[00:52] We seem to have lost audio group on install today. [00:56] I am having second (maybe third and fourth) thoughts about installing with the network connected. [00:58] ubiquity (and the alt installer for that matter) seem to deal badly with intermittent net service. [01:00] There seems to be no ability to skip over a trouble download. There also seems to be no way of telling the person installing something has gone wrong. [01:02] I have had the installer hang or crash on me do to download problems 3 or 4 times now. [01:02] I am about to the point of recommending netless install. [01:03] This would be a problem for things like ubuntu desktop where they are trying to keep things to cd size. [01:10] len-1204: fine with me [01:12] US has all the needed stuff on the DVD so the only thing we get from net is flash. (goody :-P ) [02:46] Whats the default CLI editor? Nano no more? [03:01] len-1204: should be nano i say [03:02] maybe its just a glitch [03:06] holstein: I would think that is part of the base install, but all I could find was vi :/ [03:07] I have to think to hard to use vi... [03:19] len-1204: hehe.. i have to RTFM each time ;) [04:03] It sounds like a problem. Probably the reason is a missing 'ubuntu-standard'. Can you check? [04:04] Hmm... formal meeting in T - 13 hours. [04:04] Probably need to go over the agenda. [04:05] i cant make it :/ [04:05] gt a concert [04:05] got* [04:07] holstein: Ok. I have a few topics in mind, so can you go over the agenda and write your opinions prior to that? [04:09] maybe [04:09] ill give it a look [04:09] im with you guys though! [04:09] i still plan on testing [04:09] I'll let you know in here when it's done from my part. [04:09] and helping get some screenies for the installer [04:09] Good, good. [04:30] Synaptic says ubuntu-standard is not installed astraljava [04:32] no telnet either..but ssh is, different package I guess [04:33] I think we need to very carefully go over the seeding once again. List the important and essential packages that are missing. [04:38] astraljava: even inthat package nano is only a recommends. [04:39] Most of it's depends seem to be there. [04:44] holstein: len-1204: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2012February5 [04:44] Any other things to discuss? [04:44] We're running out of time before Feature Freeze sets in. [04:44] So if anything's urgent, we gotta step on it now. [04:45] len-1204: Yeah but installing the seeds uses recommends these days, so that _should_ be in. [04:46] If it goes in the recommends should be speced too. It looks like a lot of work flows are getting dropped. [04:47] len-1204: What does that mean? [04:47] The depends don't get nano for example. [04:47] nano is just recommended [04:49] There are a lot of apps missing to fill up the work flows. [04:49] I just looked at the audio workflows, not the video or graphics ones. But they are shorter. [04:49] yup [04:50] i was actually just trying to recruit a CAD guy :) [04:50] we need more video folk [04:50] The audio workflows page has 20 work flows? [04:50] yeah, its a bit all over the place [04:50] i think the workflow thing has gotten too busy [04:50] but it can be trimmed down [04:50] and the idea is great [04:51] I do think there should be a recording program a little bit lighter than ardour though. [04:51] sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-pocasting [04:51] len-1204: im still not sure why audacity is gone [04:51] though it made sense at the time [04:51] audacity seems like a no-brainer [04:51] I would think so. [04:53] holstein: I tried sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-pocasting and also with the d but it says there isn't one. [04:54] len-1204: oh.. sorry [04:54] im just saying, hypothetically, that would be nice [04:54] thats what the work-flows are about [04:54] its a neat idea [04:54] just a little busy [04:55] Nicer with a gui to deal with it. [04:55] and you can never really please everyone [04:55] its a general idea of what folks would want to use [04:55] think of the MIDI one [04:55] For me, I would just rather install everything and use what I want [04:55] that could pull in *so* much [04:56] len-1204: i definitely want to clear out some cobwebs [04:56] It would need it's own menu [04:56] len-1204: they are going in a dock i think [04:56] AWN [04:56] I would like a cleaner menu. [04:56] i plan on removing it ;) [04:57] The dock might be ok... but with my screen horizontal takes too much room. [04:57] i like how xubuntu has a dock, but its just a panel [04:58] not that i want that one either, but at least its not an extra package [04:58] As the screens get wider the height of things starts to matter [04:58] i have a gnome panel with launchers on it on my audio rig [04:58] thats down the side actually [04:58] like the install slide show xubuntu has goes right off the bottom of my screen. [04:58] The "dock" in Xubuntu is really no different from a gnome panel [04:59] yup, its just an xfce panel [04:59] and it looks fine [04:59] Just that it has become common to edit the panel properties to make it function more like a dock [04:59] You could really have done that in Gnome2 as well [04:59] I shrink it, vertical it and stick it to the side..... ala unity... [04:59] yup... i basically do [05:00] i just have it on the side [05:00] but, i dont use it much anymore [05:00] i much prefer kupfer [05:00] i dont really use a dock or a panel since that [05:00] but, most folks want a dock or a menu [05:00] and/or [05:00] I hardly make any changes at all since installing Gnome3. [05:01] I change the wallpaper [05:01] i like how clean my openbox setup is with no menu like that, and no dock [05:01] Not that you can do much to change Gnome3 :P [05:01] ailo: hehe... i