acerimmeradded 12.04 wallpapers @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/UserContributed#preview00:00
artaog'day mateys14:53
artaoquery: What's the purpose of having PulseAudio installed? i understand having ALA and JACK14:54
artaoI ask because it seems PA is hijacking my keyboard volume knob .. it only controls PA volume, not system volume14:54
artaospent HOURS yesterday playing with LADI/JACK/MIDI apps .. SO fricken cool!!! :D thx for distributing this all set up and working together!!14:55
artaoi really need to get my hands on an external USB keyboard/MIDI controller tho .. playing the computer keyboard is a skill unto its own14:56
artaoi ask here 'cause I figure this whole ALSA/JACK/PA/MIDI setup is particular to US, and not applicable in Xubuntu or xfce IRC channels ..14:57
XartaoXi'm the same guy as artao, just logged in now on my desktop .. on IRC on two machines, so i hafta have a different nick on this one16:15
XartaoXabout PulseAudio hijacking the volume knob on my keyboard ... can I fix this?16:16
XartaoXif so, how?16:16
holsteinXartaoX: we have pulse installed because its arguably more "desktop" like to have pulse16:16
holsteinlots of ubuntustudio users may not use audio/JACK or production16:16
holsteinwe are discussing maybe going ALSA only, but that will likely not be this cycle16:17
holsteinthere are several ways to address what you are trying to get at16:17
holsteinfirst... you can strip pulse out16:17
XartaoXlay 'em on me :D16:17
holsteinyou could also work on mapping the keyboard shortcuts16:18
holsteinyou could also just open the mixer and deal with it16:18
XartaoXk. where?16:18
holsteinXartaoX: you can do that several ways to16:18
XartaoXyeah, that's what I've been doing ... PITA16:18
holsteinnone of which are going to be "click here and type..."16:18
holsteinyou can put a custom xorg.conf in place16:18
XartaoXi guess partly i don't understand the diff. between PA and ALSA16:18
holsteinyou could also look into a differnet volume control16:18
XartaoXconfig files then16:18
holsteinXartaoX: pulse is kind of like JACK16:19
holsteinit runs ontop of ALSA16:19
holsteinif you'ld like more explanation than that, you'll have to find a pulse dev16:19
holsteinthere are pulse audio channels16:19
holsteinand also.. the #xubuntu channel16:19
holsteinim not saying you cant hang here and ask, but if you are running the latest ubuntustudio, that is xubuntu pretty much16:20
XartaoXwell ... i figure 'cause MS comes with all 3 together plus MIDI configured, it's best to ask in here :)16:20
holsteinyou can go to #xubuntu and say "my keyboard volume knobs are not doing what i want in XFCE "16:20
holsteinXartaoX: MS?16:20
XartaoXi guess I'm mostly OK with PA being controlled by the keyboard vol. knob ... except that it only goes thru a VERY limited range of volume adjustment16:21
XartaoXbarely makes any diff. actually, to the point of being near useless16:21
XartaoXMS .... sorry ... US (ubuntu studio) heh16:21
XartaoXdamn fingers!! they're not finging right!!! ;) :P16:21
holsteinXartaoX: sure.. but we (i) deal mostly with audio production16:21
holsteinwhen i start JACK, pulse suspends, and i get to work :)16:22
holsteinagain, im not kicking you out, just trying to get you the help you need16:22
XartaoXwhen I start LADI, it shows BOTH PA and std. audio in and out nodes ...16:22
XartaoXi understand :) all good16:22
holsteinthats new16:23
holsteinim not using 11.10, nor do i plan to16:23
holsteini did test though, and im testing 12.0416:23
holsteini have no interest in pulseaudio in my audio workstation16:23
XartaoXwhen i download US, i didn't realize 11.10 was an intermediary release ... :(16:23
holsteinbut, its going to simplify a lot of things having it there16:23
holsteinXartaoX: that ubuntu in general16:24
holstein10.04 and 12.04 are LTS.. long term support16:24
holsteinthey are not really 'intermediary' or 'testing'16:24
XartaoXwill i have to completely re-install to move to 12.04 or will update 'just do it'16:24
holsteinthey are just arguably more experimental, and not supported as long16:24
holsteinXartaoX: i usually test the upgrade to make sure its working on at least one machine, and then i do a fresh install16:25
holsteinXartaoX: do what you like... will it upgrade? sure.. i find, best case an upgrade takes 5 hours16:25
holsteini can reinsall in like 20 minutes16:25
holsteinOK.. i gotta run.. i have a concert in 30 minutes :)16:26
holsteintry #opensourcemusicians if you get lonely16:26
XartaoXhave fun!! break a leg (or tooth, or finger) ;)16:26
XartaoXok .. why can't i start bash?18:17
astraljavaXartaoX: What are you doing, and can you pastebin any errors?18:17
XartaoXi chose 'run program' from the applications menu, entered bash, and nothing happened18:17
astraljavaYeah, that's something you run in a terminal.18:18
XartaoXi also tried bash from a terminal emulator, and nothing happened18:18
