[09:27] IE cannot be installed here right? [09:27] Why do you need IE :o :o O_o [09:28] cuz my uni website need it for resgistration [09:28] i have to use it sometimes [09:28] FF can't do the job for you? [09:29] or maybe Google Chrome? [09:29] im on chrome [09:29] but some pages cannot be open except by IE [09:29] ok.. You can install IE using WINE [09:31] ok [09:31] will it work well? [09:31] Have no idea.. but you can try it.. If you have winetricks it can help you to install a working version of IE on ubuntu [09:34] i c [09:34] sorry!! [09:35] well how can i get wine [09:36] open the software center and search for wine and winetricks.. or you can do it using the terminal too by writing: sudo apt-get install wine1.3 winetricks [09:37] 1.3? [09:37] its 1.2.3 [09:37] at the site [09:38] 1.3 is available too [09:39] you can just type wine, but it will install the v1.2.. the 1.3 is better then the 1.2 [09:39] theres 1.4 [09:39] have no idea about the 1.4 [09:39] but still in development [09:40] 1.3 is stable and available in ubuntu [09:40] ok [09:40] do u use it [09:41] yeah I do.. But not with IE.. I install other WinBug apps.. [09:42] will it let me install ie? [09:42] of course [09:44] ie6? [09:44] or earlier [09:45] have no idea, sorry.. [09:50] ok ty [09:50] :) === saad_ is now known as SaadTalaat === seiflotfy is now known as seifstrup [12:23] Hi [12:24] pinkish-gurl: hi [12:24] how u doin [12:24] pinkish-gurl: fine, need any help ? [12:24] Why its so quiet in here [12:24] mostly because people are at work :) [12:25] do i suppose to need help to come in here? [12:25] of course not [12:25] it was just a question [12:25] Is this room for egyptians livin abroad? [12:26] no it is the Egyptian community channel for Ubuntu operating system [15:06] thelinuxer, How r u doing? [15:11] ashams: fine el7l [15:11] enta 3amel eih ? [15:12] Tamam el7amdo lellah [15:12] I barely saw your ping after meting [15:12] It was already shutting down [15:12] :) [15:13] ashams: np I would have attended law kont 3aref eno el meeting 7aye7sal .. [15:14] bas 7'adt baly we howa beye7'las :D [15:15] yeah, I was there hopeless that ppl will show up :-) [15:15] lol [15:15] i have a small comment btw ... [15:15] shooooot [15:16] ashams: the last meeting was just a repetition of what the community agreed upon in our last meeting ... am I correct ? [15:16] thelinuxer, almost yes [15:16] ashams: theny [15:16] * ? [15:16] but yo know, we can not go ahead without thier confirmation [15:17] I could just use their agree on it to go ahead [15:17] ok here is y I am saying this ... [15:18] but I can't, until they discuss it [15:18] they need to *lively* confirm it [15:18] in a meeting :-) [15:18] what does lively mean ? [15:18] bos [15:19] = they should say *Yes* let's do it or let's wait [15:19] what? [15:19] what? [15:19] what? [15:19] for instance having a detailed membership process is more important that discussing what FG we should have, am I right ? [15:19] yeppers [15:19] but in all cases, I guess, we r going to deploy all at once [15:20] we can not discuss a 2nd level idea without discussing it's parent [15:21] this is not a 2nd level idea ... [15:21] and the parent idea has been discussed before ... [15:22] also the parent idea can be abstract [15:22] without going into details, talama mafeesh dependency ya3ny [15:23] man, I needed to re-discuss how council members can be elected, what if they chosen to make it a group of elected leaders of FGs? [15:24] I think, one idea may need to be discussed a couple of times before things get ready [15:25] I am not talking about this part! I am talking about discussing the different FGs [15:25] how many should we have [15:25] the difference between PR and marketing ..etc [15:25] one sec [15:27] AlanBell, Welcome :-) [15:27] there you go :) [15:28] AlanBell, Thanks :-) [15:28] hi AlanBell [15:28] hi o/ [15:28] hey HazRPG o/ [15:29] thelinuxer, what you mean with with, "different FGs", sorry [15:30] i alrady said it! [15:31] too many details [15:31] ur discussing how many should we have [15:31] what groups should be merged in what ... [15:31] these stuff doesn't need double approvals especially now [15:31] ok [15:31] and of course it's always subject to change