[00:03] <holstein> not worth it for most though
[00:03] <holstein> editing the files would be the way to go for XFCE
[00:03] <holstein> or when lxmenueditor makes its way in
[00:04] <pjotter> I think so too. I cannot find any other Xfce menu editor.
[00:04] <pjotter> I tried that also. It too has ome limitations. Not all menuitems showed up in that editor. But it seems to be working better than alacarte.
[00:05] <holstein> XFCE might have bug tracking.. you can put a wishlist bug in for xubuntu
[00:06] <holstein> interesting... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop/+bug/58402
[00:08] <Unit193> I{ve tested it to be working before, don't really know why it wouldn't be now
[00:08] <holstein> Unit193: which?
[00:09] <Unit193> Alacarte
[00:09] <holstein> yeah... that i have not tried myself
[00:10] <pjotter> I just tried on a clean install of Xubuntu 11.10. And confirmed the same result on a clean install in VM.
[00:13] <pjotter> This is the one: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=684927
[00:24] <holstein> well, i think there is a bigger bug or XFCE/xubuntu needing a native tool
[00:24] <holstein> that can be a wish list bug
[00:24] <pjotter> Alacarte requires "gnome-desktop-item-edit" which is part of gnome-panel. Without it, you cannot edit any items, which makes it pretty useless.
[00:25] <holstein> sure, but is it really a bug that a tool designed to edit a different menu doesnt quite work 100% with this menu?
[00:27] <pjotter> No it is not a bug. But alacarte is recommended on the Xubuntu webpage. It really shouldn't, because it does not work properly without the gnome-panel installed.
[00:29] <holstein> pjotter: sure, i can get with that!
[00:29] <pjotter> http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1110-oneiric/ (question six)
[00:31] <pjotter> But I didn  like the idea of using a tool that was not designed for Xfce anyway. So, I'll leurn how to edit the menu's by hand. No problem.
[00:43] <Cube``_> guys, i'm having a huge problem with my usb stick that i cannot fix. it doesnt work, when i try to format it with gparted it says "unrecognized disk label".
[00:44] <GridCube> yep that happens
[00:44] <GridCube> Cube``_, install testdisk
[00:44] <GridCube> and try to fix it
[00:45] <Cube``_> GridCube: did. it did not manage to fix it though
[00:45] <Cube``_> i couldnt make it create a partition
[00:45] <GridCube> using testdisk?
[00:45] <Cube``_> yes
[00:45] <GridCube> or gparted?
[00:45] <Cube``_> testdisk
[00:45] <GridCube> mmmm thats bad
[00:45] <Cube``_> indeed
[00:46] <Cube``_> what exactly do i need to select using testdisk thouh?
[00:46] <Cube``_> maybe im just doing it wrong
[00:46] <xubuntu5> testdisk?
[00:46] <Cube``_> xubuntu5: yeah
[00:47] <GridCube> Cube``_, http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step
[00:47] <GridCube> :) that should tell you
[00:47] <GridCube> i fixed one just like that yesterday
[00:48] <Cube``_> GridCube: ok, thanks!
[00:48] <xubuntu5> might want to take a look at this one too: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step
[00:48] <xubuntu5> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step ***
[00:48] <xubuntu5> dammit why isn't it copying correctly
[00:48] <GridCube> using testdisk to recover the partition, i previously saved all the data that could be saved using photorec Cube``_ :)
[00:48] <xubuntu5> ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?t=387922
[00:49] <GridCube> just in case you should do it Cube``_
[00:49] <Cube``_> xubuntu5: thanks!
[00:49] <Cube``_> GridCube: yeah luckyil i dont have any data that i will miss
[00:49] <GridCube> oh :) thats good then
[00:49] <GridCube> also try another usb ports
[00:51] <Cube``_> yeah did :P
[00:52] <xubuntu5> welcome
[00:53] <Cube``_> aiojsd oaisjd aoisdj oisdj aoisd joid
[00:53] <Cube``_> guys
[00:53] <Cube``_> look
[00:53] <Cube``_> i come to the 'analyze' point
[00:53] <Cube``_> see i dont want to recover any data, i just want to get the goddamn thing to work
[00:53] <Cube``_> so i wait through the scan
[00:53] <xubuntu5> what do you want to work?
[00:54] <Cube``_> finds nothing of course, because i just zero-byted it with dd
[00:54] <Cube``_> the usb stick
[00:54] <Cube``_> i put in 'Add partition'
[00:54] <Cube``_> select FAT32
[00:54] <xubuntu5> have you used gparted?
[00:54] <Cube``_> but it doesnt appear there!
[00:54] <Cube``_> yes
[00:54] <Cube``_> fails everytime i try to create a partition
[00:54] <Cube``_> with
[00:54] <xubuntu5> did you buy this drive online?
[00:54] <Cube``_> yes
[00:54] <Cube``_> it works perfectly with windows
[00:54] <Cube``_> thats the problem
[00:54] <xubuntu5> i bought one online from ebay thinking it was going to be 16gb
[00:54] <Cube``_> it works with windwos!
