[00:10] <Riddell> hi
[00:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: which scenarios?
[00:11] <Riddell> Tm_T: did the typo get fixed?
[00:11] <DasKreecH> Hi Riddell. Question on Kubuntu support
[00:11] <DasKreecH> also did you go to FOSDEm?
[00:11] <DasKreecH> M
[00:11] <Riddell> DasKreecH: yes I did go to fosdem
[00:12] <DasKreecH> Ok that occurred to me some time today :) How was it?
[00:12] <Riddell> very good
[00:12] <Riddell> lovely KDE people especially
[00:13] <DasKreecH> Hooray :)
[00:13] <DasKreecH> ok who wuld you speak to at Canonical to get Kubuntu support?
[00:13] <DasKreecH>  someone would like the Ubuntu advantage package but using KDE
[00:19] <Riddell> DasKreecH: it's the same thing
[00:20] <Riddell> the telephone support team have committed to Kubuntu support for our released versions as they have to Ubuntu Desktop
[00:23] <DasKreecH> great. someone was worried about it. They have Ubuntu advantage and they are moving the organization to Kubuntu (to avoid Unity it seems)
[00:24] <Riddell> mm
[00:25] <DasKreecH> I'm so far skeptical of that transistion but at least they will have some support
[04:29] <Tm_T> Riddell: yes (:
[04:48] <micahg> umm, question, mimelib1 seems like a KDE3 fork, it currently has no reverse dependencies in the archive, the Debian maintainer is requesting we pull in lurker again which would give it a reverse dependency, lurker is currently blacklisted as depending on KDE3
[04:52] <micahg> bug 926425 FWIW
[05:35] <DasKreecH> hi mgraesslin
[05:35] <DasKreecH> Thanks
[08:26] <Riddell> morning
[08:29] <nigelb> Morning Riddell 
[08:38] <Riddell> anyone else around?
[08:50] <Tm_T> somewhat
[09:02]  * micahg is for a few more minutes
[12:05] <Riddell> apachelogger, maco: the identi.ca kubuntu group is just giving me spam for now, I left it by slightly accidental clicks on the http://identi.ca/group/kubuntu/edit UI
[12:06] <Riddell> you should either delete it or work out how to fix it or reinstate me as admin and make it my problem again
[12:17] <Quintasan> Riddell, apachelogger, shadeslayer: good news, got ubuntu to boot with u-boot on mah transformer, some plasma active pics will follow
[12:57] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[14:09] <tsdgeos> Riddell: who do i need to kill to get https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/926129 in our packages?
[14:13] <Riddell> let me see
[14:15] <Riddell> tsdgeos: just a patch, if you want it in a hurry you can update the packaging and get me to upload or just wait for me to do it, I will probably have time today
[14:16] <tsdgeos> Riddell: yes, just applying a patch, i don't need it "now", but it would be cool if it is done today or tomorrow, can i leave it with you? 
[14:17] <Riddell> tsdgeos: sure
[14:17] <tsdgeos> great :-)
[14:17] <Riddell> as long as you don't kill me :)
[14:17] <tsdgeos> deal!
[15:01] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I thought youbuntoo on transformer worked already
[15:03] <Quintasan> apachelogger: they did, but not with u-boot
[15:03] <Quintasan> now I has somehow working interface
[15:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: to make you master of the kubuntu group you'd first need to be member of it
[15:04] <apachelogger> Quintasan: does fondling it work?
[15:05] <Quintasan> dunno yet
[15:05] <Quintasan> gotta compile some plasmas on it
[15:05]  * apachelogger emits sigh
[15:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm getting nothing but spam from it so unless there's an easy way to fix that I suspect we should just delete it
[15:10] <Riddell> seems to be just SEO spammers joining the group
[15:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: joining we can moderate
[15:20] <apachelogger> but yeah
[15:20] <apachelogger> identica is mostly overrun by spam nowadays
[15:20] <apachelogger> valorie: how do you handle this for the kde group?
[15:23] <Riddell> "use twitter" I suspect :)
[16:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you upload a fixed Qt yet?
[16:13]  * apachelogger wonders whether we should try getting the wayland thing built
[16:13] <apachelogger> s/thing/plugin
[16:14] <davmor2> apachelogger: well that's not a thing that's a whatsit or an ugimebob but not a thing
[16:15] <apachelogger> Oo
[16:15] <apachelogger> u drunk?
[16:15] <apachelogger> or am I?
[16:15] <apachelogger> Oo
[16:16] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/8CQVt.png
[16:16] <apachelogger> this is broken(tm)
[16:20] <tsdgeos> shipit!
