| brousch | non-evil | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| brousch | lock-in annoys the piss out of me | 00:01 |
| jrwren | lock-in is how they all make money | 00:03 |
| brousch | i understand that | 00:04 |
| brousch | it still annoys the piss out of me | 00:04 |
| brousch | it is good business from the company's point of view. it is annoying from their customers' | 00:05 |
| jrwren | i guess i just got old and accepted it. | 00:05 |
| jrwren | it used to piss me off too | 00:05 |
| brousch | it is easier to accept it | 00:05 |
| brousch | costs a little more, but easier | 00:06 |
| brousch | kind of like religeon | 00:06 |
| jrwren | fighting it is just as religeous. | 00:06 |
| jrwren | i boycotted amazon for 10 yrs over 1-click | 00:07 |
| jrwren | to what end? | 00:07 |
| jrwren | not enjoying the luxury of puchasing from amazon. | 00:07 |
| jrwren | the only one who got hurt was me. | 00:07 |
| brousch | your conscience was happier | 00:07 |
| brousch | we have to make value judgments all of the time. not using apple is one i can make right now without undue hardship on myself | 00:10 |
| brousch | if i end up getting heavily into mobile i may have to change my tune | 00:10 |
| jrwren | my conscience was happier, you are right. | 00:15 |
| brousch | if we boycotted everything we should we'd have to live in caves in the desert | 00:17 |
| jrwren | true | 00:18 |
| brousch | so i say pick a few that mean a lot to you and that maybe you have a chance of influencing | 00:18 |
| jrwren | "its not that i like the empire, i hate it. but there is nothing i can do about it right now" | 00:19 |
| brousch | limited will power | 00:23 |
| jrwren | nah. | 00:33 |
| jrwren | its not a matter of will | 00:33 |
| brousch | i think it is. if i had the willpower to abandon my family i'd be occupying DC until they fix the software patent laws | 00:37 |
| brousch | turn into RMS | 00:38 |
| jrwren | is that really the best action you could take to effect change? | 00:41 |
| jrwren | I don't think it is. | 00:41 |
| snap-l | http://askearache.blogspot.com/2012/02/scorn-on-earache-1992-1996.html | 00:45 |
| snap-l | JoDee's in the other room playing "Just Dance 3" | 00:56 |
| jrwren | o_O | 01:00 |
| jrwren | why do I know scorn? | 01:02 |
| snap-l | they've been around for 20 years | 01:04 |
| snap-l | just dropped off the face of the earth in 2011 | 01:04 |
| snap-l | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQW6GUlakWY&feature=related | 01:05 |
| === _stink__ is now known as _stink_ | ||
| rick_h | jrwren: what version of FF? I've tested it ok in FF9 on ubuntu. Do you get any console errors/etc? | 03:29 |
| jrwren | 10 on osx :( | 03:30 |
| jrwren | i'm not sure... it might be me. | 03:30 |
| jrwren | it renders weird too. | 03:30 |
| rick_h | really? hmmm, looks fine in FF9 on linux. wtf...can you screenshot and check the console for me when you get a chance? | 03:30 |
| rick_h | I rewrote the tag control using my own code so anything that's wrong I should be able to get fixed, just didn't realize it had issues | 03:31 |
| rick_h | jrwren: make sure you clear the JS cache I guess | 03:31 |
| rick_h | jrwren: since I don't cache bust urls yet, maybe you're in upgrade limbo between releases on the server? | 03:31 |
| jrwren | when i get a chance. | 03:32 |
| rick_h | jrwren: appreciate it, sorry it's giving you issues :/ | 03:32 |
| jrwren | i am usually using bookie in the middle of doing stuff at work, so i can't always take time out to investigate. | 03:33 |
| jrwren | i've no complaints. | 03:33 |
| jrwren | glad to have the service | 03:33 |
