] I thought mice hibernated in the winter? [11:27] * MartijnVdS looks at his mouse [11:27] gordonjcp: mine isn't hibernating [11:27] neither is this one any more [11:27] gordonjcp: Logitech? ;) [11:27] no, brown and furry ;-) [11:28] Myrtti, its really really good :) [11:28] ah, that kind of mouse :) [11:28] MartijnVdS: and now about 3 inches wide and 1/4" thick [11:29] I don't know what she does to them [11:29] drives over them with a very small cat-sized tractor or something [11:30] gordonjcp: you have no idea how cats work do you? ;) [11:40] MartijnVdS: I'm coming to that conclusion [11:41] MartijnVdS: I'm convinced she fires up the studio in the small hours of the morning [11:41] occasionally I wake up hearing sounds in the house [11:41] and I think "there is nothing in my house that makes a noise like that..." [11:41] "... except the sampler...?" [11:56] Has anybody's nuts frozen off yet? [11:57] It's like -10 in some places. [11:58] * Myrtti giggles [12:00] OmNomDePlume: -10 is not cold. I just ran 5km through it. [12:01] It's -28 in my fridge. Try running a 5km through that. [12:02] Yesterday was kind of eerie. Got home at two in the morning, looked outside. The whole neighbourhood was lit up as if it was evening. [12:02] Light reflecting off the snow, you see. [12:09] boo [12:11] Daviey: is taking over for the sy admin infrastucure talk for canonical [12:15] which room czajkowski ? [12:19] http://streams.fosdem.org/fosdem/h1301.ogg.m3u daviey! [12:22] fantastic [12:23] if its -28 in your fridge. its not a fridge. its a freezer [12:34] * Myrtti goes out to -19C to blow soap bubbles [12:34] will they freeze? [12:35] I hope so, nicer to take photos of [12:35] nod; well good luck [12:37] snow snow snow! [13:46] Mint is VERY green [13:56] o/ BigRedS [13:56] You managed to find a stable connection then? [13:56] er, sort of. I'm not really sure - not been paying much attention to online [13:57] I've just stuck in a bunch of error-handling for when scripts I've writen (and just been working on) lose net connections.... [13:57] I think I broke the ubuntu pastebin [13:57] "An error has occurred in the Pastebin software. Please notify the administrators. " [13:57] error handling is for wusses, i just restart some of my scripts every half hour [13:58] gord: if a script that BigRedS wrote breaks in interesting ways, we get to call him, no matter the hour :P [13:58] On the flipside, he gets to call me if varnish breaks in interesting ways :( [13:59] hrm, thought i'd broken something, ctrl stopped working, compiz stealing the key binding perhaps?! oh no, better check the code! [13:59] turned out to be a crumb under the ctrl key [13:59] lol [13:59] i hate when that happens [14:00] last time i have digestives with my morning tea [14:00] press the key until it crunches [14:00] yeah, I generally assume all key-related issues are down to misplaced biscuits [14:01] i find bread crumbs, to be a good excuse. [14:05] aloha [14:05] * czajkowski waves at popey and ali1234 [14:05] AlanBell: [14:06] * AlanBell claps the fine performance [14:06] heh [14:06] the perception of some people about canonnical and Ubuntu is interesting [14:06] also fedora folks ger a CC from redhat ! [14:07] what's the perception? [14:08] that locoteams are given money from canonical to operate [14:09] oh. never even occured to me that that might be the case [14:09] yeah the embezzlement opportunity is totally missing :( [14:09] what does the loco even do that costs money? [14:10] well there are plenty of things we *could* do [14:10] ali1234: they get given CDs and merch for computery events, afaik [14:10] i know that [14:10] but that isn't money [14:11] yeah, that's the perception some people have, not what happens [14:11] but i;m just wondering why people have that perception [14:11] i mean if the loco teams were going around handing out piles of cash to people [14:11] then i could understand it [14:11] but they aren't [14:11] afaik [14:12] i think they see the success of locos and think people must be doing it for money [14:12] some of the griups fly people to places [14:12] I guess people are still used to the idea that you don't get anything for free [14:12] theres no way they would do it voluntarily [14:12] ali1234: I'd guess because canonical is very commercial and the loco teams seem more so than your traditional lug - no other distro really has the same support for the own-brand lugs [14:12] not sure I would say canonical were very commercial, but your point stands [14:13] i'm still not even clear