[01:02] <micahg> astraljava: where does it get set to that?
[03:59] <astraljava> micahg: Sometimes, so far totally randomly (to me, but I'm sure there's a specific reason I just haven't figured out yet) whenever a browser is to be called, I get the pop-up that says the preferred application isn't set, even though I have set it several times now in Settings | Settings Manager | Preferred Applications.
[04:00] <astraljava> micahg: It's like that right now, I just went there and I see it as "No application selected".
[04:01] <astraljava> micahg: So, if you have any debugging methods, I could run them from now on.
[05:32] <astraljava> Okay, I've seen an annoying number of *buntu people going to #debian @ oftc.net for support. The reason seems to be that Debian Servers is the first entry in the list of Networks, Ubuntu Servers being the second. Think this should be changed?
[05:52] <micahg> in XChat?
[05:54] <pleia2> are any modifications made from Debian to the package?
[05:54] <pleia2> (I'm assuming the servers list is just the debian default and we don't change that)
[05:56] <micahg> yes, quite a few
[06:22] <astraljava> micahg: Yes, xchat.
[06:22] <astraljava> But probably in some others, too.
[14:10] <knome> micahg, ohmy, connection problems?
[14:16] <knome> madnick! where's the settings GUI for your lightdm stuff?
[14:17] <mr_pouit> micahg: when you have some time, could you look at http://lionel.lefolgoc.net/misc/shimmer-themes_1.1-0ubuntu1.dsc please? (to be sure I didn't miss something stupid that will make it be rejected by from new ;>)
[14:17] <mr_pouit> hey there
[14:17] <knome> hey :)
[14:18] <mr_pouit> #8 from the xubuntu website faq sounds weird to me (where does that +x idea come from?)
[14:18] <knome> i've no idea
[14:25] <knome> madnick, can you be in touch about the lightdm and plymouth themes with mr_pouit? he needs the code ASAP :)
[14:36] <mr_pouit> knome: making alacarte xfce-friendly only needs a sed s/gnome-desktop-item-edit/exo-desktop-item-edit/ (or something like that). Then there's libgnome-menu that supports OnlyShowIn keys depending on the $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP envvar
[14:36] <knome> is alacarte function-complete?
[14:37] <knome> edii's been rewriting his menu managing GUI to be a full-fledged menu manager...
[14:40] <mr_pouit> knome: is XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP set in your session?
[14:41] <knome> nope
[14:42] <mr_pouit> knome: mmh, do you have alacarte installed?
[14:43] <knome> no
[14:44] <mr_pouit> any chance you could install it to try something? (:
[14:44] <knome> i'll get back to you in 5mins
[14:45] <mr_pouit> thanks
[14:47] <mr_pouit> in short: start it once, confirm that it doesn't show .desktop files containing OnlyShowIn=XFCE;, then open a term, export XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=XFCE, launch alacarte from the term, and check whether it shows more desktop files or not :/
[14:48] <knome> mr_pouit, meh, i'll do that but you tell me where our "settings" icon comes from
[14:51] <knome> mr_pouit, yep, what you said is correct
[14:51] <knome> mr_pouit, the xfce-items show up when the var is set
[14:51] <mr_pouit> eh \o/
[14:52] <knome> my experience of alacarte is still kind of bad
[14:52] <knome> it doesn't seem to handle some separators correctly
[15:01] <mr_pouit> (filed Bug #927172 as a todo list :p)
[15:03] <knome> linked to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-xubuntu-menu-managing
[16:36] <mr_pouit> mmh, alacarte is in universe
[16:37] <mr_pouit> I guess I can patch it directly then
[16:37] <GridCube> to not have a gazillion recommends?
[16:38] <mr_pouit> yeah, to use libgarcon-common instead of gnome-menus, and exo-utils instead of gnome-panel
[16:38] <ochosi> cool
[16:38] <knome> GridCube, there is actually only one *direct* recommends ;)
[16:38] <knome> mr_pouit, omg
[16:38] <knome> :P
[16:39] <ochosi> mr_pouit: where/when/how can i test it?
[16:39] <knome> ochosi, export $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=XFCE
[16:39] <knome> ochosi, and then install for now with --no-install-recommends
[16:40] <ochosi> in precise or oneiric?
[16:40] <ochosi> (don't have precise yet)
[16:40] <knome> oneiric is fine as well
[16:40] <mr_pouit> ochosi: oneiric/amd64?