according to every groups state [15:32] and is expected to be dynamic to allow freedom in the groups [15:32] here is why i saying this [15:32] we only have 2-3 month left [15:32] yeah [15:32] and we should start accepting members [15:33] we have enough members for the elections at least [15:33] yes [15:33] so this can be prepared quickly and the process should start [15:33] so, would you help me with the agenda for next time?: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EgyptTeam/Meetings/Agendas/2012-02-10 [15:33] and the council will review the applications privately (if you want it like this) [15:34] ashams: momken 2a2ool 7aga men 3'eer matdereb :D ? [15:34] thelinuxer, I can't promise ;) [15:34] emsa7ha :D [15:34] i guess we have a draft for the membership process [15:35] we can adjust it a little bit and send it to the council [15:35] * ashams looking for it [15:35] then discuss it in the meeting and announce the first membership meeting date [15:36] thelinuxer, myself, I object that membership method :) [15:36] what method ?! [15:36] howa feeh method aslan :D [15:36] I mean, gain membership to nominate yourself [15:37] I love nomination to be very open to public [15:37] then y did u agree on it in the first place ? [15:37] Wazery, Welcome [15:37] crap [15:38] ah, that's embarrassing [15:38] :-) [15:38] what's embarrassing ? [15:38] I can't remember actually, if I argeed or not [15:39] i guess we discussed this thoroughly and said we will do it to prevent random voting [15:39] and it's the same as the normal ubuntu-membership process [15:39] u HAVE to be a member to vote [15:40] man, it's just a LOCO [15:40] it's not a big thing [15:40] and we should be encouraging [15:40] to participate in everything [15:41] it's not very necessary that ppl join the council be thoroughly chosen [15:41] so what if someone was brought 10 of his friends to vote for him even if he hadn't participated in anything , would that be cool for u ? [15:41] but I think, it's very vital that everyone can participate in alomst everythin [15:42] thelinuxer, of course nooooo [15:42] bas i rest my case .. [15:43] but closing it is not a very good solution too [15:43] bos ... [15:43] people has to be part of the community if they want to nominate themselves to be council members, i guess this is simple enough as a rule ... right ? [15:44] "part of the community" is 3ebara mattata :) [15:45] why not, join an FG to be able to nominate for council ? [15:45] is the rule right or wrong ? answer this so i can complete ... [15:45] Right [15:45] cool [15:46] and here is the part where we need to define the "part of the community" [15:46] meetingology, hi :-) [15:46] ashams: Error: "hi" is not a valid command. [15:46] hehehehe :-) [15:46] it can be 6 month members in an FG [15:46] yes [15:46] membership* [15:46] yes [15:46] it can be some online work with facebook bla bla [15:46] and so on [15:46] yes [15:46] this is the definition that needs to be created [15:47] and i totally against being able to nominate yourself once you join a group! [15:47] sureeeeeeeeeeeeee [15:47] TAB BENER3'Y FE EIH TALAMA SURE :D [15:47] won't this replace membership process? [15:48] why we need membership, if so? [15:48] ((Poker Face)) [15:48] we can have voting inside FGs too [15:48] ok here is the final part "applying for membership" [15:48] is this the part ur against ? [15:48] ok, go ahead [15:49] yes, somehow, membership restricts some natural rights of everyone [15:49] nope it doesn't [15:49] VOTING [15:49] i think we're going in circles here ... [15:50] me too [15:50] but which circle, i can't find [15:50] :) [15:50] should we or should we not allow everybody to vote ? by everybody I mean anyone who can reach the voting link [15:50] without any kind of restriction .. [15:50] cause this is what ur asking for .. [15:50] should not [15:51] and this is what u just just said a few minutes ago that ur against [15:51] no [15:51] so naturally we should restrict voting [15:51] to a selective set [15:51] no [15:51] no [15:51] bos [15:51] it needs to be naturally open [15:51] not naturally restricted [15:52] like, you can vote if you're active in any fg [15:52] joining fg, is almost open [15:52] with showing history, or