[16:23] <apachelogger> on a completely unrelated note: bzip2 in opensuse is sane again: https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/102198
[16:44] <apachelogger> oh, we don't use revu anymore? :O
[16:45] <davmor2> apachelogger: I think you're drunk if you use a system that looks like that ;)
[16:45] <apachelogger> what is wrong with that? tsdgeos says it is shipit quality
[16:46] <davmor2> apachelogger: Yeah but shipit is a defunct way to get cds from canonical so that doesn't say much ;)
[16:47] <apachelogger> cds are defunct
[16:47] <apachelogger> always have been
[16:47] <davmor2> haha
[16:47] <apachelogger> in fact I have always said we should stop using cds altogether
[16:47] <apachelogger> it limits the quality of the product
[16:47] <apachelogger> (see wallpaper resolution cuts due to space for example)
[16:51] <yofel> or splash screen hackery since we only ship one
[16:54] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: requires nvflash?
[16:56]  * shadeslayer grumbles about locked down devices
[17:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: dude, it's a feature not a bug!
[17:00] <shadeslayer> re http://i.imgur.com/8CQVt.png
[17:02] <apachelogger> actually, it might just not be a bug
[17:02] <apachelogger> there is no background in the compositor window, so there is nothing that could be redrawn there
[17:03]  * apachelogger wonders writing an xbox avatar plasmoid
[17:04] <apachelogger> s/wonders/ponders/g
[17:04] <kubotu> apachelogger meant: "ponders writing an xbox avatar plasmoid"
[17:04] <shadeslayer> oooh
[17:04]  * apachelogger pets kubotu
[17:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I could test that
[17:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: u xbox playa?
[17:04] <shadeslayer> ye[
[17:04] <shadeslayer> *yep
[17:04] <apachelogger> cause I reckon there be a few of those
[17:04] <apachelogger> hence the idea
[17:04]  * apachelogger himself wouldn't have much use for it ^^
[17:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: make me a mockup :P
[17:05] <apachelogger> also last time I tried to make a plasmoid I failed horribly
[17:05]  * apachelogger only makes qml plasmoids \\o/
[17:05] <apachelogger> that is... up until now I made zero
[17:05] <shadeslayer> uhh
[17:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I think you need sheytan for mockups
[17:05] <shadeslayer> I'm the wrong person
[17:05] <apachelogger> sheytan is an artist
[17:06] <apachelogger> someone clone me a nuno
[17:06] <shadeslayer> But a couple of things that need to be in there are Gamerscore and Microsoft Points that you buy, and the games that you have
[17:07] <apachelogger> games that you have?
[17:07] <apachelogger> you killing me
[17:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: have you seen the app that they made for iOS devices?
[17:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes
[17:07] <apachelogger> avatar pic + name + score
[17:07] <apachelogger> + onClick() { openUrl(foo) }
[17:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I didn't mean that all of it should be shown at the same time
[17:07] <apachelogger> kiss
[17:07] <shadeslayer> :-*
[17:08] <apachelogger> why show stuff you can get much more accessible on the intartubes
[17:08] <apachelogger> on that note ... score might be tricky to begin with
[17:08] <apachelogger> as you'd probably have to auth
[17:10] <shadeslayer> probably
[17:10] <shadeslayer> the iOS app needs auth, for everything
[17:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: no I'm planning on going qt now
[17:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: wayland thing is probably already in a PPA?  for us it needs Qt 5 to be packaged for X11 then another build of Qt 5 for wayland
[17:12] <Riddell> but there are no tars of Qt 5 yet and they don't even know if it compiles for distros
[17:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I heard they had a talk on wayland at FOSSDEM
[17:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: wayland is part of lighthouse which is supposed to be in qt 4.8
[17:18] <apachelogger> see src/plugins/platforms/wayland
[17:18] <apachelogger> anywho
[17:19]  * apachelogger needs to leave for train
[17:19] <BluesKaj> is there going be some kind of optional display , X or Wayland , once the OS development is officially released ?
[17:24] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes I saw it, no bling graphics yet but that'll come :)
[17:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: mm so maybe it could be packaged but I don't think there's much point since Qt 5 is due to come in a month or two
[17:24] <Riddell> qt 5 betas
[17:25] <Riddell> BluesKaj: .. we release the OS every 6 months
[17:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: I don't know, perhaps it doesn't even build, was just a random thought
[17:26] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: X and Wayland for Qt are nothing but platform plugins
[17:26] <apachelogger> now I am really away
[17:27] <BluesKaj> Riddell, yes I'm aware of that , but I was asking about wayland as a supported option this OS once it's offically released
[17:28] <Riddell> wayland won't get a 1.0 in time for 12.04
[17:29] <BluesKaj> Riddell,  ok ,thanks
[18:39] <shadeslayer> yofel: Riddell I'm copying KDevelop from staging to backports PPA
[18:40]  * yofel didn't get to test it
[18:40] <yofel> did someone?
[18:40] <shadeslayer> yofel: yes, bluecode from #kdevelop did
[18:40] <Riddell> nice thanks shadeslayer 
[18:40] <yofel> fine then
[18:40] <shadeslayer> although, he says he didn't test the php packages
[18:41] <shadeslayer> I tested theml on a oneiric pbuilder and they installed just fine
[18:43] <shadeslayer> yofel: You usualy copy the binaries right?