[00:54] <xubuntu5> and it was only 4 some china scam
[00:54] <xubuntu5> haha
[00:54] <Cube``_> :DDD damn
[00:55] <Cube``_> i heard of that
[00:55] <xubuntu5> showed up as 16gb in windows
[00:55] <GridCube> Cube``_, i was about to tell you that
[00:55] <xubuntu5> but would only hold 4
[00:55] <Cube``_> mkay
[00:55] <Cube``_> well
[00:55] <Cube``_> i only put small pdfs on there ^^
[00:55] <Cube``_> <5mb^^
[00:55] <xubuntu5> hmm
[00:55] <GridCube> if it works in windows
[00:55] <xubuntu5> they are so cheap now could get a new one
[00:55] <Cube``_> and its a 8gb bough in good old germany
[00:55] <Cube``_> well
[00:55] <GridCube> then format it from there
[00:55] <Cube``_> its 10bux :/
[00:55] <Cube``_> its in the shape of a key
[00:55] <Cube``_> you understand
[00:55] <Cube``_> thats the point
[00:55] <xubuntu5> oooh
[00:55] <GridCube> gave it ntfs
[00:55] <Cube``_> i wear it on my keychain
[00:56] <xubuntu5> oooh i see
[00:56] <Cube``_> GridCube: ntfs didnt work either :'(
[00:56] <GridCube> :/
[00:56] <GridCube> did you used the windows formatting tools or real ones?
[00:56] <xubuntu5> what brand is it?
[00:59] <xubuntu5> try parted magic instead of gparted
[01:03] <arabuli> Hello, I'm trying to install Xubuntu but installation is stuck at log-output -t ubiquity laptop-detect. What should I do?
[01:05] <GridCube> arabuli, if i where you i would use the alternate disk and avoid ubiquity alltogheter
[01:08] <arabuli> GridCube: Can you tell me what is difference between desktop and alternate?
[01:08] <GridCube> arabuli, alternate uses a text based installer, no gui, so its faster, nicier and faster
[01:10] <GridCube> desktop gives you a live desktop to test stuff and it takes more time to load and its more prone to errors,
[01:10] <arabuli> GridCube: thanks ill download it now. One more question I partitioned my hard drive with desktop installer. Will partition table be available when I do alternate install?
[01:10] <GridCube> the alternate installer instead just lets you edit you partitions, gives you your user and password setting and then starts copying stuff
[01:10] <GridCube> yes arabuli it will remain
[01:11] <GridCube> just chose advanced and mount your / on th partition you wanted and your /home on the other you wanted, else delete partition or move them arround like on any partition manager
[01:12] <GridCube> but its text based of course
[01:12] <arabuli> gridcube: Thanks  for fast and informational reply. I'll try it now.
[01:12] <kenshin> i have a problem with my new xubuntu
[01:12] <GridCube> !details kenshin
[01:12] <Cube``_> ok guys
[01:13] <Cube``_> GridCube: xubuntu5
[01:13] <GridCube> !details | kenshin
[01:13] <GridCube> :) Cube``_
[01:13] <Cube``_> so i followed a guys advice and ran this:  dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=1024
[01:13] <kenshin> no matter what i try i cant install packages from the software updater
[01:13] <Cube``_> now its not even recognized as a disk by testdisk O.o
[01:15] <kenshin> it says check internet connection when i'm quite clearly on the internet
[01:15] <holstein> kenshin: open a terminal ... run sudo apt-get update ...report errors
[01:16] <kenshin> kk
[01:21] <kenshin> ok i ran the code and it spit a lot of stuff at me. none of my stuff works though, i don't have any codecs or drivers and i can't get anything off the software updater
[01:22] <holstein> kenshin: you just need to let us know whats going on... any errors from sudo apt-get update?
[01:22] <holstein> what are you trying to do?
[01:23] <GridCube> kenshin, whats your natural language? maybe you can explain yourself on a channel where they speak the same language that you do
[01:24] <kenshin> english
[01:24] <kenshin> W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com oneiric Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[01:25] <kenshin> for every update it showed was followed by a message like thisd
[01:25] <holstein> kenshin: sure, thats helpful :)
[01:26] <holstein> check out http://askubuntu.com/questions/1877/what-is-the-easiest-way-to-resolve-apt-get-badsig-gpg-errors/64544#64544
[01:26] <kenshin> ok thanks
[02:16] <Franky> Does anyone know how to make keyboard shortcuts for programs?
[02:17] <Unit193> Menu : Settings : Settings Manager : Keyboard : Keyboard Shortcuts
[02:18] <Franky> Unit193: Thanks
[02:18] <Unit193> No problem
[08:48] <cc_INC> I have a small issue, when I start my Xubuntu session I seem to be missing the Xubuntu taskbar/panel on top of desktop. Rebooting does not resolve the issue but shutting down my lappy and turning it on again does. Am I the only one with this issue? Does anyone know what I can do to resolve?
[11:04] <xubuntu486> salve a tutti
[11:04] <xubuntu486> hello
[11:04] <xubuntu486> i have a problem
[11:05] <xubuntu486> during my installation of xubuntu it seems doesn't go forward
[11:06] <xubuntu486> it's written: log-ouput -t ubiquity laptopd-detect
[11:06] <xubuntu486> can anyone help me please?
[12:24] <pjotter> Hello everybody. I am still testing Xubuntu, to see if I will make the transition from Ubuntu to Xubuntu. Today, I wanted to see if I can get my USB microphones working. I already noticed that the sound-settings manager in Xubuntu differs quite a bit from that of Ubuntu. All I see is a big Alsa mixer panel with a lot of slides. Can anybody give me a hint on how to enable USB microphones in Xubuntu? Are there any wikis/websites I can read?
