| acerimmer | added 12.04 wallpapers @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/UserContributed#preview | 00:00 |
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| artao | g'day mateys | 14:53 |
| artao | yar | 14:53 |
| artao | query: What's the purpose of having PulseAudio installed? i understand having ALA and JACK | 14:54 |
| artao | I ask because it seems PA is hijacking my keyboard volume knob .. it only controls PA volume, not system volume | 14:54 |
| artao | spent HOURS yesterday playing with LADI/JACK/MIDI apps .. SO fricken cool!!! :D thx for distributing this all set up and working together!! | 14:55 |
| artao | <3 | 14:55 |
| artao | i really need to get my hands on an external USB keyboard/MIDI controller tho .. playing the computer keyboard is a skill unto its own | 14:56 |
| artao | i ask here 'cause I figure this whole ALSA/JACK/PA/MIDI setup is particular to US, and not applicable in Xubuntu or xfce IRC channels .. | 14:57 |
| XartaoX | hai | 16:15 |
| XartaoX | i'm the same guy as artao, just logged in now on my desktop .. on IRC on two machines, so i hafta have a different nick on this one | 16:15 |
| XartaoX | anyhow | 16:16 |
| XartaoX | about PulseAudio hijacking the volume knob on my keyboard ... can I fix this? | 16:16 |
| XartaoX | if so, how? | 16:16 |
| holstein | XartaoX: we have pulse installed because its arguably more "desktop" like to have pulse | 16:16 |
| holstein | lots of ubuntustudio users may not use audio/JACK or production | 16:16 |
| XartaoX | k | 16:17 |
| holstein | we are discussing maybe going ALSA only, but that will likely not be this cycle | 16:17 |
| holstein | there are several ways to address what you are trying to get at | 16:17 |
| holstein | first... you can strip pulse out | 16:17 |
| XartaoX | lay 'em on me :D | 16:17 |
| holstein | you could also work on mapping the keyboard shortcuts | 16:18 |
| holstein | you could also just open the mixer and deal with it | 16:18 |
| XartaoX | k. where? | 16:18 |
| holstein | XartaoX: you can do that several ways to | 16:18 |
| XartaoX | yeah, that's what I've been doing ... PITA | 16:18 |
| holstein | none of which are going to be "click here and type..." | 16:18 |
| holstein | you can put a custom xorg.conf in place | 16:18 |
| XartaoX | i guess partly i don't understand the diff. between PA and ALSA | 16:18 |
| holstein | you could also look into a differnet volume control | 16:18 |
| XartaoX | config files then | 16:18 |
| holstein | XartaoX: pulse is kind of like JACK | 16:19 |
| holstein | it runs ontop of ALSA | 16:19 |
| holstein | if you'ld like more explanation than that, you'll have to find a pulse dev | 16:19 |
| XartaoX | k | 16:19 |
| holstein | there are pulse audio channels | 16:19 |
| holstein | and also.. the #xubuntu channel | 16:19 |
| holstein | im not saying you cant hang here and ask, but if you are running the latest ubuntustudio, that is xubuntu pretty much | 16:20 |
| XartaoX | well ... i figure 'cause MS comes with all 3 together plus MIDI configured, it's best to ask in here :) | 16:20 |
| holstein | you can go to #xubuntu and say "my keyboard volume knobs are not doing what i want in XFCE " | 16:20 |
| holstein | XartaoX: MS? | 16:20 |
| XartaoX | i guess I'm mostly OK with PA being controlled by the keyboard vol. knob ... except that it only goes thru a VERY limited range of volume adjustment | 16:21 |
| XartaoX | barely makes any diff. actually, to the point of being near useless | 16:21 |
| XartaoX | MS .... sorry ... US (ubuntu studio) heh | 16:21 |
| XartaoX | damn fingers!! they're not finging right!!! ;) :P | 16:21 |
| holstein | XartaoX: sure.. but we (i) deal mostly with audio production | 16:21 |
| holstein | when i start JACK, pulse suspends, and i get to work :) | 16:22 |
| XartaoX | hunh | 16:22 |
| holstein | again, im not kicking you out, just trying to get you the help you need | 16:22 |
| XartaoX | when I start LADI, it shows BOTH PA and std. audio in and out nodes ... | 16:22 |
| XartaoX | i understand :) all good | 16:22 |
| holstein | right | 16:23 |
| holstein | thats new | 16:23 |
| holstein | im not using 11.10, nor do i plan to | 16:23 |
| holstein | i did test though, and im testing 12.04 | 16:23 |
| holstein | i have no interest in pulseaudio in my audio workstation | 16:23 |
| XartaoX | when i download US, i didn't realize 11.10 was an intermediary release ... :( | 16:23 |
