[09:27] <sherif> IE cannot be installed here right?
[09:27] <elacheche_anis> Why do you need IE :o :o O_o
[09:28] <sherif> cuz my uni website need it for resgistration
[09:28] <sherif> i have to use it sometimes
[09:28] <elacheche_anis> FF can't do the job for you?
[09:29] <elacheche_anis> or maybe Google Chrome?
[09:29] <sherif> im on chrome
[09:29] <sherif> but some pages cannot be open except by IE
[09:29] <elacheche_anis> ok.. You can install IE using WINE
[09:31] <sherif> ok
[09:31] <sherif> will it work well?
[09:31] <elacheche_anis> Have no idea.. but you can try it.. If you have winetricks it can help you to install a working version of IE on ubuntu
[09:34] <sherif> i c
[09:34] <elacheche_anis> sorry!!
[09:35] <sherif> well how can i get wine
[09:36] <elacheche_anis> open the software center and search for wine and winetricks.. or you can do it using the terminal too by writing: sudo apt-get install wine1.3 winetricks
[09:37] <sherif> 1.3?
[09:37] <sherif> its 1.2.3
[09:37] <sherif> at the site
[09:38] <elacheche_anis> 1.3 is available  too
[09:39] <elacheche_anis> you can just type wine, but it will install the v1.2.. the 1.3 is better then the 1.2
[09:39] <sherif> theres 1.4
[09:39] <elacheche_anis> have no idea about the 1.4
[09:39] <sherif> but still in development
[09:40] <elacheche_anis> 1.3 is stable and available in ubuntu
[09:40] <sherif> ok
[09:40] <sherif> do u use it
[09:41] <elacheche_anis> yeah I do.. But not with IE.. I install other WinBug apps..
[09:42] <sherif> will it let me install ie?
[09:42] <elacheche_anis> of course
[09:44] <sherif> ie6?
[09:44] <sherif> or earlier
[09:45] <elacheche_anis> have no idea, sorry..
[09:50] <sherif> ok ty
[09:50] <elacheche_anis> :)
[12:23] <pinkish-gurl> Hi
[12:24] <thelinuxer> pinkish-gurl: hi
[12:24] <pinkish-gurl> how u doin
[12:24] <thelinuxer> pinkish-gurl: fine, need any help ?
[12:24] <pinkish-gurl> Why its so quiet in here
[12:24] <thelinuxer> mostly because people are at work :)
[12:25] <pinkish-gurl> do i suppose to need help to come in here?
[12:25] <thelinuxer> of course not
[12:25] <thelinuxer> it was just a question
[12:25] <pinkish-gurl> Is this room for egyptians livin abroad?
[12:26] <thelinuxer> no it is the Egyptian community channel for Ubuntu operating system
[15:06] <ashams> thelinuxer, How r u doing?
[15:11] <thelinuxer> ashams: fine el7l
[15:11] <thelinuxer> enta 3amel eih ?
[15:12] <ashams> Tamam el7amdo lellah
[15:12] <ashams> I barely saw your ping after meting
[15:12] <ashams> It was already shutting down
[15:12] <ashams> :)
[15:13] <thelinuxer> ashams: np I would have attended law kont 3aref eno el meeting 7aye7sal ..
[15:14] <thelinuxer> bas 7'adt baly we howa beye7'las :D
[15:15] <ashams> yeah, I was there hopeless that ppl will show up :-)
[15:15] <thelinuxer> lol
[15:15] <thelinuxer> i have a small comment btw ...
[15:15] <ashams> shooooot
[15:16] <thelinuxer> ashams: the last meeting was just a repetition of what the community agreed upon in our last meeting ... am I correct ?
[15:16] <ashams> thelinuxer, almost yes
[15:16] <thelinuxer> ashams: theny
[15:16] <thelinuxer> * ?
[15:16] <ashams> but yo know, we can not go ahead without thier confirmation
[15:17] <ashams> I could just use their agree on it to go ahead
[15:17] <thelinuxer> ok here is y I am saying this ...