on what the locos actually do other than get together and talk about how great ubuntu is [14:13] also maybe some geenral myth and legand that builds up, without confirmed information. [14:13] obredhat is a lot commerical! [14:13] i want a silver sticker for my laptop [14:14] red hat still has users other than OEMs :) [14:14] I suppose 'professional' might have been a better term [14:14] ali1234: we within the loco, also do user support, and people come to us for help and support. [14:14] it's very clear that canonical now targets OEMs who in turn will target people who don't even know what linux is [14:14] Canoical seems more able and more likely to give money to loco teams to get them to advertise their distro than any other distro. And there's not really a loco analog for most other distros. [14:15] locos add no value for such people [14:15] so why would canonical be interested in investing in them? [14:15] you're thinking it through rather more than I think the people who hold those perceptions have [14:15] lol [14:15] ali1234: they could add value, but there is a disconnect there [14:16] Canonical keeps the OEM channel as far away from anything communityish as possible [14:16] which does make sense tbh [14:16] not really [14:17] kinda does [14:17] nobody booting up an ubuntu laptop would have anything on it or in the box to indicate there is an active user group in their country [14:17] and why would they? [14:18] still would be nice to fit some kind of loco functionality into the localisation aspect of the installer, as an optional and/or encouraged module [14:18] how sometimes, people buy hw with ubuntu contained, and come to us for support. [14:18] however* [14:18] yeah, xchat defaults :) [14:18] i rather doubt that any of the people who go to locos have paid for ubuntu based hardware [14:18] *for support [14:19] considering what you can actually buy with ubuntu [14:19] sure, they don't [14:19] they install windows on it [14:19] do you think that ubuntuTV users are going to be happy with community based support when their TV doesn't work? or will they justtake it back to the shop? [14:19] back to the shop, which is fine [14:20] people who install ubuntu on an old laptop re the kind of people who show up at locos [14:20] sure [14:20] these people don't buy ubuntu [14:20] which is why canonical doesn't support them [14:21] my point is Canonical should use them more [14:21] why would you buy ubuntu anyways?, makes no sense. [14:21] canonical already uses them to get free promotion and beta testing, how much more do you want tobe used? [14:21] well you don't buy ubuntu [14:21] well you can [14:22] sagaci: yes, a pressed cd, from the canonical store. [14:22] 32-bit FTW [14:22] yes, only absolute nerds actually buy those CDs though [14:23] * brobostigon goes to make coffee [14:23] this is the disconnect: [14:23] people like to support canonical [14:23] buy buying CDs and contributing to the community etc [14:23] I've bought a pack of 5CDs each release since Karmic [14:23] but when the community wants something from canonical, it's suddenly "sorry, we're a business" [14:24] neither side is doing anything wrong here [14:24] it's just a disconnect, is all [14:24] hmm, that isn't the disconnect I see [14:24] in fact it's more than that [14:25] it's more like when people turn up and ask for things, the community springs to cannical's defense with the "well, they're a business" line [14:25] canonical has this community support bit, which does fund some loco stuff, sends out CDs and a tablecloth (that Daviey has) this is a marketing function of Canonical [14:26] yep [14:26] they also have the OEM team, commercial services, various bits doing actual work and getting no value from the community [14:26] canonical is the corporate sponsor of ubuntu - ubuntu is something we all come together to produce [14:26] because community is the bit done by the marketing/community team [14:26] AlanBell: yes i agree with that [14:27] the community is only expected to contribute to building a bigger community [14:27] that is an oversimplification as all simplifications are [14:27] as such all it does is hold meetings and parties [14:27] and give away CDs [14:27] and so on [14:27] yup [14:27] speaking of parties [14:28] one sec, on phone [14:29] LoCo's need to do a hell of a lot more, on the whole [14:32] yes [14:32] and i don't believe it is up to canonical to encourage that [14:32] and it's not really about locos either, we're all on the internet, location does not matter for most of