[12:25] <knome> pjotter, try installing pavucontrol
[12:26] <pjotter> Great! This one I know and can work with!
[12:42] <pjotter> Hmmm... Somehow all the playback is, like 20 times too fast and muted. Very strange. Even youtube is playing in fast forward mode.
[13:14] <artao> hai
[13:15] <artao> i need some help gettin my dual-head display to STAY as extended desktop instead of cloned desktop ... every time i boot, I have to run grandr to make it that way ... how to I make it save that config?
[13:16] <artao> sure, it only takes a few seconds, but it's really really annoying ;)
[13:16] <mongy> put the command in ~/.xprofile
[13:18] <artao> ~/.xprofile ?? does that mean (root) .xprofile? .. ... also, how do i get the command line? i see no option for that in grandr?
[13:18] <artao> or does '~' mean my $HOME ??
[13:19] <artao> i don't know what that tilde means in that position ... sry
[13:19] <artao> i've also tried arandr and lxrander .. neither would let me set the desktop to expanded instead of cloned ...
[13:19] <artao> *lxrandr
[13:20] <mongy> ah grandr.  so grandr lets you set the mode but the command line versions don't?
[13:21] <artao> what command line versions? you mean randr itself? that is WAAYYY beyond my current Linux skill level .. arandr and lxrandr are both graphical as well
[13:21] <artao> grandr actually has drag-n-drop monitor layout
[13:21] <artao> but it appears to have no option to SAVE that layout as default
[13:24] <mongy> http://askubuntu.com/questions/91221/how-to-tell-xubuntu-not-to-clone-but-to-expand-the-laptop-display-to-the-externa try that
[13:25] <mongy> I've no experience with multi monitor stuff.  Just a matter of finding what options to use with xrandr and setting them in .xprofile
[13:25] <mongy> in your home.
[13:25] <artao> k
[13:25] <pjotter> I installed avucontrol. Now, my MXL mic is working. But the mic from my usb webcam is not. When I record (with Audacity) a sound with it and then play it back, it sounds like it is double the speed. Maybe someone here recognises this problem and knows a sollution?
[13:25] <artao> thanks for the linky
[13:26] <artao> another thing: Is there a tool I can use to adjust monitor gamma? my secondary monitor is WAY too dark, but the brightness is all the way up ...
[13:26] <artao> also possibly color correction? i.e. calibrate my monitors to each other?
[13:26] <pjotter> artao: I installed my prop driver. It comes with an interface that does that kind of thing. I don't know if there is a Linux driver that does that.
[13:26] <artao> i suspect Linux does not have those tools
[13:27] <artao> ati x600 pcie card. i have no idea either.
[13:27] <mongy> http://askubuntu.com/a/62270/26198 any use ?
[13:27] <pjotter> I have an ati also
[13:28] <artao> i'll be upgrading that card asap to a geforce gtx series, for the CUDA support
[13:28] <mongy> I use fglrx, so I have ccc installed
[13:28] <artao> eh? you have Catalyst? how???
[13:28] <artao> that would be WAY nice!!!
[13:28] <pjotter> I have
[13:28] <mongy> from the repo
[13:28] <pjotter> No
[13:28] <pjotter> That one didn't work
[13:28] <mongy> could install the latest version but cant be bothered.  it works
[13:29] <artao> where do i find what I'm currently using and change it?
[13:29] <pjotter> I have installed it by hand. Downloaded the driver from AMD website.
[13:29] <mongy> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Oneiric_Installation_Guide#Installing_Catalyst_Manually_.28from_AMD.2FATI.27s_site.29
[13:29] <mongy> pretty simple guide.
[13:29] <artao> i'm not particularly familiar with linux driver configuration
[13:29] <pjotter> Me neither. It wasn  too hard.
[13:29] <artao> criminey!! all these linkys ... maybe i should open IRC on my desktop ... this poor old P2 400Mhz with 96M RAM can't handle more that one or two browser tabs at a time ;) ;P
[13:30] <artao> justasec ...
[13:30] <mongy> there is a tool called redshift for adjusting brightness etc.  gtk-redshift
[13:31] <XartaoX> hi there
[13:31] <XartaoX> it's artao on my desktop
[13:31] <XartaoX> would you mind reposting those links so i can use them more easily plz?
[13:31] <XartaoX> brb
[13:32] <mongy> http://askubuntu.com/a/62270/26198   |  http://askubuntu.com/questions/91221/how-to-tell-xubuntu-not-to-clone-but-to-expand-the-laptop-display-to-the-externa    |   http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Oneiric_Installation_Guide#Installing_Catalyst_Manually_.28from_AMD.2FATI.27s_site.29
[13:40] <XartaoX> thx
[13:58] <XartaoX> oh dear
[13:59] <XartaoX> is there a way I can preserve my CURRENT system setup before I try the whole "install Catalyst" thing??   ... i don't wanna accidentally lose my fresh install ;)
[14:05] <mongy> its simple to restore the open driver
[14:05] <mongy> for full backups I use clonezilla
[14:54] <kim_plausible> hi all, i was trying to install the xubuntu-desktop on ubuntu, but the package will never download! i have now tried with both synaptic, ubuntu software and the terminal to no avail...