[18:43] <shadeslayer> instad of rebuilding them
[18:43] <yofel> right
[18:44] <shadeslayer> done, copying now
[19:17] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: What needs checking in ktp once again?
[19:17] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: contact-list
[19:17] <shadeslayer> and the thing before that
[19:17] <Quintasan> links links links
[19:17] <shadeslayer> approver?
[19:18] <Quintasan> I need a break in physics and I don't want to spend it looking for what shadeslayer uploaded where
[19:18] <Quintasan> :P
[19:18] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly
[19:19] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Did you have anyone else review anything else?
[19:20] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: uhh, I've been showing gkiaga the diffs, so far common-internals and accounts-kcm looked good enough for him
[19:20] <shadeslayer> haven't heard back for the rest of the packages
[19:20] <Quintasan> We reviewed common-internals and they were pushed to alioth
[19:20] <shadeslayer> awesome
[19:21] <Quintasan> Let me look at accounts-kcm
[20:37] <handheldCar> There's something wrong with shutting down Kubuntu where it will just hang on the Plymouth splash. It happens to me when I use the halt command.
[20:42] <yofel> nothing wrong there, 'halt' *halts* the system. To shut it down use 'poweroff'
[21:01] <handheldCar> yofel:  ok, every other system has shut down in my experience
[21:01] <handheldCar> halt = shutdown -h
[21:02] <yofel> no, halt = shutdown -H (explicit halt)
[21:02] <yofel> -h leaves it up to the system what it does
[21:05] <handheldCar> well, it just executes shutdown without an option
[21:06] <yofel> the manpage says "Otherwise this simply invokes the shutdown(8) tool with the appropriate arguments" - whatever those are...
[21:07] <yofel> it even says that there's 'halt -p' to make it poweroff instead of halting
[21:08] <handheldCar> 'halt --help' doesn't mention an option, but poweroff sounds great. thanks
[21:35] <yofel> hm, can we add kmenuedit to the desktop recommends at least? It's currently not installed by default from what I see, and should be IMO. (~300kB)
[21:37] <Riddell> our CDs are oversized
[21:38] <Riddell> that needs fixed before we add anything
[21:38] <yofel> true -.-
[21:38] <Riddell> or we just give up and call it a USB/DVD image
[21:39] <Darkwing> I wish we could track how many downloads we have of each images.
[21:39] <yofel> hm, I would give the CD's a last try for the LTS - after that I'm for dropping them
[21:39] <Darkwing> Or, do we?
[21:40] <Darkwing> yofel: +1K
[21:40] <Riddell> I haven't looked into it yet but I suspect it'll take removing all the HTML docs
[21:40] <Darkwing> On the site?
[21:40] <Riddell> on the kubuntu desktop CD
[21:41] <Darkwing> Well, after the LTS, the docs package will be reduced massivly.
[21:41] <Riddell> why after LTS?  this needs done for the LTS
[21:41] <Darkwing> I'm going to build the Kubuntu Help Center we talked about at UDS.
[21:41] <yofel> what the...
[21:41] <yofel> our alternate images are almost 800MB @_@
[21:42] <Darkwing> I thought we decided to wait on the Help/Welcome center...
[21:42] <Riddell> yofel: oh jings
[21:42] <yofel> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/
[21:43] <Riddell> ubuntu desktop is about 730MB which is bad but nothing like as bad
[21:43] <yofel> well, our desktop images are ~735MB as well
[23:29] <Riddell> update to Kubuntu status https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2012-February/005782.html https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2012-February/005781.html
[23:42] <afiestas> Hey, can anybody package this for 11.10 and 12.04 ?
[23:42] <Riddell> afiestas: what?
[23:43] <afiestas> http://quickgit.kde.org/index.php?p=scratch%2Fafiestas%2Fappmenu.git&a=summary
[23:43] <Riddell> afiestas: that's the HUD equivalent?
[23:43] <afiestas> Riddell: yes
[23:43] <afiestas> not sure what HUD does though
[23:44] <afiestas> I mean, I know it let you search in the menubar but maybe it does more things
[23:44] <Riddell> I can put it on my todo but I need to take a couple of days off kubuntu I think, I'm really exhausted
[23:45] <afiestas> Riddell: don't worry, I'm sure some kubuntu ninja will do it apachelogger for instance
[23:45] <afiestas> he is highly motivated in packaging kde-hud xD
[23:45] <apachelogger> afiestas: you my friend just got yourself a package name'd kde-hud
[23:46] <apachelogger> first mailing though
[23:46] <afiestas> apachelogger: xDDDD
[23:46] <afiestas> c'mon don't do that! I put all my heart on it and now you want to call it hud...
[23:47] <afiestas> what I don't like of the name HUD is that it is too close to FUD xD