sherif | IE cannot be installed here right? | 09:27 |
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elacheche_anis | Why do you need IE :o :o O_o | 09:27 |
sherif | cuz my uni website need it for resgistration | 09:28 |
sherif | i have to use it sometimes | 09:28 |
elacheche_anis | FF can't do the job for you? | 09:28 |
elacheche_anis | or maybe Google Chrome? | 09:29 |
sherif | im on chrome | 09:29 |
sherif | but some pages cannot be open except by IE | 09:29 |
elacheche_anis | ok.. You can install IE using WINE | 09:29 |
sherif | ok | 09:31 |
sherif | will it work well? | 09:31 |
elacheche_anis | Have no idea.. but you can try it.. If you have winetricks it can help you to install a working version of IE on ubuntu | 09:31 |
sherif | i c | 09:34 |
elacheche_anis | sorry!! | 09:34 |
sherif | well how can i get wine | 09:35 |
elacheche_anis | open the software center and search for wine and winetricks.. or you can do it using the terminal too by writing: sudo apt-get install wine1.3 winetricks | 09:36 |
sherif | 1.3? | 09:37 |
sherif | its 1.2.3 | 09:37 |
sherif | at the site | 09:37 |
elacheche_anis | 1.3 is available too | 09:38 |
elacheche_anis | you can just type wine, but it will install the v1.2.. the 1.3 is better then the 1.2 | 09:39 |
sherif | theres 1.4 | 09:39 |
elacheche_anis | have no idea about the 1.4 | 09:39 |
sherif | but still in development | 09:39 |
elacheche_anis | 1.3 is stable and available in ubuntu | 09:40 |
sherif | ok | 09:40 |
sherif | do u use it | 09:40 |
elacheche_anis | yeah I do.. But not with IE.. I install other WinBug apps.. | 09:41 |
sherif | will it let me install ie? | 09:42 |
elacheche_anis | of course | 09:42 |
sherif | ie6? | 09:44 |
sherif | or earlier | 09:44 |
elacheche_anis | have no idea, sorry.. | 09:45 |
sherif | ok ty | 09:50 |
elacheche_anis | :) | 09:50 |
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pinkish-gurl | Hi | 12:23 |
thelinuxer | pinkish-gurl: hi | 12:24 |
pinkish-gurl | how u doin | 12:24 |
thelinuxer | pinkish-gurl: fine, need any help ? | 12:24 |
pinkish-gurl | Why its so quiet in here | 12:24 |
thelinuxer | mostly because people are at work :) | 12:24 |
pinkish-gurl | do i suppose to need help to come in here? | 12:25 |
thelinuxer | of course not | 12:25 |
thelinuxer | it was just a question | 12:25 |
pinkish-gurl | Is this room for egyptians livin abroad? | 12:25 |
thelinuxer | no it is the Egyptian community channel for Ubuntu operating system | 12:26 |
ashams | thelinuxer, How r u doing? | 15:06 |
thelinuxer | ashams: fine el7l | 15:11 |
thelinuxer | enta 3amel eih ? | 15:11 |
ashams | Tamam el7amdo lellah | 15:12 |
ashams | I barely saw your ping after meting | 15:12 |
ashams | It was already shutting down | 15:12 |
ashams | :) | 15:12 |
thelinuxer | ashams: np I would have attended law kont 3aref eno el meeting 7aye7sal .. | 15:13 |
thelinuxer | bas 7'adt baly we howa beye7'las :D | 15:14 |
ashams | yeah, I was there hopeless that ppl will show up :-) | 15:15 |
thelinuxer | lol | 15:15 |
thelinuxer | i have a small comment btw ... | 15:15 |
ashams | shooooot | 15:15 |
thelinuxer | ashams: the last meeting was just a repetition of what the community agreed upon in our last meeting ... am I correct ? | 15:16 |
ashams | thelinuxer, almost yes | 15:16 |
thelinuxer | ashams: theny | 15:16 |
thelinuxer | * ? | 15:16 |
ashams | but yo know, we can not go ahead without thier confirmation | 15:16 |
ashams | I could just use their agree on it to go ahead | 15:17 |
thelinuxer | ok here is y I am saying this ... | 15:17 |
ashams | but I can't, until they discuss it | 15:18 |
ashams | they need to *lively* confirm it | 15:18 |
ashams | in a meeting :-) | 15:18 |