[14:56] <kim_plausible> i'm using ubuntu 11.10, i follow this seemingly simple tut: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/xfce
[14:57] <knome> what's the error message if it doesn't download?
[14:57] <knome> !pastebin
[15:06] <kim_plausible> there is no error message, it just won't download
[15:07] <Marzata> o?
[15:07] <kim_plausible> well ok finally it has responded by saying error connection failed
[15:07] <Marzata> slow internet?
[15:07] <kim_plausible> not really
[15:07] <kim_plausible> i'l try another package for test
[15:10] <kim_plausible> tried audacity but its not downloading either, internet is still ok here, so maybe there's something going on with the ubuntu servers?
[15:10] <xubuntu5> how can i get xubuntu to auto-detect my hdmi monitor when i connect it?
[15:11] <xubuntu5> audacity worked for me
[15:11] <xubuntu5> just installed it no problems
[15:11] <kim_plausible> hmm i'll try again
[15:11] <xubuntu5> sudo apt-get install aduacity
[15:12] <xubuntu5> no problems on my end
[15:12] <kim_plausible> bah its saying waiting for apt-get to exit
[15:12] <xubuntu632> ciao a tutti
[15:12] <xubuntu5> do you have synaptic open?
[15:12] <xubuntu5> or another apt-get running
[15:12] <xubuntu5> can only have one at a time
[15:12] <kim_plausible> shouldn't be
[15:12] <xubuntu5> restart and try installing it
[15:12] <kim_plausible> k thanks
[15:21] <XartaoX> hai
[15:21] <XartaoX> same as artao .. now logged into IRC on two machines ;) ;)
[15:28] <sobczyk> hi, is it possible to disable screensavers for all users (or remove GL ones, as they hang the system)
[15:32] <mongy> Settings > System Manager - Screensaver
[15:35] <mongy> cool, the Places plugin has mount/unmount options.
[15:36] <kim_plausible> hurray it is downloading now!
[15:52] <kim_plausible> i got logged into xubuntu now but i can't access my home folder! it says: Error stating file '/home/naboo/.gvfs': Transport endpoint is not connected.
[15:55] <kim_plausible> i have an encrypted home folder, could it be that xubuntu doesn't know this? i mean ubuntu handles it automatically
[15:56] <mongy> off to work :'(
[15:59] <kim_plausible> i just luuuuve xubuntu plz help me :D
[16:07] <sobczyk> by all users I rather meant I won't need to log in on their profile
[16:11] <kim_plausible> if its about encryption, how can i tell the xfce window manager to do it?
[16:13] <kim_plausible> this is the weirdest thing... i can open all the subfolders but not the homefolder itself wth?
[16:13] <GridCube> it has a wrong owner
[16:13] <kim_plausible> but not the subfolders?
[16:14] <GridCube> aham
[16:14] <GridCube> that can happen
[16:14] <GridCube> ownership its not recursive
[16:14] <GridCube> otherwise websites wont ever work XD
[16:15] <kim_plausible> well it looks like i have ownership of both the folder and the subfolders...
[16:15] <GridCube> oh... mmm what groups do it belong to?
[16:16] <kim_plausible> only me
[16:17] <kim_plausible> wait
[16:17] <kim_plausible> i noticed something
[16:18] <kim_plausible> all folders says i'm in the group, but only the subfolders says i can read them
[16:18] <GridCube> kim_plausible, this is my setting for my home www.zimagez.com/zimage/capturadepantalla-050212-131701.php
[16:19] <kim_plausible> solo lectura is read i presume
[16:19] <GridCube> read only
[16:19] <kim_plausible> hmmm that might be it
[16:20] <kim_plausible> oh no i got the same message again: Error stating file '/home/naboo/.gvfs'. Transport endpoint is not connected.
[16:21] <kim_plausible> i can't change the rights
[16:22] <kim_plausible> ok i could change the access on the top folder only to read, but if i also choose the subfolders it gave the error message
[16:22] <GridCube> not even with root?
[16:22] <GridCube> i mean using gksu thunar?
[16:23] <kim_plausible> well look at that i immediatly entered home folder
[16:23] <kim_plausible> ok now for the rights....
[16:24] <xubuntu5> how can i get xubuntu / xrandr to auto detect my hdmi monitor when i connect it it seems it only detects it if i have it connected when i restart my computer :(
[16:24] <GridCube> i like to use mc for this kind of things, it makes this ownership and groups control so easy
[16:24] <xubuntu5> mc = midnight commander?
[16:24] <GridCube> yep
[16:24] <GridCube> xubuntu5, use arandrd
[16:24] <GridCube> xubuntu5, use arandr
[16:24] <xubuntu5> arandr hmmm haven't looked into that at all
[16:25] <kim_plausible> i still can't access the home folder without gksudo thunar, do i  have to log out and in?
[16:25] <xubuntu5> haha your sn is great instead of kim possible
[16:25] <kim_plausible> :D
[16:26] <GridCube> kim_plausible, no it should belong to you already
[16:26] <GridCube> can i have a screenshot like the one i send you?
[16:26] <xubuntu5> just installed arandr via ssh
[16:26] <xubuntu5> hope it works!