astraljavaHEheh. :)18:18
XartaoXi thought bash opened a command line shell ?18:18
astraljavaYou had already bash running when you opened the terminal.18:18
XartaoXi've got term 0.4.8 runing18:18
XartaoXaha .. it does that automatically then?  I open a term I AM running bash?18:19
astraljavabash is the shell, without which you can't do anything in the terminal at all.18:19
XartaoXunderstood :D thx18:19
astraljavaNo worries.18:19
XartaoXcan anyone recommend to me a VNC app I can use to connect to my win xp machine? it's running TightVNC, but it's my understanding that that matters not18:31
XartaoXsupport for dual-head is requred, as it's my media server and is hooked up to my TV as the second display18:32
XartaoXalso, is Xinerama compatible with US ?18:34
astraljavaXartaoX: Don't know about VNC, but if you get dual-head working in any other *buntu, you'll get it for Studio.18:37
XartaoXi've got dual head working, in extended mode, but I have to run grandr to reconfigure every time i reboot18:37
XartaoXwhich, to be fair, isn't often18:37
XartaoXon a related note .... when i went to sleep i set my machine to 'suspend', and when i woke up and tapped the spacebar it didn't come back up ... i had to reboot18:38
XartaoXshould i use 'hibernate' instead? ... on win i just hit 'sleep'18:39
astraljavaXartaoX: suspend/resume errors usually are due to usage of proprietary graphics/other drivers. Are you using some?18:41
XartaoXummm ... don't think so18:41
astraljavaXartaoX: Also, `apt-cache search vnc` gives a lot of hits, so experiment with anything there.18:42
astraljavaXartaoX: Ok, let me find some info for debugging the problem.18:42
XartaoXi was JUST looking that stuff up ... I'm using the standard installed driver for ATI x60018:42
astraljavaXartaoX: I'll also check out how to find the persistent settings with the usage of grandr, I presume it command xrandr in the back, but let's see.18:42
XartaoXNOT using the Catalyst driver (which, i learned, does NOT support the ATI x series)18:42
XartaoXre: vnc ... exactly LOTS of hits ... which one to choose?18:43
XartaoX;) lol18:43
astraljavaXartaoX: Have a go with this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend18:43
XartaoXja, grandr is a graphical frontend to randr18:44
astraljavaXartaoX: Here is a good thread re: making [g|x]randr settings persistent: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=111218618:45
XartaoXagain, thx18:46
XartaoXhmmm ... i don't HAVE (or can't find) and xorg.conf18:47
XartaoXhere's my directory for /etc/X1118:48
XartaoXfreeman@ubuntu:/etc/X11$ ls -l18:48
XartaoXtotal 7218:48
XartaoXdrwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 2012-02-03 15:38 app-defaults18:48
XartaoXdrwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 2012-02-03 15:37 cursors18:48
XartaoX-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    18 2012-02-03 15:34 default-display-manager18:48
XartaoXdrwxr-xr-x 4 root root  4096 2012-02-03 15:33 fonts18:48
XartaoX-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 17394 2009-12-03 04:56 rgb.txt18:48
XartaoXlrwxrwxrwx 1 root root    13 2012-02-03 15:37 X -> /usr/bin/Xorg18:48
XartaoXdrwxr-xr-x 3 root root  4096 2012-02-03 15:37 xinit18:48
XartaoXdrwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 2011-10-05 17:29 xkb18:48
XartaoX-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root   709 2010-04-01 06:19 Xreset18:48
XartaoXdrwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 2012-02-03 17:37 Xreset.d18:48
XartaoXdrwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 2012-02-03 17:37 Xresources18:48
XartaoX-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  3730 2011-08-26 00:13 Xsession18:48
XartaoXdrwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 2012-02-03 17:37 Xsession.d18:48
XartaoX-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   265 2008-07-01 12:41 Xsession.options18:48
XartaoX-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   601 2012-02-03 15:34 Xwrapper.config18:48
XartaoXererr .... ok, wide mode output18:48
XartaoXfreeman@ubuntu:/etc/X11$ ls18:48
XartaoXapp-defaults             fonts    xinit   Xreset.d    Xsession.d18:48
XartaoXcursors                  rgb.txt  xkb     Xresources  Xsession.options18:48
XartaoXdefault-display-manager  X        Xreset  Xsession    Xwrapper.config18:48
XartaoXfreeman@ubuntu:/etc/X11$ ^C18:48
astraljava!paste | XartaoX18:49
ubottuXartaoX: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.18:49
astraljavaThere is no xorg.conf when the display settings are auto-probed.18:49
astraljavaBut you can still create it, it'll be used if there is one.18:49
XartaoX... apparently gotta install pastebinit ... and it's done ...18:51
XartaoXummmmmm ..... read the man page, read the --help .... soooooo .... how do i pastebinit  a few lines from my console?18:53
XartaoXwould I do a " ls | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com " ???18:54