thelinuxer | what does lively mean ? | 15:18 |
thelinuxer | bos | 15:18 |
ashams | = they should say *Yes* let's do it or let's wait | 15:19 |
ashams | what? | 15:19 |
ashams | what? | 15:19 |
ashams | what? | 15:19 |
thelinuxer | for instance having a detailed membership process is more important that discussing what FG we should have, am I right ? | 15:19 |
ashams | yeppers | 15:19 |
ashams | but in all cases, I guess, we r going to deploy all at once | 15:19 |
ashams | we can not discuss a 2nd level idea without discussing it's parent | 15:20 |
thelinuxer | this is not a 2nd level idea ... | 15:21 |
thelinuxer | and the parent idea has been discussed before ... | 15:21 |
thelinuxer | also the parent idea can be abstract | 15:22 |
thelinuxer | without going into details, talama mafeesh dependency ya3ny | 15:22 |
ashams | man, I needed to re-discuss how council members can be elected, what if they chosen to make it a group of elected leaders of FGs? | 15:23 |
ashams | I think, one idea may need to be discussed a couple of times before things get ready | 15:24 |
thelinuxer | I am not talking about this part! I am talking about discussing the different FGs | 15:25 |
thelinuxer | how many should we have | 15:25 |
thelinuxer | the difference between PR and marketing ..etc | 15:25 |
ashams | one sec | 15:25 |
ashams | AlanBell, Welcome :-) | 15:27 |
AlanBell | there you go :) | 15:27 |
ashams | AlanBell, Thanks :-) | 15:28 |
thelinuxer | hi AlanBell | 15:28 |
AlanBell | hi o/ | 15:28 |
AlanBell | hey HazRPG o/ | 15:28 |
ashams | thelinuxer, what you mean with with, "different FGs", sorry | 15:29 |
thelinuxer | i alrady said it! | 15:30 |
thelinuxer | too many details | 15:31 |
thelinuxer | ur discussing how many should we have | 15:31 |
thelinuxer | what groups should be merged in what ... | 15:31 |
thelinuxer | these stuff doesn't need double approvals especially now | 15:31 |
ashams | ok | 15:31 |
thelinuxer | and of course it's always subject to change according to every groups state | 15:31 |
thelinuxer | and is expected to be dynamic to allow freedom in the groups | 15:32 |
thelinuxer | here is why i saying this | 15:32 |
thelinuxer | we only have 2-3 month left | 15:32 |
ashams | yeah | 15:32 |
thelinuxer | and we should start accepting members | 15:32 |
thelinuxer | we have enough members for the elections at least | 15:33 |
ashams | yes | 15:33 |
thelinuxer | so this can be prepared quickly and the process should start | 15:33 |
ashams | so, would you help me with the agenda for next time?: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EgyptTeam/Meetings/Agendas/2012-02-10 | 15:33 |
thelinuxer | and the council will review the applications privately (if you want it like this) | 15:33 |
thelinuxer | ashams: momken 2a2ool 7aga men 3'eer matdereb :D ? | 15:34 |
ashams | thelinuxer, I can't promise ;) | 15:34 |
thelinuxer | emsa7ha :D | 15:34 |
thelinuxer | i guess we have a draft for the membership process | 15:34 |
thelinuxer | we can adjust it a little bit and send it to the council | 15:35 |
* ashams looking for it | 15:35 | |
thelinuxer | then discuss it in the meeting and announce the first membership meeting date | 15:35 |
ashams | thelinuxer, myself, I object that membership method :) | 15:36 |
thelinuxer | what method ?! | 15:36 |
thelinuxer | howa feeh method aslan :D | 15:36 |
ashams | I mean, gain membership to nominate yourself | 15:36 |
ashams | I love nomination to be very open to public | 15:37 |
thelinuxer | then y did u agree on it in the first place ? | 15:37 |
ashams | Wazery, Welcome | 15:37 |
ashams | crap | 15:37 |
ashams | ah, that's embarrassing | 15:38 |
ashams | :-) | 15:38 |
thelinuxer | what's embarrassing ? | 15:38 |
