=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [00:27] * popey hugs andylockran === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [01:06] christ. im such an idiot.. rested touchpad against a unstable object watching a video. saw it toppling, dived underneath, throwing drink all over myself and the touchpad, albeit saving the touchpad from a hard fall. could be called a good save id it wasnt for my own stupidity in the first place.. [01:07] hardware seems fine.. well the touchpad.. i think i bruised myself. heh [01:07] doh [01:07] note to self.. although the loo roll in the kitchen seemed stable, it was a really dumb ass choice of rest.. [02:19] x5 [02:20] oops o.O [07:39] Hi, anyone using chromium on ubuntu. I was wondering how I could get the menu bar integration actiavted. (I'm on 11.10) [07:58] Firefox has just badly starting crashing on me sine it updated to v10 this morning. It won't even let me login to Google ffs, in a new profile :-( Think it'll be a mostly chrome day today...) === alang is now known as alang|afk [08:45] Looks like my car battery needs to be replaced :( [08:50] morning folks [08:50] daubers: problems starting the car? [08:51] dwatkins: Occasionally it's taking more to turn over :( Trying to trickle charge the battery back to life, but it's not really taking any ampage [08:51] daubers: petrol or diesel? [08:52] daubers, Mine gets like that in the winter, especially with the minus degrees we have been getting [08:54] I had troubles last winter, turned out my diesel's glow plugs were on their way out so the engine wasn't pre-warming enough. [08:55] Ah that is a good thought === alang|afk is now known as alang [09:03] Morning all [09:16] dwatkins: diesel [09:16] dwatkins: glow plugs where replaced 6 months ago in the service [09:16] daubers: oh, hmm [09:20] dwatkins: Battery is possibly 10 years old [09:21] does it get used daily? [09:21] imexil: menu bar integration? [09:21] hi popey [09:22] yes, I still have the "close" "minimise" and "maximise icons sitting on the tab row and not in the top row [09:22] daubers: ah ok, perhaps best to get it replaced, then - you need quite a lot of current for the glowplugs [09:23] imexil: hit the spanner and choose settings [09:23] * TheOpenSourcerer appears to have just received a large number of new OpenERP leads :-) [09:23] imexil: there's an option to use the native theme [09:24] TheOpenSourcerer: yay [09:24] ~38 by the looks of it [09:24] about that [09:24] * popey wonders if Daviey made it back from fosdem [09:24] popey: found it THANKS! [09:24] * TheOpenSourcerer thinks the phone may a tad warm for a while. [09:24] hmm, hdmi port on x220 doesn't look like standard hdmi [09:24] they did manage to pass us one of the other partners as a lead [09:24] good morning everyone. [09:25] Yeah - I saw that ;-) [09:26] * brobostigon shakes his fist at all these mono updates in debian. [09:26] dwatkins: yeah, the short commute to work is probably making it a lot worse too [09:26] * TheOpenSourcerer makes a tarball of his backed up ff profile from last night. Since this morning (after updating to 10) firefox crashes repeatedly... [09:26] Looks like it will be a Chrome only day today. [09:27] updating... to 10? [09:27] i'm on 11 [09:27] daubers: yeah, I imagine it might [09:27] ali1234: Firefox 11 is not released [09:27] *shrug* [09:27] 11 is beta. [09:27] it's what i have... [09:28] Anyway that is moot. Firefox managed to completely break this morning. Badly. [09:28] does anyone ever use tab groups? [09:28] brobostigon: you can uninstall mono if you don't use any mono apps [09:28] how weird. 2 gmail chat windows in chromium were using 60% of cpu [09:28] and 600mb ram [09:28] popey: only one i use, it that notetaking app, i cant remember what it is called. [09:30] tomboy, that is it. [09:31] * daubers doesn't mind mono [09:31] c# isn't a bad language [09:37] brobostigon: do you use the sync feature of tomboy? [09:38] tomboy sync is the main reason i use ubuntu one [09:39] popey: yes, i have it synced to a folder in my dropbox. [09:39] brobostigon: does gnote not offer that functionality? [09:39] oimon: never tried it, no idea. [09:40] no oimon [09:40] it doesnt do sync [09:40] how lame [09:40] which is why i was asking if brobostigon used the sync feature [09:41] i use docky for mono