[15:18] <ashams> but I can't, until they discuss it
[15:18] <ashams> they need to *lively* confirm it
[15:18] <ashams> in a meeting :-)
[15:18] <thelinuxer> what does lively mean ?
[15:18] <thelinuxer> bos
[15:19] <ashams> = they should say *Yes* let's do it or let's wait
[15:19] <ashams> what?
[15:19] <ashams> what?
[15:19] <ashams> what?
[15:19] <thelinuxer> for instance having a detailed membership process is more important that discussing what FG we should have, am I right ?
[15:19] <ashams> yeppers
[15:19] <ashams> but in all cases, I guess, we r going to deploy all at once
[15:20] <ashams> we can not discuss a 2nd level idea without discussing it's parent
[15:21] <thelinuxer> this is not a 2nd level idea ...
[15:21] <thelinuxer> and the parent idea has been discussed before ...
[15:22] <thelinuxer> also the parent idea can be abstract
[15:22] <thelinuxer> without going into details, talama mafeesh dependency ya3ny
[15:23] <ashams> man, I needed to re-discuss how council members can be elected, what if they chosen to make it a group of elected leaders of FGs?
[15:24] <ashams> I think, one idea may need to be discussed a couple of times before things get ready
[15:25] <thelinuxer> I am not talking about this part! I am talking about discussing the different FGs
[15:25] <thelinuxer> how many should we have
[15:25] <thelinuxer> the difference between PR and marketing ..etc
[15:25] <ashams> one sec
[15:27] <ashams> AlanBell, Welcome :-)
[15:27] <AlanBell> there you go :)
[15:28] <ashams> AlanBell, Thanks :-)
[15:28] <thelinuxer> hi AlanBell
[15:28] <AlanBell> hi o/
[15:28] <AlanBell> hey HazRPG o/
[15:29] <ashams> thelinuxer, what you mean with with, "different FGs", sorry
[15:30] <thelinuxer> i alrady said it!
[15:31] <thelinuxer> too many details
[15:31] <thelinuxer> ur discussing how many should we have
[15:31] <thelinuxer> what groups should be merged in what ...
[15:31] <thelinuxer> these stuff doesn't need double approvals especially now
[15:31] <ashams> ok
[15:31] <thelinuxer> and of course it's always subject to change according to every groups state
[15:32] <thelinuxer> and is expected to be dynamic to allow freedom in the groups
[15:32] <thelinuxer> here is why i saying this
[15:32] <thelinuxer> we only have 2-3 month left
[15:32] <ashams> yeah
[15:32] <thelinuxer> and we should start accepting members
[15:33] <thelinuxer> we have enough members for the elections at least
[15:33] <ashams> yes
[15:33] <thelinuxer> so this can be prepared quickly and the process should start
[15:33] <ashams> so, would you help me with the agenda for next time?: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EgyptTeam/Meetings/Agendas/2012-02-10
[15:33] <thelinuxer> and the council will review the applications privately (if you want it like this)
[15:34] <thelinuxer> ashams: momken 2a2ool 7aga men 3'eer matdereb :D ?
[15:34] <ashams> thelinuxer, I can't promise ;)
[15:34] <thelinuxer> emsa7ha :D
[15:34] <thelinuxer> i guess we have a draft for the membership process
[15:35] <thelinuxer> we can adjust it a little bit and send it to the council
[15:35]  * ashams looking for it
[15:35] <thelinuxer> then discuss it in the meeting and announce the first membership meeting date
[15:36] <ashams> thelinuxer, myself, I object that membership method :)
[15:36] <thelinuxer> what method ?!
[15:36] <thelinuxer> howa feeh method aslan :D
[15:36] <ashams> I mean, gain membership to nominate yourself
[15:37] <ashams> I love nomination to be very open to public
[15:37] <thelinuxer> then y did u agree on it in the first place ?
[15:37] <ashams> Wazery, Welcome
[15:37] <ashams> crap
[15:38] <ashams> ah, that's embarrassing
[15:38] <ashams> :-)
[15:38] <thelinuxer> what's embarrassing ?