the things the community could be doing [14:37] Good afternoon peeps === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [14:41] hullo bigcalm [14:43] Howdy popey [14:43] popey: I think Hayley wants to run away with your brother's dogs [14:43] hah, they are cute [14:46] Have you been playing in the snow? [14:47] evil_snow [14:48] We had freezing rain here that turned everything to ice. Bugger all snow really [14:50] it was icy here [14:50] last night I could barely drive off because the wheels were spinning in 2nd [14:50] then when I lifted off the throttle the front wheels locked up from the engine braking [14:51] bigcalm: Same for us, I'm beginning to think that all the people commenting about snow, just live near somebody who's thrown a bottle of washing up liquid into a fountain [14:52] :D [14:59] O'Neill is bringing Emule Heskey on. [14:59] Oh dear. [15:03] /11/4 [15:03] er [15:03] 2.75? [15:09] This is quite bizarre. Ireland is currently one of the warmest places in europe. I'm not sure these words have been seen in this order before. [15:12] shauno: indeed [15:12] I am flipping frozen in brussels and heading back to london in snow [15:12] 8 degrees, light drizzle, just like every other day of the decade :) [15:14] bah, 8 degrees, that's positively tropical [15:20] shauno: they only feel warm because they've been drinking. [15:20] pfft. I'm on a 12hr shift. I must deny that [15:20] brussels is a good deal warmer today than it was yesterday [15:22] stargate, itv4, : [15:22] :) [15:23] it's a bit warmer in manchester as well, promising to stay at +1/+2 tomorrow, Tuesday the forecasts are saying -8c overnight :-( [15:27] lol my mate built a snowman with a realistic body but a normal snowman head and it looks freakish [15:27] pix plz [15:28] https://plus.google.com/u/0/113908610041457856109/posts/CcHG3UCoaLv [15:29] ali1234: That's excellent! === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [15:33] probably had frostbite by the time he got around to the head :) [15:33] ali1234: Reminds me of Morph [15:33] yes [15:33] yes it does === polli is now known as yggy === yggy is now known as yggdrasil === yggdrasil is now known as yggdrazil === polli is now known as yggdrazil [15:50] http://thedoghousediaries.com/3399 :D [16:16] wait a minute duh [16:16] if i xor each byte of a string [16:16] then append that to the end [16:16] then if i xor each byte of the result [16:16] i get 0 [16:17] so i don't need extra logic to cut off the checksum and check it [16:17] i just look for 0 [16:17] because it ends up as x^x [16:18] that in turn means i can check as i receive instead of waiting for the end [16:32] afternoon [16:33] haha, thought my assembler code was bugged, turns out gamin is now not just reporting events, it also hangs python when you start a watcher [16:56] * AlanBell fixored the car [16:58] AlanBell: You can do mine next if you want :) [16:59] does it have windscreen wipers that are flapping all over the place after being blocked by snow? [16:59] No, it needs the battery to be given a full charge [17:01] ah, my skills beyond wiper re-zeroing and tightening are a bit limited [17:01] daubers: as in 'take it inside and do it overnight'? [17:12] daubers: get it started, go for a long fast drive with the minimum of electrical equipment on [17:12] daubers: fwiw one of my Citroens will actually flatten its battery driving around town in the winter, with the lights, blowers, heated rear window etc on [17:13] it's an automatic so it's in top at about 25mph, and 1300rpm - not really enough for the alternator to do much [17:20] gordonjcp: Yeah, it just struggles with the morning commute at the moment, don't think it's long enough to charge the battery back up [17:21] was going to charge it while I'm at work, as that's easier than trailing cables all the way out of the flat window [17:30] how old is the battery? [17:32] It's the original one with the car (02). It might need replacing but I'd rather try charging it back up before spending £70 odd on a new one [17:42] yeah [17:42] it's ten years old [18:32] anyone seen Daviey [18:35] czajkowski: Not for a while [18:38] hmm the guy doing the 3d projection 3d printer doesn't seem to be updating stuff [18:42] hmm maybe he has - he's moved to a new site: 3dlprint.com [20:00] o/ [20:01] listening to WC on Linux Outlaws - is he a defector? [20:16] Heh I like this http://distilleryimage1.instagram.com/753824a64eb511e19896123138142014_7.jpg [20:17] Hehe [20:18] Is g+ still not doing too well outside of geek circles? [20:19] I