also, but i understand it's getting rewritten in vala for elementary [09:41] it would be good though, if tomboy could start in login. [09:41] it can [09:41] wfm [09:41] popey: how? [09:41] i have it started at login on my ubuntu machine [09:41] dunno on debian, I use unity on ubuntu which has a 'startup applications' thing in the cog in the corner [09:42] ok, [09:42] there might be something similer for gnome3. [09:44] * Daviey did [09:44] popey: :) [09:47] * directhex lands [09:48] gnome-session-properties, is the app. :) [09:56] * brobostigon wonders what directhex jumped out of, to have landed? [09:56] bed! [09:56] hum. went off to make coffee, came back and the computer was asking for my password. just put it in so i could get on with things. possibly not the best with security me [09:57] ah, lol. ok. :) [09:58] brobostigon: popey , since you are using dropbox there is a workaround to sync notes with gnote & dropbox, since you can symlink the .local/share/gnote folder in dropbox [09:58] * bigcalm summons himself from the afterlife [09:58] Good morning peeps [09:58] oimon: thats not wise [09:58] and expressly not-recommended by the tomboy devs [09:58] why's that? high chance of losing/corrupting data? [09:58] yes [09:59] and I have experienced exactly that [09:59] :( [09:59] :( :( [09:59] i can foresee a similar position to brobostigon that i only require mono for tomboy in future [09:59] yeah, i only use mono for tomboy, but I don't particularly care [09:59] its not like there are daily updates to the whole mono stack [10:00] oimon: only difference being, there is no folder symlinking, the folder is directly in the dropbox folder. [10:02] eeek, seesmic just locked hard on android, and android rebooted. [10:02] it did it again, :( [10:04] Twitter clients do seem to be the leasiest in memory terms... [10:04] *leakiest [10:05] Morning, by the way [10:05] morning alexcockell [10:05] At least Gwibber holds around the same level of memory usage - and seems to be the friendliest client out there... [10:06] More hassle inthe Wintel world, tbh.. [10:07] alexcockell: it is a twitter client, yes, but i was trying to update from identica when it did that. [10:08] Ah. [10:08] Does Seesmic rely on AIR? [10:08] I seem to remember that the desktop version does.. [10:08] Best twitter client for Ubuntu is Hotot IMHO [10:09] Is it in the repos? [10:09] Been using it for months now. [10:09] alexcockell: It's got a PPA [10:09] Ah - are there plans to get it into the regular repos? [10:09] http://hotot.org/ [10:09] I have no idea. [10:09] Ask the devs [10:10] alexcockell: no idea, but i certainly do not, have adobe air installed here in android. [10:10] Cool - does seem to be a hell of a memory sieve at the best of times... [10:13] Happy Monday, everyone! :D [10:17] I am trying to view a MP4 (MPEG4-video, 1920x1080, 30f/s) but its stuttering. My mobile has no problems, why doesn't my Ubuntu 11.04 doesn't show it smoothly. Anyone have a tip to solve it? [10:18] Wobbo: what video card does your computer have? [10:18] an Ati [10:18] no idea, sorry. [10:19] Your mobile is likely down sampling that resolution [10:19] HD 6900 [10:19] Wobbo: do you have restricted drivers installed? [10:20] yep, the onse from ATI [10:21] Bah! New laptop is broken. [10:21] :'( [10:21] boot up and get "2100: Detection error on HDD0 (Main HDD)" [10:21] Back to China it goes [10:21] i have next business day warranty [10:21] they can come out and fix the thing! [10:21] Might just be the hdd that's br0ked [10:22] You voided that warranty by installing nasty Linux on it. If it's not Windows, it's not legit [10:22] er, no. [10:22] :P [10:22] My laptop is hase nvidia-ion but i am using on-restricted. [10:25] My laptop has the same problems. [10:26] lenovo support site says "Reset the hard drive". What the hell does that mean? [10:27] popey: if the rest of Canonical use that laptop, maybe they should have dedicated support for it ;) [10:27] hah [10:27] i paid for next day, I'm gonna use it [10:29] popey: probably means re-seat the hdd, as in remove it and slam it back in again [10:29] raise it a few feet above the ground at the corect angle, and drop it, to re-eat the memory packs [10:29] also, a small blob of blu-tac can help keep them in place [10:29] it's still the 1980s, right? [10:31] Wish it were [10:31] Music would be much better [10:32] Morning all [10:32] i treat my laptop far too much like my previous netbooks that had ssd's - throw it everywhere, gonna regret it some day [10:33] Yup [10:33] * popey phones lenovo [10:33] just need to get an SSD really [10:33] the thinkpad is far too useful as a convenience device to treat it with kid gloves [10:33] I treat my Xoom tablet like it'll break if I don't smile at it every day. Very precious about it. [10:33] hahaha [10:34] you're so weird [10:34] :D [10:34] hrm.... new idea, put face recognition tech into unity, detect frowns. display placekitten.com pictures every time frown is detected [10:34] TheOpenSourcerer: i use hotot but it does suffer from memory leakage [10:35] and a slightly non-conforming gui [10:35] christel: I was the same with my Nexus One when I got it (though I did buy that direct from Google and it cost me a packet). That was some time ago and it's since got quite a few scrapes/dents in the casing. I am a clumsy bloke after all [10:35] gord: perfect idea! [10:35] i know people who still keep their nexus one in the little pocket you get with it, iruno, i just throw mine in the same pocket as my keys, worked fine so far ;) [10:36] ugh. half an hour of trying to track down bizarre and seemingly unrelated faults, until I stumbled across a tell-tale 'No space left on device' [10:36] gord: I use the neoprene pocket that came with the Nexus One. I'm sure it's saved it from far worse than case dents [10:38] shauno: heh [10:38] shauno: thunderbird silently failing to download emails, sort of thing? [10:39] gord: I'm going to be lost without the wee pocket when I replace the handset with an S2 or whatever is available in April [10:39] gordonjcp, not far off, but it was on the server's end. so thunderbird claiming my password was wrong [10:40] logwatch FTW! [10:40] Which is a point. Should set it up on my bytemark host [10:41] I left my VPS grabbing some pdfs last night. apparently completely underestimated their size [10:44] what ever happened to putting "test pilot" features in to unity? [10:44] * brobostigon is concerned, his htc dream, just shutdown, and wouldnt start up again, untill i pulled the battery out, and put it back in again. [10:45] lenovo dude sent me to http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/downloads/detail.page?&DocID=DS025448 [10:45] to download the linux based diagnostics CD [10:45] shauno: lol [10:45] ali1234, they got put in to unity? [10:45] gord: really? why isn't it asking me to submit results then? [10:46] and where can i see metrics? [10:46] popey: customer support that know what they are talking about?! [10:46] i suspect this is standard answer [10:46] ali1234, submit results? [10:47] yes, the information gathered? [10:47] because we aren't asking people to submit tests? [10:47] so the feature is there but not used? [10:48] it is used [10:48] used only internally? [10:48] its our test suite [10:48] pretty much [10:48] so it's not like test pilot at all then [10:48] its auto pilot - its for automatic testing [10:49] that's the exact opposite of test pilot [10:49] i'll give you an example of the kind of question test pilot answers [10:49] The box you get when a window pops up. Do you call them "Dialog" or "Dialogue"? [10:50] I've seen 'dialog' more frequently [10:50] i always thought it was 'dialog' in computer speak [10:50] like programme/program [10:50] when you click on an item on the launcher, if there are multiple windows, it first gives you the most recent window of that group. if you click it again, it shows the switcher [10:50] It's like having to use program instead of programme [10:50] :D [10:50] ;) [10:50] how often is the most recent used window of the group actually thew window the person wants? [10:51] and how often does the user immediately click on the launcher again because it was the wrong window? [10:51] (i find myself doing that a lot) [10:53] another thing you could detect is how often an attempt to resize a window gets blocked by the overlay scrollbar [10:53] Is there a step-through debugger for PHP? I have a script that strace tells me is sitting waiting on polling a socket and I'm trying to work out what its doing just beforehand. [10:53] it's fastcgi so there's no need to replicate any of mod_php [10:53] i'd be