| Len-1204 | astraljava: Re: pulse to jack bridging. | 01:14 |
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| Len-1204 | I think I have found the solution. It just needs to be automated. | 01:14 |
| Len-1204 | I have installed todays US and set it for RT... user is already in group audio. | 01:15 |
| Len-1204 | starting jack with qjackctl shows pulse through jack... but no audio plays. killall pulseaudio -> open the pulseaudio control app. This starts pulse up again and everything works. | 01:17 |
| Len-1204 | I think that while pulse audio put the jack bridging in place it never lets go of alsa as one of its outputs. | 01:19 |
| Len-1204 | The pulseaudio controler showed two outputs when it wasn't working and now only shows jack when it works. | 01:20 |
| Len-1204 | Big plus when running pulse into jackd.... pulse has no access to alsa controls ;-) | 01:22 |
| Len-1204 | This is good and bad. The plus is that for example with audacity where it starts a connection with pulse at record buttom push | 01:23 |
| Len-1204 | pulse can't then muck with the capture controls that have been carefully set. | 01:24 |
| Len-1204 | The minus is that setting those controls could be less intuitive. | 01:24 |
| Len-1204 | There are two sets of controls ;-) the alsa set and the pulse set. | 01:26 |
| Len-1204 | The pulse set is software. | 01:27 |
| Len-1204 | Earlier we talked about making sure that any of the missing applications from workflows will install and will run. | 02:31 |
| Len-1204 | audacity is a yes. In fact it works better with PA/jackd bridging. It can record what a PA client is doing... so someone doing a "podcat | 02:32 |
| Len-1204 | "podcast" using skype. can call someone and record it. | 02:33 |
| Len-1204 | (I actually had someone ask how that exact thing could be done) | 02:34 |
| Len-1204 | Installed ubuntu-standard. with nano, telnet (which can be used for lots of things besides remote login BTW) | 02:47 |
| Len-1204 | That also installed ufw and perhaps some other things that may now run from start up... not sure if that is a good thing... having more stuff run. But having a cli editor I can use with out a manual on my lap is good. | 02:49 |
| Len-1204 | Linux sampler seems to be a lib not an app so I installed qsampler which is LS with a gui. | 03:05 |
| Len-1204 | Hmm, qsampler installs... doesn't show in menu though there is a desktop file. I can't run it though. It start the linuxsampler server but can't connect to it (connection refused) | 03:08 |
| ailo | linux-sampler is not installed, is it? | 03:08 |
| ailo | It's "non free" | 03:09 |
| Len-1204 | I think qsampler installs it as a depends | 03:09 |
| ailo | At least last time I checked | 03:09 |
| Len-1204 | Then maybe it should not be in our workflows? | 03:09 |
| ailo | Is there even a package in the repo? | 03:09 |
| Len-1204 | seems to be | 03:10 |
| Len-1204 | qsampler is there | 03:10 |
| Len-1204 | it seemed to pull in something. | 03:10 |
| ailo | qsampler is just the frontend and is under a different license | 03:10 |
| ailo | The thing with linux-sampler is that the license i GPL but with a restriction | 03:11 |
| Len-1204 | qsampler starts a server it says is linuxsampler | 03:11 |
| ailo | I guess to prevent it to be used in hardware samplers or something, who knows | 03:11 |
| ailo | Len-1204: Do apt-cache search linux-sampler or linuxsampler | 03:12 |
| Len-1204 | it seems to start... but maybe it has no way of knowing besides if it can connect | 03:12 |
| ailo | Len-1204: I don't think there is any linux sampler there | 03:12 |
| ailo | Or what's the command to show dependencies for a package? | 03:13 |
| Len-1204 | root@ustudio1204:~# apt-cache search linuxsampler | 03:13 |
| Len-1204 | gigedit - instrument editor for Gigasampler files | 03:13 |
| Len-1204 | liblscp-dbg - LinuxSampler Control Protocol library - debugging symbols | 03:13 |
| Len-1204 | liblscp-dev - Development files for LinuxSampler Control Protocol library | 03:13 |
| Len-1204 | liblscp6 - LinuxSampler Control Protocol wrapper library | 03:13 |
| Len-1204 | qsampler - LinuxSampler GUI frontend based on the Qt toolkit | 03:13 |
| ailo | I know this cause I used to compile linux sampler for ubuntu now and then in the past | 03:13 |
| ailo | It has a restriction that makes it impossible to add it to the repo | 03:14 |
| Len-1204 | I think it is something (at least for now) to remove from the workflows | 03:14 |
| Len-1204 | How about xsynth? | 03:15 |
| ailo | I don't know what that is | 03:15 |
| ailo | falktx builds linux-sampler for his ppa, so if it is to be used in a workflow documentation somewhere, a ppa would be needed | 03:16 |
| ailo | It would probably be best to create a new ppa for just those odd packages | 03:16 |
| Len-1204 | xsynth is already included | 03:16 |