ashams | I can't remember actually, if I argeed or not | 15:38 |
thelinuxer | i guess we discussed this thoroughly and said we will do it to prevent random voting | 15:39 |
thelinuxer | and it's the same as the normal ubuntu-membership process | 15:39 |
thelinuxer | u HAVE to be a member to vote | 15:39 |
ashams | man, it's just a LOCO | 15:40 |
ashams | it's not a big thing | 15:40 |
ashams | and we should be encouraging | 15:40 |
ashams | to participate in everything | 15:40 |
ashams | it's not very necessary that ppl join the council be thoroughly chosen | 15:41 |
thelinuxer | so what if someone was brought 10 of his friends to vote for him even if he hadn't participated in anything , would that be cool for u ? | 15:41 |
ashams | but I think, it's very vital that everyone can participate in alomst everythin | 15:41 |
ashams | thelinuxer, of course nooooo | 15:42 |
thelinuxer | bas i rest my case .. | 15:42 |
ashams | but closing it is not a very good solution too | 15:43 |
thelinuxer | bos ... | 15:43 |
thelinuxer | people has to be part of the community if they want to nominate themselves to be council members, i guess this is simple enough as a rule ... right ? | 15:43 |
ashams | "part of the community" is 3ebara mattata :) | 15:44 |
ashams | why not, join an FG to be able to nominate for council ? | 15:45 |
thelinuxer | is the rule right or wrong ? answer this so i can complete ... | 15:45 |
ashams | Right | 15:45 |
thelinuxer | cool | 15:45 |
thelinuxer | and here is the part where we need to define the "part of the community" | 15:46 |
ashams | meetingology, hi :-) | 15:46 |
meetingology | ashams: Error: "hi" is not a valid command. | 15:46 |
ashams | hehehehe :-) | 15:46 |
thelinuxer | it can be 6 month members in an FG | 15:46 |
ashams | yes | 15:46 |
thelinuxer | membership* | 15:46 |
ashams | yes | 15:46 |
thelinuxer | it can be some online work with facebook bla bla | 15:46 |
thelinuxer | and so on | 15:46 |
ashams | yes | 15:46 |
thelinuxer | this is the definition that needs to be created | 15:46 |
thelinuxer | and i totally against being able to nominate yourself once you join a group! | 15:47 |
ashams | sureeeeeeeeeeeeee | 15:47 |
thelinuxer | TAB BENER3'Y FE EIH TALAMA SURE :D | 15:47 |
ashams | won't this replace membership process? | 15:47 |
ashams | why we need membership, if so? | 15:48 |
ashams | ((Poker Face)) | 15:48 |
ashams | we can have voting inside FGs too | 15:48 |
thelinuxer | ok here is the final part "applying for membership" | 15:48 |
thelinuxer | is this the part ur against ? | 15:48 |
ashams | ok, go ahead | 15:48 |
ashams | yes, somehow, membership restricts some natural rights of everyone | 15:49 |
thelinuxer | nope it doesn't | 15:49 |
ashams | VOTING | 15:49 |
thelinuxer | i think we're going in circles here ... | 15:49 |
ashams | me too | 15:50 |
ashams | but which circle, i can't find | 15:50 |
ashams | :) | 15:50 |
thelinuxer | should we or should we not allow everybody to vote ? by everybody I mean anyone who can reach the voting link | 15:50 |
thelinuxer | without any kind of restriction .. | 15:50 |
thelinuxer | cause this is what ur asking for .. | 15:50 |
ashams | should not | 15:50 |
thelinuxer | and this is what u just just said a few minutes ago that ur against | 15:51 |
ashams | no | 15:51 |
thelinuxer | so naturally we should restrict voting | 15:51 |
thelinuxer | to a selective set | 15:51 |
ashams | no | 15:51 |
ashams | no | 15:51 |
ashams | bos | 15:51 |
ashams | it needs to be naturally open | 15:51 |
ashams | not naturally restricted | 15:51 |
ashams | like, you can vote if you're active in any fg | 15:52 |
ashams | joining fg, is almost open | 15:52 |
ashams | with showing history, or experience | 15:52 |