XartaoXand then it goes directly here?18:55
astraljava$ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | pastebinit18:56
XartaoXok ... i did the command i asked about above, and it gave me an output of ...18:57
XartaoXi seeee how that works now :D18:58
XartaoXlearnin and learnin ;)18:58
astraljavaYep, seemed to work just fine.18:59
XartaoXhmmm ... arandr let me save my layout .... it saved it to $HOME/.screenlayout/arandr.output.sh19:16
XartaoXthe filename is my own ... arandr added the .sh19:17
XartaoXwill THAT set my desktop to dual head extended display on reboot?19:17
XartaoXi'm confused .. XD19:17
XartaoXgrandr won't let me save anything, just change it ... ... i just now read that grandr is meant for a gnome environment19:18
XartaoXhowever, i remember i tried arandr before grandr, and it wouldn't let me drag my secondary display away from my primary19:18
XartaoXAFTER using grandr to set my dual-head to extended mode, i can now drag my screens around just fine in arandr19:19
XartaoX!!! XD !!!!19:19
astraljavaI have a script I run everytime my extended monitor is connected, so yes, I would assume that one is like it. However, I just experimented with xrandr myself, so am not sure what output arandr gives ya. Of course, you could pastebinit.19:21
XartaoXi DO however notice there's nothing in there regarding refresh rate ... my primary monitor can do 75Hz at 1280x1024 .. the secondary only 60Hz at the same rez19:29
XartaoXthat's a VERY minor concern tho19:30
astraljavaI somehow seem to recall only CRTs being pickier about refresh rates. Could be wrong, though.19:38
XartaoXja ... the 60Hz one is an older CRT (viewsonic A70) .. my primary is an LCD19:39
XartaoXcrts can be damaged irreparably by setting the refresh too high19:40
astraljava$ xrandr --help19:42
astraljavausage: xrandr [options] where options are:19:42
astraljava<snip> -r <rate> or --rate <rate> or --refresh <rate>19:42
astraljavaWeird, where did the extra linefeeds go?19:42
astraljavaWell anyway, -r or --rate or --refresh  are the options for setting the refresh rates.19:43
XartaoXok ... I'm working on getting my computer to come out of suspend via usb keyboard or mouse20:02
XartaoXi've gotten as far as reading /proc/acpi/wakeup20:02
XartaoXi tried echo USB0 > /proc/acpi/wakeup ... permission denied20:03
XartaoXi tried the same command prepended with sudo ... permission denied20:03
XartaoX<sigh> how do i get permission to alter this file?20:03
XartaoXummmm ... does US not include a simple GUI text editor?20:05
holsteinXartaoX: ?20:06
holsteingedit *was* in there20:07
holsteinleafpad is xubuntu's text editor AFAIK20:07
holsteinsudo apt-get install gedit20:07
holsteingksudo gedit /proc/acpi/wakeup20:07
holsteinwe are looking at GUI and CLI text editors in 12.04 to make sure they are there and they work20:09
astraljavaYep, 11.10 was missing a GUI editor, IIRC.20:20
astraljavaXartaoX: prepending `echo USB0 > /proc/acpi/wakeup` doesn't work, as sudo only affects the `echo FOO` part, not the redirection. You should use `echo FOO | sudo tee -a BAZ`, or get to a root prompt with `sudo -i`.20:22
astraljavaXartaoX: But beware, with root privileges, you can do a lot of damage if not being careful.20:22
astraljavaSo, double, or better yet, triple-check everything you're about to do.20:23
holsteinyeah. sudo undo doesnt work in most cases ;)20:23
XartaoXi c20:26
astraljavaWould be an interesting concept, implementing undo in bash. :)20:27
XartaoXand i back out of root prompt with 'exit' ?20:27
astraljavaYes, or Ctrl + D.20:27
XartaoXcool. that worked. now to see if i can come out of suspend with kb or mouse20:28
XartaoXhopefully ;)20:28
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artaono wake up20:34
artaogotta reboot20:34
holsteinwith linux, you really hae to choose your battles :)20:35
artaoi enabled USB0 thru USB320:36
artaoi'll just try to enable everything20:36
artaoi really really kinda need suspend ... well .. 'need' ... strongly desire let's say ;)20:36
holsteinwell, you have suspend, you just really want it to wakd up via USB20:37
holsteini would check the bios20:37
artaoit's worked prior to instaling US fine .. even runing off Live USB or dvd20:38
artaoso it ain't the BIOS20:38
holsteinwith XFCE?20:38
holsteinmaybe thats the deal.. if you are new to XFCE20:38
holsteinagain, i would be asking in #xubuntu.. those guys are great20:38
artaohmmm ... not with xfce i guess20:40
XartaoXso i'll ask over in #xubuntu20:40
XartaoXAND I'll continue reading the "how to debug suspend" linky y'allz gave me earlier20:41
XartaoX... i guess full reboot really IS pretty quick20:42
XartaoXalso, it turns out i CAN change my scree layout with arandr ... ... as well as grandr20:42
XartaoXarandr lets me save settings tho20:42
XartaoXnow i just need to get the system to USE those settings on reboot20:43

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