[00:00] <brousch> non-evil
[00:01] <brousch> lock-in annoys the piss out of me
[00:03] <jrwren> lock-in is how they all make money
[00:04] <brousch> i understand that
[00:04] <brousch> it still annoys the piss out of me
[00:05] <brousch> it is good business from the company's point of view. it is annoying from their customers'
[00:05] <jrwren> i guess i just got old and accepted it.
[00:05] <jrwren> it used to piss me off too
[00:05] <brousch> it is easier to accept it
[00:06] <brousch> costs a little more, but easier
[00:06] <brousch> kind of like religeon
[00:06] <jrwren> fighting it is just as religeous.
[00:07] <jrwren> i boycotted amazon for 10 yrs over 1-click
[00:07] <jrwren> to what end?
[00:07] <jrwren> not enjoying the luxury of puchasing from amazon.
[00:07] <jrwren> the only one who got hurt was me.
[00:07] <brousch> your conscience was happier
[00:10] <brousch> we have to make value judgments all of the time. not using apple is one i can make right now without undue hardship on myself
[00:10] <brousch> if i end up getting heavily into mobile i may have to change my tune
[00:15] <jrwren> my conscience was happier, you are right.
[00:17] <brousch> if we boycotted everything we should we'd have to live in caves in the desert
[00:18] <jrwren> true
[00:18] <brousch> so i say pick a few that mean a lot to you and that maybe you have a chance of influencing
[00:19] <jrwren> "its not that i like the empire, i hate it. but there is nothing i can do about it right now"
[00:23] <brousch> limited will power
[00:33] <jrwren> nah.
[00:33] <jrwren> its not a matter of will
[00:37] <brousch> i think it is. if i had the willpower to abandon my family i'd be occupying DC until they fix the software patent laws
[00:38] <brousch> turn into RMS
[00:41] <jrwren> is that really the best action you could take to effect change?
[00:41] <jrwren> I don't think it is.
[00:45] <snap-l> http://askearache.blogspot.com/2012/02/scorn-on-earache-1992-1996.html
[00:56] <snap-l> JoDee's in the other room playing "Just Dance 3"
[01:00] <jrwren> o_O
[01:02] <jrwren> why do I know scorn?
[01:04] <snap-l> they've been around for 20 years
[01:04] <snap-l> just dropped off the face of the earth in 2011
[01:05] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQW6GUlakWY&feature=related
[03:29] <rick_h> jrwren: what version of FF? I've tested it ok in FF9 on ubuntu. Do you get any console errors/etc?
[03:30] <jrwren> 10 on osx :(
[03:30] <jrwren> i'm not sure... it might be me.
[03:30] <jrwren> it renders weird too.
[03:30] <rick_h> really? hmmm, looks fine in FF9 on linux. wtf...can you screenshot and check the console for me when you get a chance?
[03:31] <rick_h> I rewrote the tag control using my own code so anything that's wrong I should be able to get fixed, just didn't realize it had issues
[03:31] <rick_h> jrwren: make sure you clear the JS cache I guess
[03:31] <rick_h> jrwren: since I don't cache bust urls yet, maybe you're in upgrade limbo between releases on the server?
[03:32] <jrwren> when i get a chance.
[03:32] <rick_h> jrwren: appreciate it, sorry it's giving you issues :/
[03:33] <jrwren> i am usually using bookie in the middle of doing stuff at work, so i can't always take time out to investigate.
[03:33] <jrwren> i've no complaints.
[03:33] <jrwren> glad to have the service
[03:33] <jrwren> but i'll find some time soon
[03:33] <rick_h> jrwren: understand, I'll see if I can figure out a way to run some tests.
[03:33] <rick_h> Worst case I can fire at some online browser test things and check it out there
[03:33] <jrwren> nah, don't waste your time. odds are its me.
[03:33] <rick_h> knowing FF10 and OSX helps
[03:33] <jrwren> with my noscript nonsense :)
[03:34] <rick_h> jrwren: oh yea nothing works without JS, but it should all be hosted from the server under HTTPS with nothing external but a GA link which should fail gracefully
[03:38] <jrwren> i'm trusting bookie.us... but no others.
[03:38] <jrwren> you using CDN js at all?
[03:39] <jrwren> yeah, nothing external, so it should all work.
[03:39] <rick_h> jrwren: no, it's all hosted via my own combo loader app now
[03:39] <rick_h> was using a cdn for stuff for a short tim
[03:39] <rick_h> time that is
[04:21] <snap-l> Just saw Wall-E
[04:22] <snap-l> Yes, I know I'm late to the party.