| jrwren | but i'll find some time soon | 03:33 |
| rick_h | jrwren: understand, I'll see if I can figure out a way to run some tests. | 03:33 |
| rick_h | Worst case I can fire at some online browser test things and check it out there | 03:33 |
| jrwren | nah, don't waste your time. odds are its me. | 03:33 |
| rick_h | knowing FF10 and OSX helps | 03:33 |
| jrwren | with my noscript nonsense :) | 03:33 |
| rick_h | jrwren: oh yea nothing works without JS, but it should all be hosted from the server under HTTPS with nothing external but a GA link which should fail gracefully | 03:34 |
| jrwren | i'm trusting bookie.us... but no others. | 03:38 |
| jrwren | you using CDN js at all? | 03:38 |
| jrwren | yeah, nothing external, so it should all work. | 03:39 |
| rick_h | jrwren: no, it's all hosted via my own combo loader app now | 03:39 |
| rick_h | was using a cdn for stuff for a short tim | 03:39 |
| rick_h | time that is | 03:39 |
| snap-l | Just saw Wall-E | 04:21 |
| snap-l | Yes, I know I'm late to the party. | 04:22 |
| Blazeix | excellent movie :) | 04:22 |
| snap-l | Yeah, it is | 04:22 |
| tjagoda | I would like to amend the socially accepted Calendar to include more hours in the weekend. | 04:51 |
| snap-l | Good morning | 14:36 |
| brousch | yes | 14:45 |
| brousch | very sparse crowd at meijer's this morning. cinnamon rolls now. children's museum later. | 14:46 |
| tjagoda | So I'm not the only American now watching the super bowl? | 14:54 |
| brousch | is it on already? | 14:56 |
| tjagoda | I hope not | 14:57 |
| brousch | then how are you watching it now? | 14:58 |
| snap-l | tjagoda is actually from the future | 15:06 |
| snap-l | a future where we are all using Blackberry phones | 15:06 |
| tjagoda | oh damn | 15:06 |
| tjagoda | s/now/not | 15:06 |
| snap-l | not you're talking | 15:06 |
| snap-l | ;) | 15:06 |
| tjagoda | I come from a future in which you have all seen the wisdom of giving me all your money. | 15:08 |
| tjagoda | Please do so now. | 15:08 |
| snap-l | And like most time-travelling stories, I will not be swayed by a man from the future | 15:09 |
| tjagoda | Haven't you watched enough Star Trek? | 15:09 |
| tjagoda | HE IS ALWAYS TRUSTWORTHY! | 15:09 |
| snap-l | Only if it's a federation ship | 15:10 |
| snap-l | the rest: notsomuch | 15:10 |
| tjagoda | I'll spraypaint federation decals on my house. | 15:11 |
| brousch | i plan to do that to my van | 15:11 |
| tjagoda | Your gonna put a captain chair in the back with a seatbelt for your son | 15:12 |
| tjagoda | a viewscreen of TNG episodes | 15:12 |
| tjagoda | and then swerve and slam on brakes during every battle? | 15:12 |
| brousch | like this http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Chaffee_type_shuttlepod | 15:13 |
| brousch | (roger b chaffee was from GR) | 15:13 |
| brousch | http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/File:Chaffee_Type_shuttle_CGI_model.jpg | 15:14 |
| brousch | i have a silver toyota sienna, so i think it could work | 15:14 |
| tjagoda | I approve of this. | 15:15 |
| snap-l | http://www.blog.thesietch.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/100_1610.JPG | 15:16 |
| snap-l | http://www.automopedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/startrek-tngshuttle.jpg | 15:16 |
| snap-l | http://www.automopedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/startrek-originalshuttle.jpg | 15:16 |
| snap-l | I don't think that will work. :) | 15:17 |
| tjagoda | I like the hubcaps | 15:17 |
| tjagoda | Kind of impressive if they can survive an expressway | 15:18 |
| brousch | yeah, probably no nacells | 15:18 |
| jrwren | tjagoda: i haven't decided if i'll watch. | 15:20 |
