[00:00] added 12.04 wallpapers @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/UserContributed#preview [14:53] g'day mateys [14:53] yar [14:54] query: What's the purpose of having PulseAudio installed? i understand having ALA and JACK [14:54] I ask because it seems PA is hijacking my keyboard volume knob .. it only controls PA volume, not system volume [14:55] spent HOURS yesterday playing with LADI/JACK/MIDI apps .. SO fricken cool!!! :D thx for distributing this all set up and working together!! [14:55] <3 [14:56] i really need to get my hands on an external USB keyboard/MIDI controller tho .. playing the computer keyboard is a skill unto its own [14:57] i ask here 'cause I figure this whole ALSA/JACK/PA/MIDI setup is particular to US, and not applicable in Xubuntu or xfce IRC channels .. [16:15] hai [16:15] i'm the same guy as artao, just logged in now on my desktop .. on IRC on two machines, so i hafta have a different nick on this one [16:16] anyhow [16:16] about PulseAudio hijacking the volume knob on my keyboard ... can I fix this? [16:16] if so, how? [16:16] XartaoX: we have pulse installed because its arguably more "desktop" like to have pulse [16:16] lots of ubuntustudio users may not use audio/JACK or production [16:17] k [16:17] we are discussing maybe going ALSA only, but that will likely not be this cycle [16:17] there are several ways to address what you are trying to get at [16:17] first... you can strip pulse out [16:17] lay 'em on me :D [16:18] you could also work on mapping the keyboard shortcuts [16:18] you could also just open the mixer and deal with it [16:18] k. where? [16:18] XartaoX: you can do that several ways to [16:18] yeah, that's what I've been doing ... PITA [16:18] none of which are going to be "click here and type..." [16:18] you can put a custom xorg.conf in place [16:18] i guess partly i don't understand the diff. between PA and ALSA [16:18] you could also look into a differnet volume control [16:18] config files then [16:19] XartaoX: pulse is kind of like JACK [16:19] it runs ontop of ALSA [16:19] if you'ld like more explanation than that, you'll have to find a pulse dev [16:19] k [16:19] there are pulse audio channels [16:19] and also.. the #xubuntu channel [16:20] im not saying you cant hang here and ask, but if you are running the latest ubuntustudio, that is xubuntu pretty much [16:20] well ... i figure 'cause MS comes with all 3 together plus MIDI configured, it's best to ask in here :) [16:20] you can go to #xubuntu and say "my keyboard volume knobs are not doing what i want in XFCE " [16:20] XartaoX: MS? [16:21] i guess I'm mostly OK with PA being controlled by the keyboard vol. knob ... except that it only goes thru a VERY limited range of volume adjustment [16:21] barely makes any diff. actually, to the point of being near useless [16:21] MS .... sorry ... US (ubuntu studio) heh [16:21] damn fingers!! they're not finging right!!! ;) :P [16:21] XartaoX: sure.. but we (i) deal mostly with audio production [16:22] when i start JACK, pulse suspends, and i get to work :) [16:22] hunh [16:22] again, im not kicking you out, just trying to get you the help you need [16:22] when I start LADI, it shows BOTH PA and std. audio in and out nodes ... [16:22] i understand :) all good [16:23] right [16:23] thats new [16:23] im not using 11.10, nor do i plan to [16:23] i did test though, and im testing 12.04 [16:23] i have no interest in pulseaudio in my audio workstation [16:23] when i download US, i didn't realize 11.10 was an intermediary release ... :( [16:23] but, its going to simplify a lot of things having it there [16:24] XartaoX: that ubuntu in general [16:24] 10.04 and 12.04 are LTS.. long term support [16:24] ah [16:24] they are not really 'intermediary' or 'testing' [16:24] will i have to completely re-install to move to 12.04 or will update 'just do it' [16:24] they are just arguably more experimental, and not supported as long [16:25] XartaoX: i usually test the upgrade to make sure its working on at least one machine, and then i do a fresh install [16:25] XartaoX: do what you like... will it upgrade? sure.. i find, best case an upgrade takes 5 hours [16:25] i can reinsall in like 20 minutes [16:25] whoa [16:26] OK.. i gotta run.. i have a concert in 30 minutes :) [16:26] cool [16:26] try #opensourcemusicians if you get lonely [16:26] have fun!! break a leg (or tooth, or finger) ;) [18:17] ummm [18:17] ok .. why can't i start bash? [18:17] XartaoX: What are you doing, and can you pastebin any errors? [18:17] i chose 'run program' from the applications menu, entered bash, and nothing happened [18:17] Oh. [18:18] Yeah, that's something you run in a terminal. [18:18] i also tried bash from a terminal