ashams | you remeber when you agreed on | 15:53 |
ashams | remember | 15:53 |
ashams | on the bug control style of accepting members | 15:53 |
ashams | questions you answer and send to the whole team, they look at it, then in a certain period, they + or -1 | 15:54 |
ashams | see, it's open :-) | 15:54 |
ashams | r u okay? | 15:55 |
thelinuxer | just trying to understand/remember .. | 15:55 |
ashams | well, I got a semi-heart attack after watching ppl's assembly too :-( | 15:56 |
thelinuxer | expected, lets not get distracted .. | 15:56 |
thelinuxer | bos I guess you're mixing stuff together . | 15:56 |
ashams | I like to do so... | 15:57 |
thelinuxer | seif suggested that the process to be in private to avoid embarrassments for the applicant | 15:57 |
ashams | yeah I +1 this too | 15:57 |
thelinuxer | and he suggested that there should be some mentor to guide the applicant through the process to save council time | 15:57 |
ashams | that would be FG members | 15:58 |
thelinuxer | then the council will +1 / -1 | 15:58 |
thelinuxer | it doesn't matter | 15:58 |
ashams | stop | 15:58 |
thelinuxer | it can be anyone with experience about the process | 15:58 |
ashams | you're talking about the membership process, right | 15:58 |
ashams | ? | 15:58 |
thelinuxer | yes .. | 15:59 |
ashams | I'm talking about denyin that idea as a whole | 15:59 |
ashams | then making use of ppl already in fgs | 15:59 |
thelinuxer | i know ya shams and that's y it' getting freakishly weird cause we had this conversation over and over again ... | 15:59 |
ashams | yeah | 16:00 |
ashams | ok ,go ahead plz | 16:00 |
thelinuxer | u agreed on this process in a meeting with other people with us! | 16:00 |
ashams | I remade my mind | 16:00 |
thelinuxer | then it looks like i made a mistake by not entering the council :) | 16:01 |
thelinuxer | i thought we agreed on this and expected the opposition to come from anyone else | 16:01 |
ashams | that's what I was saying about a month ago | 16:01 |
thelinuxer | saying what ? | 16:02 |
ashams | thelinuxer, you should join it | 16:02 |
ashams | man, I believe there can be no 2 opinions if ppl talk | 16:02 |
ashams | so, I'll define why I don't like it | 16:03 |
ashams | and will send the whole thing to the public ml | 16:03 |
ashams | ok? | 16:03 |
thelinuxer | no don't | 16:03 |
thelinuxer | it will cause a lot of confusion 3ala el fady | 16:03 |
ashams | that would cause a fuss | 16:03 |
ashams | :) | 16:03 |
ashams | so, to council ml? | 16:03 |
thelinuxer | tell u what ... | 16:04 |
thelinuxer | it's your responsibility now (+ other council members) | 16:04 |
thelinuxer | i have nothing to do with it | 16:04 |
ashams | hehehehe | 16:04 |
ashams | what is that | 16:04 |
ashams | that's wrong | 16:05 |
thelinuxer | no it's not | 16:05 |
ashams | I don't have responsibility...... | 16:05 |
ashams | :) | 16:05 |
thelinuxer | i chose not to be with the council to avoid enforcing anything on the community | 16:05 |
thelinuxer | i was only pushing stuff forward to accelerate the process | 16:06 |
ashams | chapeau | 16:06 |
thelinuxer | but if we don't agree about the process then I have nothing more to do | 16:06 |
ashams | dude, is not the whole thing about, who can be nominated and who can vote? | 16:07 |
ashams | just making sure I'm not talking in another subject | 16:08 |
ashams | on* | 16:08 |
thelinuxer | r u pointing out the point where we can't agree ? | 16:08 |
ashams | yes :) | 16:09 |
ashams | thelinuxer, why you prefer the idea of membership process over "fg membership grants voting right"? | 16:09 |
thelinuxer | if course yes .. | 16:10 |
ashams | why? | 16:10 |
ashams | why? | 16:10 |
ashams | why? | 16:10 |