interested to know how much people actually use the dash as well [10:53] for each lens [10:54] and do people select a specific lens before searching, or do they first try the global search, and then switch to a specific lens? [10:54] bah, just burned a CD and then remembered the x220 doesn't have an optical drive [10:54] *belm* [10:55] you spelled derp wrong [10:55] hope it works off a usb stick [10:55] you broke your new toy already? [10:55] i've found cables become unseated during transit on occasion. internal drive connector and lcd screens too [10:56] i have reseated the drive [10:56] gonna run diags though [10:56] there's not a lot of room for it to become unsteated [10:56] given it's a laptop [10:56] but how does the sata slot join to the motherboard ? [10:56] soldered? [10:57] i suppose if yuo're gonna open a new toy up, you might as well get an engineer to do it :D [10:57] on mine, there's not actually space for the sata plug to come unseated; you have to unscrew the drive and remove it from the plug, rather than move the plug [10:58] I'm constantly amazed at how efficiently they manage to use/abuse every last mm in these things [11:01] I'm surprised other laptop manufacturers havn't started making them out of aluminium as well as Apple [11:01] there's very little room for movement in my Macbook Pro. [11:02] yeah, i love the feel of the mbp [11:02] morning all [11:02] I'd like to triple-boot mine when I have a larger disk [11:02] hi davmor2 [11:03] czajkowski: prod get up and on line [11:03] always felt like macbooks are too big for me, like my laptops tiny [11:04] well, good news, 4 years later, they're starting to catch up to the macbook air :) [11:05] and everyone else is copying them [11:05] I don't like small laptops [11:06] I want one with a full-size keyboard with decent travel, and a lot of battery [11:06] then you want an x220 ;) tiny laptop, full sized keyboard, lots of battery [11:06] I don't want a tiny laptop [11:06] that's the point [11:06] fiddly annoying things [11:07] I want something with a 22" screen and an IBM Model M type keyboard [11:07] I'm not really fussed if it's a big heavy thing, I'm a big heavy thing [11:07] as long as it's under about 15kg it'll be fine [11:08] laptop to me is a portable computer, if its not easily portable i might as well be using a desktop [11:08] well that is easily portable [11:09] I don't particularly care about using one while walking around, I have an android phone for that [11:13] My laptop sits on my desk in a docking station unless I want to work from home or take it into a meeting to do a presentation. [11:13] It's handy to have the option, but I don't move it very often. [11:19] bah, passed diags [11:21] ok chaps - just ordered my valentines card from a moonpig type site which is giving £5 credit away free and no credit card details required if spend is under £5 [11:21] how romantic ;) [11:21] as gord says [11:22] not getting one of these then? http://newslite.tv/2012/02/06/asda-launch-7p-valentines-day.html [11:22] Tempting [11:22] 7p ? ripoff. i got mine for free :D [11:22] or one of these? http://farm1.staticflickr.com/23/37297133_5717d2b86a.jpg ;) [11:22] for a proper cheapskate, you could take a photo of a card you like and upload the photo [11:22] Reminds me that I need to book a table at the balti house I proposed in last year [11:24] I'm reminded of this reddit comment: "My perfect Valentine's day? I'm at home, three cell phones in front of me, fielding desperate calls from people who want to buy one of the fifty restaurant reservations I made over six months ago." [11:24] heh lol [11:25] takeaways on valentines day are much more romantic [11:25] oh sorry, it was from this image: http://i.imgur.com/zUofL.png (SFW) [11:25] oimon: indeed [11:25] heh dwatkins :) [11:25] busiest day of the year for eating out. women must be high maintenance if they insist getting taken out on 14th feb [11:26] nooo [11:26] it was from the actual tv show >:( [11:26] yeah, it's much nicer to choose a random day sometime around then and go out to a quiet restaurant, if you need to go out [11:26] now to find a present :-\ [11:26] oimon: Big Trak ;) [11:27] with a chocolate on top [11:27] well i just asked wifey what our valentines plans were, she suggested dominos on friday 17th [11:27] directhex is very lucky [11:27] \o/ pizza [11:29] Oh my goodness. A client just renewed their SSL cert on Rackspace. 