emulator, and nothing happened [18:18] HEheh. :) [18:18] i thought bash opened a command line shell ? [18:18] You had already bash running when you opened the terminal. [18:18] i've got term 0.4.8 runing [18:19] aha .. it does that automatically then? I open a term I AM running bash? [18:19] bash is the shell, without which you can't do anything in the terminal at all. [18:19] understood :D thx [18:19] No worries. [18:31] can anyone recommend to me a VNC app I can use to connect to my win xp machine? it's running TightVNC, but it's my understanding that that matters not [18:32] support for dual-head is requred, as it's my media server and is hooked up to my TV as the second display [18:34] also, is Xinerama compatible with US ? [18:37] XartaoX: Don't know about VNC, but if you get dual-head working in any other *buntu, you'll get it for Studio. [18:37] i've got dual head working, in extended mode, but I have to run grandr to reconfigure every time i reboot [18:37] which, to be fair, isn't often [18:38] ;) [18:38] on a related note .... when i went to sleep i set my machine to 'suspend', and when i woke up and tapped the spacebar it didn't come back up ... i had to reboot [18:39] should i use 'hibernate' instead? ... on win i just hit 'sleep' [18:41] XartaoX: suspend/resume errors usually are due to usage of proprietary graphics/other drivers. Are you using some? [18:41] ummm ... don't think so [18:42] XartaoX: Also, `apt-cache search vnc` gives a lot of hits, so experiment with anything there. [18:42] XartaoX: Ok, let me find some info for debugging the problem. [18:42] i was JUST looking that stuff up ... I'm using the standard installed driver for ATI x600 [18:42] XartaoX: I'll also check out how to find the persistent settings with the usage of grandr, I presume it command xrandr in the back, but let's see. [18:42] NOT using the Catalyst driver (which, i learned, does NOT support the ATI x series) [18:43] re: vnc ... exactly LOTS of hits ... which one to choose? [18:43] ;) lol [18:43] XartaoX: Have a go with this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend [18:44] ja, grandr is a graphical frontend to randr [18:44] thx [18:45] XartaoX: Here is a good thread re: making [g|x]randr settings persistent: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1112186 [18:46] again, thx [18:47] hmmm ... i don't HAVE (or can't find) and xorg.conf [18:48] here's my directory for /etc/X11 [18:48] freeman@ubuntu:/etc/X11$ ls -l [18:48] total 72 [18:48] drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2012-02-03 15:38 app-defaults [18:48] drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2012-02-03 15:37 cursors [18:48] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 18 2012-02-03 15:34 default-display-manager [18:48] drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 2012-02-03 15:33 fonts [18:48] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 17394 2009-12-03 04:56 rgb.txt [18:48] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2012-02-03 15:37 X -> /usr/bin/Xorg [18:48] drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2012-02-03 15:37 xinit [18:48] drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2011-10-05 17:29 xkb [18:48] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 709 2010-04-01 06:19 Xreset [18:48] drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2012-02-03 17:37 Xreset.d [18:48] drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2012-02-03 17:37 Xresources [18:48] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3730 2011-08-26 00:13 Xsession [18:48] drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2012-02-03 17:37 Xsession.d [18:48] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 265 2008-07-01 12:41 Xsession.options [18:48] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 601 2012-02-03 15:34 Xwrapper.config [18:48] ererr .... ok, wide mode output [18:48] freeman@ubuntu:/etc/X11$ ls [18:48] app-defaults fonts xinit Xreset.d Xsession.d [18:48] cursors rgb.txt xkb Xresources Xsession.options [18:48] default-display-manager X Xreset Xsession Xwrapper.config [18:48] freeman@ubuntu:/etc/X11$ ^C [18:49] Whee! [18:49] sorry [18:49] !paste | XartaoX [18:49] XartaoX: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [18:49] aha [18:49] There is no xorg.conf when the display settings are auto-probed. [18:49] aha [18:49] But you can still create it, it'll be used if there is one. [18:49] aha!! [18:51] ... apparently gotta install pastebinit ... and it's done ... [18:53] ummmmmm ..... read the man page, read the --help .... soooooo .... how do i pastebinit a few lines from my console? [18:54] would I do a " ls | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com " ??? [18:55] and then it goes directly here? [18:56] $ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | pastebinit [18:56] http://paste.ubuntu.com/830434/ [18:57] ok ... i did the command i asked about above, and it gave me an output of ... [18:57] http://paste.ubuntu.com/830435/ [18:58] i seeee how that works now :D [18:58] learnin and learnin ;) [18:59] Yep, seemed to work just fine. [19:16] hmmm ... arandr let me save my layout .... it saved it to $HOME/.screenlayout/arandr.output.sh [19:17] the filename is my own ... arandr added the .sh [19:17] will THAT set my desktop to dual head extended display on reboot? [19:17] i'm confused .. XD [19:18] grandr won't let me save anything, just change it ... ... i just now read that grandr is meant for a gnome environment [19:18] however, i remember i tried arandr before grandr, and it wouldn't let me drag my secondary display away from my primary [19:19] AFTER using grandr to set my dual-head to extended mode, i can now drag my screens around just fine in arandr [19:19] XD [19:19] !!! XD !!!! [19:21] I have a script I run everytime my extended monitor is connected, so yes, I would assume that one is like it. However, I just experimented with xrandr myself, so am not sure what output arandr gives ya. Of course, you could pastebinit. [19:28] http://paste.ubuntu.com/830465/ [19:29] i DO however notice there's nothing in there regarding refresh rate ... my primary monitor can do 75Hz at 1280x1024 .. the secondary only 60Hz at the same rez [19:30] that's a VERY minor concern tho [19:38] I somehow seem to recall only CRTs being pickier about refresh rates. Could be wrong, though. [19:39] ja ... the 60Hz one is an older CRT (viewsonic A70) .. my primary is an LCD [19:40] crts can be damaged irreparably by setting the refresh too high [19:40] Right. [19:42] $ xrandr --help [19:42] usage: xrandr [options] where options are: [19:42] -r or --rate or --refresh [19:42] Weird, where did the extra linefeeds go? [19:43] Well anyway, -r or --rate or --refresh are the options for setting the refresh rates. [20:02] ok ... I'm working on getting my computer to come out of suspend via usb keyboard or mouse [20:02] i've gotten as far as reading /proc/acpi/wakeup [20:03] i tried echo USB0 > /proc/acpi/wakeup ... permission denied [20:03] i tried the same command prepended with sudo ... permission denied [20:03] how do i get permission to alter this file? [20:05] ummmm ... does US not include a simple GUI text editor? [20:06] XartaoX: ? [20:07] gedit *was* in there [20:07] leafpad is xubuntu's text editor AFAIK [20:07] sudo apt-get install gedit [20:07] gksudo gedit /proc/acpi/wakeup [20:09] we are looking at GUI and CLI text editors in 12.04 to make sure they are there and they work [20:20] Yep, 11.10 was missing a GUI editor, IIRC. [20:22] XartaoX: prepending `echo USB0 > /proc/acpi/wakeup` doesn't work, as sudo only affects the `echo FOO` part, not the redirection. You should use `echo FOO | sudo tee -a BAZ`, or get to a root prompt with `sudo -i`. [20:22] XartaoX: But beware, with root privileges, you can do a lot of damage if not being careful. [20:23] So, double, or better yet, triple-check everything you're about to do. [20:23] yeah. sudo undo doesnt work in most cases ;) [20:26] i c [20:27] Would be an interesting concept, implementing undo in bash. :) [20:27] and i back out of root prompt with 'exit' ? [20:27] Yes, or Ctrl + D. [20:28] cool. that worked. now to see if i can come out of suspend with kb or mouse [20:28] brb [20:28] hopefully ;) === acerimmer is now known as cfhowlett [20:34] nope [20:34] no wake up [20:34] gotta reboot [20:34] ? [20:35] with linux, you really hae to choose your battles :) [20:35] have* [20:36] i enabled USB0 thru USB3 [20:36] i'll just try to enable everything [20:36] i really really kinda need suspend ... well .. 'need' ... strongly desire let's say ;) [20:37] well, you have suspend, you just really want it to wakd up via USB [20:37] i would check the bios [20:38] it's worked prior to instaling US fine .. even runing off Live USB or dvd [20:38] so it ain't the BIOS [20:38] with XFCE? [20:38] maybe thats the deal.. if you are new to XFCE [20:38] again, i would be asking in #xubuntu.. those guys are great [20:40] Seconded. [20:40] k [20:40] hmmm ... not with xfce i guess [20:40] so i'll ask over in #xubuntu [20:40] :D [20:41] AND I'll continue reading the "how to debug suspend" linky y'allz gave me earlier [20:41] :D [20:42] ... i guess full reboot really IS pretty quick [20:42] also, it turns out i CAN change my scree layout with arandr ... ... as well as grandr [20:42] arandr lets me save settings tho [20:43] now i just need to get the system to USE those settings on reboot