[00:00] <acerimmer> added 12.04 wallpapers @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/UserContributed#preview
[14:53] <artao> g'day mateys
[14:53] <artao> yar
[14:54] <artao> query: What's the purpose of having PulseAudio installed? i understand having ALA and JACK
[14:54] <artao> I ask because it seems PA is hijacking my keyboard volume knob .. it only controls PA volume, not system volume
[14:55] <artao> spent HOURS yesterday playing with LADI/JACK/MIDI apps .. SO fricken cool!!! :D thx for distributing this all set up and working together!!
[14:55] <artao> <3
[14:56] <artao> i really need to get my hands on an external USB keyboard/MIDI controller tho .. playing the computer keyboard is a skill unto its own
[14:57] <artao> i ask here 'cause I figure this whole ALSA/JACK/PA/MIDI setup is particular to US, and not applicable in Xubuntu or xfce IRC channels ..
[16:15] <XartaoX> hai
[16:15] <XartaoX> i'm the same guy as artao, just logged in now on my desktop .. on IRC on two machines, so i hafta have a different nick on this one
[16:16] <XartaoX> anyhow
[16:16] <XartaoX> about PulseAudio hijacking the volume knob on my keyboard ... can I fix this?
[16:16] <XartaoX> if so, how?
[16:16] <holstein> XartaoX: we have pulse installed because its arguably more "desktop" like to have pulse
[16:16] <holstein> lots of ubuntustudio users may not use audio/JACK or production
[16:17] <XartaoX> k
[16:17] <holstein> we are discussing maybe going ALSA only, but that will likely not be this cycle
[16:17] <holstein> there are several ways to address what you are trying to get at
[16:17] <holstein> first... you can strip pulse out
[16:17] <XartaoX> lay 'em on me :D
[16:18] <holstein> you could also work on mapping the keyboard shortcuts
[16:18] <holstein> you could also just open the mixer and deal with it
[16:18] <XartaoX> k. where?
[16:18] <holstein> XartaoX: you can do that several ways to
[16:18] <XartaoX> yeah, that's what I've been doing ... PITA
[16:18] <holstein> none of which are going to be "click here and type..."
[16:18] <holstein> you can put a custom xorg.conf in place
[16:18] <XartaoX> i guess partly i don't understand the diff. between PA and ALSA
[16:18] <holstein> you could also look into a differnet volume control
[16:18] <XartaoX> config files then
[16:19] <holstein> XartaoX: pulse is kind of like JACK
[16:19] <holstein> it runs ontop of ALSA
[16:19] <holstein> if you'ld like more explanation than that, you'll have to find a pulse dev
[16:19] <XartaoX> k
[16:19] <holstein> there are pulse audio channels
[16:19] <holstein> and also.. the #xubuntu channel
[16:20] <holstein> im not saying you cant hang here and ask, but if you are running the latest ubuntustudio, that is xubuntu pretty much
[16:20] <XartaoX> well ... i figure 'cause MS comes with all 3 together plus MIDI configured, it's best to ask in here :)
[16:20] <holstein> you can go to #xubuntu and say "my keyboard volume knobs are not doing what i want in XFCE "
[16:20] <holstein> XartaoX: MS?
[16:21] <XartaoX> i guess I'm mostly OK with PA being controlled by the keyboard vol. knob ... except that it only goes thru a VERY limited range of volume adjustment
[16:21] <XartaoX> barely makes any diff. actually, to the point of being near useless
[16:21] <XartaoX> MS .... sorry ... US (ubuntu studio) heh
[16:21] <XartaoX> damn fingers!! they're not finging right!!! ;) :P
[16:21] <holstein> XartaoX: sure.. but we (i) deal mostly with audio production
[16:22] <holstein> when i start JACK, pulse suspends, and i get to work :)
[16:22] <XartaoX> hunh
[16:22] <holstein> again, im not kicking you out, just trying to get you the help you need
[16:22] <XartaoX> when I start LADI, it shows BOTH PA and std. audio in and out nodes ...