[16:26] <kim_plausible> sight i still get that error
[16:26] <kim_plausible> so why does it hate my user?
[16:27] <kim_plausible> oh yeah sure grid
[16:27] <xubuntu5> is your user offensive xD?
[16:27] <kim_plausible> i think so
[16:27] <xubuntu5> lol
[16:27] <xubuntu5> so once i connect my hdmi and turn it on
[16:27] <xubuntu5> i just run arandr?
[16:28] <GridCube> kim_plausible, did you googled your error?
[16:28] <GridCube> http://askubuntu.com/questions/94211/failed-to-open-home-directory
[16:28] <kim_plausible> duh, brb lol
[16:28] <GridCube> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/754618
[16:29] <GridCube> xubuntu5, arandr its like a gui for xrandr
[16:29] <GridCube> but it allows you to save settings
[16:32] <GridCube> kim_plausible, in that launchpad error you have a lot of things to try
[16:35] <kim_plausible> i think i found my solution for now: sudo umount /home/user/.gvfs
[16:35] <kim_plausible> brb
[16:36] <xubuntu5> GridCube
[16:36] <xubuntu5> it might have worked!
[16:36] <GridCube> :D awesum
[16:36] <xubuntu5> you are a genius!
[16:36] <xubuntu5> i have been trying to figure this out for so long
[16:36] <xubuntu5> thanks man!
[16:36]  * GridCube gives a cookie to himself
[16:36] <xubuntu5> 3
[16:36] <xubuntu5> 3!
[16:36] <GridCube> :)
[16:37] <xubuntu5> welcome back ms. plausible
[16:37] <kim_plausible> oh i thought i had to log out and in but that wasn't even necessary!
[16:37] <GridCube> nope
[16:37] <kim_plausible> home folder got up the moment i tried it now !
[16:37] <GridCube> it shouldnt
[16:37] <GridCube> :D
[16:38] <GridCube> good to hear that then, id recommend you add a message to the ask ubuntu saying it worked for you
[16:38] <kim_plausible> i will, and thanks for being so helpfull!
[16:38] <GridCube> :D you are welcome :)
[16:39] <xubuntu5> and i can bind keys to my script with arandr i like this!
[16:39] <GridCube> :D
[16:46] <xubuntu5> thanks again gridcube
[16:48] <GridCube> :)
[19:23] <xubuntu335> Hello, someone speak spanish?
[19:24] <Unit193> !es | xubuntu335
[19:24] <xubuntu335> Thanks!
[19:24] <Unit193> Sure
[19:30] <vooze> Okay finally got X back.. after rebuilding alot of AUR packages.. but now some of my gnome-icons are "blank" like nm-aplet, and all in the right corner. They work but they are "not there" any ideas which package i could have removed by mistake?
[19:30] <knome> AUR? are you aware that this is the xubuntu support channel?
[19:31] <vooze> knome: oh lol, that was for arch channel :D sorry
[19:31] <knome> np
[19:49] <pjotter> Hello everybody. I was wondering if there are any recent alpha ISO's from Xubuntu 12.04 I can download and test?
[19:50] <knome> a2 was released some time ago
[19:51] <pjotter> Great! I just found it.
[19:51] <pjotter> I will have a peak, how this one runs on my computer.
[19:52] <pjotter> Generally speaking, are there many alpha's that are released before the real thing gates released?
[19:54] <knome> pjotter, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[19:55] <pjotter> thanks knome!
[19:55] <earspliT> hey dudes
[19:56] <knome> hey
[20:05] <azimut> hi i have a question:
[20:06] <metasansana> we all do sometimes
[20:06] <azimut> have migrated my laptop to xfce am quite happy
[20:06] <azimut> want to migrate my desktop now, has 2 monitors
[20:06] <azimut> how is support for multiscreen in xfce
[20:06] <azimut> was on kde before
[20:06] <metasansana> nvidia?
[20:07] <azimut> amd
[20:07] <azimut> 1 card 2 heads
[20:07] <metasansana> connected to the same graphic chipset
[20:07] <azimut> yes
[20:07] <azimut> i have a working xorg.conf
[20:07] <metasansana> you shouldn't have any problems diff to a kde afaik
[20:07] <metasansana> i ran into problems using 2 diff cards though
[20:08] <azimut> ok thanks so i will wipe my kde system
[20:08] <metasansana> np
[20:08] <azimut> and another question, maybe harder: evince segfaults sporadically. can anyone help me to debug this?
[20:09] <azimut> happens on all pdfs as far as i can tell, but not every time. maybe 25%
[20:09] <metasansana> beyond my scope
[20:09] <metasansana> but that sounds like bad programming to me
[20:09] <azimut> not reproducable
[20:09] <metasansana> update it
[20:09] <azimut> everything is up to date
[20:10] <metasansana> try #ubuntu-bugs
[20:10] <azimut> you mean i should ask there?
[20:10] <metasansana> yes
[20:10] <scott_76> Hi can anyone help with wireless problem ?
[20:10] <azimut> ok thanks
[20:10] <metasansana> np
[20:11] <GridCube> !details | scott_76
[20:15] <scott_76> Sorry im a newbie so bear with me thx. Used ndiswrapper to install driver all works fine until I shut down and restart my wireless wont stsrtup again until I reinstall the driver then works fine until reboot again.  Using 11.10 driver is neti2220
[20:16] <scott_76> BTW used extactly same in mint with no problem
[20:20] <scott_76> Do you need anything else?