ashams | why? | 16:10 |
thelinuxer | because we said FG will be completely open, anyone can create any FG | 16:10 |
thelinuxer | with some exceptions for specific FGs | 16:10 |
thelinuxer | so joining will be open for most groups | 16:11 |
ashams | ah, now I seeeeeeeeeee | 16:11 |
thelinuxer | so we will be opening the voting thing for everyone | 16:11 |
ashams | that's a very good point | 16:11 |
thelinuxer | na3am ya a7'oooooooooooya !!!w | 16:12 |
thelinuxer | loooooooooooool | 16:12 |
* thelinuxer ROFL | 16:12 | |
ashams | ok, I'm remaking my mind...... | 16:12 |
ashams | shit, i'm stupid | 16:12 |
thelinuxer | no ur not ur stubborn :D | 16:13 |
ashams | heheheehehe lol | 16:14 |
thelinuxer | tayeb weselna le eih ? | 16:14 |
ashams | but, membership process is a lot | 16:14 |
ashams | it's just a loco | 16:14 |
thelinuxer | no it's not | 16:14 |
thelinuxer | ya basha this process exists in a lot of LoCos | 16:14 |
thelinuxer | and we can simplify it | 16:14 |
thelinuxer | create our own version | 16:15 |
ashams | won't this severely harm our encouraging environment | 16:15 |
ashams | ? | 16:15 |
thelinuxer | no it won't | 16:15 |
thelinuxer | it may even encourage it | 16:15 |
ashams | nooooooooooooooooooooooooo | 16:15 |
thelinuxer | people can join and start working | 16:15 |
thelinuxer | no eih bas tany ?! | 16:15 |
thelinuxer | u worked for your membership @ubuntu | 16:15 |
ashams | it'll be encouraging it to be complex(work to gain membership) | 16:16 |
ashams | not natural work | 16:16 |
ashams | yes, i did :-) | 16:16 |
thelinuxer | it doesn't have to be complex yabny | 16:16 |
thelinuxer | it can be a simple rule like being a member for 6 month and have testimonials from other members | 16:17 |
thelinuxer | something simple to control it bas | 16:17 |
ashams | ok, i like this one | 16:17 |
ashams | but no mmeting | 16:17 |
ashams | meeting* | 16:17 |
thelinuxer | s/he has to send an application or something | 16:18 |
thelinuxer | to show his/her desire in becoming a member | 16:18 |
thelinuxer | the meeting will just finalize the process | 16:18 |
thelinuxer | for instance after being accepted he will be added to a certain group | 16:19 |
ashams | no meeting please, it'd be a lot | 16:19 |
thelinuxer | u focus on minor details again | 16:19 |
ashams | man, let's keep it very simple | 16:19 |
thelinuxer | simple ezay ? | 16:20 |
ashams | what about, questions to answer and send to the general ml, then they + or -1? | 16:20 |
ashams | beside testamonials | 16:20 |
ashams | testimonials * | 16:20 |
thelinuxer | it's not the general ml job | 16:21 |
ashams | why? | 16:21 |
thelinuxer | who will take the decision ? | 16:21 |
ashams | let's give it a fixed period, then the council collects votes and decide | 16:22 |
ashams | say, a week | 16:22 |
ashams | just for better transparency... | 16:22 |
thelinuxer | any method is fine talama the council will decide .. | 16:23 |
ashams | yeahm that's a good point too | 16:23 |
thelinuxer | momken yekoon title mo3ayen fel subject | 16:24 |
thelinuxer | we ne3mel app tecollect el thread deh ;) | 16:24 |
ashams | who is talking about details now???????? | 16:24 |
ashams | looool | 16:24 |
thelinuxer | lool | 16:24 |
thelinuxer | u bardo! | 16:25 |
thelinuxer | u r the one talking about the methods | 16:25 |
ashams | byw: can't we get our own ML server? | 16:25 |
thelinuxer | 3ala fekra applications could get easily lost law el council kano masho3'oleen fe 7agat tanya | 16:25 |
thelinuxer | y our own ml server ? | 16:26 |
ashams | thelinuxer, That'd would be ahsaming deed | 16:26 |
ashams | we'll add it to the responsibilities of council | 16:27 |
ashams | thelinuxer, getting ml server, to have our mls instead of using lp | 16:27 |
