| len-1204 | We seem to have lost audio group on install today. | 00:52 |
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| len-1204 | I am having second (maybe third and fourth) thoughts about installing with the network connected. | 00:56 |
| len-1204 | ubiquity (and the alt installer for that matter) seem to deal badly with intermittent net service. | 00:58 |
| len-1204 | There seems to be no ability to skip over a trouble download. There also seems to be no way of telling the person installing something has gone wrong. | 01:00 |
| len-1204 | I have had the installer hang or crash on me do to download problems 3 or 4 times now. | 01:02 |
| len-1204 | I am about to the point of recommending netless install. | 01:02 |
| len-1204 | This would be a problem for things like ubuntu desktop where they are trying to keep things to cd size. | 01:03 |
| holstein | len-1204: fine with me | 01:10 |
| len-1204 | US has all the needed stuff on the DVD so the only thing we get from net is flash. (goody :-P ) | 01:12 |
| len-1204 | Whats the default CLI editor? Nano no more? | 02:46 |
| holstein | len-1204: should be nano i say | 03:01 |
| holstein | maybe its just a glitch | 03:02 |
| len-1204 | holstein: I would think that is part of the base install, but all I could find was vi :/ | 03:06 |
| len-1204 | I have to think to hard to use vi... | 03:07 |
| holstein | len-1204: hehe.. i have to RTFM each time ;) | 03:19 |
| astraljava | It sounds like a problem. Probably the reason is a missing 'ubuntu-standard'. Can you check? | 04:03 |
| astraljava | Hmm... formal meeting in T - 13 hours. | 04:04 |
| astraljava | Probably need to go over the agenda. | 04:04 |
| holstein | i cant make it :/ | 04:05 |
| holstein | gt a concert | 04:05 |
| holstein | got* | 04:05 |
| astraljava | holstein: Ok. I have a few topics in mind, so can you go over the agenda and write your opinions prior to that? | 04:07 |
| holstein | maybe | 04:09 |
| holstein | ill give it a look | 04:09 |
| holstein | im with you guys though! | 04:09 |
| holstein | i still plan on testing | 04:09 |
| astraljava | I'll let you know in here when it's done from my part. | 04:09 |
| holstein | and helping get some screenies for the installer | 04:09 |
| astraljava | Good, good. | 04:09 |
| len-1204 | Synaptic says ubuntu-standard is not installed astraljava | 04:30 |
| len-1204 | no telnet either..but ssh is, different package I guess | 04:32 |
| astraljava | I think we need to very carefully go over the seeding once again. List the important and essential packages that are missing. | 04:33 |
| len-1204 | astraljava: even inthat package nano is only a recommends. | 04:38 |
| len-1204 | Most of it's depends seem to be there. | 04:39 |
| astraljava | holstein: len-1204: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2012February5 | 04:44 |
| astraljava | Any other things to discuss? | 04:44 |
| astraljava | We're running out of time before Feature Freeze sets in. | 04:44 |
| astraljava | So if anything's urgent, we gotta step on it now. | 04:44 |
| astraljava | len-1204: Yeah but installing the seeds uses recommends these days, so that _should_ be in. | 04:45 |
| len-1204 | If it goes in the recommends should be speced too. It looks like a lot of work flows are getting dropped. | 04:46 |
| astraljava | len-1204: What does that mean? | 04:47 |
| len-1204 | The depends don't get nano for example. | 04:47 |
| len-1204 | nano is just recommended | 04:47 |
| len-1204 | There are a lot of apps missing to fill up the work flows. | 04:49 |
| len-1204 | I just looked at the audio workflows, not the video or graphics ones. But they are shorter. | 04:49 |
| holstein | yup | 04:49 |
| holstein | i was actually just trying to recruit a CAD guy :) | 04:50 |
| holstein | we need more video folk | 04:50 |
| len-1204 | The audio workflows page has 20 work flows? | 04:50 |
| holstein | yeah, its a bit all over the place | 04:50 |
| holstein | i think the workflow thing has gotten too busy | 04:50 |
| holstein | but it can be trimmed down | 04:50 |
| holstein | and the idea is great | 04:50 |
| len-1204 | I do think there should be a recording program a little bit lighter than ardour though. | 04:51 |
| holstein | sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-pocasting | 04:51 |
| holstein | len-1204: im still not sure why audacity is gone | 04:51 |
| holstein | though it made sense at the time | 04:51 |
| holstein | audacity seems like a no-brainer | 04:51 |
| len-1204 | I would think so. | 04:51 |
| len-1204 | holstein: I tried sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-pocasting and also with the d but it says there isn't one. | 04:53 |
| holstein | len-1204: oh.. sorry | 04:54 |
| holstein | im just saying, hypothetically, that would be nice | 04:54 |