[20:20] <holstein> scott_76: what does "exactly the same in mint" mean?
[20:20] <holstein> same hardware? same driver?
[20:21] <holstein> what version of mint? the 11.10 version? is this a kernel issue? have you tried live CD's? *can* you try live CD's with ndisgtk?
[20:23] <scott_76> had get wirless working with ndis on mint 11 12 and crunchbang worked everytime with no problems but xubuntu want load on boot
[20:24] <holstein> scott_76: so, you mean "with the same driver, all is well"
[20:24] <holstein> what hardware is it?
[20:25] <holstein> maybe you can black list something.. i would be interested in upgrading to see if a kernel rev is available and does anything
[20:25] <holstein> i would also be interested in using a LIVE cd for main ubuntu to get XFCE and xubuntu out of the equation
[20:26] <holstein> its going to be challenging to trouble shoot that from a live CD though...
[20:26] <scott_76> yep did the same every time NPROCOMM IPN 2220 on a toshiba laptop
[20:27] <scott_76> INPROCOMM IPN 2220
[20:29] <holstein> scott_76: might be something about the module not loading... check out Edit /etc/modules file to add an entry for ndiswrapper at the end of the file
[20:29] <holstein> from http://phildawson.tumblr.com/post/22267163/how-to-enable-linksys-airconn-inprocomm-ipn-2220
[20:32] <morgoth_> hi. i have a laptop with an intel 965 integrated graphics card (x3100 something). i installed xubuntu 11.04, it works fine, except that i cant use the svideo-out. xrandr only shows LVDS-1 and VGA1.
[20:33] <holstein> morgoth_: i havent had svideo working in linux at all yet.. never tried actually.. did you just plug it in, and try configuring LVDS?
[20:33] <morgoth_> lvds is my main monitor
[20:33] <holstein> morgoth_: OK.. have you tried the "other" one ?
[20:33] <holstein> just to see if its mirrored? and working?
[20:33] <morgoth_> nope its not
[20:34] <holstein> i find http://superuser.com/questions/24909/ubuntu-output-screen-to-tv-set-using-s-video
[20:34] <holstein> xrandr --output S-video --right-of LVDS < those kind of commands
[20:35] <morgoth_> yes but i am missing the s-video device
[20:35] <morgoth_> i googled myself a few hours before i go ask people ;)
[20:35] <holstein> morgoth_: OK.. you can search around for other drivers/modules.. not that i would know where to start... you could try different kernels, from live CD's for example, even 8.04, 10.04
[20:36] <morgoth_> xbmc@xbmc:~$ xrandr --output S-video --set load_detection 1
[20:36] <morgoth_> warning: output S-video not found; ignoring
[20:37] <morgoth_> well when i started using ubuntu with 8.04 i never had to worry avout kernel modules and such. now im stuck - where are the modules that are loaded on booting defined?
[20:37] <holstein> morgoth_: if you didnt add any, its just whats in the kernel then
[20:37] <holstein> morgoth_: so, s-video used to work?
[20:38] <morgoth_> holstein: no! it did under windows, but i wanted to use xubuntu for xbmc
[20:39] <holstein> morgoth_: OK.. i have *never* used svideo with linux... not sure about how to get it set up.. might want to ask about in the mthbuntu community
[20:39] <morgoth_> holstein: thats a good idea, thanks for the hint!
[20:45] <scott_76> holstein thanks for that i dont have modules folder at etc/modules ?
[20:49] <scott_76> gksudo gedit /etc/modules does nothing
[20:49] <morgoth_> where are the kernel modules set up
[20:49] <morgoth_> its not /etc/modules at least not only
[20:55] <scott_76> holstein also tail /var/log/messages no such file
[21:05] <scott__> just want to thank holstein sorted thanks
[21:06] <XartaoX> ok ... I'm having issues with bringing my machine out of suspend ... to wit, it won't come back on
[21:08] <XartaoX> i entered root console with sudo -i ... then i did echo USB0 > /proc/acpi/wakeup .... ... i did that for USB0 thru USB3
[21:08] <XartaoX> no luck
[21:08] <XartaoX> on reboot, they are again disabled
[21:08] <XartaoX> the only ENABLED entry is VBTN
[21:08] <XartaoX> in that file there's also PCI0 thru PCI6
[21:09] <XartaoX> why won't it come out of suspend, and why did it reset the changes i made?
[21:11] <XartaoX> I've read the "Debugging Kernel Suspend" on the Ubuntu Wiki .. little help there
[21:16] <XartaoX> the idea of debugging by writing to my RTC makes me very very nervous
[21:35] <csenger41> hello
[21:36] <csenger41> i need help, when playing video, the screen falls apart
[21:43] <csenger41> anyone here? :S
[21:43] <pleia2> csenger41: you might want to be more specific :) "screen falls apart"?
[21:44] <csenger41> pleia2: hold on, ill try to make a pic of it
[21:47] <csenger41> http://www.zimagez.com/full/800295bb7864fd85329a618ec91320d413577a11f21feedb6924c0fb25bf0a9d5074b8899471d45f6258bf7217edb1e4428362bbf64677c2.php
[21:48] <XartaoX> only peeps here appears to be us with the questions
[21:48] <XartaoX> ;)
[21:49] <csenger41> XartaoX: sorry, with Linux I usually need help
[21:50] <xubuntu5> me too
[21:51] <xubuntu5> do you have the right codec?