[04:22] <Blazeix> excellent movie :)
[04:22] <snap-l> Yeah, it is
[04:51] <tjagoda> I would like to amend the socially accepted Calendar to include more hours in the weekend.
[14:36] <snap-l> Good morning
[14:45] <brousch> yes
[14:46] <brousch> very sparse crowd at meijer's this morning. cinnamon rolls now. children's museum later.
[14:54] <tjagoda> So I'm not the only American now watching the super bowl?
[14:56] <brousch> is it on already?
[14:57] <tjagoda> I hope not
[14:58] <brousch> then how are you watching it now?
[15:06] <snap-l> tjagoda is actually from the future
[15:06] <snap-l> a future where we are all using Blackberry phones
[15:06] <tjagoda> oh damn
[15:06] <tjagoda> s/now/not
[15:06] <snap-l> not you're talking
[15:06] <snap-l> ;)
[15:08] <tjagoda> I come from a future in which you have all seen the wisdom of giving me all your money.
[15:08] <tjagoda> Please do so now.
[15:09] <snap-l> And like most time-travelling stories, I will not be swayed by a man from the future
[15:09] <tjagoda> Haven't you watched enough Star Trek?
[15:09] <tjagoda> HE IS ALWAYS TRUSTWORTHY!
[15:10] <snap-l> Only if it's a federation ship
[15:10] <snap-l> the rest: notsomuch
[15:11] <tjagoda> I'll spraypaint federation decals on my house.
[15:11] <brousch> i plan to do that to my van
[15:12] <tjagoda> Your gonna put a captain chair in the back with a seatbelt for your son
[15:12] <tjagoda> a viewscreen of TNG episodes
[15:12] <tjagoda> and then swerve and slam on brakes during every battle?
[15:13] <brousch> like this http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Chaffee_type_shuttlepod
[15:13] <brousch> (roger b chaffee was from GR)
[15:14] <brousch> http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/File:Chaffee_Type_shuttle_CGI_model.jpg
[15:14] <brousch> i have a silver toyota sienna, so i think it could work
[15:15] <tjagoda> I approve of this.
[15:16] <snap-l> http://www.blog.thesietch.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/100_1610.JPG
[15:16] <snap-l> http://www.automopedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/startrek-tngshuttle.jpg
[15:16] <snap-l> http://www.automopedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/startrek-originalshuttle.jpg
[15:17] <snap-l> I don't think that will work. :)
[15:17] <tjagoda> I like the hubcaps
[15:18] <tjagoda> Kind of impressive if they can survive an expressway
[15:18] <brousch> yeah, probably no nacells
[15:20] <jrwren> tjagoda: i haven't decided if i'll watch.
[15:20] <jrwren> since i'm not sure when it starts, i guess i'm leaning toward no.
[15:21] <tjagoda> I'll watch my remastered TNG episodes instead.
[15:21] <tjagoda> Because they look like beautiful.
[15:21] <jrwren> i must get this remastered TNG
[15:21] <tjagoda> They only have a sampler out atm
[15:21] <jrwren> do you ever listen to Startalk podcast with Niel deGrasse Tyson?
[15:21] <tjagoda> by 2015 they'll have re-released all the seasons in HD.
[15:21] <snap-l> Y'know, the DVDs are nice.
[15:22] <snap-l> Does HD really add much to it?
[15:22] <jrwren> if you really like trek, you must listen to the nichelle nicols episode and whoppie goldberg episodes. some VERY interesting startrek bg there
[15:22] <snap-l> Also, did they try to "fix" thinkgs
[15:22] <tjagoda> The effects, as it turns out, have ludicrious more detail that was lost in the old format video
[15:22] <tjagoda> and negative, they did not fix
[15:22] <jrwren> i hate it when they try to "fix" things
[15:22] <tjagoda> which is why its still 4:3 aspect ratio
[15:22] <jrwren> fuk george lucas and the new FX and geedo shooting first
[15:22] <tjagoda> because they would have had to retouch effects to make it widescreen
[15:23] <snap-l> tjagoda: Well, they tried fixing TOS
[15:23] <tjagoda> Basically, old film re-captured with better cameras which actually show all the detail that was originally there
[15:23] <snap-l> and that put me right off
[15:23] <tjagoda> TNG is the right way to remaster
[15:23] <tjagoda> TOS is the wrong way to remaster
[15:23] <tjagoda> They might re-record some of the music tracks, not sure about that
[15:24] <snap-l> tjagoda: Why?
[15:24] <tjagoda> They sound much clearer
[15:24] <tjagoda> dunno if thats from just a lot of processing or not
[15:25] <snap-l> Probably to make it sound better on tinny speakers
[15:25] <snap-l> Though are they re-recording, or remastering?