| holstein | thats what the work-flows are about | 04:54 |
| holstein | its a neat idea | 04:54 |
| holstein | just a little busy | 04:54 |
| len-1204 | Nicer with a gui to deal with it. | 04:55 |
| holstein | and you can never really please everyone | 04:55 |
| holstein | its a general idea of what folks would want to use | 04:55 |
| holstein | think of the MIDI one | 04:55 |
| len-1204 | For me, I would just rather install everything and use what I want | 04:55 |
| holstein | that could pull in *so* much | 04:55 |
| holstein | len-1204: i definitely want to clear out some cobwebs | 04:56 |
| len-1204 | It would need it's own menu | 04:56 |
| holstein | len-1204: they are going in a dock i think | 04:56 |
| holstein | AWN | 04:56 |
| len-1204 | I would like a cleaner menu. | 04:56 |
| holstein | i plan on removing it ;) | 04:56 |
| len-1204 | The dock might be ok... but with my screen horizontal takes too much room. | 04:57 |
| holstein | i like how xubuntu has a dock, but its just a panel | 04:57 |
| holstein | not that i want that one either, but at least its not an extra package | 04:58 |
| len-1204 | As the screens get wider the height of things starts to matter | 04:58 |
| holstein | i have a gnome panel with launchers on it on my audio rig | 04:58 |
| holstein | thats down the side actually | 04:58 |
| len-1204 | like the install slide show xubuntu has goes right off the bottom of my screen. | 04:58 |
| ailo | The "dock" in Xubuntu is really no different from a gnome panel | 04:58 |
| holstein | yup, its just an xfce panel | 04:59 |
| holstein | and it looks fine | 04:59 |
| ailo | Just that it has become common to edit the panel properties to make it function more like a dock | 04:59 |
| ailo | You could really have done that in Gnome2 as well | 04:59 |
| len-1204 | I shrink it, vertical it and stick it to the side..... ala unity... | 04:59 |
| holstein | yup... i basically do | 04:59 |
| holstein | i just have it on the side | 05:00 |
| holstein | but, i dont use it much anymore | 05:00 |
| holstein | i much prefer kupfer | 05:00 |
| holstein | i dont really use a dock or a panel since that | 05:00 |
| holstein | but, most folks want a dock or a menu | 05:00 |
| holstein | and/or | 05:00 |
| ailo | I hardly make any changes at all since installing Gnome3. | 05:00 |
| ailo | I change the wallpaper | 05:01 |
| holstein | i like how clean my openbox setup is with no menu like that, and no dock | 05:01 |
| ailo | Not that you can do much to change Gnome3 :P | 05:01 |
| holstein | ailo: hehe... i was just typing a smart-ass message about that ;) | 05:01 |
| ailo | I change the clock to 24h and make it show the date | 05:02 |
| len-1204 | Oh another thing to ask at the meeting is why the installer is no longer in the audio group. I thought we fixed that. That and no real time are probably bigger than a lot of other things. | 05:02 |
| ailo | Yep. Those are essential if you want to call it a multimedia distro in my view | 05:02 |
| holstein | i think those things are coming though | 05:02 |
| holstein | the live CD is really new | 05:03 |
| astraljava | len-1204: holstein: ailo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PrecisePangolin/MissingPackages is also being linked to from the agenda | 05:03 |
| holstein | astraljava: cool :) | 05:03 |
| len-1204 | On the install I can edit that stuff, but on the live I can't log out of the session and restart. | 05:03 |
| len-1204 | the lightdm stuff is still broke too.... more broken now as the background has vanished as well. | 05:05 |
| astraljava | Ok, I made a few examples there, please expand the list as you find them in other work flows, too. | 05:07 |
| len-1204 | Also, the live dvd persistence setup seems to default to startup all apps where they were when you shutdown. Can that be changed? | 05:07 |
| astraljava | len-1204: It is still broken. I'm going to work on it today. Will probably make it in Monday's or Tuesday's images. | 05:08 |
| len-1204 | If the installer hangs and you reboot you don't even get to the session before the installer starts again. | 05:08 |
| astraljava | len-1204: That sounds like some session saving mechanism. You don't think users would want that? | 05:08 |
| astraljava | That's strange. | 05:09 |
| len-1204 | As luck would have it I had an xterm running when it shut down too. | 05:10 |
| len-1204 | But I never got the menu bar or background or any of that. | 05:10 |
| len-1204 | The installer hung because my wireless cycled part way through the install. | 05:12 |
| astraljava | len-1204: Yeah, that's unfortunate. You could file a bug about that, so we can keep track of it. | 05:12 |
| len-1204 | I did file a bug about the installer hanging. But I could add to it. | 05:13 |