[16:22] <XartaoX> i understand :) all good
[16:23] <holstein> right
[16:23] <holstein> thats new
[16:23] <holstein> im not using 11.10, nor do i plan to
[16:23] <holstein> i did test though, and im testing 12.04
[16:23] <holstein> i have no interest in pulseaudio in my audio workstation
[16:23] <XartaoX> when i download US, i didn't realize 11.10 was an intermediary release ... :(
[16:23] <holstein> but, its going to simplify a lot of things having it there
[16:24] <holstein> XartaoX: that ubuntu in general
[16:24] <holstein> 10.04 and 12.04 are LTS.. long term support
[16:24] <XartaoX> ah
[16:24] <holstein> they are not really 'intermediary' or 'testing'
[16:24] <XartaoX> will i have to completely re-install to move to 12.04 or will update 'just do it'
[16:24] <holstein> they are just arguably more experimental, and not supported as long
[16:25] <holstein> XartaoX: i usually test the upgrade to make sure its working on at least one machine, and then i do a fresh install
[16:25] <holstein> XartaoX: do what you like... will it upgrade? sure.. i find, best case an upgrade takes 5 hours
[16:25] <holstein> i can reinsall in like 20 minutes
[16:25] <XartaoX> whoa
[16:26] <holstein> OK.. i gotta run.. i have a concert in 30 minutes :)
[16:26] <XartaoX> cool
[16:26] <holstein> try #opensourcemusicians if you get lonely
[16:26] <XartaoX> have fun!! break a leg (or tooth, or finger) ;)
[18:17] <XartaoX> ummm
[18:17] <XartaoX> ok .. why can't i start bash?
[18:17] <astraljava> XartaoX: What are you doing, and can you pastebin any errors?
[18:17] <XartaoX> i chose 'run program' from the applications menu, entered bash, and nothing happened
[18:17] <astraljava> Oh.
[18:18] <astraljava> Yeah, that's something you run in a terminal.
[18:18] <XartaoX> i also tried bash from a terminal emulator, and nothing happened
[18:18] <astraljava> HEheh. :)
[18:18] <XartaoX> i thought bash opened a command line shell ?
[18:18] <astraljava> You had already bash running when you opened the terminal.
[18:18] <XartaoX> i've got term 0.4.8 runing
[18:19] <XartaoX> aha .. it does that automatically then?  I open a term I AM running bash?
[18:19] <astraljava> bash is the shell, without which you can't do anything in the terminal at all.
[18:19] <XartaoX> understood :D thx
[18:19] <astraljava> No worries.
[18:31] <XartaoX> can anyone recommend to me a VNC app I can use to connect to my win xp machine? it's running TightVNC, but it's my understanding that that matters not
[18:32] <XartaoX> support for dual-head is requred, as it's my media server and is hooked up to my TV as the second display
[18:34] <XartaoX> also, is Xinerama compatible with US ?
[18:37] <astraljava> XartaoX: Don't know about VNC, but if you get dual-head working in any other *buntu, you'll get it for Studio.
[18:37] <XartaoX> i've got dual head working, in extended mode, but I have to run grandr to reconfigure every time i reboot
[18:37] <XartaoX> which, to be fair, isn't often
[18:38] <XartaoX> ;)
[18:38] <XartaoX> on a related note .... when i went to sleep i set my machine to 'suspend', and when i woke up and tapped the spacebar it didn't come back up ... i had to reboot
[18:39] <XartaoX> should i use 'hibernate' instead? ... on win i just hit 'sleep'
[18:41] <astraljava> XartaoX: suspend/resume errors usually are due to usage of proprietary graphics/other drivers. Are you using some?
[18:41] <XartaoX> ummm ... don't think so
[18:42] <astraljava> XartaoX: Also, `apt-cache search vnc` gives a lot of hits, so experiment with anything there.
[18:42] <astraljava> XartaoX: Ok, let me find some info for debugging the problem.
[18:42] <XartaoX> i was JUST looking that stuff up ... I'm using the standard installed driver for ATI x600
[18:42] <astraljava> XartaoX: I'll also check out how to find the persistent settings with the usage of grandr, I presume it command xrandr in the back, but let's see.
[18:42] <XartaoX> NOT using the Catalyst driver (which, i learned, does NOT support the ATI x series)
[18:43] <XartaoX> re: vnc ... exactly LOTS of hits ... which one to choose?