599 quid for 1 year?! [11:30] Must be a dot com. [11:30] ? [11:31] I assume their domain is something.com, hence the cost. [11:31] Oh, is that how it works? [11:32] http://vimeo.com/26489936 << massive waste of paper but quite fun [11:32] * daubers tends to cook on Valentines day [11:32] I think there are also tiers for the type of verification, whether it's a green thing in the browser or just that https works, bigcalm - not sure exactly. [11:33] I see [11:35] perhaps it is just the type of certificate that governs the price, but I would expect ISPs to try and make extra cash on popular domain names with this too. [11:35] * dwatkins sees the name "Go Daddy" and ignores it entirely [11:39] dwatkins: because of slutty advertising or SOPA? [11:41] oimon: initially because their website is like watching the shopping channel [11:42] I admit my opnions of them have been coloured by the whole SOPA thing, and the reddit campaign against them, but from what I understand, GoDaddy have done some pretty underhand things, and the guy who runs the company has some questionable hobbies. === dogmatic69_ is now known as dogmatic69 [11:52] oimon: nice idea but you know what they say. make something idiot proof and they will build a better idiot [11:53] the elephaqnt hunting? [11:53] directhex: that was indeed what I was referring-to, yes [11:56] Using GoDaddy is a pretty painful experience [11:59] hm, well that didn't last long. thunderbird is absolutely hopeless :/ [11:59] new version, shauno? [11:59] appears to be 10, not sure if that makes a difference tho [12:00] there appears to be absolutely zero indication of any new mail within a collapsed thread. I kinda need a client that can thread :) [12:01] it underlines it [12:02] yup, underlines the top main the the thread if there is new mail inside [12:03] hm. I must be going blind then, because I didn't spot that in a full folder [12:06] * dwatkins closes the Ally Sheedy tab and winks at shauno [12:11] It's a lovely day to walk to the shop to get some lunch. [12:11] it is something like 3/4 degress celcius, and foggy here. [12:12] it seems mac os lion latest update broke cups for our users :-\ [12:13] oimon: I've heard lots of issues with the most recent Lion updates :-/ [12:14] OS X uses cups? [12:14] yes. [12:14] very much so, they hired the cups developer [12:15] interesting, didnt know that, [12:19] oimon: I thought they pulled the delta update? [12:20] oimon: http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/02/apple-pulls-crashtacular-10-7-3-delta-update/ [12:21] morning [12:21] miserable day here in reading [12:22] mattt: I used to live in Reading, it's not got the best weather in the UK, sadly [12:24] * dwatkins heads off to wish he brought his sunglasses and observe the Pentland hills whilst walking to Tesco [12:27] daubers: i've had 2 users complaining their printers have pdisappeared and remote queues can't be added after updating [12:27] lion sounds like a complete fail so far, with the amount of issues we've had to look into [12:28] lion achieves its main purpose [12:59] I'm looking for recommendations for a podcatcher for android, if anyone has one [13:07] gordonjcp: dogcatcher is the one I hear people mention iirc [13:08] just learnt that time team is on youtube provided by 4oD. time to be a nerd i guess === nothingspecial is now known as angela-android [13:08] gord, mrevell , bigcalm: You set for Thursday? [13:08] What is Lion's main purpose, directhex? [13:08] davmor2, Sure am. [13:09] * mrevell checks bus times [13:09] davmor2, we'll see, will decide on wednesday. feature freeze is next week so busy [13:09] dwatkins: surely killing antelope? [13:10] davmor2: I see what you did there [13:10] dwatkins, to make the desktop/laptop more ipaddy [13:11] dwatkins, e.g. drag scrolling, the new optional ipad-style launcher [13:11] yeah, directhex - I gather it causes issues with some websites, but I guess I can understand the reason for doing it [13:16] popey: righto, I'll give it a shot [13:16] popey: Google Listen falls down badly because it doesn't save the downloaded podcasts in an immediately usable way, and it doesn't stop the device sleeping ;-) [13:17] i couldn' get on with google listen [13:18] gordonjcp, maybe something that would store in ubuntu one? then you can stream using the u1music app [13:20] davmor2: morning [13:21] czajkowski: Yay how was fosdem prod? [13:21] good thanks [13:21] gord: surely then I'd need to keep fiddling with my PC to stick them in U1 to begin with? [13:21] got home very late though [13:22] gordonjcp, i figure you would have a cronjob or just a service of some sort that gets them whenever your computer is on [13:25] gord: probably easiest tbh [13:25] sounds like I have an itch to scratch for a first android project [13:25] czajkowski: dirty stop out :P [13:25] davmor2: pesky snow! [13:26] 90+ mins delayed [13:27] czajkowski: yeah, yeah any excuse I had a 4 hour train ride to London due to virgin rail derailment if that makes you feel any better :) [13:27] you i london today? [13:27] no I was there friday [13:28] davmor2: they will let you back in [13:29] BigRedS: well someone has to pick on czajkowski and that is where she is based ;) [13:36] davmor2: yes, I'll be there [13:44] davmor2: is Alex confirmed? [13:44] bigcalm: yeap [13:47] Please let there be no tab [13:50] my boss has lots of chocolate in her office, I think she's trying to tempt us all to go in there and eat it [13:51] i have lots of chocolate in my office too, if you come in here, you can not have any of it [13:51] its for me [13:57] I'm glad gord isn't my boss. [14:04] if i were your boss there would be a 10% chocolate tax on your salary [14:05] Heh [14:11] I would expect to get that much chocolate each month, then. [14:12] bigcalm: no tab I'll stab moreati before he can suggest it :D [14:12] \o/e [14:12] -e [14:13] It works if everybody has the same drink the same number of times. It doesn't work when Alex's drinks cost more than everybody elses [14:13] And we don't all drink at the same rate [14:17] Indervidual tabs that one can pay off at the end of the day would be good though [14:17] Can pay by card then [14:20] bigcalm: indeed that may well be the way forward [14:27] Other people bring me drinks is something I like [14:27] Right now my mug is empty, which means having to go to the kitchen myself! [14:27] *sigh* [14:28] bigcalm: could be worse you could have no water then where would you have to go :P [14:29] I keep a bottle of water on my desk. Best start drinking that now [14:34] * dwatkins joins bigcalm in the kitchen [14:36] Oi, put that coffee back [14:39] it's tea actually. [14:55] hello all [14:55] :D [15:40] NXEA no longer run my train franchise. i wonder what my chances of getting delay payments from last month are :-\ === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [16:24] The fog is creeping in [16:54] * popey pokes aquarius in the eye with the notes web interface [16:54] oi! [16:54] what was that for? [16:55] sadness that we're shutting it down [16:55] which is why I'm writing a replacement. [16:55] I'd be happy to have your help :) [16:56] :D [16:56] sadness is often expressed in eye poking form :P [16:56] popey: you mentioned the other day setting up a youtube account for canonical. i need to set up something like that... got any tips? [16:56] did you make a whole google account for it? [16:56] i did [16:56] i have way too many google accounts [16:56] what did you put in the "date of birth" [16:56] and first name/last name? [16:57] something over 18 [16:57] and I made a note of it in case they ever ask me for it [16:57] ali1234: have you seen this KDE Plasma tablet? what are your opinions on it? :) [16:57] for some of them I just put my own details [16:57] assuming it doesn't leak that info in the public UI [16:57] i don't think it does... thought you might know :) [16:57] popey, you are welcome to ru your own version of my server if you want, although it's not finished yet. We'll be deploying a hosted version :) [16:57] well, for one I put "ubuntu" as the first name and "screencasts" as the last name [16:58] aquarius: based on snowy? [16:58] popey: just remember not to touch google plus with that account, they can/will suspend the entire google account for using an alias on google plus [16:58] Azelphur: no they dont [16:58] they have retracted their real names policy [16:58] yeah that's a whole other issue [16:58] orly? [16:58] yeah [16:58] oh? that's news to me [16:58] not really bothered about not using + [16:58]