experience [15:53] you remeber when you agreed on [15:53] remember [15:53] on the bug control style of accepting members [15:54] questions you answer and send to the whole team, they look at it, then in a certain period, they + or -1 [15:54] see, it's open :-) [15:55] r u okay? [15:55] just trying to understand/remember .. [15:56] well, I got a semi-heart attack after watching ppl's assembly too :-( [15:56] expected, lets not get distracted .. [15:56] bos I guess you're mixing stuff together . [15:57] I like to do so... [15:57] seif suggested that the process to be in private to avoid embarrassments for the applicant [15:57] yeah I +1 this too [15:57] and he suggested that there should be some mentor to guide the applicant through the process to save council time [15:58] that would be FG members [15:58] then the council will +1 / -1 [15:58] it doesn't matter [15:58] stop [15:58] it can be anyone with experience about the process [15:58] you're talking about the membership process, right [15:58] ? [15:59] yes .. [15:59] I'm talking about denyin that idea as a whole [15:59] then making use of ppl already in fgs [15:59] i know ya shams and that's y it' getting freakishly weird cause we had this conversation over and over again ... [16:00] yeah [16:00] ok ,go ahead plz [16:00] u agreed on this process in a meeting with other people with us! [16:00] I remade my mind [16:01] then it looks like i made a mistake by not entering the council :) [16:01] i thought we agreed on this and expected the opposition to come from anyone else [16:01] that's what I was saying about a month ago [16:02] saying what ? [16:02] thelinuxer, you should join it [16:02] man, I believe there can be no 2 opinions if ppl talk [16:03] so, I'll define why I don't like it [16:03] and will send the whole thing to the public ml [16:03] ok? [16:03] no don't [16:03] it will cause a lot of confusion 3ala el fady [16:03] that would cause a fuss [16:03] :) [16:03] so, to council ml? [16:04] tell u what ... [16:04] it's your responsibility now (+ other council members) [16:04] i have nothing to do with it [16:04] hehehehe [16:04] what is that [16:05] that's wrong [16:05] no it's not [16:05] I don't have responsibility...... [16:05] :) [16:05] i chose not to be with the council to avoid enforcing anything on the community [16:06] i was only pushing stuff forward to accelerate the process [16:06] chapeau [16:06] but if we don't agree about the process then I have nothing more to do [16:07] dude, is not the whole thing about, who can be nominated and who can vote? [16:08] just making sure I'm not talking in another subject [16:08] on* [16:08] r u pointing out the point where we can't agree ? [16:09] yes :) [16:09] thelinuxer, why you prefer the idea of membership process over "fg membership grants voting right"? [16:10] if course yes .. [16:10] why? [16:10] why? [16:10] why? [16:10] why? [16:10] because we said FG will be completely open, anyone can create any FG [16:10] with some exceptions for specific FGs [16:11] so joining will be open for most groups [16:11] ah, now I seeeeeeeeeee [16:11] so we will be opening the voting thing for everyone [16:11] that's a very good point [16:12] na3am ya a7'oooooooooooya !!!w [16:12] loooooooooooool [16:12] * thelinuxer ROFL [16:12] ok, I'm remaking my mind...... [16:12] shit, i'm stupid [16:13] no ur not ur stubborn :D [16:14] heheheehehe lol [16:14] tayeb weselna le eih ? [16:14] but, membership process is a lot [16:14] it's just a loco [16:14] no it's not [16:14] ya basha this process exists in a lot of LoCos [16:14] and we can simplify it [16:15] create our own version [16:15] won't this severely harm our encouraging environment [16:15] ? [16:15] no it won't [16:15] it may even encourage it [16:15] nooooooooooooooooooooooooo [16:15] people can join and start working [16:15] no eih bas tany ?! [16:15] u worked for your membership @ubuntu [16:16] it'll be encouraging it to be complex(work to gain membership) [16:16] not natural work [16:16] yes, i did :-) [16:16] it doesn't have to be complex yabny [16:17] it can be a simple rule like being a member for 6 month and have testimonials from other members [16:17] something simple to control it bas [16:17] ok, i like this one [16:17] but