thelinuxer | ya3ny i really don't care much about the techinicalities if a problem arises we will fix it isA | 16:27 |
thelinuxer | we can use lists.ubuntu.com | 16:28 |
ashams | ok, good enough | 16:28 |
ashams | lists.u.c is not available that much | 16:28 |
ashams | justs for locos, one ml, and very connected teams to project | 16:28 |
thelinuxer | ok... | 16:29 |
thelinuxer | tayeb delwa2ty 3ereft leeh I am concerned about the proposed agenda ? | 16:29 |
ashams | Y? | 16:29 |
ashams | man, would you add items you see necessary? | 16:29 |
thelinuxer | I told u fel awel ya man | 16:30 |
thelinuxer | it's really too early to discuss the points in the current agenda | 16:30 |
thelinuxer | masalan u can discuss "How can people join council?" "Who can vote?" and prepare the documents for these 2 | 16:31 |
thelinuxer | howa el meeting ad eih ? | 16:31 |
ashams | 1-2-3 hrs :) | 16:32 |
ashams | thelinuxer, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EgyptTeam/Meetings/Agendas/2012-02-10?highlight=%28How%20can%20ppl%20join%20Council%29 | 16:33 |
thelinuxer | tayeb bos .. | 16:34 |
ashams | yes | 16:34 |
thelinuxer | Do u agree en el membership process is really important to discuss ? | 16:34 |
ashams | yesssssss | 16:34 |
thelinuxer | and should be started now on council ml to be able to take a decision by next meeting ? | 16:35 |
ashams | should be finished as soon as possible | 16:35 |
thelinuxer | cool | 16:36 |
thelinuxer | so this should on the top of the current agenda | 16:36 |
thelinuxer | and we should write the draft and send it to the council ASAP | 16:36 |
ashams | ah, you afraid that the meeting will finish without deciding it | 16:37 |
thelinuxer | initiate the discussion before the meeting to accelerate the process .. | 16:37 |
ashams | which council? | 16:37 |
thelinuxer | our council of course | 16:37 |
ashams | ah, i got it | 16:37 |
ashams | man, have you smelled tear-gas before? | 16:37 |
ashams | I mean enough? | 16:37 |
thelinuxer | yes both kinds we have in Egypt | 16:38 |
thelinuxer | what do u mean by enough :D? | 16:38 |
ashams | does it have some effct on the long run? | 16:38 |
ashams | effect* | 16:38 |
ashams | nervous effect* | 16:38 |
thelinuxer | AFAIK the new gas | 16:38 |
thelinuxer | yes yes this is what I heard | 16:38 |
ashams | buck | 16:38 |
thelinuxer | howa men emta shameeto ? | 16:39 |
thelinuxer | for instance this didn't happen to me | 16:39 |
thelinuxer | but a friend reported that he was almost crazy for 3 days | 16:39 |
thelinuxer | bas el 7amdulelah he's normal now | 16:39 |
ashams | yes, I'm almost crazy | 16:40 |
thelinuxer | other long term effects I really don't know about htem | 16:40 |
thelinuxer | ba2alak ad eih ? | 16:40 |
ashams | from sat morning | 16:40 |
ashams | I think I had a light heart attack today | 16:40 |
thelinuxer | ! | 16:40 |
thelinuxer | r u serious ? | 16:40 |
ashams | sure it was a hell pain in heart for about a minute | 16:41 |
ashams | like pulses | 16:41 |
thelinuxer | actually if ur having a heart attack u should feel pain in your shoulder, don't remember left or right | 16:41 |
thelinuxer | go to a doctor now | 16:41 |
ashams | will try | 16:41 |
ashams | one minute, prayer | 16:42 |
thelinuxer | 7ad shafak fel mostashfa el midany ? | 16:42 |
thelinuxer | i will go home now | 16:42 |
ashams | nooooo, it happened today | 16:42 |
thelinuxer | catch u later | 16:42 |
ashams | ok, bye | 16:42 |
thelinuxer | i mean when u were exposed to the tear gas | 16:42 |
thelinuxer | ro7t el mostashfa el midany walla2 la2 ? | 16:42 |
thelinuxer | i think they know how to treat the effects | 16:43 |
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