| holstein | but, its going to simplify a lot of things having it there | 16:23 |
| holstein | XartaoX: that ubuntu in general | 16:24 |
| holstein | 10.04 and 12.04 are LTS.. long term support | 16:24 |
| XartaoX | ah | 16:24 |
| holstein | they are not really 'intermediary' or 'testing' | 16:24 |
| XartaoX | will i have to completely re-install to move to 12.04 or will update 'just do it' | 16:24 |
| holstein | they are just arguably more experimental, and not supported as long | 16:24 |
| holstein | XartaoX: i usually test the upgrade to make sure its working on at least one machine, and then i do a fresh install | 16:25 |
| holstein | XartaoX: do what you like... will it upgrade? sure.. i find, best case an upgrade takes 5 hours | 16:25 |
| holstein | i can reinsall in like 20 minutes | 16:25 |
| XartaoX | whoa | 16:25 |
| holstein | OK.. i gotta run.. i have a concert in 30 minutes :) | 16:26 |
| XartaoX | cool | 16:26 |
| holstein | try #opensourcemusicians if you get lonely | 16:26 |
| XartaoX | have fun!! break a leg (or tooth, or finger) ;) | 16:26 |
| XartaoX | ummm | 18:17 |
| XartaoX | ok .. why can't i start bash? | 18:17 |
| astraljava | XartaoX: What are you doing, and can you pastebin any errors? | 18:17 |
| XartaoX | i chose 'run program' from the applications menu, entered bash, and nothing happened | 18:17 |
| astraljava | Oh. | 18:17 |
| astraljava | Yeah, that's something you run in a terminal. | 18:18 |
| XartaoX | i also tried bash from a terminal emulator, and nothing happened | 18:18 |
| astraljava | HEheh. :) | 18:18 |
| XartaoX | i thought bash opened a command line shell ? | 18:18 |
| astraljava | You had already bash running when you opened the terminal. | 18:18 |
| XartaoX | i've got term 0.4.8 runing | 18:18 |
| XartaoX | aha .. it does that automatically then? I open a term I AM running bash? | 18:19 |
| astraljava | bash is the shell, without which you can't do anything in the terminal at all. | 18:19 |
| XartaoX | understood :D thx | 18:19 |
| astraljava | No worries. | 18:19 |
| XartaoX | can anyone recommend to me a VNC app I can use to connect to my win xp machine? it's running TightVNC, but it's my understanding that that matters not | 18:31 |
| XartaoX | support for dual-head is requred, as it's my media server and is hooked up to my TV as the second display | 18:32 |
| XartaoX | also, is Xinerama compatible with US ? | 18:34 |
| astraljava | XartaoX: Don't know about VNC, but if you get dual-head working in any other *buntu, you'll get it for Studio. | 18:37 |
| XartaoX | i've got dual head working, in extended mode, but I have to run grandr to reconfigure every time i reboot | 18:37 |
| XartaoX | which, to be fair, isn't often | 18:37 |
| XartaoX | ;) | 18:38 |
| XartaoX | on a related note .... when i went to sleep i set my machine to 'suspend', and when i woke up and tapped the spacebar it didn't come back up ... i had to reboot | 18:38 |
| XartaoX | should i use 'hibernate' instead? ... on win i just hit 'sleep' | 18:39 |
| astraljava | XartaoX: suspend/resume errors usually are due to usage of proprietary graphics/other drivers. Are you using some? | 18:41 |
| XartaoX | ummm ... don't think so | 18:41 |
| astraljava | XartaoX: Also, `apt-cache search vnc` gives a lot of hits, so experiment with anything there. | 18:42 |
| astraljava | XartaoX: Ok, let me find some info for debugging the problem. | 18:42 |
| XartaoX | i was JUST looking that stuff up ... I'm using the standard installed driver for ATI x600 | 18:42 |
| astraljava | XartaoX: I'll also check out how to find the persistent settings with the usage of grandr, I presume it command xrandr in the back, but let's see. | 18:42 |
| XartaoX | NOT using the Catalyst driver (which, i learned, does NOT support the ATI x series) | 18:42 |
| XartaoX | re: vnc ... exactly LOTS of hits ... which one to choose? | 18:43 |
| XartaoX | ;) lol | 18:43 |
| astraljava | XartaoX: Have a go with this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend | 18:43 |
| XartaoX | ja, grandr is a graphical frontend to randr | 18:44 |
| XartaoX | thx | 18:44 |
| astraljava | XartaoX: Here is a good thread re: making [g|x]randr settings persistent: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1112186 | 18:45 |
| XartaoX | again, thx | 18:46 |
| XartaoX | hmmm ... i don't HAVE (or can't find) and xorg.conf | 18:47 |