was just typing a smart-ass message about that ;) [05:02] I change the clock to 24h and make it show the date [05:02] Oh another thing to ask at the meeting is why the installer is no longer in the audio group. I thought we fixed that. That and no real time are probably bigger than a lot of other things. [05:02] Yep. Those are essential if you want to call it a multimedia distro in my view [05:02] i think those things are coming though [05:03] the live CD is really new [05:03] len-1204: holstein: ailo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PrecisePangolin/MissingPackages is also being linked to from the agenda [05:03] astraljava: cool :) [05:03] On the install I can edit that stuff, but on the live I can't log out of the session and restart. [05:05] the lightdm stuff is still broke too.... more broken now as the background has vanished as well. [05:07] Ok, I made a few examples there, please expand the list as you find them in other work flows, too. [05:07] Also, the live dvd persistence setup seems to default to startup all apps where they were when you shutdown. Can that be changed? [05:08] len-1204: It is still broken. I'm going to work on it today. Will probably make it in Monday's or Tuesday's images. [05:08] If the installer hangs and you reboot you don't even get to the session before the installer starts again. [05:08] len-1204: That sounds like some session saving mechanism. You don't think users would want that? [05:09] That's strange. [05:10] As luck would have it I had an xterm running when it shut down too. [05:10] But I never got the menu bar or background or any of that. [05:12] The installer hung because my wireless cycled part way through the install. [05:12] len-1204: Yeah, that's unfortunate. You could file a bug about that, so we can keep track of it. [05:13] I did file a bug about the installer hanging. But I could add to it. [05:13] I have a hard time calling oneiric a recommended release. Going to change that on the wiki and replace it with lucid. [05:13] len-1204: Yeah a good idea. [05:13] ;-) [05:15] I'd have to reboot though... [05:15] len-1204: Whenever, it's not too urgent. [05:16] I still have problems with foo yc20. Lots of xruns and nasty jackd reports [05:16] even after getting rt working. [05:17] misses key release messages... sounds real bad. does it work for anyone else? [05:28] len-1204: I suppose a bug report of that one is in order, too. Probably nothing we can do, but forward it to upstream. [06:28] astraljava: so, about a gmusicbrowser backport, should be fine, one would just need to test gmusicbrowser and remuco-gmusicbrowser with it [09:32] micahg: Ok, thanks! Sounds good. [09:34] astraljava: you want the new blender now, right? [10:25] I'm not a graphics guy, but I would assume as much, yes. [10:51] Does anyone remember the bug number for missing the desktop session in precise? My lp-fu seems to be rusty today. [16:22] holstein: Anything to say re: agenda? [16:22] astraljava: nah [16:22] Ok. [16:22] i think len has the testing down [16:23] I noticed there were apps added to the page we talked about yesterday, but no additional work flows. [16:48] T - 15 for the meeting, anybody out there? [16:48] i'm *in* *here* [16:48] *pfft* [16:58] astraljava, is the meeting here or at #ubuntu-meeting? [16:58] Latter. [16:59] could lurk in for a while [17:00] Doesn't seem like there's anything lurk-worthy. [17:00] hehe [17:02] Oh well, snooker starts soon... [17:02] mmh. [17:02] and the news and sports [17:02] see you later :) [17:02] Later. :) [17:08] Anything happening? [17:13] ubuntu-meeting looks dead.... so does here. [17:15] astraljava: later today, I will try installing all the missing SW to make sure it is installable and at least looks like it runs. [17:16] I have only i386 machines, so I can't talk for amd64. Anything that doesn't work "out of the box" I would suggest removing that work flow for 12.04. [17:17] Basically that is what Scott has said anyway. [17:20] len: Yeah, there's no one around for the meeting. [17:20] I saw that. [17:21] len: I plan to install the daily as well, and have a look at the packages, too. [17:21] I can do amd64. [17:21] Ok. [17:21] I'll also test the lightdm-greeter issue, I have the fix pretty much ready. [17:21] If they load and run put them in. [17:21] But I don't know how long it takes to get it into the images. [17:21] Sounds good [17:22] It seems pretty quick... like next build. [17:22] Anything that Scott has done has been. Anything that changes seeds goes quick. [17:22] Yeah, but I want someone more experienced to review it, first. [17:22] That is not me. [17:23] I'm thinking Micah or Luke. [17:23] I'm pretty raw [17:23] Yeah [17:23] Try foo yc20 on the amd64 maybe it works there. [17:24] Yep, I'll fiddle with it a bit. [17:24] Maybe it likes lots of memory and I only have 1g [17:24] But it is not usable on either of my machines [17:26] If it was me, I would be trying lots of changes. It seems things are pretty automated and so long as you keep the old one around... if it fails is no big deal. [17:27] That's true, too. [17:27] Gives me something to test ;-) [17:27] Yeah, I have 3GB, so we should see if it's that. [17:27] Anyway, I'm supposed to be setting up to play, so I should go. [17:28] Ok, catch ya later then. [22:34] Live has audio group again... but no rt - audio.conf.disabled [22:39] Cool, pulse-jack bridging worked... not without trouble... [22:41] When i started jack, pulse died. jack showed no pulse. Restarted jack still no pulse. Started pulse mixer, pulse restarted and connected to jack. [22:42] Playing an ogg through audacious->pulse->jackd->speakers. [22:43] sounds like it may be a timing thing... jack has to be fully up and running before pulse starts.