[16:40] <ochosi> yup
[16:40] <knome> ^ that's what i'm using
[16:40] <ochosi> (ten more minutes, then boarding will start)
[16:41] <knome> :)
[16:41] <mr_pouit> you can already try what knome wrote
[16:42] <ochosi> ok, i'll see whether my connection here is fast enough to do anything apart from irc :)
[16:43] <mr_pouit> http://lionel.lefolgoc.net/misc/alacarte_0.13.2-2ubuntu4_all.deb
[16:43] <ochosi> lol, bash: export: `=XFCE': not a valid identifier
[16:43] <mr_pouit> here's a deb without the extra deps/recommends, and item editing should work without gnome-panel
[16:43] <mr_pouit> export XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=XFCE, don't put the $
[16:43] <knome> haha
[16:43] <knome> right
[16:43] <knome> sry :D
[16:43] <knome> of course...
[16:44] <ochosi> yeah, i know, i was actually laughing a bit about myself back there
[16:45] <knome> err, do you mean you were literally *laughing your ass (off)*?
[16:45] <knome> i mean, with "back there"...
[16:45] <ochosi> yeah, or i meant it temporally rather than spacially
[16:45]  * ochosi scratches his head
[16:45] <knome> hehe
[16:46] <knome> hmm, right, this was a logged channel :)
[16:46] <ochosi> alacarte started, but i'm not sure it works 100%
[16:47] <ochosi> but then again, maybe my menu is borked due to ediis menu-editor...
[16:47] <knome> hah
[16:47] <ochosi> which is the default location of the menu-file?
[16:47] <knome> remind you, any editor only edits the menu files
[16:47] <knome> :P
[16:47] <knome> (or .desktop files just slightly)
[16:47] <mr_pouit> ochosi: with XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=XFCE alacarte you should be able to see all desktop files with OnlyShowIn=XFCE
[16:47] <mr_pouit> (top menu entries, everything in settings, etc.)
[16:47] <knome> ^ incl. settings manager! 
[16:48] <ochosi> mr_pouit: right, i'll test that as soon as i have my default xubuntu-menu back
[16:48] <knome> well, i have the menu by edii... :)
[16:48] <mr_pouit> it's in /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/menus/xfce-applications.menu
[16:48] <ochosi> ah right, ty
[16:48] <mr_pouit> or /etc/xdg/menus/xfce-applications.menu
[16:48] <ochosi> i used the latter
[16:48] <mr_pouit> (for the vanilla one from upstream)
[16:48] <ochosi> and that was borked
[16:49] <knome> HA!
[16:49] <ochosi> hm, clicking properties on an item in alacarte doesn't work
[16:50] <mr_pouit> how did you start alacarte?
[16:50] <ochosi> via appfinder from xfce-master
[16:51] <mr_pouit> (you have to start it from the same term you exported XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP)
[16:51] <mr_pouit> (and if you don't use my deb linked above, menu editing won't try to use exo)
[16:51] <ochosi> http://pastebin.com/vyc41yxs
[16:51] <ochosi> oh
[16:51] <ochosi> i see
[16:52] <ochosi> now it works
[16:52] <ochosi> that's pretty cool actually
[16:52] <ochosi> ok, g2f now
[16:52] <ochosi> ttyl
[16:53] <knome> see you!
[16:53] <knome> and have a nice flight
[18:20] <pleia2> hmm, what is our equivalent to the "Disk Ultility" application that other *buntus have in their menu for gui reformatting of something like a usb drive?
[18:28] <pleia2> writing the xubuntu portion of this full circle magazine article about easy formatting of drives
[18:29] <pleia2> we don't appear to ship with such a tool
[18:34] <Unit193> People can install whatever they like...
[18:36] <pleia2> of course, but for articles you need to at least recommend something, this is something that is default on the other flavors (even lubuntu ships with Disk Utility)
[19:25] <pleia2> GridCube: can you let me know if there is anything in this thread en espanol I need to know re: the website? :)
[19:25] <GridCube> what thread?
[19:26] <knome> GridCube, the development mailing list
[19:26] <knome> GridCube, three messages in spanish
[19:26] <knome> GridCube, to which i just replied telling to use english
[19:27] <pleia2> knome: GridCube is the second replier
[19:27] <knome> pleia2, i know
[19:27] <knome> :)
[19:27] <pleia2> ok :)
[19:27] <knome> even he should have written in english
[19:29] <GridCube> oh, yes sorry, i told him to use english too
[19:30] <pleia2> ok, so for this FCM article I just told people to install Disk Utility
[19:46] <Unit193> I don't think we need to install everything by default, but I'd love to have a page on the site/wiki with recommends for tasks (or generally)!