[21:51] <xubuntu5> is it with all videos or just this file specifically?
[21:51] <xubuntu5> is it only with VLC?
[21:51] <xubuntu5> have you tried using other players? such as parole or something?
[21:52] <csenger41> same problem with Parole and VLC
[21:52] <csenger41> and with every video
[21:52] <xubuntu5> weird
[21:52] <csenger41> I have an ATI VGA, Catalyst installed
[21:52] <csenger41> is it possible that this causes the problem?
[21:53] <XartaoX> what model card? i just read today that the Catalyst drivers are incompatible with older cards (like my x600)
[21:53] <csenger41> HD2600
[21:54] <csenger41> Catalyst installed from Jockey
[21:54] <XartaoX> k. should be compatible then AFAIK ... that's all i gotz
[21:55] <csenger41> as far as I see, it usually happens when straight edges move on the screen
[21:55] <xubuntu5> how come my vlc won't run properly i open it going to start menu and then bam it doesn't open no errors nothing just vlc process runnin in the background
[21:56] <csenger41> tried opening VLC from menu, without video file?
[21:58] <xubuntu5> yes
[21:58] <xubuntu5> nothing :(
[22:00] <csenger41> try complete remove in synaptic and reinstall
[22:00] <csenger41> maybe will help
[22:00] <csenger41> or sudo apt-get install vlc
[22:02] <csenger41> any luck?
[22:03] <xubuntu5> tried that didn't seem to work
[22:03] <xubuntu5> tried sudo apt-get remove --purge vlc and then sudo apt-get install vlc
[22:03] <xubuntu5> anothing :(
[22:03] <xubuntu5> still opens in the background no idea why
[22:03] <xubuntu5> i have rstarted my comp
[22:03] <xubuntu5> and everything
[22:03] <xubuntu5> maybe i will shut it down power it off for a min and then back up
[22:04] <xubuntu5> going to delete it
[22:04] <xubuntu5> and restart my comp and then reinstall it
[22:05] <csenger41> well thats really strange, VLC should work all the time
[22:05] <csenger41> :D
[22:05] <xubuntu5> it should and always has
[22:05] <xubuntu5> i was just trying to set up vlc remote and idk what i did
[22:05] <xubuntu5> i dont' think i did anything really
[22:05] <xubuntu5> just changed .hosts file
[22:05] <xubuntu5> :(
[22:05] <xubuntu5> restet it back to normal
[22:05] <xubuntu5> still nothing
[22:05] <xubuntu5> mongyyyyy help
[22:05] <xubuntu5> vlc is not working
[22:05] <mongy> wut
[22:05] <csenger41> lol
[22:06] <xubuntu5> lol
[22:06] <xubuntu5> mongy will know how to fix this he's always a big help
[22:06] <mongy> try smplayer2 then
[22:06] <xubuntu5> parole works
[22:06] <xubuntu5> i just want vlc
[22:06] <xubuntu5> lol
[22:06] <mongy> reinstall vlc?
[22:06] <xubuntu5> so i can use vlc remote
[22:06] <xubuntu5> i've tried
[22:06] <xubuntu5> autoremove? or remove --purge or just remove
[22:07] <mongy> remove your ~/.vlc or wherever it is first and try again
[22:07] <mongy> ./config/vlc ?
[22:07] <xubuntu5> oooh
[22:07] <xubuntu5> ok
[22:07] <xubuntu5> will try that
[22:07] <xubuntu5> thanks man
[22:07] <mongy> then try reinstalling it.  using a ppa version or main repo ?
[22:08] <csenger41> ppa version better?
[22:08] <mongy> csenger41, sometimes, sometimes not
[22:08] <xubuntu5> main repo
[22:08] <csenger41> could you please help me too?
[22:08] <xubuntu5> ppa versino of terminator = great
[22:09] <csenger41> mongy: some screens fall apart like this:
[22:09] <csenger41> http://www.zimagez.com/full/800295bb7864fd85329a618ec91320d413577a11f21feedb6924c0fb25bf0a9d5074b8899471d45f6258bf7217edb1e4428362bbf64677c2.php
[22:09] <xubuntu5> ya i couldn't help him on that thought it was a codec issue or something
[22:09] <xubuntu5> waas thinking how he could fix that it's not just vlc either
[22:09] <xubuntu5> for him
[22:09] <xubuntu5> so ~/.vlc or somewhere in home there's a hidden vlc?
[22:10] <mongy> ./config/vlc it is
[22:10] <mongy> remove it.
[22:11] <mongy> csenger41, can't view it
[22:11] <mongy> url perime ?
[22:11] <mongy> perimee
[22:12] <csenger41> hold on ill load it up another place
[22:12] <Marzata> how to watch Super Bowl XLVI in xubuntu?
[22:14] <earspliT> can you just stream it?
[22:14] <csenger41> mongy: https://picasaweb.google.com/115258614198791545895/Others#5705778333864235394
[22:15] <Marzata> earspliT: URL for vlc?
[22:15] <mongy> csenger41, screen tearing?