[15:38] <ashams> I can't remember actually, if I argeed or not
[15:39] <thelinuxer> i guess we discussed this thoroughly and said we will do it to prevent random voting
[15:39] <thelinuxer> and it's the same as the normal ubuntu-membership process
[15:39] <thelinuxer> u HAVE to be a member to vote
[15:40] <ashams> man, it's just a LOCO
[15:40] <ashams> it's not a big thing
[15:40] <ashams> and we should be encouraging
[15:40] <ashams> to participate in everything
[15:41] <ashams> it's not very necessary that ppl join the council be thoroughly chosen
[15:41] <thelinuxer> so what if someone was brought 10 of his friends to vote for him even if he hadn't participated in anything , would that be cool for u ?
[15:41] <ashams> but I think, it's very vital that everyone can participate in alomst everythin
[15:42] <ashams> thelinuxer, of course nooooo
[15:42] <thelinuxer> bas i rest my case ..
[15:43] <ashams> but closing it is not a very good solution too
[15:43] <thelinuxer> bos ...
[15:43] <thelinuxer> people has to be part of the community if they want to nominate themselves to be council members, i guess this is simple enough as a rule ... right ?
[15:44] <ashams> "part of the community" is 3ebara mattata :)
[15:45] <ashams> why not, join an FG to be able to nominate for council ?
[15:45] <thelinuxer> is the rule right or wrong ? answer this so i can complete ...
[15:45] <ashams> Right
[15:45] <thelinuxer> cool
[15:46] <thelinuxer> and here is the part where we need to define the "part of the community"
[15:46] <ashams> meetingology, hi :-)
[15:46] <meetingology> ashams: Error: "hi" is not a valid command.
[15:46] <ashams> hehehehe :-)
[15:46] <thelinuxer> it can be 6 month members in an FG
[15:46] <ashams> yes
[15:46] <thelinuxer> membership*
[15:46] <ashams> yes
[15:46] <thelinuxer> it can be some online work with facebook bla bla
[15:46] <thelinuxer> and so on
[15:46] <ashams> yes
[15:46] <thelinuxer> this is the definition that needs to be created
[15:47] <thelinuxer> and i totally against being able to nominate yourself once you join a group!
[15:47] <ashams> sureeeeeeeeeeeeee
[15:47] <thelinuxer> TAB BENER3'Y FE EIH TALAMA SURE :D
[15:47] <ashams> won't this replace membership process?
[15:48] <ashams> why we need membership, if so?
[15:48] <ashams> ((Poker Face))
[15:48] <ashams> we can have voting inside FGs too
[15:48] <thelinuxer> ok here is the final part "applying for membership"
[15:48] <thelinuxer> is this the part ur against ?
[15:48] <ashams> ok, go ahead
[15:49] <ashams> yes, somehow, membership restricts some natural rights of everyone
[15:49] <thelinuxer> nope it doesn't
[15:49] <ashams> VOTING
[15:49] <thelinuxer> i think we're going in circles here ...
[15:50] <ashams> me too
[15:50] <ashams> but which circle, i can't find
[15:50] <ashams> :)
[15:50] <thelinuxer> should we or should we not allow everybody to vote ? by everybody I mean anyone who can reach the voting link
[15:50] <thelinuxer> without any kind of restriction ..
[15:50] <thelinuxer> cause this is what ur asking for ..
[15:50] <ashams> should not
[15:51] <thelinuxer> and this is what u just just said a few minutes ago that ur against
[15:51] <ashams> no
[15:51] <thelinuxer> so naturally we should restrict voting
[15:51] <thelinuxer> to a selective set
[15:51] <ashams> no
[15:51] <ashams> no
[15:51] <ashams> bos
[15:51] <ashams> it needs to be naturally open
[15:51] <ashams> not naturally restricted
[15:52] <ashams> like, you can vote if you're active in any fg
[15:52] <ashams> joining fg, is almost open
[15:52] <ashams> with showing history, or experience
[15:53] <ashams> you remeber when you agreed on
[15:53] <ashams> remember
[15:53] <ashams> on the bug control style of accepting members
[15:54] <ashams> questions you answer and send to the whole team, they look at it, then in a certain period, they + or -1
[15:54] <ashams> see, it's open :-)
[15:55] <ashams> r u okay?