think its doing better than Diaspora [20:21] I only remember about that when other people mention it [20:23] bigcalm, yeah me too [20:23] had a discssion the other day about it on my local lug list, i maintain the name is hardly catchy [20:34] bigcalm: i find G+ has more interesting content than facebook but thats probably just because I havent subscribed to the same people in facebook as i have in G+ [20:34] yeah google+ also seems more intellegent, [20:35] nice typo [20:35] as in I can post something and get a more sensible response [20:35] AlanBell, typo ? [20:35] Most of the people I have on facebook are unlikely to switch to g+. With the poop they put on facebook, I'm happy for them to stay put [20:35] "intellegent" [20:35] nvm [20:36] ok [20:36] * zleap can't spell [20:36] G+ has the advantage of not having mum on it [20:36] bigcalm, you summed up my feeling there too [20:42] today is superbowl day in the US [20:42] yep [20:42] giants vs patriots at 2330 gmt [20:43] its on bb1, [20:43] 6 hours for a 1 hour game, on and madonna at 1/2 time [20:44] she must be quite grown up by now [20:45] lol [20:45] yep [20:45] she is 53 [20:46] my typing is terrible on this keyboard [20:46] its not 6 hours, its only 5 hours and 5 minutes :p [20:46] i thought the bbc coverage started at 22:50 [20:46] even so the game is still 4 - 15 min quaters [20:47] 2255 to 0400 [20:47] ok i can't add up either then [20:47] lol [20:47] zleap: american "football"? [20:47] yep i know [20:47] gordonjcp: hand egg [20:47] where some dudes waddle up and down a field in fat suits until one of them falls over [20:47] i've watched gridiron before, it takes a long time [20:47] and then they take a break for ten minutes [20:47] you get some big hits though [20:48] it's like watching an outtake roll from the Tellytubbies on mogadon [20:48] yeah but thats cos you bring on a defensive team or offensive team [20:48] well usually the WR or QB is ligter it depends on position, if you were in the line of scrimmage you would want lots of padding [20:49] why? [20:49] * zleap has dummies book [20:49] cos you get hit by the other team [20:49] uh [20:49] yeah, I used to play shinty [20:49] where you don't wear padding [20:50] I am sure they would enjoy a nice game of cricket a lot more, you get time off to go and have tea and stuff [20:50] i am involved in rugby, underarmour perhaps but not massive pads [20:50] its a different game, tactically its rather complex [20:50] Mmm, tea [20:50] esp when you look at the play calls [20:50] cricket is the only sport that include meal breaks :| [20:51] what about port break ? [20:51] zleap: have you seen shinty? [20:51] gordonjcp, nope [20:51] zleap: okay, have you seen ice hockey? [20:51] imagine that played on grass [20:51] We get that with the vets game paignton vs chobham, they get (or used to get port) at 1/2 time [20:51] and it's very fast and violent [20:51] ouch [20:51] and the only sport where you can play a game for 5 days, not get a result and that is one of a best out of 5 series [20:51] lol [20:51] LMAO... [20:51] like the world series over 7 games [20:52] baseball [20:52] Hi all- so some of youa re going to be watching their attempt at Rugby League with pads as well? [20:52] well may watch some of it [20:52] recording it, got about 10 years worth of superbowls recorded [20:53] I remember that clip on 'Tube where the commentators were "so shocked" at 15-20 passes... the guys were playing League... [20:54] * jacobw wonders whether quiddich is derived from shinty [20:54] I wonder if a playerr in rugby would miss a 31 yard kick from in front of the posts, like the baltimore kicker did, [20:54] jacobw: are you allowed to hook an opponent's legs out from under them and hit them over the head as they go down in Quidditch? [20:55] gordonjcp: physical violence in the paradigm of wizards on brooms is silly :) [20:56] s/physical/bodily [20:59] Evening all [21:00] That's odd [21:00] g+ Instant upload has been disabled on my phone [21:00] Hi diplo [21:00] Apparently according to EFNet folks, the pre-match footage has lots of T&A... almost like boxing.. [21:01] jacobw, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiddich#Ancient_games [21:02] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0V107U8739 [21:02] interesting device [21:03] USB powered, VGA & DVI connected screen [21:03] nice [21:03] grr if it had hdmi input you could use it with the raspberryPI [21:03] you dont need hdmi for rasppi [21:04] popey: that is interesting indeed [21:04] you can do