| jrwren | since i'm not sure when it starts, i guess i'm leaning toward no. | 15:20 |
| tjagoda | I'll watch my remastered TNG episodes instead. | 15:21 |
| tjagoda | Because they look like beautiful. | 15:21 |
| jrwren | i must get this remastered TNG | 15:21 |
| tjagoda | They only have a sampler out atm | 15:21 |
| jrwren | do you ever listen to Startalk podcast with Niel deGrasse Tyson? | 15:21 |
| tjagoda | by 2015 they'll have re-released all the seasons in HD. | 15:21 |
| snap-l | Y'know, the DVDs are nice. | 15:21 |
| snap-l | Does HD really add much to it? | 15:22 |
| jrwren | if you really like trek, you must listen to the nichelle nicols episode and whoppie goldberg episodes. some VERY interesting startrek bg there | 15:22 |
| snap-l | Also, did they try to "fix" thinkgs | 15:22 |
| tjagoda | The effects, as it turns out, have ludicrious more detail that was lost in the old format video | 15:22 |
| tjagoda | and negative, they did not fix | 15:22 |
| jrwren | i hate it when they try to "fix" things | 15:22 |
| tjagoda | which is why its still 4:3 aspect ratio | 15:22 |
| jrwren | fuk george lucas and the new FX and geedo shooting first | 15:22 |
| tjagoda | because they would have had to retouch effects to make it widescreen | 15:22 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: Well, they tried fixing TOS | 15:23 |
| tjagoda | Basically, old film re-captured with better cameras which actually show all the detail that was originally there | 15:23 |
| snap-l | and that put me right off | 15:23 |
| tjagoda | TNG is the right way to remaster | 15:23 |
| tjagoda | TOS is the wrong way to remaster | 15:23 |
| tjagoda | They might re-record some of the music tracks, not sure about that | 15:23 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: Why? | 15:24 |
| tjagoda | They sound much clearer | 15:24 |
| tjagoda | dunno if thats from just a lot of processing or not | 15:24 |
| snap-l | Probably to make it sound better on tinny speakers | 15:25 |
| snap-l | Though are they re-recording, or remastering? | 15:25 |
| snap-l | Huge difference between the two | 15:25 |
| tjagoda | http://trekmovie.com/2011/11/14/new-trailer-for-star-trek-tng-remastered/ | 15:26 |
| tjagoda | See and believe | 15:26 |
| jrwren | not sure I want to see the actresses in HD. | 15:26 |
| jrwren | they looked good when I was 12 | 15:26 |
| jrwren | in HD, they will look gross. | 15:27 |
| brousch | i'm sure marina sirtis is still hawt | 15:27 |
| jrwren | dunno...i'll bet not | 15:27 |
| jrwren | and gates mcfadden? no way. | 15:28 |
| jrwren | although I guess she did look good on Dream On | 15:28 |
| tjagoda | But inner light is remastered | 15:28 |
| tjagoda | you can see Picard play a flute IN HD | 15:28 |
| jrwren | nice. | 15:29 |
| snap-l | Actually, they did redo the effects | 15:29 |
| tjagoda | They did not | 15:29 |
| snap-l | They did | 15:29 |
| snap-l | They had to | 15:29 |
| tjagoda | They did not! | 15:29 |
| snap-l | The ship in the old series wasn't high definiition | 15:29 |
| tjagoda | There is an explanation somewhere | 15:29 |
| jrwren | dude, upscale converstion | 15:29 |
| tjagoda | but there is a lot of detail on the original film that is just lost in transfers | 15:29 |
| snap-l | I remembere they had to do the CGI models over again for the movies | 15:29 |
| tjagoda | Thats only if you widen the aspect ratio I believe | 15:30 |
| jrwren | ffmpeg | upscale | prettyfilter | ffmpeg TADA! | 15:30 |
| jrwren | zomg, use your brains. | 15:30 |
| jrwren | they don't HAVE to. | 15:30 |
| brousch | ffmpeg TADA | 15:30 |