| XartaoX | here's my directory for /etc/X11 | 18:48 |
| XartaoX | freeman@ubuntu:/etc/X11$ ls -l | 18:48 |
| XartaoX | total 72 | 18:48 |
| XartaoX | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2012-02-03 15:38 app-defaults | 18:48 |
| XartaoX | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2012-02-03 15:37 cursors | 18:48 |
| XartaoX | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 18 2012-02-03 15:34 default-display-manager | 18:48 |
| XartaoX | drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 2012-02-03 15:33 fonts | 18:48 |
| XartaoX | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 17394 2009-12-03 04:56 rgb.txt | 18:48 |
| XartaoX | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2012-02-03 15:37 X -> /usr/bin/Xorg | 18:48 |
| XartaoX | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2012-02-03 15:37 xinit | 18:48 |
| XartaoX | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2011-10-05 17:29 xkb | 18:48 |
| XartaoX | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 709 2010-04-01 06:19 Xreset | 18:48 |
| XartaoX | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2012-02-03 17:37 Xreset.d | 18:48 |
| XartaoX | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2012-02-03 17:37 Xresources | 18:48 |
| XartaoX | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3730 2011-08-26 00:13 Xsession | 18:48 |
| XartaoX | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2012-02-03 17:37 Xsession.d | 18:48 |
| XartaoX | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 265 2008-07-01 12:41 Xsession.options | 18:48 |
| XartaoX | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 601 2012-02-03 15:34 Xwrapper.config | 18:48 |
| XartaoX | ererr .... ok, wide mode output | 18:48 |
| XartaoX | freeman@ubuntu:/etc/X11$ ls | 18:48 |
| XartaoX | app-defaults fonts xinit Xreset.d Xsession.d | 18:48 |
| XartaoX | cursors rgb.txt xkb Xresources Xsession.options | 18:48 |
| XartaoX | default-display-manager X Xreset Xsession Xwrapper.config | 18:48 |
| XartaoX | freeman@ubuntu:/etc/X11$ ^C | 18:48 |
| astraljava | Whee! | 18:49 |
| XartaoX | sorry | 18:49 |
| astraljava | !paste | XartaoX | 18:49 |
| ubottu | XartaoX: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 18:49 |
| XartaoX | aha | 18:49 |
| astraljava | There is no xorg.conf when the display settings are auto-probed. | 18:49 |
| XartaoX | aha | 18:49 |
| astraljava | But you can still create it, it'll be used if there is one. | 18:49 |
| XartaoX | aha!! | 18:49 |
| XartaoX | ... apparently gotta install pastebinit ... and it's done ... | 18:51 |
| XartaoX | ummmmmm ..... read the man page, read the --help .... soooooo .... how do i pastebinit a few lines from my console? | 18:53 |
| XartaoX | would I do a " ls | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com " ??? | 18:54 |
| XartaoX | and then it goes directly here? | 18:55 |
| astraljava | $ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | pastebinit | 18:56 |
| astraljava | http://paste.ubuntu.com/830434/ | 18:56 |
| XartaoX | ok ... i did the command i asked about above, and it gave me an output of ... | 18:57 |
| XartaoX | http://paste.ubuntu.com/830435/ | 18:57 |
| XartaoX | i seeee how that works now :D | 18:58 |
| XartaoX | learnin and learnin ;) | 18:58 |
| astraljava | Yep, seemed to work just fine. | 18:59 |
| XartaoX | hmmm ... arandr let me save my layout .... it saved it to $HOME/.screenlayout/arandr.output.sh | 19:16 |
| XartaoX | the filename is my own ... arandr added the .sh | 19:17 |
| XartaoX | will THAT set my desktop to dual head extended display on reboot? | 19:17 |
| XartaoX | i'm confused .. XD | 19:17 |
| XartaoX | grandr won't let me save anything, just change it ... ... i just now read that grandr is meant for a gnome environment | 19:18 |
| XartaoX | however, i remember i tried arandr before grandr, and it wouldn't let me drag my secondary display away from my primary | 19:18 |
| XartaoX | AFTER using grandr to set my dual-head to extended mode, i can now drag my screens around just fine in arandr | 19:19 |
| XartaoX | XD | 19:19 |
| XartaoX | !!! XD !!!! | 19:19 |
| astraljava | I have a script I run everytime my extended monitor is connected, so yes, I would assume that one is like it. However, I just experimented with xrandr myself, so am not sure what output arandr gives ya. Of course, you could pastebinit. | 19:21 |
| XartaoX | http://paste.ubuntu.com/830465/ | 19:28 |