hdmi to dvi very easily [21:04] 5 quid gets you a converter [21:04] oh it has hdmi [21:04] on the details tab it says no next to dvi [21:04] doesnt matter [21:04] you can convert DVI and HDMI [21:04] ok [21:05] cool [21:25] zleap? [21:25] hi [21:26] hows you, long time no chat :) [21:36] hmmm… 9pm & only just below freezing - is it summer already? ;) [22:19] do i need to run open arena server inorder to play in single player mode, if not i can remove from auto load on start up and save some system resources [22:22] zleap, you don't need openarena server to play single player afaik [22:22] ok thanks [22:22] zleap, is it disableable via a twiddle in /etc/default ? [22:22] `so i edit that file [22:23] what is twiddle [22:23] dunno, most super-optional daemons have a parameter in there to enable/disable [22:23] ok [22:23] don't have the gigglebytes on this train to do a test install [22:23] its a program that allowsme to config stuff theb [22:23] then [22:27] directhex: gigglebytes? Is that like gigabytes, but where the traffic sings to you as it comes down the wire? [22:28] kirrus, nah, just traffic containing lolcats [22:28] i am trying to run start up applications via dash but it isn't working [22:29] one day I will once more have an operating system where alt-tab does something I might expect it to do [22:30] AlanBell: when you program it yourself? [22:30] directhex: that sounds boring ;) [22:30] AlanBell, unity? [22:31] my alt tabkeeps giving me huge previews of windows, but not sure what is triggering it [22:31] well I can just switch to a sensible switcher, but I am trying to get used to the unity one [22:32] I have a terminal with a server in it, an editor editing the code the server runs and a browser looking at the results of the server [22:32] I can see all of them on the screen, I want to flip focus between them [22:32] I don't want to raise all the other terminals and browsers and editors I might have open [22:33] zleap: totem? [22:33] maybe [22:33] bug 216939, perhaps [22:33] Launchpad bug 216939 in xine-lib (Ubuntu) "totem causes alt key press in openoffice every 30 seconds" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216939 [22:33] the oneirc switcher does seem a bit weird [22:33] so whatkey combo [22:34] kirrus, i willsee if I can figure out how to reproduce it and hence what is causing it [22:34] brb, need to check see what time the nfl is set to record from [22:34] AlanBell: i filed a bug about that [22:35] bug 861250 [22:35] Launchpad bug 861250 in unity (Ubuntu) "alt-tab - quick alt + tab (before the switcher shows) not consistent" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861250 [22:40] Rugby League For Wimps due to start in 15 mins on BBC1 [22:42] rugby league? people watch that? [22:44] american football is a different sport [22:44] as i said more tactical [22:45] iformation with WR right to FB hooks here we come [22:45] oh, super bowl tonight isn't it [22:45] yeah [22:46] football is an OK sport, shame about the non-stop stopping tho [22:46] the idea is to gain 10 yards, hence they stop in order to change the play [22:47] or if they faul to gain 10 yards change the team when they lose possession [22:48] fail [22:48] zleap: are you american? [22:48] no [22:48] However, basic gameplay was kinda derived from League... [22:48] english [22:48] 7 minutes to BBC1 coverage... [22:49] Oh - and 1 forward pass is allowed, then it's backward passing... [22:52] alexcockell, in football or rugby league [22:52] American Football. [22:53] well inrugby you kick forward then pass back [22:53] but can kick forward in a game (or you can in union) not sure about league [22:54] you can chip kick in league i believe [22:54] I remember the Beeb were drawing comparisons with League the first year they aired it. [22:54] Which made the match a helluva lot easier to understand. [22:57] well they did have martin johnson doing the studio stuff at one time, [22:58] is there still a big league vs union war going on (kinda like emacs vs vi eh) [22:58] i don't know anyone that watches league [22:59] nor me [22:59] it's alright, i'd rather watch it to football tho [22:59] plus they have teams called things like the rabbitohs [22:59] sale sharks, are they league [23:00] nope [23:00] union [23:00] lol [23:00] english premiership [23:00] same as exeter then [23:00] which is my local premiership rugby team [23:00] what made me laugh [23:00] i saw a random uni football game while in texas [23:01] ah NCAA [23:01] it was a pretty non-descript game, and there were like 