[15:55] <thelinuxer> just trying to understand/remember ..
[15:56] <ashams> well, I got a semi-heart attack after watching ppl's assembly too :-(
[15:56] <thelinuxer> expected, lets not get distracted ..
[15:56] <thelinuxer> bos I guess you're mixing stuff together .
[15:57] <ashams> I like to do so...
[15:57] <thelinuxer> seif suggested that the process to be in private to avoid embarrassments for the applicant
[15:57] <ashams> yeah I +1 this too
[15:57] <thelinuxer> and he suggested that there should be some mentor to guide the applicant through the process to save council time
[15:58] <ashams> that would be FG members
[15:58] <thelinuxer> then the council will +1 / -1
[15:58] <thelinuxer> it doesn't matter
[15:58] <ashams> stop
[15:58] <thelinuxer> it can be anyone with experience about the process
[15:58] <ashams> you're talking about the membership process, right
[15:58] <ashams> ?
[15:59] <thelinuxer> yes ..
[15:59] <ashams> I'm talking about denyin that idea as a whole
[15:59] <ashams> then making use of ppl already in fgs
[15:59] <thelinuxer> i know ya shams and that's y it' getting freakishly weird cause we had this conversation over and over again ...
[16:00] <ashams> yeah
[16:00] <ashams> ok ,go ahead plz
[16:00] <thelinuxer> u agreed on this process in a meeting with other people with us!
[16:00] <ashams> I remade my mind
[16:01] <thelinuxer> then it looks like i made a mistake by not entering the council :)
[16:01] <thelinuxer> i thought we agreed on this and expected the opposition to come from anyone else
[16:01] <ashams> that's what I was saying about a month ago
[16:02] <thelinuxer> saying what ?
[16:02] <ashams> thelinuxer, you should join it
[16:02] <ashams> man, I believe there can be no 2 opinions if ppl talk
[16:03] <ashams> so, I'll define why I don't like it
[16:03] <ashams> and will send the whole thing to the public ml
[16:03] <ashams> ok?
[16:03] <thelinuxer> no don't
[16:03] <thelinuxer> it will cause a lot of confusion 3ala el fady
[16:03] <ashams> that would cause a fuss
[16:03] <ashams> :)
[16:03] <ashams> so, to council ml?
[16:04] <thelinuxer> tell u what ...
[16:04] <thelinuxer> it's your responsibility now (+ other council members)
[16:04] <thelinuxer> i have nothing to do with it
[16:04] <ashams> hehehehe
[16:04] <ashams> what is that
[16:05] <ashams> that's wrong
[16:05] <thelinuxer> no it's not
[16:05] <ashams> I don't have responsibility......
[16:05] <ashams> :)
[16:05] <thelinuxer> i chose not to be with the council to avoid enforcing anything on the community
[16:06] <thelinuxer> i was only pushing stuff forward to accelerate the process
[16:06] <ashams> chapeau
[16:06] <thelinuxer> but if we don't agree about the process then I have nothing more to do
[16:07] <ashams> dude, is not the whole thing about, who can be nominated and who can vote?
[16:08] <ashams> just making sure I'm not talking in another subject
[16:08] <ashams> on*
[16:08] <thelinuxer> r u pointing out the point where we can't agree ?
[16:09] <ashams> yes :)
[16:09] <ashams> thelinuxer, why you prefer the idea of membership process over "fg membership grants voting right"?
[16:10] <thelinuxer> if course yes ..
[16:10] <ashams> why?
[16:10] <ashams> why?
[16:10] <ashams> why?
[16:10] <ashams> why?