[22:15] <csenger41> mongy: idk what that mean :S
[22:16] <mongy> looks like tearing
[22:16] <mongy> when fast moving video happens
[22:16] <csenger41> mongy: that is correct
[22:16] <mongy> is not synced with framerate
[22:16] <mongy> csenger41, have compositing enabled?  Settings > window manager tweaks
[22:16] <mongy> what video driver you use?
[22:17] <csenger41> yes, compositing enabled, but no transparency set, everything is opaque
[22:17] <csenger41> ATI Catalyst from jockey
[22:17] <earspliT> try disabling VSYNC
[22:18] <csenger41> earspliT: how?
[22:18] <csenger41> from Catalyst?
[22:18] <earspliT> yeah
[22:18] <earspliT> or with x
[22:18] <earspliT> look here:
[22:18] <earspliT> http://thelinuxexperiment.com/guinea-pigs/tyler-b/fix-ati-vsync-video-tearing-issue-once-and-for-all/
[22:18] <earspliT> i've had that issue before
[22:18] <mongy> ok
[22:18] <earspliT> ati's drivers are a total mess
[22:18] <earspliT> but be careful
[22:18] <csenger41> disabling compositing didn't help
[22:19] <mongy> there aint much you can do with using fglrx
[22:19] <earspliT> playing with xorg can be painful
[22:19] <mongy> sudo aticonfig --sync-video=on is 1 option
[22:19] <mongy> and sudo aticonfig --vs=on
[22:20] <csenger41> Invalid option: –sync-video=on –vs=on
[22:20] <csenger41> "aticonfig --help" for more infomation.
[22:20] <csenger41> aticonfig: parsing the command-line failed.
[22:20] <mongy> I dont see any tearing with mythtv or video player that uses opengl as output.  xv, it does
[22:20] <mongy> mythtv uses xv I think but in fullscreen like it is, its fine.. for some reason
[22:20] <mongy> --
[22:21] <mongy> dash dash
[22:21] <mongy> unless you have some special settings, might be best to sudo aticonfig --initial -f
[22:21] <mongy> to make fresh conf
[22:22] <csenger41> ok enabled tear free from catalyst
[22:23] <mongy> that slows things down a lot for me
[22:23] <mongy> I dont have it on......
[22:23] <mongy> there is a vsync option tho still
[22:24] <earspliT> try forcing vsync
[22:24] <mongy> in more settings
[22:24] <earspliT> if you're already getting a framerate lower then 60FPS it won't help
[22:24] <mongy> earspliT, the 'tear free' option he means is a new option that forces it and for me at least kills performance
[22:24] <mongy> the sluggishness is worse than the tearing
[22:25] <earspliT> mongy, that is 100% true especially on older gpus
[22:26] <csenger41> tear free enabled solves the problem
[22:26] <csenger41> and vsync is set to always on
[22:27] <mongy> setting tear free automatically sets vsync
[22:27] <mongy> the 2 arent linked tho.
[22:27] <csenger41> ohh ok
[22:28] <csenger41> well it looks fine so far
[22:28] <mongy> you can have vsync on (which may or may not have an effect) without enabling tear free
[22:28] <csenger41> is there any way I could monitor the GPU usage?
[22:28] <mongy> but tear free will enable vsync always on
[22:28] <mongy> well if its not slowing anything down or stuttering then great
[22:28] <mongy> does for me ;(
[22:28] <csenger41> I can see the CPU usage, would be interested in GPU too
[22:28] <csenger41> its good for me
[22:29] <earspliT> you can see the temp with
[22:29] <earspliT> sudo aticonfig --od-gettemperature
[22:29] <earspliT> not sure about usage
[22:30] <csenger41> earspliT: usage in % would be better
[22:30] <csenger41> something realtime
[22:31] <earspliT> lemme look at my conky
[22:32] <xubuntu5> mongy it worked!
[22:32] <xubuntu5> now let's hope my .hosts for vlc works too and perfect!
[22:32] <xubuntu5> thanks again mongy always helping me!
[22:32] <earspliT> yeah the only way i can find to get usage is to call aticonfig over and over again
[22:32] <earspliT> my conky uses
[22:32] <earspliT> aticonfig --adapter=0 --od-getclocks
[22:33] <earspliT> which you could script pretty easily
[22:33] <csenger41> earspliT: and any way I could use this in realtime?
[22:33] <earspliT> write a script
[22:34] <earspliT> let me cook one up
[22:34] <csenger41> im not too good in such things :S
[22:34] <csenger41> thanks
[22:34] <earspliT> hey you're using linux
[22:34] <earspliT> thats where all the funs at
[22:34] <csenger41> would it be hard to make a panel applet similar to System Load Monitor?
[22:34] <earspliT> conky is the best way to go
[22:35] <earspliT> http://conky.sourceforge.net/
[22:35] <csenger41> earspliT: I know, but I don't have any knowledge in such things
[22:39] <csenger41> cant install, lua5.1 missing, installed, but ./configure still says its missing
[22:44] <xubuntu5> maybe you need some common files?
[22:45] <xubuntu5> conky.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html check that out it's got some scripts you can look at
[22:46] <xubuntu5> i got 30 dollars riding on this game
[22:47] <earspliT> csenger41: i've got your script
[22:48] <csenger41> earspliT: thats awesome