[15:25] <snap-l> Huge difference between the two
[15:26] <tjagoda> http://trekmovie.com/2011/11/14/new-trailer-for-star-trek-tng-remastered/
[15:26] <tjagoda> See and believe
[15:26] <jrwren> not sure I want to see the actresses in HD.
[15:26] <jrwren> they looked good when I was 12
[15:27] <jrwren> in HD, they will look gross.
[15:27] <brousch> i'm sure marina sirtis is still hawt
[15:27] <jrwren> dunno...i'll bet not
[15:28] <jrwren> and gates mcfadden? no way.
[15:28] <jrwren> although I guess she did look good on Dream On
[15:28] <tjagoda> But inner light is remastered
[15:28] <tjagoda> you can see Picard play a flute IN HD
[15:29] <jrwren> nice.
[15:29] <snap-l> Actually, they did redo the effects
[15:29] <tjagoda> They did not
[15:29] <snap-l> They did
[15:29] <snap-l> They had to
[15:29] <tjagoda> They did not!
[15:29] <snap-l> The ship in the old series wasn't high definiition
[15:29] <tjagoda> There is an explanation somewhere
[15:29] <jrwren> dude, upscale converstion
[15:29] <tjagoda> but there is a lot of detail on the original film that is just lost in transfers
[15:29] <snap-l> I remembere they had to do the CGI models over again for the movies
[15:30] <tjagoda> Thats only if you widen the aspect ratio I believe
[15:30] <jrwren> ffmpeg | upscale | prettyfilter | ffmpeg TADA!
[15:30] <jrwren> zomg, use your brains.
[15:30] <jrwren> they don't HAVE to.
[15:30] <brousch> ffmpeg TADA
[15:30] <jrwren> they wanted to, to get even better quality
[15:30] <brousch> i'll have to check out that filter
[15:31] <jrwren> its awesome.
[15:31] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacecraft_in_Star_Trek#Balancing_digital_and_physical_models_in_films_.281994.E2.80.932002.29
[15:32] <snap-l> early on they were models, but later on they started using more CGI
[15:33] <jrwren> like when they introed borg?
[15:33] <snap-l> And I remember eading somewhere that they detail on the early CGI and early enterprise models weren't detailed enough
[15:33] <snap-l> the bog was a model, iirc
[15:33] <snap-l> Bah, borg
[15:33] <jrwren> maybe the first episodes
[15:33] <jrwren> the later ones were cgi for sure
[15:34] <snap-l> Well, when they started doing movies, they moved some of the assets to CGI, yes
[15:34] <snap-l> The early models were quite brittle
[15:34] <snap-l> http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/CGI
[15:35] <snap-l> Star Trek was notorious for holding out on CGI
[15:36] <jrwren> very surprised
[15:36] <jrwren> i had no idea.
[15:36] <snap-l> Yeah, and DS9 you can tell twhen they moved to CGI
[15:36] <snap-l> early on, there's not much in the intro sequence. Then they start adding ships and shit
[15:38] <jrwren> oh yeah.
[15:38] <jrwren> i'm remember that.
[15:38] <jrwren> it was pretty funny that they changed hte intro like that.
[15:38] <jrwren> nice schooling snap-l
[15:39]  * snap-l is the nerd that watches the making of specials. :)
[15:39] <snap-l> always love effects.
[15:39] <snap-l> and the creativity
[15:39] <jrwren> nice
[15:39] <snap-l> spent a few hours reading up on the differet models
[15:40] <jrwren> so did you ever get into SG1 ?
[15:40] <snap-l> Unfortunately, no
[15:40] <jrwren> :(
[15:40] <jrwren> overall as a series and story I put it on par or above DS9.
[15:40] <tjagoda> I always watch those specials
[15:40] <snap-l> Anything I've done has been with either ACAD or Blender
[15:40] <jrwren> DS9 being my favorite overall trek
[15:40] <snap-l> Oh, sorry.
[15:40] <snap-l> Star Gate.
[15:40] <snap-l> Not SGI the company. ;)
[15:40] <snap-l> Bah
[15:40] <jrwren> lol
[15:40] <tjagoda> I like to imagine I'm one of a single digit number of people who watched the entire Lord of the Rings extended special features =(
[15:41] <snap-l> jrwren: No, I didn't get into SG1. The movie was a little wonky for my tastes
[15:41] <jrwren> the TV show was a hard left
[15:41] <snap-l> Yeah, my FIL watched it
[15:41] <snap-l> Other problem was it was on cable
[15:41] <jrwren> yup.