| astraljava | I have a hard time calling oneiric a recommended release. Going to change that on the wiki and replace it with lucid. | 05:13 |
| astraljava | len-1204: Yeah a good idea. | 05:13 |
| len-1204 | ;-) | 05:13 |
| len-1204 | I'd have to reboot though... | 05:15 |
| astraljava | len-1204: Whenever, it's not too urgent. | 05:15 |
| len-1204 | I still have problems with foo yc20. Lots of xruns and nasty jackd reports | 05:16 |
| len-1204 | even after getting rt working. | 05:16 |
| len-1204 | misses key release messages... sounds real bad. does it work for anyone else? | 05:17 |
| astraljava | len-1204: I suppose a bug report of that one is in order, too. Probably nothing we can do, but forward it to upstream. | 05:28 |
| micahg | astraljava: so, about a gmusicbrowser backport, should be fine, one would just need to test gmusicbrowser and remuco-gmusicbrowser with it | 06:28 |
| astraljava | micahg: Ok, thanks! Sounds good. | 09:32 |
| micahg | astraljava: you want the new blender now, right? | 09:34 |
| astraljava | I'm not a graphics guy, but I would assume as much, yes. | 10:25 |
| astraljava | Does anyone remember the bug number for missing the desktop session in precise? My lp-fu seems to be rusty today. | 10:51 |
| astraljava | holstein: Anything to say re: agenda? | 16:22 |
| holstein | astraljava: nah | 16:22 |
| astraljava | Ok. | 16:22 |
| holstein | i think len has the testing down | 16:22 |
| astraljava | I noticed there were apps added to the page we talked about yesterday, but no additional work flows. | 16:23 |
| astraljava | T - 15 for the meeting, anybody out there? | 16:48 |
| knome | i'm *in* *here* | 16:48 |
| astraljava | *pfft* | 16:48 |
| knome | astraljava, is the meeting here or at #ubuntu-meeting? | 16:58 |
| astraljava | Latter. | 16:58 |
| knome | could lurk in for a while | 16:59 |
| astraljava | Doesn't seem like there's anything lurk-worthy. | 17:00 |
| knome | hehe | 17:00 |
| astraljava | Oh well, snooker starts soon... | 17:02 |
| knome | mmh. | 17:02 |
| knome | and the news and sports | 17:02 |
| knome | see you later :) | 17:02 |
| astraljava | Later. :) | 17:02 |
| len | Anything happening? | 17:08 |
| len | ubuntu-meeting looks dead.... so does here. | 17:13 |
| len | astraljava: later today, I will try installing all the missing SW to make sure it is installable and at least looks like it runs. | 17:15 |
| len | I have only i386 machines, so I can't talk for amd64. Anything that doesn't work "out of the box" I would suggest removing that work flow for 12.04. | 17:16 |
| len | Basically that is what Scott has said anyway. | 17:17 |
| astraljava | len: Yeah, there's no one around for the meeting. | 17:20 |
| len | I saw that. | 17:20 |
| astraljava | len: I plan to install the daily as well, and have a look at the packages, too. | 17:21 |
| astraljava | I can do amd64. | 17:21 |
| len | Ok. | 17:21 |
| astraljava | I'll also test the lightdm-greeter issue, I have the fix pretty much ready. | 17:21 |
| len | If they load and run put them in. | 17:21 |
| astraljava | But I don't know how long it takes to get it into the images. | 17:21 |
| len | Sounds good | 17:21 |
| len | It seems pretty quick... like next build. | 17:22 |
| len | Anything that Scott has done has been. Anything that changes seeds goes quick. | 17:22 |
| astraljava | Yeah, but I want someone more experienced to review it, first. | 17:22 |
| len | That is not me. | 17:22 |
| astraljava | I'm thinking Micah or Luke. | 17:23 |
| len | I'm pretty raw | 17:23 |
| len | Yeah | 17:23 |
| len | Try foo yc20 on the amd64 maybe it works there. | 17:23 |
| astraljava | Yep, I'll fiddle with it a bit. | 17:24 |
| len | Maybe it likes lots of memory and I only have 1g | 17:24 |
| len | But it is not usable on either of my machines | 17:24 |
| len | If it was me, I would be trying lots of changes. It seems things are pretty automated and so long as you keep the old one around... if it fails is no big deal. | 17:26 |
| astraljava | That's true, too. | 17:27 |
| len | Gives me something to test ;-) | 17:27 |
| astraljava | Yeah, I have 3GB, so we should see if it's that. | 17:27 |
| len | Anyway, I'm supposed to be setting up to play, so I should go. | 17:27 |
| astraljava | Ok, catch ya later then. | 17:28 |
| Len-live | Live has audio group again... but no rt - audio.conf.disabled | 22:34 |
| Len-live | Cool, pulse-jack bridging worked... not without trouble... | 22:39 |
| Len-live | When i started jack, pulse died. jack showed no pulse. Restarted jack still no pulse. Started pulse mixer, pulse restarted and connected to jack. | 22:41 |
| Len-live | Playing an ogg through audacious->pulse->jackd->speakers. | 22:42 |
| Len-live | sounds like it may be a timing thing... jack has to be fully up and running before pulse starts. | 22:43 |
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