50-60k people there [23:01] and jets flew over at before kickoff [23:01] Its more popular in some cases than NFL as it shows upcoming players (remember teams can draft from college teams) [23:02] yeah, people in texas love their college team [23:03] its a shame we don't get that sort of support for UK uni sport teams eh [23:04] heh [23:04] there's not even that kind of support at pro rugby games :) [23:04] yeah [23:04] to be fair, i went to a few super 15 (was 14) when in wellington, nz [23:04] ah [23:04] and it was the same there, attendance was piss poor [23:04] actually probably worse :P [23:05] in the US and canada its really like a family day out, [23:05] esp with the baseball [23:05] [Andy Loughran] Back up to Ubuntu server using Time Machine with OS X Lion 10.7 - http://zrmt.com/2012/02/05/back-up-to-ubuntu-server-using-time-machine-with-os-x-lion-10-7/ [23:05] well, in wellington it's cheap to go out to the games, and very cheap to eat and drink at the stadium [23:05] but it's too cold and i don't think people can be bothered sitting outside in the cold [23:05] yeah i got tickets to the blue jays for £2 [23:05] surely that wasn't normal tho? [23:06] and later on for £20 for closer seats [23:06] this is for major league, baseball [23:06] <-- from toronto :P [23:06] cool [23:06] i was in toronto in 2006 [23:06] work canada [23:06] i left 2003, been here since [23:06] ah [23:07] only mananged to see a couple of blue jay games tho [23:07] there was some fiasco in the late 90s iirc [23:07] where players went on strike or some crap [23:07] i was on summer camp for about 2 months I thibk, then went over to vancouver [23:07] and after that people just couldn't be bothered, they stopped watching baseball [23:07] yeah heard about that [23:07] nfl players went on strike at one point too [23:07] which did you prefer, vancouver or toronto? [23:08] toronto [23:08] vancouver is kinda wet, (was there in october - december) [23:08] ah, yeah [23:08] the weather is very similar to here [23:08] i did get to some lug meets in canada though [23:08] well 3 days of torential rain [23:08] still rugby is good over there :D [23:09] it is? [23:09] yeah, teams in toronto and vancouver and other places [23:10] it's very niche [23:10] so its getting there, [23:10] yeah, i wanna go to the ny 7's [23:10] thast sounds pretty good [23:10] would rather go to the HK 7s or something personally :D [23:11] NY is closer and may be cheaper to fly to, [23:11] but yeah, any 7's tournament would begood [23:11] why not go to twickenham? [23:12] hmm [23:12] i want a holiday so going when it co-incides with something would be a good excuse [23:12] plus I can hang out with some of the nylug people perhaps [23:13] ah [23:13] i want to book a holiday to nyc [23:13] haven't been in about 10 years [23:13] kinda long distance nylug member [23:14] of course the washington dc lug can be shortned to dclug the same as the devon and cornwalll lug [23:14] do people actually attend lugs here? [23:14] never been to one myself [23:14] well i arrange the dclug meets in paignton [23:15] can't go due to rugby, but got free weekend coming up that happens to also co-incide with lug meet [23:15] http://www.dcglug.org.uk/sites/www.dcglug.org.uk/files/images/DCGLUG.jpg [23:15] so wil go to that, i need help getting a dual boot usb stick working so I can boot several live cds from a usb stick [23:15] which one are you? :P [23:16] not onthere, probably the one taking the photo [23:17] maybe i'll check out the sclug some time [23:17] i am not even on the paignton first XV photo, I am team kit manager, but I took the photo [23:17] lol [23:19] sclug [23:20] south coast [23:20] well lug meets were well attended in toronto and vancouver but they had more formal talks then a social bit [23:22] nope silicon corridor, south coast is on in Australia [23:23] why doesn't rhythm box appear in alt tab switcher ? [23:24] sclug seems a bit dead, judging from mlist [23:24] they do have a meetup this week tho [23:24] may be worth going [23:25] hey what sort of time [23:25] dclug one startsd at 14:30 maybe we can do a irc linkup [23:28] zleap: is it minimised in the notification area? [23:29] ok [23:29] but i can't see the icon for it [23:29] i know its running [23:29] in the sound menu [23:29] ah [23:29] thanks [23:33] ok accidently switched to party mode and could not find a way out of it [23:33] had to use top and kill it [23:37] zleap: F11 [23:38] ah [23:38] i will know next time [23:38] i am off to watch nfl nite all [23:38] thanks popey