| jrwren | they wanted to, to get even better quality | 15:30 |
| brousch | i'll have to check out that filter | 15:30 |
| jrwren | its awesome. | 15:31 |
| snap-l | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacecraft_in_Star_Trek#Balancing_digital_and_physical_models_in_films_.281994.E2.80.932002.29 | 15:31 |
| snap-l | early on they were models, but later on they started using more CGI | 15:32 |
| jrwren | like when they introed borg? | 15:33 |
| snap-l | And I remember eading somewhere that they detail on the early CGI and early enterprise models weren't detailed enough | 15:33 |
| snap-l | the bog was a model, iirc | 15:33 |
| snap-l | Bah, borg | 15:33 |
| jrwren | maybe the first episodes | 15:33 |
| jrwren | the later ones were cgi for sure | 15:33 |
| snap-l | Well, when they started doing movies, they moved some of the assets to CGI, yes | 15:34 |
| snap-l | The early models were quite brittle | 15:34 |
| snap-l | http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/CGI | 15:34 |
| snap-l | Star Trek was notorious for holding out on CGI | 15:35 |
| jrwren | very surprised | 15:36 |
| jrwren | i had no idea. | 15:36 |
| snap-l | Yeah, and DS9 you can tell twhen they moved to CGI | 15:36 |
| snap-l | early on, there's not much in the intro sequence. Then they start adding ships and shit | 15:36 |
| jrwren | oh yeah. | 15:38 |
| jrwren | i'm remember that. | 15:38 |
| jrwren | it was pretty funny that they changed hte intro like that. | 15:38 |
| jrwren | nice schooling snap-l | 15:38 |
| * snap-l is the nerd that watches the making of specials. :) | 15:39 | |
| snap-l | always love effects. | 15:39 |
| snap-l | and the creativity | 15:39 |
| jrwren | nice | 15:39 |
| snap-l | spent a few hours reading up on the differet models | 15:39 |
| jrwren | so did you ever get into SG1 ? | 15:40 |
| snap-l | Unfortunately, no | 15:40 |
| jrwren | :( | 15:40 |
| jrwren | overall as a series and story I put it on par or above DS9. | 15:40 |
| tjagoda | I always watch those specials | 15:40 |
| snap-l | Anything I've done has been with either ACAD or Blender | 15:40 |
| jrwren | DS9 being my favorite overall trek | 15:40 |
| snap-l | Oh, sorry. | 15:40 |
| snap-l | Star Gate. | 15:40 |
| snap-l | Not SGI the company. ;) | 15:40 |
| snap-l | Bah | 15:40 |
| jrwren | lol | 15:40 |
| tjagoda | I like to imagine I'm one of a single digit number of people who watched the entire Lord of the Rings extended special features =( | 15:40 |
| snap-l | jrwren: No, I didn't get into SG1. The movie was a little wonky for my tastes | 15:41 |
| jrwren | the TV show was a hard left | 15:41 |
| snap-l | Yeah, my FIL watched it | 15:41 |
| snap-l | Other problem was it was on cable | 15:41 |
| jrwren | yup. | 15:41 |
| snap-l | Maybe I'll add it to the netflix queue | 15:41 |
| jrwren | showtime for the first 4 seasons too | 15:41 |
| jrwren | before scifi picked it up and played reruns | 15:42 |
| jrwren | that is right... jorge is the SG1 fan. | 15:42 |
| jrwren | i knew someone in here was. i just couldn't remember. | 15:42 |
| tjagoda | I watched all the SG's | 15:43 |
| tjagoda | I even liked Universe | 15:43 |
| jrwren | universe was excellent. | 15:46 |
| jrwren | so sad that it was cancelled | 15:46 |
| jrwren | and the end was kind of rushed | 15:46 |
| tjagoda | The end of it wasn't even planned | 15:48 |
| jrwren | ever watch portlandia? see what they did with BSG a couple weeks ago? so funny | 15:53 |
| tjagoda | I have not | 15:54 |
| brousch | we watched SG1 until we went to basic cable | 15:57 |
| tjagoda | I miss the good old SG1 with Richard Dean Anderson | 16:40 |
| tjagoda | and the earlier days of SG Atlantis | 16:40 |