[18:43] <XartaoX> ;) lol
[18:43] <astraljava> XartaoX: Have a go with this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend
[18:44] <XartaoX> ja, grandr is a graphical frontend to randr
[18:44] <XartaoX> thx
[18:45] <astraljava> XartaoX: Here is a good thread re: making [g|x]randr settings persistent: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1112186
[18:46] <XartaoX> again, thx
[18:47] <XartaoX> hmmm ... i don't HAVE (or can't find) and xorg.conf
[18:48] <XartaoX> here's my directory for /etc/X11
[18:48] <XartaoX> freeman@ubuntu:/etc/X11$ ls -l
[18:48] <XartaoX> total 72
[18:48] <XartaoX> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 2012-02-03 15:38 app-defaults
[18:48] <XartaoX> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 2012-02-03 15:37 cursors
[18:48] <XartaoX> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    18 2012-02-03 15:34 default-display-manager
[18:48] <XartaoX> drwxr-xr-x 4 root root  4096 2012-02-03 15:33 fonts
[18:48] <XartaoX> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 17394 2009-12-03 04:56 rgb.txt
[18:48] <XartaoX> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root    13 2012-02-03 15:37 X -> /usr/bin/Xorg
[18:48] <XartaoX> drwxr-xr-x 3 root root  4096 2012-02-03 15:37 xinit
[18:48] <XartaoX> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 2011-10-05 17:29 xkb
[18:48] <XartaoX> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root   709 2010-04-01 06:19 Xreset
[18:48] <XartaoX> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 2012-02-03 17:37 Xreset.d
[18:48] <XartaoX> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 2012-02-03 17:37 Xresources
[18:48] <XartaoX> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  3730 2011-08-26 00:13 Xsession
[18:48] <XartaoX> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 2012-02-03 17:37 Xsession.d
[18:48] <XartaoX> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   265 2008-07-01 12:41 Xsession.options
[18:48] <XartaoX> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   601 2012-02-03 15:34 Xwrapper.config
[18:48] <XartaoX> ererr .... ok, wide mode output
[18:48] <XartaoX> freeman@ubuntu:/etc/X11$ ls
[18:48] <XartaoX> app-defaults             fonts    xinit   Xreset.d    Xsession.d
[18:48] <XartaoX> cursors                  rgb.txt  xkb     Xresources  Xsession.options
[18:48] <XartaoX> default-display-manager  X        Xreset  Xsession    Xwrapper.config
[18:48] <XartaoX> freeman@ubuntu:/etc/X11$ ^C
[18:49] <astraljava> Whee!
[18:49] <XartaoX> sorry
[18:49] <astraljava> !paste | XartaoX
[18:49] <XartaoX> aha
[18:49] <astraljava> There is no xorg.conf when the display settings are auto-probed.
[18:49] <XartaoX> aha
[18:49] <astraljava> But you can still create it, it'll be used if there is one.
[18:49] <XartaoX> aha!!
[18:51] <XartaoX> ... apparently gotta install pastebinit ... and it's done ...
[18:53] <XartaoX> ummmmmm ..... read the man page, read the --help .... soooooo .... how do i pastebinit  a few lines from my console?
[18:54] <XartaoX> would I do a " ls | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com " ???
[18:55] <XartaoX> and then it goes directly here?
[18:56] <astraljava> $ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | pastebinit
[18:56] <astraljava> http://paste.ubuntu.com/830434/
[18:57] <XartaoX> ok ... i did the command i asked about above, and it gave me an output of ...
[18:57] <XartaoX> http://paste.ubuntu.com/830435/
[18:58] <XartaoX> i seeee how that works now :D
[18:58] <XartaoX> learnin and learnin ;)
[18:59] <astraljava> Yep, seemed to work just fine.
[19:16] <XartaoX> hmmm ... arandr let me save my layout .... it saved it to $HOME/.screenlayout/arandr.output.sh
[19:17] <XartaoX> the filename is my own ... arandr added the .sh
[19:17] <XartaoX> will THAT set my desktop to dual head extended display on reboot?
[19:17] <XartaoX> i'm confused .. XD
[19:18] <XartaoX> grandr won't let me save anything, just change it ... ... i just now read that grandr is meant for a gnome environment
[19:18] <XartaoX> however, i remember i tried arandr before grandr, and it wouldn't let me drag my secondary display away from my primary
[19:19] <XartaoX> AFTER using grandr to set my dual-head to extended mode, i can now drag my screens around just fine in arandr
[19:19] <XartaoX> XD
[19:19] <XartaoX> !!! XD !!!!
[19:21] <astraljava> I have a script I run everytime my extended monitor is connected, so yes, I would assume that one is like it. However, I just experimented with xrandr myself, so am not sure what output arandr gives ya. Of course, you could pastebinit.