[15:41] <snap-l> Maybe I'll add it to the netflix queue
[15:41] <jrwren> showtime for the first 4 seasons too
[15:42] <jrwren> before scifi picked it up and played reruns
[15:42] <jrwren> that is right... jorge is the SG1 fan.
[15:42] <jrwren> i knew someone in here was. i just couldn't remember.
[15:43] <tjagoda> I watched all the SG's
[15:43] <tjagoda> I even liked Universe
[15:46] <jrwren> universe was excellent.
[15:46] <jrwren> so sad that it was cancelled
[15:46] <jrwren> and the end was kind of rushed
[15:48] <tjagoda> The end of it wasn't even planned
[15:53] <jrwren> ever watch portlandia? see what they did with BSG a couple weeks ago? so funny
[15:54] <tjagoda> I have not
[15:57] <brousch> we watched SG1 until we went to basic cable
[16:40] <tjagoda> I miss the good old SG1 with Richard Dean Anderson
[16:40] <tjagoda> and the earlier days of SG Atlantis
[17:11] <brousch> that's about when we stopped. up to the ori
[17:19] <greg-g> guess who can't sleep in, even though his kid is sleeping, because of an annoying head cold. This guy.
[17:22] <greg-g> also, so true: http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-dad-figures-hes-got-at-least-three-more-month,27256/
[17:38] <rick_h> greg-g: <3 that. I know I've had those thoughts. "Look, he can't remember this anyway so I can still walk around in my underwear dear"
[18:35] <jrwren> zomg the Ori story line was a blast... plus... Julian Sands!!!
[23:19] <snap-l> OK, I think I might need some help
[23:19] <snap-l> but I think for my phone purchase, I'm seriously considering the iPhone. :)
[23:36] <snap-l> Gotta love it when you find an album that you can't quickly tell if it's digital artifacting damage, or the actual song: http://glossolaliarecords.bandcamp.com/album/--2
[23:37] <snap-l> And by love, I mean I want to beat people
[23:38] <tjagoda> snap-l?  iPhones?
[23:38] <tjagoda> World really is ending.
[23:51] <rick_h> snap-l: seriously? You missing Aaron at CHC too much lately?
[23:51] <snap-l> heh
[23:52] <snap-l> Well, I need a phone that works, for starters
[23:52] <rick_h> bah, the SB stream is silverlight
[23:52] <snap-l> and from what I've seen, the Android phones all feel like htey're in late beta
[23:52] <rick_h> snap-l: right, because no one's ever had to return their phone to apple before
[23:52] <snap-l> never. :)
[23:52] <rick_h> so just fyi, got the new hardware, fixed my google voice setting, and phone is back to normal for me
[23:52] <rick_h> so yay
[23:53] <snap-l> Secod reason is because Apple keeps the carriers on a short tether
[23:53] <snap-l> rick_h: Ah, cool
[23:53] <tjagoda> Hey
[23:53] <snap-l> That's the part that I really hate. It's not the hardware, it's the retarded carriers
[23:53] <tjagoda> This blackberry torch 9810 works awesome
[23:53] <tjagoda> Just sayin'
[23:53] <rick_h> yea, I hear it even takes phone calls
[23:54] <snap-l> tjagoda: If I need a brick, I'll go to the brick yard
[23:54] <rick_h> but once you're done talking on the phone you can go get your computer out to do anything else
[23:54] <snap-l> I had a blackberry once. It was the most miserable experience ever
[23:55] <tjagoda> My Blackberry can multitask while I'm talking on it
[23:55] <tjagoda> That's been possible for a while
[23:55] <snap-l> But can Blackberry remove the suck?
[23:55] <rick_h> tjagoda: except that none of the apps are there :P and unless you're on the latest your browser doesn't load crap :P
[23:56] <snap-l> rick_h: Oh, it does load crap
[23:56] <snap-l> just like Lynx
[23:56] <tjagoda> I am on the latest
[23:56] <tjagoda> But I am not app crazy
[23:56] <tjagoda> Meh
[23:56] <snap-l> tjagoda: You CAN'T BE APP CRAZY ON A BLACKBERRY!
[23:57] <snap-l> Fuck me
[23:57] <snap-l> DO they still have SSH apps running $70?
[23:57] <tjagoda> I just go to the free open source SSH apps which aren't in App World
[23:58] <snap-l> Ah, apparently Jamendo unleashed the metal albums
[23:58] <tjagoda> But I don't know whats in App World for SSH these days
[23:58] <snap-l> seeing a lot of albums that disappeared from Thanksgiving to The New year.
[23:58] <tjagoda> When I last looked it was years ago