[16:10] <thelinuxer> because we said FG will be completely open, anyone can create any FG
[16:10] <thelinuxer> with some exceptions for specific FGs
[16:11] <thelinuxer> so joining will be open for most groups
[16:11] <ashams> ah, now I seeeeeeeeeee
[16:11] <thelinuxer> so we will be opening the voting thing for everyone
[16:11] <ashams> that's a very good point
[16:12] <thelinuxer> na3am ya a7'oooooooooooya !!!w
[16:12] <thelinuxer> loooooooooooool
[16:12]  * thelinuxer ROFL
[16:12] <ashams> ok, I'm remaking my mind......
[16:12] <ashams> shit, i'm stupid
[16:13] <thelinuxer> no ur not ur stubborn :D
[16:14] <ashams> heheheehehe lol
[16:14] <thelinuxer> tayeb weselna le eih ?
[16:14] <ashams> but, membership process is a lot
[16:14] <ashams> it's just a loco
[16:14] <thelinuxer> no it's not
[16:14] <thelinuxer> ya basha this process exists in a lot of LoCos
[16:14] <thelinuxer> and we can simplify it
[16:15] <thelinuxer> create our own version
[16:15] <ashams> won't this severely harm our encouraging environment
[16:15] <ashams> ?
[16:15] <thelinuxer> no it won't
[16:15] <thelinuxer> it may even encourage it
[16:15] <ashams> nooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[16:15] <thelinuxer> people can join and start working
[16:15] <thelinuxer> no eih bas tany ?!
[16:15] <thelinuxer> u worked for your membership @ubuntu
[16:16] <ashams> it'll be encouraging it to be complex(work to gain membership)
[16:16] <ashams> not natural work
[16:16] <ashams> yes, i did :-)
[16:16] <thelinuxer> it doesn't have to be complex yabny
[16:17] <thelinuxer> it can be a simple rule like being a member for 6 month and have testimonials from other members
[16:17] <thelinuxer> something simple to control it bas
[16:17] <ashams> ok, i like this one
[16:17] <ashams> but no mmeting
[16:17] <ashams> meeting*
[16:18] <thelinuxer> s/he has to send an application or something
[16:18] <thelinuxer> to show his/her desire in becoming a member
[16:18] <thelinuxer> the meeting will just finalize the process
[16:19] <thelinuxer> for instance after being accepted he will be added to a certain group
[16:19] <ashams> no meeting please, it'd be a lot
[16:19] <thelinuxer> u focus on minor details again
[16:19] <ashams> man, let's keep it very simple
[16:20] <thelinuxer> simple ezay ?
[16:20] <ashams> what about, questions to answer and send to the general ml, then they + or -1?
[16:20] <ashams> beside testamonials
[16:20] <ashams> testimonials *
[16:21] <thelinuxer> it's not the general ml job
[16:21] <ashams> why?
[16:21] <thelinuxer> who will take the decision ?
[16:22] <ashams> let's give it a fixed period, then the council collects votes and decide
[16:22] <ashams> say, a week
[16:22] <ashams> just for better transparency...
[16:23] <thelinuxer> any method is fine talama the council will decide ..
[16:23] <ashams> yeahm that's a good point too
[16:24] <thelinuxer> momken yekoon title mo3ayen fel subject
[16:24] <thelinuxer> we ne3mel app tecollect el thread deh ;)
[16:24] <ashams> who is talking about details now????????
[16:24] <ashams> looool
[16:24] <thelinuxer> lool
[16:25] <thelinuxer> u bardo!
[16:25] <thelinuxer> u r the one talking about the methods
[16:25] <ashams> byw: can't we get our own ML server?
[16:25] <thelinuxer> 3ala fekra applications could get easily lost law el council kano masho3'oleen fe 7agat tanya
[16:26] <thelinuxer> y our own ml server ?