no mmeting [16:17] meeting* [16:18] s/he has to send an application or something [16:18] to show his/her desire in becoming a member [16:18] the meeting will just finalize the process [16:19] for instance after being accepted he will be added to a certain group [16:19] no meeting please, it'd be a lot [16:19] u focus on minor details again [16:19] man, let's keep it very simple [16:20] simple ezay ? [16:20] what about, questions to answer and send to the general ml, then they + or -1? [16:20] beside testamonials [16:20] testimonials * [16:21] it's not the general ml job [16:21] why? [16:21] who will take the decision ? [16:22] let's give it a fixed period, then the council collects votes and decide [16:22] say, a week [16:22] just for better transparency... [16:23] any method is fine talama the council will decide .. [16:23] yeahm that's a good point too [16:24] momken yekoon title mo3ayen fel subject [16:24] we ne3mel app tecollect el thread deh ;) [16:24] who is talking about details now???????? [16:24] looool [16:24] lool [16:25] u bardo! [16:25] u r the one talking about the methods [16:25] byw: can't we get our own ML server? [16:25] 3ala fekra applications could get easily lost law el council kano masho3'oleen fe 7agat tanya [16:26] y our own ml server ? [16:26] thelinuxer, That'd would be ahsaming deed [16:27] we'll add it to the responsibilities of council [16:27] thelinuxer, getting ml server, to have our mls instead of using lp [16:27] ya3ny i really don't care much about the techinicalities if a problem arises we will fix it isA [16:28] we can use lists.ubuntu.com [16:28] ok, good enough [16:28] lists.u.c is not available that much [16:28] justs for locos, one ml, and very connected teams to project [16:29] ok... [16:29] tayeb delwa2ty 3ereft leeh I am concerned about the proposed agenda ? [16:29] Y? [16:29] man, would you add items you see necessary? [16:30] I told u fel awel ya man [16:30] it's really too early to discuss the points in the current agenda [16:31] masalan u can discuss "How can people join council?" "Who can vote?" and prepare the documents for these 2 [16:31] howa el meeting ad eih ? [16:32] 1-2-3 hrs :) [16:33] thelinuxer, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EgyptTeam/Meetings/Agendas/2012-02-10?highlight=%28How%20can%20ppl%20join%20Council%29 [16:34] tayeb bos .. [16:34] yes [16:34] Do u agree en el membership process is really important to discuss ? [16:34] yesssssss [16:35] and should be started now on council ml to be able to take a decision by next meeting ? [16:35] should be finished as soon as possible [16:36] cool [16:36] so this should on the top of the current agenda [16:36] and we should write the draft and send it to the council ASAP [16:37] ah, you afraid that the meeting will finish without deciding it [16:37] initiate the discussion before the meeting to accelerate the process .. [16:37] which council? [16:37] our council of course [16:37] ah, i got it [16:37] man, have you smelled tear-gas before? [16:37] I mean enough? [16:38] yes both kinds we have in Egypt [16:38] what do u mean by enough :D? [16:38] does it have some effct on the long run? [16:38] effect* [16:38] nervous effect* [16:38] AFAIK the new gas [16:38] yes yes this is what I heard [16:38] buck [16:39] howa men emta shameeto ? [16:39] for instance this didn't happen to me [16:39] but a friend reported that he was almost crazy for 3 days [16:39] bas el 7amdulelah he's normal now [16:40] yes, I'm almost crazy [16:40] other long term effects I really don't know about htem [16:40] ba2alak ad eih ? [16:40] from sat morning [16:40] I think I had a light heart attack today [16:40] ! [16:40] r u serious ? [16:41] sure it was a hell pain in heart for about a minute [16:41] like pulses [16:41] actually if ur having a heart attack u should feel pain in your shoulder, don't remember left or right [16:41] go to a doctor now [16:41] will try [16:42] one minute, prayer [16:42] 7ad shafak fel mostashfa el midany ? [16:42] i will go home now [16:42] nooooo, it happened today [16:42] catch u later [16:42] ok, bye [16:42] i mean when u were exposed to the tear gas [16:42] ro7t el mostashfa el midany walla2 la2 ? [16:43] i think they know how to treat the effects