| Len-1204 | there is a wsynth which is a wavetable hack on xsynth that looks interesting. | 03:17 |
| falktx | DSSI stuff is being deprecated | 03:17 |
| Len-1204 | Ah, so it should be removed? | 03:18 |
| falktx | no | 03:18 |
| Len-1204 | we are moving to LV2? | 03:18 |
| falktx | deprecated doesn't mean good, just that it won't be there for too long | 03:18 |
| falktx | LV2 is the future, in theory | 03:19 |
| falktx | I don't ha | 03:19 |
| falktx | err | 03:19 |
| falktx | I don't like it | 03:19 |
| Len-1204 | Will dssi be here long enough to last for 12.04? | 03:19 |
| falktx | of course | 03:20 |
| Len-1204 | 3 years I thnk | 03:20 |
| falktx | dssi stuff won't go anywhere, but new apps will stop supporting it | 03:20 |
| falktx | so slowly it gets less usable | 03:20 |
| Len-1204 | there is a plugin module we ship that mounts them and ports them to jack... as long as we have that we are ok | 03:21 |
| Len-1204 | Nope, I'm wrong. they are lv2 racks | 03:24 |
| Len-1204 | There are two dssi bridge programs though, maybe we should include one of them. | 03:28 |
| ailo | There's something called ghostess | 03:28 |
| Len-1204 | dssi-host-jack works with jack and ghostess bridges to lv2 | 03:29 |
| falktx | what? | 03:30 |
| ailo | I only know that hexter uses dssi-host-jack. No idea how that works | 03:31 |
| Len-1204 | nope sorry ghostess is the gui for the first one | 03:31 |
| ailo | I often us hexter as a standalone thing | 03:31 |
| ailo | Just tried ghostess | 03:32 |
| ailo | It's some kind of a very simple gui | 03:32 |
| ailo | For dssi plugins | 03:32 |
| Len-1204 | naspro-bridges is the one that goes to lv2 | 03:32 |
| Len-1204 | I'm trying them both | 03:33 |
| Len-1204 | naspro makes all the dssi synths show up in zynjacku | 03:37 |
| Len-1204 | ghostess is not user friendly. requires cli to start. I would suggest naspro-bridges as it installs and just works. | 03:48 |
| falktx | naspro doesn't do dssi guis | 03:52 |
| falktx | which makes fluidsynth and hexter useless | 03:52 |
| falktx | maybe others | 03:52 |
| Len-1204 | it does give control in a gui, just not the gui it came with. | 03:55 |
| falktx | that's not the point | 03:55 |
| Len-1204 | not the gui the dssi came with | 03:55 |
| falktx | fluidsynth for example has no parameters | 03:55 |
| falktx | so zynjacku will not display anything in the UI | 03:56 |
| falktx | it needs the internal plugin UI to select a soundfont | 03:56 |
| Len-1204 | Ok, actually neither fluidsynth or hexter show up in zynjacku anyway. | 03:57 |
| Len-1204 | hexter can run stand alone and fluid has qsynth | 03:59 |
| Len-1204 | naspro allows xsynth and wsynth to work stand alone as well. | 04:00 |
| ailo | hexter can't run as standalone without jack-dssi-host | 04:04 |
| Len-1204 | Frescobaldi pulls in lilypond. | 04:04 |
| Len-1204 | do we have that? | 04:04 |
| Len-1204 | lilypond-doc is very big. 237M we may want to install without. and download after we have network. | 04:06 |
| Len-1204 | Yeah, we have jack-dssi-host. | 04:14 |
| Len-1204 | Frescobaldi/lilypond installs and runs.. I am not a good tester of this though as I am not someone who follows music... chord charts are about it. | 04:35 |
| Len-1204 | CSound/celia load and run.... again I don't know how well it runs | 04:37 |
| Len-1204 | chuck is not available in repo. | 04:38 |
| * micahg sees chuck in the repo | 05:04 | |
| micahg | chuck | 1.2.0.8.dfsg-1.4 | precise/universe | source, amd64, armel, armhf, i386, powerpc | 05:04 |
| Len-1204 | found it, thanks. | 05:12 |
| Len-1204 | xwax loads. It is a cli utility. I can't test it with no equipment though. | 05:12 |
| Len-1204 | Chuck has a learning curve,but installs and runs as best I can tell. | 05:17 |
| Len-1204 | Mixxx looks good. I can get sound out of it. Too big for my tiny screen though, actually manages to stop PA. Probably any reasonable laptop would be fine, but a desktop would be better. (soundcard wise too) | 05:26 |
| Len-1204 | rivendell? I can't find it. | 05:28 |
| Len-1204 | IJDC? can't find that either | 05:29 |
| TheMuso | idjc | 05:34 |
| TheMuso | idjc is in precise. | 05:34 |
| Len-1204 | I just found it. I'm not sure if its on the workflows page wrong or I copied it wrong. | 05:46 |
| Len-1204 | darkice installs ok as does darksnow. I dont have a server to try it with though. darksnow is a gui for darkice. | 05:48 |
| Len-1204 | darksnow coredumbed when I exited. | 05:49 |
| Len-1204 | is it worth having dark ice without icecast? | 05:49 |
| Len-1204 | icecast is small, but requires questions to be answered while installing. ubiquity wouldn't handle that. | 05:52 |
| Len-1204 | Also, the install of icecast starts the icecast server... in foreground... | 05:57 |
| Len-1204 | idjc looks good. Talks to jack etc. I would need a running icecast server to try it out well :-) | 06:04 |
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