[16:26] <ashams> thelinuxer, That'd would be ahsaming deed
[16:27] <ashams> we'll add it to the responsibilities of council
[16:27] <ashams> thelinuxer, getting ml server, to have our mls instead of using lp
[16:27] <thelinuxer> ya3ny i really don't care much about the techinicalities if a problem arises we will fix it isA
[16:28] <thelinuxer> we can use lists.ubuntu.com
[16:28] <ashams> ok, good enough
[16:28] <ashams> lists.u.c is not available that much
[16:28] <ashams> justs for locos, one ml, and very connected teams to project
[16:29] <thelinuxer> ok...
[16:29] <thelinuxer> tayeb delwa2ty 3ereft leeh I am concerned about the proposed agenda ?
[16:29] <ashams> Y?
[16:29] <ashams> man, would you add items you see necessary?
[16:30] <thelinuxer> I told u fel awel ya man
[16:30] <thelinuxer> it's really too early to discuss the points in the current agenda
[16:31] <thelinuxer> masalan u can discuss "How can people join council?"  "Who can vote?" and prepare the documents for these 2
[16:31] <thelinuxer> howa el meeting ad eih ?
[16:32] <ashams> 1-2-3 hrs :)
[16:33] <ashams> thelinuxer, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EgyptTeam/Meetings/Agendas/2012-02-10?highlight=%28How%20can%20ppl%20join%20Council%29
[16:34] <thelinuxer> tayeb bos ..
[16:34] <ashams> yes
[16:34] <thelinuxer> Do u agree en el membership process is really important to discuss ?
[16:34] <ashams> yesssssss
[16:35] <thelinuxer> and should be started now on council ml to be able to take a decision by next meeting ?
[16:35] <ashams> should be finished as soon as possible
[16:36] <thelinuxer> cool
[16:36] <thelinuxer> so this should on the top of the current agenda
[16:36] <thelinuxer> and we should write the draft and send it to the council ASAP
[16:37] <ashams> ah, you afraid that the meeting will finish without deciding it
[16:37] <thelinuxer> initiate the discussion before the meeting to accelerate the process ..
[16:37] <ashams> which council?
[16:37] <thelinuxer> our council of course
[16:37] <ashams> ah, i got it
[16:37] <ashams> man, have you smelled tear-gas before?
[16:37] <ashams> I mean enough?
[16:38] <thelinuxer> yes both kinds we have in Egypt
[16:38] <thelinuxer> what do u mean by enough :D?
[16:38] <ashams> does it have some effct on the long run?
[16:38] <ashams> effect*
[16:38] <ashams> nervous effect*
[16:38] <thelinuxer> AFAIK the new gas
[16:38] <thelinuxer> yes yes this is what I heard
[16:38] <ashams> buck
[16:39] <thelinuxer> howa men emta shameeto ?
[16:39] <thelinuxer> for instance this didn't happen to me
[16:39] <thelinuxer> but a friend reported that he was almost crazy for 3 days
[16:39] <thelinuxer> bas el 7amdulelah he's normal now
[16:40] <ashams> yes, I'm almost crazy
[16:40] <thelinuxer> other long term effects I really don't know about htem
[16:40] <thelinuxer> ba2alak ad eih ?
[16:40] <ashams> from sat morning
[16:40] <ashams> I think I had a light heart attack today
[16:40] <thelinuxer> !
[16:40] <thelinuxer> r u serious ?
[16:41] <ashams> sure it was a hell pain in heart for about a minute
[16:41] <ashams> like pulses
[16:41] <thelinuxer> actually if ur having a heart attack u should feel pain in your shoulder, don't remember left or right
[16:41] <thelinuxer> go to a doctor now
[16:41] <ashams> will try
[16:42] <ashams> one minute, prayer
[16:42] <thelinuxer> 7ad shafak fel mostashfa el midany ?
[16:42] <thelinuxer> i will go home now
[16:42] <ashams> nooooo, it happened today
[16:42] <thelinuxer> catch u later
[16:42] <ashams> ok, bye
[16:42] <thelinuxer> i mean when u were exposed to the tear gas
[16:42] <thelinuxer> ro7t el mostashfa el midany walla2 la2 ?
[16:43] <thelinuxer> i think they know how to treat the effects