[19:57] <micahg> mr_pouit: yeah, since the upgrade to precise, I"ve had major IRC issues
[19:57] <micahg> mr_pouit: will take a look at shimmer themes in a but
[19:57] <micahg> *bit
[19:57] <knome> micahg, thanks :)
[20:41] <mr_pouit> thanks
[21:03] <micahg> mr_pouit: are you getting it into Ubuntu first due to Feature Freeze? 
[21:04] <mr_pouit> yeah
[21:11] <micahg> mr_pouit: so far, the only missing thing is a watch file, waiting for the build to finish
[21:18] <mr_pouit> micahg: yeah, I'm not sure how to do a proper wtahc file with  multiple upstream tarballs =)
[21:19] <micahg> mr_pouit: W: shimmer-themes: executable-not-elf-or-script usr/share/themes/Greybird/gtk-3.0/progressbar.png
[21:20] <mr_pouit> yep, that's something I asked ochosi/knome to fix, but I guess they forgot :P
[21:20] <micahg> mr_pouit: debian #531321
[21:21] <knome> awwh
[21:24] <knome> mr_pouit, https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/commit/7915c3e74679626fdbf10f1f0d2e284ccf6d4753
[21:30] <micahg> mr_pouit: the xubuntu-artwork breaks/replaces is superflous, no upgrade path
[21:31] <micahg> well, unless we're considering backporting this to lucid
[21:31] <micahg> no home page in debian/control
[21:31] <micahg> oh, wait, it's in the binary :)
[21:32] <micahg> that should be part of the source decleration
[21:32] <micahg> :q
[21:32] <micahg> oops :)
[21:34] <mr_pouit> ahah, so I don't have to repeat it
[21:34] <micahg> right :)
[21:35] <micahg> otherwise, with those changes, you have an ACK from me for upload
[21:35] <micahg> watch file optional :)
[21:35] <micahg> but would be nice
[21:36]  * micahg guesses the breaks/replaces should stick around until hardy is EOL
[21:36] <micahg> only another 14 months
[21:36] <micahg> err...I mean lucid desktop :)
[21:39] <mr_pouit> I'm not even sure a partially up-to-date lucid will be able to dist-upgrade successfully :P
[21:40] <mr_pouit> thanks for the review (I guess I'll postpone the debian/watch fot the next upload though ;-)
[21:43] <micahg> sure
[21:43] <mr_pouit> (and the breaks/replaces is indeed useless, because they concern files not actually shipped… bah, probably a wrong copy/paste)
[21:45] <micahg> well, murrine-themes has the same thing
[21:47] <micahg> ah right, I got that fixed supposedly :), yeah, it should be xubuntu-artwork (<< 11.10.1) assuming it's shipping the same files
[21:47] <micahg> we'll need that for lucid -> precise
[21:50] <micahg> mr_pouit: ^^
[21:51] <mr_pouit>   * Drop bluebird and greybird themes, move murrine-themes from recommends
[21:51] <mr_pouit>     to depends.
[21:51] <mr_pouit> indeed, that was done in 11.10.1
[21:52] <micahg> I filed debian 638690, don't know if it was ever added there
[22:27] <mr_pouit> uploaded, thanks for you help
[22:27] <mr_pouit> knome: [ubuntu/precise] shimmer-themes 1.1-0ubuntu1 (New)
[22:27] <mr_pouit> (it's not in the archive yet, needs a review by an archive adlmin)
[22:27] <mr_pouit> *admin
[22:29] <knome> \o/
[22:29] <micahg> mr_pouit: there's no bug, right?  I'll leave a note in -release I did a review
[22:33] <mr_pouit> you know knome and ochosi, they make horrible themes full of bugs ;D
[22:33]  * mr_pouit runs
[22:33] <mr_pouit> so, no, hopefully it should be fine
[22:34] <knome> heh
[22:35] <knome> yeah, feel free to file bugs...
[22:35] <micahg> no, I meant a new package bug :)
[22:35] <knome> if you can find any >;)
[22:35] <knome> heh, right, it's that mr_pouit guy who's doing the lousy packaging for shimmer
[22:35] <knome> healways messing things up...
[22:35] <knome> +'s 
[22:35] <micahg> again, not what I meant
[22:36] <knome> AWWH
[22:36] <knome> :)
[22:36] <mr_pouit> micahg: no, I didn't introduce new bugs
[22:36] <mr_pouit> knome: I love you too :P
[22:36] <knome> hehe
[23:04] <csenger41> hello
[23:06] <csenger41> anyone could help me creating a panel applet?
[23:11] <knome> that's not really completely easy, but you would be better off asking #xfce or #xfce-dev
[23:12] <csenger41> knome: ohh thank you
[23:12] <csenger41> joined there, bye