| brousch | that's about when we stopped. up to the ori | 17:11 |
| greg-g | guess who can't sleep in, even though his kid is sleeping, because of an annoying head cold. This guy. | 17:19 |
| greg-g | also, so true: http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-dad-figures-hes-got-at-least-three-more-month,27256/ | 17:22 |
| rick_h | greg-g: <3 that. I know I've had those thoughts. "Look, he can't remember this anyway so I can still walk around in my underwear dear" | 17:38 |
| jrwren | zomg the Ori story line was a blast... plus... Julian Sands!!! | 18:35 |
| snap-l | OK, I think I might need some help | 23:19 |
| snap-l | but I think for my phone purchase, I'm seriously considering the iPhone. :) | 23:19 |
| snap-l | Gotta love it when you find an album that you can't quickly tell if it's digital artifacting damage, or the actual song: http://glossolaliarecords.bandcamp.com/album/--2 | 23:36 |
| snap-l | And by love, I mean I want to beat people | 23:37 |
| tjagoda | snap-l? iPhones? | 23:38 |
| tjagoda | World really is ending. | 23:38 |
| rick_h | snap-l: seriously? You missing Aaron at CHC too much lately? | 23:51 |
| snap-l | heh | 23:51 |
| snap-l | Well, I need a phone that works, for starters | 23:52 |
| rick_h | bah, the SB stream is silverlight | 23:52 |
| snap-l | and from what I've seen, the Android phones all feel like htey're in late beta | 23:52 |
| rick_h | snap-l: right, because no one's ever had to return their phone to apple before | 23:52 |
| snap-l | never. :) | 23:52 |
| rick_h | so just fyi, got the new hardware, fixed my google voice setting, and phone is back to normal for me | 23:52 |
| rick_h | so yay | 23:52 |
| snap-l | Secod reason is because Apple keeps the carriers on a short tether | 23:53 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Ah, cool | 23:53 |
| tjagoda | Hey | 23:53 |
| snap-l | That's the part that I really hate. It's not the hardware, it's the retarded carriers | 23:53 |
| tjagoda | This blackberry torch 9810 works awesome | 23:53 |
| tjagoda | Just sayin' | 23:53 |
| rick_h | yea, I hear it even takes phone calls | 23:53 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: If I need a brick, I'll go to the brick yard | 23:54 |
| rick_h | but once you're done talking on the phone you can go get your computer out to do anything else | 23:54 |
| snap-l | I had a blackberry once. It was the most miserable experience ever | 23:54 |
| tjagoda | My Blackberry can multitask while I'm talking on it | 23:55 |
| tjagoda | That's been possible for a while | 23:55 |
| snap-l | But can Blackberry remove the suck? | 23:55 |
| rick_h | tjagoda: except that none of the apps are there :P and unless you're on the latest your browser doesn't load crap :P | 23:55 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Oh, it does load crap | 23:56 |
| snap-l | just like Lynx | 23:56 |
| tjagoda | I am on the latest | 23:56 |
| tjagoda | But I am not app crazy | 23:56 |
| tjagoda | Meh | 23:56 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: You CAN'T BE APP CRAZY ON A BLACKBERRY! | 23:56 |
| snap-l | Fuck me | 23:57 |
| snap-l | DO they still have SSH apps running $70? | 23:57 |
| tjagoda | I just go to the free open source SSH apps which aren't in App World | 23:57 |
| snap-l | Ah, apparently Jamendo unleashed the metal albums | 23:58 |
| tjagoda | But I don't know whats in App World for SSH these days | 23:58 |
| snap-l | seeing a lot of albums that disappeared from Thanksgiving to The New year. | 23:58 |
| tjagoda | When I last looked it was years ago | 23:58 |
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