[19:28] <XartaoX> http://paste.ubuntu.com/830465/
[19:29] <XartaoX> i DO however notice there's nothing in there regarding refresh rate ... my primary monitor can do 75Hz at 1280x1024 .. the secondary only 60Hz at the same rez
[19:30] <XartaoX> that's a VERY minor concern tho
[19:38] <astraljava> I somehow seem to recall only CRTs being pickier about refresh rates. Could be wrong, though.
[19:39] <XartaoX> ja ... the 60Hz one is an older CRT (viewsonic A70) .. my primary is an LCD
[19:40] <XartaoX> crts can be damaged irreparably by setting the refresh too high
[19:40] <astraljava> Right.
[19:42] <astraljava> $ xrandr --help
[19:42] <astraljava> usage: xrandr [options] where options are:
 -r <rate> or --rate <rate> or --refresh <rate>
[19:42] <astraljava> Weird, where did the extra linefeeds go?
[19:43] <astraljava> Well anyway, -r or --rate or --refresh  are the options for setting the refresh rates.
[20:02] <XartaoX> ok ... I'm working on getting my computer to come out of suspend via usb keyboard or mouse
[20:02] <XartaoX> i've gotten as far as reading /proc/acpi/wakeup
[20:03] <XartaoX> i tried echo USB0 > /proc/acpi/wakeup ... permission denied
[20:03] <XartaoX> i tried the same command prepended with sudo ... permission denied
 how do i get permission to alter this file?
[20:05] <XartaoX> ummmm ... does US not include a simple GUI text editor?
[20:06] <holstein> XartaoX: ?
[20:07] <holstein> gedit *was* in there
[20:07] <holstein> leafpad is xubuntu's text editor AFAIK
[20:07] <holstein> sudo apt-get install gedit
[20:07] <holstein> gksudo gedit /proc/acpi/wakeup
[20:09] <holstein> we are looking at GUI and CLI text editors in 12.04 to make sure they are there and they work
[20:20] <astraljava> Yep, 11.10 was missing a GUI editor, IIRC.
[20:22] <astraljava> XartaoX: prepending `echo USB0 > /proc/acpi/wakeup` doesn't work, as sudo only affects the `echo FOO` part, not the redirection. You should use `echo FOO | sudo tee -a BAZ`, or get to a root prompt with `sudo -i`.
[20:22] <astraljava> XartaoX: But beware, with root privileges, you can do a lot of damage if not being careful.
[20:23] <astraljava> So, double, or better yet, triple-check everything you're about to do.
[20:23] <holstein> yeah. sudo undo doesnt work in most cases ;)
[20:26] <XartaoX> i c
[20:27] <astraljava> Would be an interesting concept, implementing undo in bash. :)
[20:27] <XartaoX> and i back out of root prompt with 'exit' ?
[20:27] <astraljava> Yes, or Ctrl + D.
[20:28] <XartaoX> cool. that worked. now to see if i can come out of suspend with kb or mouse
[20:28] <XartaoX> brb
[20:28] <XartaoX> hopefully ;)
[20:34] <artao> nope
[20:34] <artao> no wake up
[20:34] <artao> gotta reboot
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[20:35] <holstein> with linux, you really hae to choose your battles :)
[20:35] <holstein> have*
[20:36] <artao> i enabled USB0 thru USB3
[20:36] <artao> i'll just try to enable everything
[20:36] <artao> i really really kinda need suspend ... well .. 'need' ... strongly desire let's say ;)
[20:37] <holstein> well, you have suspend, you just really want it to wakd up via USB
[20:37] <holstein> i would check the bios
[20:38] <artao> it's worked prior to instaling US fine .. even runing off Live USB or dvd
[20:38] <artao> so it ain't the BIOS
[20:38] <holstein> with XFCE?
[20:38] <holstein> maybe thats the deal.. if you are new to XFCE
[20:38] <holstein> again, i would be asking in #xubuntu.. those guys are great
[20:40] <astraljava> Seconded.
[20:40] <artao> k
[20:40] <artao> hmmm ... not with xfce i guess
[20:40] <XartaoX> so i'll ask over in #xubuntu
[20:40] <XartaoX> :D
[20:41] <XartaoX> AND I'll continue reading the "how to debug suspend" linky y'allz gave me earlier
[20:41] <XartaoX> :D
[20:42] <XartaoX> ... i guess full reboot really IS pretty quick
[20:42] <XartaoX> also, it turns out i CAN change my scree layout with arandr ... ... as well as grandr
[20:42] <XartaoX> arandr lets me save settings tho
[20:43] <XartaoX> now i just need to get the system to USE those settings on reboot