| XartaoX | i DO however notice there's nothing in there regarding refresh rate ... my primary monitor can do 75Hz at 1280x1024 .. the secondary only 60Hz at the same rez | 19:29 |
| XartaoX | that's a VERY minor concern tho | 19:30 |
| astraljava | I somehow seem to recall only CRTs being pickier about refresh rates. Could be wrong, though. | 19:38 |
| XartaoX | ja ... the 60Hz one is an older CRT (viewsonic A70) .. my primary is an LCD | 19:39 |
| XartaoX | crts can be damaged irreparably by setting the refresh too high | 19:40 |
| astraljava | Right. | 19:40 |
| astraljava | $ xrandr --help | 19:42 |
| astraljava | usage: xrandr [options] where options are: | 19:42 |
| astraljava | <snip> -r <rate> or --rate <rate> or --refresh <rate> | 19:42 |
| astraljava | Weird, where did the extra linefeeds go? | 19:42 |
| astraljava | Well anyway, -r or --rate or --refresh are the options for setting the refresh rates. | 19:43 |
| XartaoX | ok ... I'm working on getting my computer to come out of suspend via usb keyboard or mouse | 20:02 |
| XartaoX | i've gotten as far as reading /proc/acpi/wakeup | 20:02 |
| XartaoX | i tried echo USB0 > /proc/acpi/wakeup ... permission denied | 20:03 |
| XartaoX | i tried the same command prepended with sudo ... permission denied | 20:03 |
| XartaoX | <sigh> how do i get permission to alter this file? | 20:03 |
| XartaoX | ummmm ... does US not include a simple GUI text editor? | 20:05 |
| holstein | XartaoX: ? | 20:06 |
| holstein | gedit *was* in there | 20:07 |
| holstein | leafpad is xubuntu's text editor AFAIK | 20:07 |
| holstein | sudo apt-get install gedit | 20:07 |
| holstein | gksudo gedit /proc/acpi/wakeup | 20:07 |
| holstein | we are looking at GUI and CLI text editors in 12.04 to make sure they are there and they work | 20:09 |
| astraljava | Yep, 11.10 was missing a GUI editor, IIRC. | 20:20 |
| astraljava | XartaoX: prepending `echo USB0 > /proc/acpi/wakeup` doesn't work, as sudo only affects the `echo FOO` part, not the redirection. You should use `echo FOO | sudo tee -a BAZ`, or get to a root prompt with `sudo -i`. | 20:22 |
| astraljava | XartaoX: But beware, with root privileges, you can do a lot of damage if not being careful. | 20:22 |
| astraljava | So, double, or better yet, triple-check everything you're about to do. | 20:23 |
| holstein | yeah. sudo undo doesnt work in most cases ;) | 20:23 |
| XartaoX | i c | 20:26 |
| astraljava | Would be an interesting concept, implementing undo in bash. :) | 20:27 |
| XartaoX | and i back out of root prompt with 'exit' ? | 20:27 |
| astraljava | Yes, or Ctrl + D. | 20:27 |
| XartaoX | cool. that worked. now to see if i can come out of suspend with kb or mouse | 20:28 |
| XartaoX | brb | 20:28 |
| XartaoX | hopefully ;) | 20:28 |
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| artao | nope | 20:34 |
| artao | no wake up | 20:34 |
| artao | gotta reboot | 20:34 |
| artao | <sigh>? | 20:34 |
| holstein | with linux, you really hae to choose your battles :) | 20:35 |
| holstein | have* | 20:35 |
| artao | i enabled USB0 thru USB3 | 20:36 |
| artao | i'll just try to enable everything | 20:36 |
| artao | i really really kinda need suspend ... well .. 'need' ... strongly desire let's say ;) | 20:36 |
| holstein | well, you have suspend, you just really want it to wakd up via USB | 20:37 |
| holstein | i would check the bios | 20:37 |
| artao | it's worked prior to instaling US fine .. even runing off Live USB or dvd | 20:38 |
| artao | so it ain't the BIOS | 20:38 |
| holstein | with XFCE? | 20:38 |
| holstein | maybe thats the deal.. if you are new to XFCE | 20:38 |
| holstein | again, i would be asking in #xubuntu.. those guys are great | 20:38 |
| astraljava | Seconded. | 20:40 |
| artao | k | 20:40 |
| artao | hmmm ... not with xfce i guess | 20:40 |
| XartaoX | so i'll ask over in #xubuntu | 20:40 |
| XartaoX | :D | 20:40 |
| XartaoX | AND I'll continue reading the "how to debug suspend" linky y'allz gave me earlier | 20:41 |
| XartaoX | :D | 20:41 |
| XartaoX | ... i guess full reboot really IS pretty quick | 20:42 |
| XartaoX | also, it turns out i CAN change my scree layout with arandr ... ... as well as grandr | 20:42 |
| XartaoX | arandr lets me save settings tho | 20:42 |
| XartaoX | now i just need to get the system to USE those settings on reboot | 20:43 |
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